NFL 2011 Thread

[bane]

Well I was talking about what happens to the QB more than what happens to the team afterward. I'm aware SF had a little more luxury.

I would like to see Manning on another team though.

Montana didn't exactly suck that first year in KC. Manning could do much the same, if not better. If they take Luck, I think that's exactly what we're going to see happen.

[Machado]

The rumor mongerers are in full swing speculating where Peyton will play next year. Why? Because that's what they do. They thrive on drama, even when there isn't any. The funny thing is not a single indication has come from the Colts or Peyton that he would not be on the team next year. Not even an "unnamed source" has given ANY indication of that happening. Therefore, what you have is blind speculation and rumor mongering from outside people who have no CLUE as to what the organization is thinking. Heck, the Colts have never even said anything that would indicate they're interested in Luck. Not one word. I just want to make 100% clear that anything you hear about Peyton not playing for the Colts next year is100% made up. FACT.

I seem to recall you went on and on about how Manning would be ready/healthy to start game 1 this season

Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay told local reporters Thursday that he doesn't believe Peyton Manning will play in a game before the end of the regular season.

When asked if there was any hope that Manning would return this season, Irsay said, "I really don't see that."

"I think with the timeframe we have left, I think it's something where it will go into the offseason," Irsay told reporters.

[Crazy Levi]

The rumor mongerers are in full swing speculating where Peyton will play next year. Why? Because that's what they do. They thrive on drama, even when there isn't any. The funny thing is not a single indication has come from the Colts or Peyton that he would not be on the team next year. Not even an "unnamed source" has given ANY indication of that happening. Therefore, what you have is blind speculation and rumor mongering from outside people who have no CLUE as to what the organization is thinking. Heck, the Colts have never even said anything that would indicate they're interested in Luck. Not one word. I just want to make 100% clear that anything you hear about Peyton not playing for the Colts next year is100% made up. FACT.

I seem to recall you went on and on about how Manning would be ready/healthy to start game 1 this season

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This may shock you, but P13 has been wrong with virtually every football-related prediction he's made here over the last two years. Please consult the MARK MY WORDS thread for more enjoyable tidbits, such as Kerry Collins stepping right in to continue the Colt's AFC dominance.

[NeverSurrender]

I'm as surprised as anyone that the Manning era in Indy is ending like this, but hey, that's what keeps it interesting!

I don't really see it any different than what happened to Montana. Got wrecked with an injury, eventually traded, little fanfare.

The difference between Manning and Montana is that Montana's successor was already waiting in the wings. Steve Young had been there for a couple years already, and everyone knew he was going to take over eventually. So, when Joe went down, Steve stepped up.

In Indy, the successor isn't there yet, so Indy doesn't have the luxury of waiting another year to see if they want to cut ties with Manning.

It's a different situation.

And a different time. Most teams won't pay two guys who make that much money when one won't ever be playing while the other one is.

But we use logic, while P13 is like a woman, and cares nothing about that.

[bane]

Heck, the Colts have never even said anything that would indicate they're interested in Luck. Not one word.

Wrong. Colts owner, Mr. Jim Irsay:

"Guys like that come along so rarely," Irsay said of Luck, considered by many a can't-miss NFL quarterback. "Even if that means that guy sits for three or four years, you'd certainly think about taking him.


"You see what Green Bay did with Favre and Rodgers and you'd like to be able to do the same thing."


So obviously, you are wrong. Jim Irsay is already saying they would consider taking luck and having him sit 3-4 years. It worked well with Rodgers and Favre. They were never the best of friends, but ultimately Rodgers did learn from Favre. Rodgers was not a #1 pick, but he was one of the top ranked QBs in the draft. Obviously I don't know how luck would feel about it, but I would think being drafted by one of the best organizations in the league and learning from the best of all time for a few years would be better than going to a shit team where it's gonna be 3-4 years until you have a decent team anyway.

Idiot.

