Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[killeverything]

Seems like an awful lot of money for Philly to spend on Polanco. He's a nice hitter, no power, good glove. They're paying him $6M a year and I don't think Chone Figgins is going to get much more than that, and he's a better player. Kind of a head scratcher. Plus his bat plays much better at 2B than 3B since the hot corner is a 'power' position. But I guess having Utley at second negates that to an extent.

I honestly thought they'd give a look at Garrett Atkins. They have a kid in the minors named Jason Donald who is listed as an SS but he will probably come up at 3B. Also not a power hitter but the guy is a hit machine who has a career .360 OBP.

I'm surprised about the Polanco signing myself. I was thinking Atkins too.

Stoked on the Scutaro signing.......actually I would still prefer AGonz. Actually I would fucking prefer OCab still.

The big rumor right now is Seattle signing Jason Bay. Bay is a North Westerner and is keen on the idea of playing there. It seems to go against the organizations philosophy of having a defense built team. Especially with Tom Tango having a say. At ussmariner.com they make some good points about $, and why the deal won't happen, but talk about a darkhorse.

[SkyDog112046]

Stoked on the Scutaro signing.......actually I would still prefer AGonz. Actually I would fucking prefer OCab still.

The big rumor right now is Seattle signing Jason Bay. Bay is a North Westerner and is keen on the idea of playing there. It seems to go against the organizations philosophy of having a defense built team. Especially with Tom Tango having a say. At ussmariner.com they make some good points about $, and why the deal won't happen, but talk about a darkhorse.

I am 100% against signing Scutaro. I don't know what Theo's fucking problem with Alex Gonzalez is, but SS is a defensive position and AGonz is 10 times the defensive player that Scutaro is. And Gonzales wouldn't have cost any compensation picks. This is going to be Rent-a-wreck/Lugo Part III. I'd rather have a 54 year old Ozzie Smith in there than Scutaro.

Bay will be back in Boston, simply because Boston needs him more than anyone else does at this point.

[Facedown]

Braves also sign Saito.

[JakeYonkel]

I figured Boston would grab Scutaro, but you're giving a 35 year old utility man coming off a career year a 2 year deal + team and player option for a 3rd year. That's a big commitment to a guy who's not great defensively.

I mean, worse comes to worse, he sucks a fat one and they've got a very expensive but useful utility guy.

I think the problem with Boston now is that they have nobody in their lineup that scares opposing teams. A few years ago Manny and Ortiz were killing everything. Now Manny's gone and Ortiz sucks. So while a signing like Adam Everett would have been prudent in say, 2005 or 2006, they need all the hitters they can get now.

[Facedown]

Brewers sign Greg Zaun for 1yr 2.15mil.
Mariners close to finalizing deal with Figgins.
Yankees want to reduce payroll for next season.

[JakeYonkel]

Yankees want to reduce payroll for next season.

If they can really get it under $200M I will be surprised.

i would love to see them operating around $180-185. It's not small but it's at least reasonable considering.

But think about the long-term dollars they have committed... this is purely off the top of my head but in 2013 alone they've got ~$32M to A-Rod, ~$23M to Teixeira, $23M to Sabathia, $17M to Burnett, and probably at least $18M to Derek Jeter. So you're talking 4 years from now and they're already got around $115M tied up in 5 players. That's nuts.

[killeverything]

Yankees want to reduce payroll for next season.

If they can really get it under $200M I will be surprised.

i would love to see them operating around $180-185. It's not small but it's at least reasonable considering.

But think about the long-term dollars they have committed... this is purely off the top of my head but in 2013 alone they've got ~$32M to A-Rod, ~$23M to Teixeira, $23M to Sabathia, $17M to Burnett, and probably at least $18M to Derek Jeter. So you're talking 4 years from now and they're already got around $115M tied up in 5 players. That's nuts.

Which is why everyone hates them.

I don't give a fuck about his attitude or whatever. I miss Manny.

[killeverything]

Stoked on the Scutaro signing.......actually I would still prefer AGonz. Actually I would fucking prefer OCab still.

The big rumor right now is Seattle signing Jason Bay. Bay is a North Westerner and is keen on the idea of playing there. It seems to go against the organizations philosophy of having a defense built team. Especially with Tom Tango having a say. At ussmariner.com they make some good points about $, and why the deal won't happen, but talk about a darkhorse.

I am 100% against signing Scutaro. I don't know what Theo's fucking problem with Alex Gonzalez is, but SS is a defensive position and AGonz is 10 times the defensive player that Scutaro is. And Gonzales wouldn't have cost any compensation picks. This is going to be Rent-a-wreck/Lugo Part III. I'd rather have a 54 year old Ozzie Smith in there than Scutaro.

