Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[Machado]

Yankees update for the masses:

To quote Hal Steinbrenner specifically, he said he is “excited” about Curtis Granderson, and raved how the Yankees “all love Johnny Damon.” But when it comes down to it, the club simply has placed a different value on the left fielder than the one Damon and his agent Scott Boras have suggested.

“He was a big part of the reason we won that championship,” Steinbrenner said. “But I think right now there’s just a difference of opinion of what the pay is, quite frankly.”

Steinbrenner said the club still hopes to add a pitcher and a bat. He, Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi all expressed a willingness to find a pitcher first. That partly because Phil Hughes will have an innings limitation next season, according to Cashman, while Joba Chamberlain will not. Girardi said that does not mean Hughes is the more likely young pitcher to find himself in the bullpen.

Mark my words. If Phillip Hughes comes even remotely close to his potential, he'll be a Cy Young winner.

Joba's going to keep falling. The League is catching up to him.

I am really skeptical about both Hughes and Joba. They each contributed to the World Series win this year. I hope both of them can take at least 1-2 steps forward with their development in 2010.
Will they? I'm not sure. All depends on their role as a starter or reliever.
Currently the rotation is
CC
A.J.
Andy

2 spots open between Joba, Hughes, Mitre, Aceves and others.

With the innings limit on Hughes, I have to assume he will be in the bullpen before Joba ever is sent there.
Now that Joba has no innings limit hanging over his head, there should be no reason for him not to progress as a starter.

[killeverything]

I am really skeptical about both Hughes and Joba. They each contributed to the World Series win this year. I hope both of them can take at least 1-2 steps forward with their development in 2010.
Will they? I'm not sure. All depends on their role as a starter or reliever.
Currently the rotation is
CC
A.J.
Andy

2 spots open between Joba, Hughes, Mitre, Aceves and others.

With the innings limit on Hughes, I have to assume he will be in the bullpen before Joba ever is sent there.
Now that Joba has no innings limit hanging over his head, there should be no reason for him not to progress as a starter.

Except that he's lost a lot of movement and velocity on his FB, so he's started head hunting. I think NY saw his peak in 2008.

[Machado]

I am really skeptical about both Hughes and Joba. They each contributed to the World Series win this year. I hope both of them can take at least 1-2 steps forward with their development in 2010.
Will they? I'm not sure. All depends on their role as a starter or reliever.
Currently the rotation is
CC
A.J.
Andy

2 spots open between Joba, Hughes, Mitre, Aceves and others.

With the innings limit on Hughes, I have to assume he will be in the bullpen before Joba ever is sent there.
Now that Joba has no innings limit hanging over his head, there should be no reason for him not to progress as a starter.

Except that he's lost a lot of movement and velocity on his FB, so he's started head hunting. I think NY saw his peak in 2008.

I encourage Joba to throw to youk each and everytime he gets.
Payback for what petey did to Zimmer years ago.

[JakeYonkel]

Kill, I understand your hatred for Damon now. I was never CRAZY about him but he played hard and was a likeable guy. But this...

The Yankees had been told by a conduit of Damon that unless the team was willing to offer a multiyear deal worth at least $13 million a season -- the outfielder's salary in 2009 -- the Yankees shouldn't even bother making an offer.

Another concern is that even if Damon were to agree to the team's terms -- perhaps a two-year deal in the range of $18 million to $20 million -- he might be so frustrated by the cut in pay after a strong 2009 season that his play would be affected.

GTFO with that bullshit. Fuck this guy.

Per usual, these guys always hold the Yankees up for more money. And then come January he'll sign a 1 or 2 year deal for about $7M per. Mark my words.

[Machado]

Kill, I understand your hatred for Damon now. I was never CRAZY about him but he played hard and was a likeable guy. But this...

The Yankees had been told by a conduit of Damon that unless the team was willing to offer a multiyear deal worth at least $13 million a season -- the outfielder's salary in 2009 -- the Yankees shouldn't even bother making an offer.

Another concern is that even if Damon were to agree to the team's terms -- perhaps a two-year deal in the range of $18 million to $20 million -- he might be so frustrated by the cut in pay after a strong 2009 season that his play would be affected.

GTFO with that bullshit. Fuck this guy.

Per usual, these guys always hold the Yankees up for more money. And then come January he'll sign a 1 or 2 year deal for about $7M per. Mark my words.

I know this much. I'd rather have Damon on the club vs nick johnson-WTF????

Is Boras once again over his head and leading another client down the wrong path?

[Sheep_Mafia]

Mariano Rivera named 2009 Pro Athlete of the Year by the Sporting News--nice honor for the Sandman.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article ... ees-closer

[tin00can]

Kill, I understand your hatred for Damon now. I was never CRAZY about him but he played hard and was a likeable guy. But this...

The Yankees had been told by a conduit of Damon that unless the team was willing to offer a multiyear deal worth at least $13 million a season -- the outfielder's salary in 2009 -- the Yankees shouldn't even bother making an offer.