[Tymaster]

The 49ers situation is from a different time and a different era. If you recall, the 49ers had a third stringer in Steve Bono that was better than most other teams starters! The 49ers were built to win the SB no matter who went down. In this day and age teams don't even have to keep a 3rd QB on the roster. Which of course leads to teams scrambling at this time of the year getting guys out of the trash heap.

[HMJ]

The 49ers situation is from a different time and a different era. If you recall, the 49ers had a third stringer in Steve Bono that was better than most other teams starters! The 49ers were built to win the SB no matter who went down. In this day and age teams don't even have to keep a 3rd QB on the roster. Which of course leads to teams scrambling at this time of the year getting guys out of the trash heap.

I remember in the mid 90s it was almost routine to see the 3rd stringer out there. Jason Garret was leading the Cowboys when Aikman and Peet were out. Mike Tomcyck (sp?) saw a lot of field time when O'Donnell and Stewart were out.

[Tymaster]

The 49ers situation is from a different time and a different era. If you recall, the 49ers had a third stringer in Steve Bono that was better than most other teams starters! The 49ers were built to win the SB no matter who went down. In this day and age teams don't even have to keep a 3rd QB on the roster. Which of course leads to teams scrambling at this time of the year getting guys out of the trash heap.

I remember in the mid 90s it was almost routine to see the 3rd stringer out there. Jason Garret was leading the Cowboys when Aikman and Peet were out. Mike Tomcyck (sp?) saw a lot of field time when O'Donnell and Stewart were out.

Yup. Same can be said for the 1980's. I remember the Browns going to the playoffs with Don Strock in 1988. Pittsburgh is one team that still "gets it."

[bane]

The 49ers situation is from a different time and a different era. If you recall, the 49ers had a third stringer in Steve Bono that was better than most other teams starters! The 49ers were built to win the SB no matter who went down. In this day and age teams don't even have to keep a 3rd QB on the roster. Which of course leads to teams scrambling at this time of the year getting guys out of the trash heap.

I remember in the mid 90s it was almost routine to see the 3rd stringer out there. Jason Garret was leading the Cowboys when Aikman and Peet were out. Mike Tomcyck (sp?) saw a lot of field time when O'Donnell and Stewart were out.

Ahem TJ Yates Ahem

[Tymaster]

The 49ers situation is from a different time and a different era. If you recall, the 49ers had a third stringer in Steve Bono that was better than most other teams starters! The 49ers were built to win the SB no matter who went down. In this day and age teams don't even have to keep a 3rd QB on the roster. Which of course leads to teams scrambling at this time of the year getting guys out of the trash heap.

I remember in the mid 90s it was almost routine to see the 3rd stringer out there. Jason Garret was leading the Cowboys when Aikman and Peet were out. Mike Tomcyck (sp?) saw a lot of field time when O'Donnell and Stewart were out.

Ahem TJ Yates Ahem

Kudos to the Texans for being one of the few teams smart enough to carry 3 QB's on their roster. I also applaud bringing in two cagey old vets that bring Super Bowl and Pro Bowl experience behind him. I think a teams back ups should consist of the following: one QB younger than the starter learning but ready and full of potential as well as a older fella who brings wisdom of the QB position that no coach could have and is ready to play if he has to. Almost like a player/coach. Rodney Peete, Vinny Testaverde, Ron Jaworski, Warren Moon...these guys defined that kind of back up in the twilight of their careers.

[poizond13]

Since everyone is offering their predictions, here's what I think will happen in the 2012 NFL Season:

- Favre will be the starting qb for the Bears, with Jay Cutler being released and signing with the Jaguars.
- Tom Brady will be traded to the Raiders.
- The Texans will trade up to draft Andrew Luck. They will give the Colts six first round picks in return.
- The Titans will move back to Houston and become the Oilers again.
- The Ravens will move to Birmingham, AL because Baltimore is a horrible NFL Market.
- Adrian Peterson will hold out and demand a trade to the Colts, so he can be on a title contending team.
- Jeff George will return and lead the Lions to the Super Bowl.
- Steve Young will win MVP.

