NFL 2011 Thread

[Crazy Levi]

He's the number 3 guy and his wife is incredibly hot.

Cue Lickety to tell the story about how he knows that the marriage is arranged and other bullshit.

This is a story I want to read. Lickety?

[Machado]

More reports today out of Indy that discuss just how impossible the
Colts will have enough money to pay both Manning and A. Luck in 2012
and beyond.
The cap hit the Colts would take if Manning was to play next year is
around 19 million.
That is a lot of $$ for a 36 yr old QB, coming off a serious neck injury.
Face the facts: From a financial standpoint, the Colts are better off spending that amount of money somewhere else and letting the rookie QB with all the hype take his lumps on the field.

Gone are the days when a #1 QB pick sits the bench for several years
before getting an opportunity.

[WTF]

A guy called in and said, "Is Garcia's wife gonna be there?"

[bane]

More reports today out of Indy that discuss just how impossible the
Colts will have enough money to pay both Manning and A. Luck in 2012
and beyond.
The cap hit the Colts would take if Manning was to play next year is
around 19 million.
That is a lot of $$ for a 36 yr old QB, coming off a serious neck injury.
Face the facts: From a financial standpoint, the Colts are better off spending that amount of money somewhere else and letting the rookie QB with all the hype take his lumps on the field.

Gone are the days when a #1 QB pick sits the bench for several years
before getting an opportunity.

The Colts would have enough money to sign Luck and keep Manning because of the rookie cap. Based on last year, Luck is probably looking at 4 yrs at around 25 million. All of it guaranteed. For the sake of argument call his cap hit 6 mil per year. Manning's is 19. That's still a shit ton of money locked up in the QB position, and they won't be able to keep their free agents like Mathis, Garçon and Wayne, but they could still do it. You'd have Manning starting for a shitty team with 6 million dollars sitting on the bench though. It wouldn't be the smartest move, but even if they keep Manning and trade down, they're still looking at roughly the same cap problem. Von Miller got almost the same money as Cam Newton. The difference would be tying that money up in a player that helps them now while they're shelling out 20% of their cap to their QB. Looking at the numbers, the Colts are going to have a very different roster next year no matter what.

[WTF]

The Colts would have enough money to sign Luck and keep Manning because of the rookie cap. Based on last year, Luck is probably looking at 4 yrs at around 25 million. All of it guaranteed. For the sake of argument call his cap hit 6 mil per year. Manning's is 19. That's still a shit ton of money locked up in the QB position, and they won't be able to keep their free agents like Mathis, Garçon and Wayne, but they could still do it. You'd have Manning starting for a shitty team with 6 million dollars sitting on the bench though. It wouldn't be the smartest move, but even if they keep Manning and trade down, they're still looking at roughly the same cap problem. Von Miller got almost the same money as Cam Newton. The difference would be tying that money up in a player that helps them now while they're shelling out 20% of their cap to their QB. Looking at the numbers, the Colts are going to have a very different roster next year no matter what.

And they'll be back in the Super Bowl!

[bane]

The Colts would have enough money to sign Luck and keep Manning because of the rookie cap. Based on last year, Luck is probably looking at 4 yrs at around 25 million. All of it guaranteed. For the sake of argument call his cap hit 6 mil per year. Manning's is 19. That's still a shit ton of money locked up in the QB position, and they won't be able to keep their free agents like Mathis, Garçon and Wayne, but they could still do it. You'd have Manning starting for a shitty team with 6 million dollars sitting on the bench though. It wouldn't be the smartest move, but even if they keep Manning and trade down, they're still looking at roughly the same cap problem. Von Miller got almost the same money as Cam Newton. The difference would be tying that money up in a player that helps them now while they're shelling out 20% of their cap to their QB. Looking at the numbers, the Colts are going to have a very different roster next year no matter what.

And they'll be back in the Super Bowl!