Bay will be back in Boston, simply because Boston needs him more than anyone else does at this point.

Here's some food for thought about the Scutaro signing.

So he's old and coming off a career year. He isn't going to bat 2nd in the lineup. He's here to play solid defense and to make the bottom of the lineup less of a black hole. I believe the contract they signed him to reflects that. Not to mention that, coupled with Pedroia, the Sox have 2 of the hardest guys to strikeout in the majors. Between Youkilis (1st in pitches/plate appearance), Pedroia (30th), Drew (9th), Ortiz (7th), and now Scutaro (13th), and Victor Martinez for a full year (18th), pitchers are going to have to throw a lot of pitches to get through the lineup.

Just imagine if Manny was still batting clean up.

2010 is going to be a down year.

[johnk5150]

Dear Aaron Miles:

Get the fuck out. Fucking thief.

Sincerely,


Chicago

[JakeYonkel]

Really, Jim Hendry might be the worst GM this side of Ed Wade.

[SkyDog112046]

Here's some food for thought about the Scutaro signing.

So he's old and coming off a career year. He isn't going to bat 2nd in the lineup. He's here to play solid defense and to make the bottom of the lineup less of a black hole. I believe the contract they signed him to reflects that. Not to mention that, coupled with Pedroia, the Sox have 2 of the hardest guys to strikeout in the majors. Between Youkilis (1st in pitches/plate appearance), Pedroia (30th), Drew (9th), Ortiz (7th), and now Scutaro (13th), and Victor Martinez for a full year (18th), pitchers are going to have to throw a lot of pitches to get through the lineup.

Just imagine if Manny was still batting clean up.

2010 is going to be a down year.

I would rather have Gonzalez for 1 year at $2.75 than Scutaro for $12.5 over 2 years. 34 year old Shortstops not on juice don't have a very good track record.

Every time Theo goes for the OBP/tough at-bat angle at SS it blows up in his face. They won a WS with Gonzalez at Short, they won a WS with Cabrera at Short, and they won jack shit with Nomar, Rent-a-wreck, and Lugo in there. A vacuum at SS saves wear-and-tear on the pitching staff when they don't need to get 4 out innings and benefit from inning-ending double plays. Cabrera and Gonzo gave them that, the other guys didn't and Scutaro won't. If Scutaro was a guy who would hit 25+ HR then maybe they could justify giving up some defense but the fact is he will be lucky to hit more than 10 of them.

Last year's team wasn't good enough to win even a single playoff game, and swapping Gonzalez for Scutaro isn't going to change that at all. They better bring Bay back and do something about the 3# or #4 pitching spot or 2010 will be over before opening day. They seriously need to look at getting Halliday, even if it means giving up Kelley & Bard and eating Wells's contract.

[killeverything]

Here's some food for thought about the Scutaro signing.

So he's old and coming off a career year. He isn't going to bat 2nd in the lineup. He's here to play solid defense and to make the bottom of the lineup less of a black hole. I believe the contract they signed him to reflects that. Not to mention that, coupled with Pedroia, the Sox have 2 of the hardest guys to strikeout in the majors. Between Youkilis (1st in pitches/plate appearance), Pedroia (30th), Drew (9th), Ortiz (7th), and now Scutaro (13th), and Victor Martinez for a full year (18th), pitchers are going to have to throw a lot of pitches to get through the lineup.

Just imagine if Manny was still batting clean up.

2010 is going to be a down year.

I would rather have Gonzalez for 1 year at $2.75 than Scutaro for $12.5 over 2 years. 34 year old Shortstops not on juice don't have a very good track record.

Every time Theo goes for the OBP/tough at-bat angle at SS it blows up in his face. They won a WS with Gonzalez at Short, they won a WS with Cabrera at Short, and they won jack shit with Nomar, Rent-a-wreck, and Lugo in there. A vacuum at SS saves wear-and-tear on the pitching staff when they don't need to get 4 out innings and benefit from inning-ending double plays. Cabrera and Gonzo gave them that, the other guys didn't and Scutaro won't. If Scutaro was a guy who would hit 25+ HR then maybe they could justify giving up some defense but the fact is he will be lucky to hit more than 10 of them.

Last year's team wasn't good enough to win even a single playoff game, and swapping Gonzalez for Scutaro isn't going to change that at all. They better bring Bay back and do something about the 3# or #4 pitching spot or 2010 will be over before opening day. They seriously need to look at getting Halliday, even if it means giving up Kelley & Bard and eating Wells's contract.