Another concern is that even if Damon were to agree to the team's terms -- perhaps a two-year deal in the range of $18 million to $20 million -- he might be so frustrated by the cut in pay after a strong 2009 season that his play would be affected.

GTFO with that bullshit. Fuck this guy.

Per usual, these guys always hold the Yankees up for more money. And then come January he'll sign a 1 or 2 year deal for about $7M per. Mark my words.

Maybe he can go back to the Royals.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Just got back from the Marlins Holiday Party in Miami.

Oh my God. Cameron Maybin is THE MAN. Mr. TVJ and I were walking out to have a smoke, and Maybin came up to US and starting talking to us like we were old friends! Wow. What a great kid. He had no "star" aura around him, he was just a regular guy wearing glasses, flannel and jeans. He told us he was playing hurt (shoulder) for most of the year, because he wanted to play, hates sitting around doing nothing. He's since had surgery, and should be ready for ST. Super nice kid.
Also talked to David Samson, he stopped by our table and chatted with us for about 5 minutes. (!) I swear he's shrinking, that fucker is TINY! Also talked to Niner, Trader Jack, Dan Meyer, Chris Volstad, Fredi Gonzalez, and Larry Beinfest. It's unreal to me how these guys are so approachable.

[killeverything]

I am really skeptical about both Hughes and Joba. They each contributed to the World Series win this year. I hope both of them can take at least 1-2 steps forward with their development in 2010.
Will they? I'm not sure. All depends on their role as a starter or reliever.
Currently the rotation is
CC
A.J.
Andy

2 spots open between Joba, Hughes, Mitre, Aceves and others.

With the innings limit on Hughes, I have to assume he will be in the bullpen before Joba ever is sent there.
Now that Joba has no innings limit hanging over his head, there should be no reason for him not to progress as a starter.

Except that he's lost a lot of movement and velocity on his FB, so he's started head hunting. I think NY saw his peak in 2008.

I encourage Joba to throw to youk each and everytime he gets.
Payback for what petey did to Zimmer years ago.

A backing up saying "no, no, no" Pedro? The one where Zimmer was throwing punches at him, so he laid him on the ground? Not threw him down, laid him down? That incident?

I was pretty disappointed in Pedro about that whole instance. He should of fucking stomped on his head.

Kill, I understand your hatred for Damon now. I was never CRAZY about him but he played hard and was a likeable guy. But this...

The Yankees had been told by a conduit of Damon that unless the team was willing to offer a multiyear deal worth at least $13 million a season -- the outfielder's salary in 2009 -- the Yankees shouldn't even bother making an offer.

Another concern is that even if Damon were to agree to the team's terms -- perhaps a two-year deal in the range of $18 million to $20 million -- he might be so frustrated by the cut in pay after a strong 2009 season that his play would be affected.

GTFO with that bullshit. Fuck this guy.

Per usual, these guys always hold the Yankees up for more money. And then come January he'll sign a 1 or 2 year deal for about $7M per. Mark my words.

It's pretty understandable, especially now ain't it? 2 million more dollars is why the "Idiot, who will never play for the Yankees because Boston is his home, and he hates them." left to do just that. Except in Traitor's defense he didn't go on Letterman and write a fucking book saying "I will never leave NY over money."

I would love him to leave and end up somewhere like Washington, in the process turn MFY fans against him too. They hate him in KC, hate him in Oakland, hate him in Boston.......

Just got back from the Marlins Holiday Party in Miami.

Oh my God. Cameron Maybin is THE MAN. Mr. TVJ and I were walking out to have a smoke, and Maybin came up to US and starting talking to us like we were old friends! Wow. What a great kid. He had no "star" aura around him, he was just a regular guy wearing glasses, flannel and jeans. He told us he was playing hurt (shoulder) for most of the year, because he wanted to play, hates sitting around doing nothing. He's since had surgery, and should be ready for ST. Super nice kid.
Also talked to David Samson, he stopped by our table and chatted with us for about 5 minutes. (!) I swear he's shrinking, that fucker is TINY! Also talked to Niner, Trader Jack, Dan Meyer, Chris Volstad, Fredi Gonzalez, and Larry Beinfest. It's unreal to me how these guys are so approachable.

That's a really cool story, Tawny. What's Josh Johnson like?

[TawnyVonJagger]

JJ wasn't there, only a few players showed up-Maybin, Meyer, and Volstad. I'm guessing most of the players live out of state in the off season. But I have met JJ in ST, and he's a real cool guy too. And fucking TALL. (Volstad too, I feel like a Lilliputian standing next to him!) I've NEVER had a bad encounter with a Marlin. I think my favorites have been D-Train (that guy is a fucking RIOT), Amezega, and Maybin.

[thejuggernaut]

I encourage Joba to throw to youk each and everytime he gets.
Payback for what petey did to Zimmer years ago.

A backing up saying "no, no, no" Pedro? The one where Zimmer was throwing punches at him, so he laid him on the ground? Not threw him down, laid him down? That incident?