Manning IS the Colts. This year has illustrated that. They're at a crossroads. I think they're either in full blown rebuild mode with an unknown commodity at QB or they're trying to patch something together for one more run with the old guy with health questions. It doesn't look all that promising either way. As a Texans fan, I'm giddy.

[johnk5150]

Manning IS the Colts. This year has illustrated that. They're at a crossroads. I think they're either in full blown rebuild mode with an unknown commodity at QB or they're trying to patch something together for one more run with the old guy with health questions. It doesn't look all that promising either way. As a Texans fan, I'm giddy.

He may very well be the most valuable player on any team ever that I can think of based on this season.

[Machado]

Manning IS the Colts. This year has illustrated that. They're at a crossroads. I think they're either in full blown rebuild mode with an unknown commodity at QB or they're trying to patch something together for one more run with the old guy with health questions. It doesn't look all that promising either way. As a Texans fan, I'm giddy.

He may very well be the most valuable player on any team ever that I can think of based on this season.

Manning has to go.
The new era in that town begins next season when the team drafts Luck.

[LAglamrocker]

hope Manning goes to the Chiefs, Orton seems to hurt his finger!

then Tebow can run all over Chiefs defence and beat Manning twice a year

[Machado]

hope Mannig goes to the Chiefs, Orton seems to hurt his finger!

then Tebow can run all over Chiefs defence and beat Manning twice a year

In Indy, the motto next season should be, "out with the old, in with the new".
Manning would be making so much money, how could the Colts afford to
pay that man for another season when he is coming off a serious neck injury.
Common sense says the Colts could spend that money on players who can help the team and be a much lower risk.

[bane]

hope Mannig goes to the Chiefs, Orton seems to hurt his finger!

then Tebow can run all over Chiefs defence and beat Manning twice a year

In Indy, the motto next season should be, "out with the old, in with the new".
Manning would be making so much money, how could the Colts afford to
pay that man for another season when he is coming off a serious neck injury.
Common sense says the Colts could spend that money on players who can help the team and be a much lower risk.

How are unknown commodoties a lower risk? Luck could turn out to be Ryan Leaf for all we know. If Manning can play, it's well established what he's capable of.

[Crazy Levi]

I just don't see it (Luck and Manning on the same roster). If Manning does come back, he isn't going to make any promises about when he'll retire, and he could easily stay in the league another three or four years like Farve, Marino, Montana, Elway etc. There's no fucking way Andrew Luck is joining a team to sit on the bench for possibly his entire rookie contract.

Not to mention the money they'd have tied up in the QB position while trying to piece together a team for a "last hurrah" run with Manning.

They are going to cut him, or trade him before his new contract comes into effect (if they can).

[Machado]

hope Mannig goes to the Chiefs, Orton seems to hurt his finger!

then Tebow can run all over Chiefs defence and beat Manning twice a year

In Indy, the motto next season should be, "out with the old, in with the new".
Manning would be making so much money, how could the Colts afford to
pay that man for another season when he is coming off a serious neck injury.
Common sense says the Colts could spend that money on players who can help the team and be a much lower risk.

How are unknown commodoties a lower risk? Luck could turn out to be Ryan Leaf for all we know. If Manning can play, it's well established what he's capable of.

To each their own.
I say Luck is the lower risk and you disagree. No problem.
Who's to say Manning can return to being an all-pro again?
Who can predict how many more years Manning feels entitled to remain a Colt?
Also, with the #1 pick in the draft, how can the Colts pass on Luck?

[Crazy Levi]

Also, with the #1 pick in the draft, how can the Colts pass on Luck?

The Colts could easily accept some kind of kickass trade deal (a few #1s or somet shit) for that #1 pick to some team desperate and stupid enough to do it (yes, we all know I'm thinking the Washington Redskins).

I could see the Colts trading. If Manning is coming back, they certainly could have another 2 or 3 year window in which to win another Super Bowl and it might make sense to give it a shot. As others have said, Luck could be a bust, it happens a ll the time, and Manning is one of the best QBs to ever play.