Alex Gonzalez played SS for the Mighty Red Sox in 2006 and 2009. They won with Lugo at Short in 2007, well Manny, Papi, and phenomonal pitching.

I'm not certain of Theo's plans this year. All I know is the FA class isn't too appealing, and I'm not too fond of giving up Buchholz for anyone. I'd much rather wait it out and see if there is anyone to trade for ( Adrian Gonzalez ) without sacrificing the future.

2010 can have the highest ticket prices in baseball, because that's all they have. Unless King Felix manages to show up. It's about the future.

One bat, and if Daisuke comes into ST in shape. With Lester, Buchholz's maturation, Beckett on a shoulder program. It's possible to compete.

[Machado]

Yankees trade Bruney to the nats for a player to be named

[Machado]

The New York Yankees, Arizona Diamondbacks and Detroit Tigers are on the verge of the first major trade of baseball's winter meetings, a deal that would send Tigers outfielder Curtis Granderson to New York, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

In the trade, the Diamondbacks would obtain Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy, while the Tigers will pick up Max Scherzer, Phil Coke and outfield prospect Austin Jackson.

The deal would give the Yankees a starting center fielder. Starting outfielder Johnny Damon and designated hitter Hideki Matsui are both free agents.

In return, the Tigers would get a hard thrower in Scherzer and a well-regarded prospect in Austin Jackson, while the Diamondbacks get a pair of starting pitchers in Edwin Jackson and Kennedy.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

That's a great deal for the Yankees. I think Scherzer is going to get knocked around in the AL, though.

[killeverything]

I'm surprised they let Jackson go, although I think it's a great deal for the MFY. He was a centerpiece in a lot of trade talks this off-season.

[JakeYonkel]

I'm on the fence about it, honestly. Jackson is one of those guys that could blow up and be an absolute stud in 3 years and it'll be one for the list of "oh yeah, he was a Yankee prospect, wasn't he?"

Granderson is what he is, great defensively, decent arm, can't hit lefties. I think the .240 average was a bit fluky last year and he's more like a .270 hitter. He will produce like Damon did, I could see him hitting close to 40 homers playing half his games in Yankee Stadium.

But still, they gave up Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy (whatever), and Phil Coke for him. The argument is that who's better - the unproven commodity or the proven one? Granderson's game has weaknesses and we don't know what Jackson will become.

At least the money on Granderson is nice ($25M over 3 years left on the deal).

And this guarantees the Yankees are only taking back Matsui OR Damon, not both.

[Machado]

I'm on the fence about it, honestly. Jackson is one of those guys that could blow up and be an absolute stud in 3 years and it'll be one for the list of "oh yeah, he was a Yankee prospect, wasn't he?"

Granderson is what he is, great defensively, decent arm, can't hit lefties. I think the .240 average was a bit fluky last year and he's more like a .270 hitter. He will produce like Damon did, I could see him hitting close to 40 homers playing half his games in Yankee Stadium.

But still, they gave up Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy (whatever), and Phil Coke for him. The argument is that who's better - the unproven commodity or the proven one? Granderson's game has weaknesses and we don't know what Jackson will become.

At least the money on Granderson is nice ($25M over 3 years left on the deal).

And this guarantees the Yankees are only taking back Matsui OR Damon, not both.

jake-given the choice, I've always said the Yankees are better off having Damon over Matsui. I'm sorry, despite his MVP trophy,Matsui is now a full time DH. No chance he can play in the field.
Therefore Damon is the better choice between the 2.

As for this trade, I'm also on the fence.
Granderson's numbers vs lefties are poor. That leads me to wonder if he can be counted on to play 154+ games a year. I can't imagine the Yankees plan to platoon him w/Melky or someone else.

Letting go of Jackson-Well, the guy is a top prospect, but he is very unproven. He could be the next Strawberry or the next nobody.
Losing Coke and Kennedy stings because all off-season Cashman has been talking about pitching, pitching depth and more pitching.
I guess the Yankees are convinced Marte>Coke and that Kennedy is nowhere near as good as Joba or Hughes. I can agree with that.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

If the Yankees need pitching, they will go out and get it. Nobody is going to outbid them for someone they really want.

[Machado]

If the Yankees need pitching, they will go out and get it. Nobody is going to outbid them for someone they really want.

Reports are Cashman has met or will meet with reps for
jason marquis.

When it comes to the #1 prize Halladay, it's more about trading away players vs bidding

[killeverything]

With the restructuring the MFY need to do ( Traitor, Matsui ) it's a good deal for them. Of course if Austin Jackson becomes what's projected so far, it isn't a good deal.