I'm quite certain all of this will happen next year. No, I don't have any facts or inside knowledge to back that up. Much like everyone else in this thread who knows what's gonna happen next year, I'm just going with my gut. That seems to be the cool thing to do around here nowadays. Facts are overrated.

[poizond13]

And a different time. Most teams won't pay two guys who make that much money when one won't ever be playing while the other one is.

But we use logic, while P13 is like a woman, and cares nothing about that.

You're right, people like Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Mike Florio, and Adam Schefter are all wrong for saying that the Colts could keep Peyton and draft Andrew Luck as well. Never mind the fact that they've been NFL analysts/insiders for years and do this for a living. They don't have any logic, and you'd have to be an asshole to believe them. People should listen to you instead, a moron on a music message board who doesn't even know what a rookie salary cap is. Yeah, logic indeed.

[cantstopthemusic]

No, I don't have any facts

This has been common knowledge for YEARS, Greg.

[NeverSurrender]

Yeah I don't anything about sports or salary caps.

The year the Lions went winless Mort picked them for the super bowl.


They only say that shit because they want to talk about the drama. If you think Peyton "I can't have a real backup" Manning is going to tutor a guy, you're fucking nutz. Even Archie said they don't want to play together. Weird how you ignore that and listen to the blowhards at ESPN.

But wait, you've never been wrong before.

[SkyDog112046]

And a different time. Most teams won't pay two guys who make that much money when one won't ever be playing while the other one is.

But we use logic, while P13 is like a woman, and cares nothing about that.

You're right, people like Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Mike Florio, and Adam Schefter are all wrong for saying that the Colts could keep Peyton and draft Andrew Luck as well. Never mind the fact that they've been NFL analysts/insiders for years and do this for a living. They don't have any logic, and you'd have to be an asshole to believe them. People should listen to you instead, a moron on a music message board who doesn't even know what a rookie salary cap is. Yeah, logic indeed.

You truly are a moron.

Indy COULD keep Manning on his current contract and draft Luck. But then they'd have 20% of their salary cap tied up in 2 guys who play the same position and can't be on the field at the same time. Then they couldn't re-sign their free agents, they couldn't replace guys they've lost, and they couldn't add any depth.

That doesn't even begin to get into the personnel aspects of how Manning and Luck would have difficulty coexisting for more than a season or so. Manning's history says that he will not allow his successor to be groomed under his watch. And QB issues have a tendency to tear apart teams. What happens if they trade the pick and move down to address other needs and Manning doesn't regain his arm strength and/or accuracy? It's not like they have a great running game to take the pressure off an aging QB either. Remember what he was like in 2010 when his passes were just slightly off target? Austin Collie would be brain dead by Week 3. There are just too many questions to justify paying Manning big money and drafting Luck.

If they do decide to bring Manning back they would likely cut him and re-sign him for less money plus incentives. Figure if he comes back it's for closer to $10M than the $19M he is currently due. $10M in cap space may not sound like much but it allows a team to bring in 2-3 quality players, and from what I've seen they need all the help they can get on defense and their O-line.

True fans welcome an honest discussion of their team. Bandwagon fans just want everyone waving pom poms.

[bane]

You're right, people like Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Mike Florio, and Adam Schefter are all wrong for saying that the Colts could keep Peyton and draft Andrew Luck as well. Never mind the fact that they've been NFL analysts/insiders for years and do this for a living. They don't have any logic, and you'd have to be an asshole to believe them. People should listen to you instead, a moron on a music message board who doesn't even know what a rookie salary cap is. Yeah, logic indeed.

Yesterday I heard Mike Florio say that he thinks Manning will be wearing another uniform next season. He's speculating just like anybody else is, but you may want to check your source's actual opinions before you use them to try and back your argument.

[poizond13]

You truly are a moron.

Indy COULD keep Manning on his current contract and draft Luck. But then they'd have 20% of their salary cap tied up in 2 guys who play the same position and can't be on the field at the same time. Then they couldn't re-sign their free agents, they couldn't replace guys they've lost, and they couldn't add any depth.