[SkyDog112046]

The solution for the Colts is to use the out clause in Manning's contract and either bring him back for less money or part ways with him. I don't see how even a healthy Manning makes them competitive next year with all the free agents they need to sign and all the holes in their lineups.

It's a bad strategy tying up 20% of a teams salary cap in one position. And it simply doesn't make sense to bring Manning back knowing they are looking at a rebuild. If they decide to hold their pick and take Luck then they are looking at bringing in a lower priced veteran for a year or so who can play in the style of an offense that is being geared up Luck while they rebuild around him. I think Colts fans are most likely looking at another couple of lousy seasons while they overhaul the roster.

[bane]

Also, with the #1 pick in the draft, how can the Colts pass on Luck?

I don't know that they will. They could. If they think Manning is good to go for another 3 or 4 years, they can probably get substantial value for the Luck pick. This year, unlike a lot of years past, teams will be willing to trade up. They could go get highly touted players to replace Mathis, Wayne and Saturday for example. It's hard to say with that team. Without Manning, they've got to start EVERYTHING from scratch including their scheme. Their entire system is built around that guy. Luck very well may be a fantastic QB, but I highly doubt he's a Peyton Manning.

[WTF]

He may very well be the most valuable player on any team ever that I can think of based on this season.

I think he should win the MVP award this year. It is blatantly obvious that he is the MVP in the league.

I do like the guy and found this comment from him to be hilarious, regarding Ole Miss wanting him to be head coach:

"I've gotten about 20 or 25 e-mails from people in that regard," said the elder Manning, who was in town Monday night to speak to the Touchdown Club of Memphis. "I passed that on to Peyton. He said, 'Just tell them that I'm 0-10 as an assistant for Indianapolis.'"

[bane]

I just don't see it (Luck and Manning on the same roster). If Manning does come back, he isn't going to make any promises about when he'll retire, and he could easily stay in the league another three or four years like Farve, Marino, Montana, Elway etc. There's no fucking way Andrew Luck is joining a team to sit on the bench for possibly his entire rookie contract.

Not to mention the money they'd have tied up in the QB position while trying to piece together a team for a "last hurrah" run with Manning.

They are going to cut him, or trade him before his new contract comes into effect (if they can).

I don't think it's possible for them to have the "last hurrah" with Manning if they take Luck, unless he's willing to flush that contract or something. They just won't have the cap room to fill the rest of the holes. That said, Manning has managed to send an awful lot of pretty average players to Hawaii over the years.

[SkyDog112046]

I don't think it's possible for them to have the "last hurrah" with Manning if they take Luck, unless he's willing to flush that contract or something. They just won't have the cap room to fill the rest of the holes. That said, Manning has managed to send an awful lot of pretty average players to Hawaii over the years.

Indy has an out clause they can use. Manning's value will be low coming off multiple surgeries. They can probably get him relatively cheap, maybe for half of what they would have paid him. Then it might make sense to bring him back.

[Machado]

I don't think it's possible for them to have the "last hurrah" with Manning if they take Luck, unless he's willing to flush that contract or something. They just won't have the cap room to fill the rest of the holes. That said, Manning has managed to send an awful lot of pretty average players to Hawaii over the years.

Indy has an out clause they can use. Manning's value will be low coming off multiple surgeries. They can probably get him relatively cheap, maybe for half of what they would have paid him. Then it might make sense to bring him back.

That is one option.

The flip side is having someone like Luck, the #1 pick breathing down your neck on a daily basis.
Not to mention the media hounding both of those players and the Colts coaches regarding who deserves to be the #1 QB.
Highly unlikely that Manning can return to Pro Bowl level at his age and the nature of his latest injury.

[Crazy Levi]

I don't think it's possible for them to have the "last hurrah" with Manning if they take Luck, unless he's willing to flush that contract or something. They just won't have the cap room to fill the rest of the holes. That said, Manning has managed to send an awful lot of pretty average players to Hawaii over the years.