He has power, I've seen it in AAA. I'm just surprised because really, the "prize" for any team is Roy Halladay. Losing Austin Jackson narrows your bargaining chips to aquire him this season via trade.

As I've stated before I'd hold onto Hughes the same way I'd hold onto Buchholz. The potential of him is a "once in a generation" type of guys. And Joba's "coming down to earth" fatass, isn't enough to get it done.

[SkyDog112046]

With the restructuring the MFY need to do ( Traitor, Matsui ) it's a good deal for them. Of course if Austin Jackson becomes what's projected so far, it isn't a good deal.

He has power, I've seen it in AAA. I'm just surprised because really, the "prize" for any team is Roy Halladay. Losing Austin Jackson narrows your bargaining chips to aquire him this season via trade.

As I've stated before I'd hold onto Hughes the same way I'd hold onto Buchholz. The potential of him is a "once in a generation" type of guys. And Joba's "coming down to earth" fatass, isn't enough to get it done.

Buchholz, Anderson and an AA prospect in exchange for Halladay and eating Wells' contract. Would you do it?

[JakeYonkel]

Apparently Toronto wasn't interested in Jackson anyway so he wouldn't really affect a potential deal for Halladay.

And Lickety, I'd have to think any team willing to absorb that retarded Wells contract could have Halladay for substantially less than what Toronto really wants. I think Boston could have Halladay & Wells for Buchholz and Ellsbury, no question.

[killeverything]

With the restructuring the MFY need to do ( Traitor, Matsui ) it's a good deal for them. Of course if Austin Jackson becomes what's projected so far, it isn't a good deal.

He has power, I've seen it in AAA. I'm just surprised because really, the "prize" for any team is Roy Halladay. Losing Austin Jackson narrows your bargaining chips to aquire him this season via trade.

As I've stated before I'd hold onto Hughes the same way I'd hold onto Buchholz. The potential of him is a "once in a generation" type of guys. And Joba's "coming down to earth" fatass, isn't enough to get it done.

Buchholz, Anderson and an AA prospect in exchange for Halladay and eating Wells' contract. Would you do it?

Shit no. I ain't parting with Buchholz.

Lars Anderson? Gone. Jacoby Ellsbury? I'll fucking pay for the move and his over-rated ass can go steal bases for another team.

The sticking point is Casey Kelly. The Mighty Red Sox won't include both him and Buchholz in any deal together. Here's the thing though. Buchholz shows the stuff to be a #2 in the AL East at the least, and he keeps improving. Casey Kelly has a lower ceiling than Buchholz, and he hasn't pitched past AA yet.

I don't get all the love personally. He could be good, but not another Lester or Pappelbon. Plus taking on Wells' contract push them over the Luxury Tax, for a 30+ year old pitcher who has thrown close to a 1,000IP. I would love to have Halladay, who wouldn't? Just not at that price.

Wonder what they can get for Ellsbury?



Seroiusly though. Halladay isn't going to be traded. The time they could've possibly maximized their value for him was last season at the trade deadline. The new GM can't trade him now for anyone less than Albert Pujols. It will alienate Toronto's last six fans. All the "problems" or whatever that is inherited can be blamed on "Moneyball" idiot Ricciardi.

So as salivating as having someone like Phillip Hughes or Clay Buchholz can be for the future. We'll all have to wait for next year when New York want's to lower payroll, yet signs him for 200+ million to see him in another uniform.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Grandy to the Yanks and Ross Gload to the phuckin Phils?! Fuckfuckfuck...!

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

Grandy to the Yanks and Ross Gload to the phuckin Phils?! Fuckfuckfuck...!

Gload is just a bench guy. I guess Matt Stairs is out of the picture now.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Grandy to the Yanks and Ross Gload to the phuckin Phils?! Fuckfuckfuck...!

Gload is just a bench guy. I guess Matt Stairs is out of the picture now.

The Gloadster has a pretty decent glove, and is a GREAT pinch hitter. Always came through with a clutch hit.

[Facedown]

Wonder what they can get for Ellsbury?

I know you've mentioned it before, Kill but what's with the hatred of Ellsbury? I know he had a down year last (2008) season after the promising playoffs the previous year but I thought he bounced back nicely this year.
He doesn't walk enough or hit for power but everything else seems to be fine.

[Redman77]

I'm excited for the Granderson trade. I loved watching him with the Tigers and think he'll be great in pinstripes.

[Heenan Snuka]

I'm excited for the Granderson trade. I loved watching him with the Tigers and think he'll be great in pinstripes.

wait, i dont get it...u loved him on the tigers yet ur happy to see him gone?