That doesn't even begin to get into the personnel aspects of how Manning and Luck would have difficulty coexisting for more than a season or so. Manning's history says that he will not allow his successor to be groomed under his watch. And QB issues have a tendency to tear apart teams. What happens if they trade the pick and move down to address other needs and Manning doesn't regain his arm strength and/or accuracy? It's not like they have a great running game to take the pressure off an aging QB either. Remember what he was like in 2010 when his passes were just slightly off target? Austin Collie would be brain dead by Week 3. There are just too many questions to justify paying Manning big money and drafting Luck.

If they do decide to bring Manning back they would likely cut him and re-sign him for less money plus incentives. Figure if he comes back it's for closer to $10M than the $19M he is currently due. $10M in cap space may not sound like much but it allows a team to bring in 2-3 quality players, and from what I've seen they need all the help they can get on defense and their O-line.

True fans welcome an honest discussion of their team. Bandwagon fans just want everyone waving pom poms.

Spoken like a true Pats troll. You run your mouth like you know a lot, but in reality you know nothing.

I never said the Colts WILL absolutely draft Luck. Not a single person on this board even knows that Luck is worthy of the #1 pick. The draft process has not even begun. Too early to say if Luck is all he's cracked up to be. I just know that if Peyton returns next year, he will be in a Colts uniform. The organization has made that clear. I also said that IF the team wants to draft Luck and keep Peyton, that is a very feasible option, one that the team would consider. Way too many elements go into that decision that haven't even been settled yet to say that it would certainly happen. How is Peyton's health? Can he throw the ball with velocity? How does Luck grade out through the draft process? How would Luck feel about sitting behind Peyton for an uncertain duration? None of these questions have been answered yet. So for anyone to sit here and say they know what the Colts are going to do, one way or the other, they are full of shit. Plain and simple. I simply have said numerous times, keeping Peyton and drafting Luck is a viable option for the team. Most people with any football knowledge would agree with me.

Money wise, keeping Luck and Manning would not hinder us that much. Luck's salary would likely only be in the $8 million dollar range. Yeah, it would keep us from spending much money in free agency, but we have never been big on free agent spending anyway. That's not how we believe in building our football team. We do it through the draft and retaining our own players.

There are an abundance of options at hand and who knows how it will play out. My preference might be, if Peyton is fully healthy, to maximize the leverage of the first pick by trading it for maximum value, and building a team around Peyton to win 1-2 more titles during his career. Peyton certainly deserves that much. If Luck truly grades out through the draft process to be the QB that everyone thinks he is, maybe we take him and let him sit behind Peyton for one year and then see what happens. There are a number of options. At this point it's too early to accurately speculate how it will play out.

And yeah, you're right, a true fan does welcome an honest discussion on his team. Unfortunately, what you're partaking in is not an honest discussion, it's false rumor mongering and uninformed speculation.

[Crazy Levi]

I don't understand the joy you get out of complete, unabashed, and brain dead nutswingery that you engage in with the worst band in history (Poison) and the worst football team in history (the soon to be 0-16 Colts).

Even if those things WEREN'T terrible, I just don't see the charm in it. What's fun about something you ALWAYS feel the same way about, and aren't willing to discuss honestly or with a sense of humor?

I don't think you are truly happy, deep inside.

[poizond13]

You're right, people like Chris Mortensen, Peter King, Mike Florio, and Adam Schefter are all wrong for saying that the Colts could keep Peyton and draft Andrew Luck as well. Never mind the fact that they've been NFL analysts/insiders for years and do this for a living. They don't have any logic, and you'd have to be an asshole to believe them. People should listen to you instead, a moron on a music message board who doesn't even know what a rookie salary cap is. Yeah, logic indeed.

Yesterday I heard Mike Florio say that he thinks Manning will be wearing another uniform next season. He's speculating just like anybody else is, but you may want to check your source's actual opinions before you use them to try and back your argument.

Florio is also another rumor mongerer. I only listed him because a few weeks ago he did state that there's no reason why the Colts could not draft Luck and keep Manning. He was stating a fact. As far as the rumor mongering and other speculation that occurs on his site, I have no interest in it.