Indy has an out clause they can use. Manning's value will be low coming off multiple surgeries. They can probably get him relatively cheap, maybe for half of what they would have paid him. Then it might make sense to bring him back.

At some point there's pride. A guy like Manning isn't going to take too kindly to the whole "we are cutting you and signing you cheap" gambit.

He would certainly entertain and accept an offer from a different team if they cut him.

[Machado]

I don't think it's possible for them to have the "last hurrah" with Manning if they take Luck, unless he's willing to flush that contract or something. They just won't have the cap room to fill the rest of the holes. That said, Manning has managed to send an awful lot of pretty average players to Hawaii over the years.

Indy has an out clause they can use. Manning's value will be low coming off multiple surgeries. They can probably get him relatively cheap, maybe for half of what they would have paid him. Then it might make sense to bring him back.

At some point there's pride. A guy like Manning isn't going to take too kindly to the whole "we are cutting you and signing you cheap" gambit.

He would certainly entertain and accept an offer from a different team if they cut him.

The Redskins might be interested.
Houston and Tennessee could also show some interest in a former all pro QB.

[bane]

I don't think it's possible for them to have the "last hurrah" with Manning if they take Luck, unless he's willing to flush that contract or something. They just won't have the cap room to fill the rest of the holes. That said, Manning has managed to send an awful lot of pretty average players to Hawaii over the years.

Indy has an out clause they can use. Manning's value will be low coming off multiple surgeries. They can probably get him relatively cheap, maybe for half of what they would have paid him. Then it might make sense to bring him back.

Half of what they would have paid him plus Luck's salary is still around 20 Million. Does that leave them room for the rest of their free agents? It really doesn't make much sense to keep him if they have to go young.

[SkyDog112046]

At some point there's pride. A guy like Manning isn't going to take too kindly to the whole "we are cutting you and signing you cheap" gambit.

He would certainly entertain and accept an offer from a different team if they cut him.

I would tend to think that way too except Manning is the one who agreed to the clause in order to get the big contract when he was clearly injured.

I could see him in DC. Leading the Skins to 4-0 and then having his arm fall off the next game.

[bane]

The Redskins might be interested.
Houston and Tennessee could also show some interest in a former all pro QB.

The Redskins would definitely be interested. That's probably the best chance, but off the top of my head, I could see Miami, Jacksonville, Seattle and Tenn having some interest too. The Texans won't be in the market for a starting QB next year.

[Crazy Levi]

The Redskins might be interested.
Houston and Tennessee could also show some interest in a former all pro QB.

The Redskins would definitely be interested. That's probably the best chance, but off the top of my head, I could see Miami, Jacksonville, Seattle and Tenn having some interest too. The Texans won't be in the market for a starting QB next year.

It makes absolutely no sense for the Redskins to bring in Peyton Manning, as the team is STILL lacking talent in many key positions (including line and WR) and are not in position to contend even with Manning.

That being said, yeah, it's probably a lock. It'll sell lots of jersies!

[WTF]

The level of honest discussion about the Colts when PeePee isn't involved is staggering.

[Machado]

The level of honest discussion about the Colts when PeePee isn't involved is staggering.

Soon enough Jr. will arrive and call all of us a liar!

He just has to finish his homework before he's allowed to turn on
his computer.

[Tommy]

Peyton in the NFC East? That's gonna hurt.

[bane]

Peyton in the NFC East? That's gonna hurt.

The Manning on Manning bowl twice a year? Yowza. I've been thinking about it a bit, and you have to take Manning's motivation into account. What's his priority? Money? Another ring? Loyalty? I'd guess another ring and getting as much dough in the bank as he can in the short time he's got left would both be the primary factors. With that in mind, I think Jacksonville might make a lot of sense. That team is a lot closer than people think. Great defense. Great running back. Both of their lines are pretty solid. They'll be picking high enough to get a really great reciever if they want and they have a new owner who may want to make a splash. A guy like Manning could really make a difference there. That and he'd get to stick it to Polian twice a year. Thoughts?