[poizond13]

I don't understand the joy you get out of complete, unabashed, and brain dead nutswingery that you engage in with the worst band in history (Poison) and the worst football team in history (the soon to be 0-16 Colts).

Even if those things WEREN'T terrible, I just don't see the charm in it. What's fun about something you ALWAYS feel the same way about, and aren't willing to discuss honestly or with a sense of humor?

I don't think you are truly happy, deep inside.

No surprise that a bandwagon fan like yourself wouldn't understand being a real fan of a team. Unlike you, I'm not that quick to throw my team under the bus. Certainly not when they've won a Super Bowl recently and amassed more wins in one decade than any other team, ever. Someone like you might move on the next bandwagon after one bad season. Sorry, but that's not how I roll.

[Crazy Levi]

What the fuck is wrong with Rodney Harrison?

That was a great play by McCoy but I wonder if he's coming back from that hit.

[NeverSurrender]

It's James Harrison.

And he's either the dirtiest fucker ever, or he just simply has no clue how to tackle.

[bane]

It's James Harrison.

And he's either the dirtiest fucker ever, or he just simply has no clue how to tackle.

He could have easily pulled up on that hit. Mr "I'm not going to change the way I play" is going to have a lighter wallet, and yeah, he's dirty as hell.

[Crazy Levi]

Ha yeah...James Harrison...

That was as blatant a helmet to helmet as you'll see, and when the flag was thrown he did the "WHAT?! ME?!" routine.

He's going to kill someone if he keeps this shit up.

[NeverSurrender]

I say this is a suspension. They have to or they're full of shit about concussions.

[Space Bear]

I don't understand the joy you get out of complete, unabashed, and brain dead nutswingery that you engage in with the worst band in history (Poison) and the worst football team in history (the soon to be 0-16 Colts).

Even if those things WEREN'T terrible, I just don't see the charm in it. What's fun about something you ALWAYS feel the same way about, and aren't willing to discuss honestly or with a sense of humor?

I don't think you are truly happy, deep inside.

No surprise that a bandwagon fan like yourself wouldn't understand being a real fan of a team. Unlike you, I'm not that quick to throw my team under the bus. Certainly not when they've won a Super Bowl recently and amassed more wins in one decade than any other team, ever. Someone like you might move on the next bandwagon after one bad season. Sorry, but that's not how I roll.

I've been a "real fan" of the Orlando Magic since the inaugural season in '89 - no bandwagoning here. When they are kicking ass, I'll say it. When they are sucking balls, I'll say it. Levi is 147% correct in calling you a brain dead nutswinger. And if you're so damn blindly devoted, why did you feel the need to include a qualifier about their recent successes? Sounds like somebody has a bag packed in the back of the wagon to be safe.

Oh, I just realized you probably have no idea what I meant. should have been when WE are kicking ass, I'll say it and when WE are sucking balls, I'll say it. There you go, now I sUpErFANNN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Space Bear]

I know this belongs in (or is already posted in) the other thread, but since it was from back on page five here, why the hell not:

Those who are underrating us don't know what they're talking about. We might start out slow, but at the end of the year we'll be a ten win team, minimum. Mark my words. I still believe that the Colts are Super Bowl bound and we will win it all in our own stadium.

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  4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
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  8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.
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  10. Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.

[WTF]

I never said the Colts WILL absolutely draft Luck. Not a single person on this board even knows that Luck is worthy of the #1 pick. The draft process has not even begun.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. The draft process starts way before the season ends, dipshit! You probably do think that teams start figuring out who they want to take right on draft day.

[WTF]

BREAKING NEWS! Peyton videotaped working out with Eli!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCpNVQEn6rY

[AliceManson]

Ha yeah...James Harrison...

That was as blatant a helmet to helmet as you'll see, and when the flag was thrown he did the "WHAT?! ME?!" routine.

He's going to kill someone if he keeps this shit up.

If you listen to the fans, Goodell is just out to get the Steelers and Harrison. Harrison isn't dirty. Typical bullshit from delusional yinzer retards.