I was pretty disappointed in Pedro about that whole instance. He should of fucking stomped on his head.

It's astonishing how faggotty Yankee fans are about that incident. The fat old fuck tried to take out the ACE of a team's staff and got dealt with.

If he's too old to throw to the ground, he's too old to charge the mound.

Fuck Don Zimmer and his tobacco stained purple bottom lip, that zipper bursting pig.

[killeverything]

I encourage Joba to throw to youk each and everytime he gets.
Payback for what petey did to Zimmer years ago.

A backing up saying "no, no, no" Pedro? The one where Zimmer was throwing punches at him, so he laid him on the ground? Not threw him down, laid him down? That incident?

I was pretty disappointed in Pedro about that whole instance. He should of fucking stomped on his head.

It's astonishing how faggotty Yankee fans are about that incident. The fat old fuck tried to take out the ACE of a team's staff and got dealt with.

If he's too old to throw to the ground, he's too old to charge the mound.

Fuck Don Zimmer and his tobacco stained purple bottom lip, that zipper bursting pig.

No, no, no. Pedro was attacked, but HE should be arrested for assault.

Ask any of the 70's Sox what they think of Zimmer. I bet they wish Pedro would've killed him.

[thejuggernaut]

It's astonishing how faggotty Yankee fans are about that incident. The fat old fuck tried to take out the ACE of a team's staff and got dealt with.

If he's too old to throw to the ground, he's too old to charge the mound.

Fuck Don Zimmer and his tobacco stained purple bottom lip, that zipper bursting pig.

No, no, no. Pedro was attacked, but HE should be arrested for assault.

Ask any of the 70's Sox what they think of Zimmer. I bet they wish Pedro would've killed him.

I'd be curious to see what Yankee fans were saying when Clemens was clearly terrorizing Piazza.

Alas, that is not possible.

[Machado]

It's astonishing how faggotty Yankee fans are about that incident. The fat old fuck tried to take out the ACE of a team's staff and got dealt with.

If he's too old to throw to the ground, he's too old to charge the mound.

Fuck Don Zimmer and his tobacco stained purple bottom lip, that zipper bursting pig.

No, no, no. Pedro was attacked, but HE should be arrested for assault.

Ask any of the 70's Sox what they think of Zimmer. I bet they wish Pedro would've killed him.

I'd be curious to see what Yankee fans were saying when Clemens was clearly terrorizing Piazza.

Alas, that is not possible.

Thanks for the memory. Good times. Defeating the mets in the 2000 WS was terrific. So much pressure on the Yankees that year because everybody expected the Yankees to win and win easily.
4 games to 2. Not no easy, but still a W
When piazza hit the ball of Rivera for the final out, I was sure the ball was leaving the park. Didn't you!

Listen, events like the Zimmer vs petey and Clemens vs piazza are what make rivalries that much more interesting.

Last season the red sox won the first 8 games vs the Yankees. In the end, the Yankees won the World Series. See what I mean

[JakeYonkel]

Yankees won that series in 5, cabron.



Seattle and the Cubs swapped Carlos Silva and Milton Bradley. How Jim Hendry still has a job, I really don't understand. Bradley was a jerkoff but at least useful. Carlos Silva has as much business pitching in MLB as I do.

[Machado]

Yankees won that series in 5, cabron.

Puto!
5 games, 6 games, whatever.

All I know is Bernie caught the ball in CF for the final out of the series!

[johnk5150]

That miserable turd Milton Bradley is gone.

Everyone take the rest of the day off!

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

Yankees won that series in 5, cabron.

Puto!
5 games, 6 games, 15 games, whatever.

All I know is it was the Yankees and that's ALL I need to know about it!

[Machado]

The Yankees, frustrated in their attempts to re-sign Johnny Damon, have reached aagreement on a one-year deal with Nick Johnson, pending a physical, sources said.

The deal will pay Johnson $5.5 million, and he can earn additional money in incentives based on plate appearances. There is a mutual option -- to which both sides would have to agree -- for 2011 for the same dollar amount.

This likely means the end of Damon's tenure with the Yankees. Damon signed a four-year, $52 million deal with the Yankees prior to the 2006 season and took advantage of the Yankees' new ballpark to have a strong 2009 season.

The Yankees have hoped to sign Damon to a two-year deal in the range of $18 million, but the team was told by a conduit of Damon that unless the team was willing to offer at least $13 million a year -- the outfielder's salary in 2009 -- in a multi-year deal, the Yankees shouldn't even bother making an offer.

Another concern within the organization was that even if Damon were to agree to the team's terms, he might be so frustrated by the cut in pay after a strong 2009 season that his play would be affected.

[JakeYonkel]

What's with the disdain for Nick Johnson? The guy's been an OBP machine, and that's playing on the Nationals. With Teixeira and A-Rod being him he may get on base 60% of the time. And DHing will limit his chance of injury. He's a one-year stopgap anyway, I have a feeling they've got their eyes set on next year's free agent class since this one is pretty poor.

[Machado]

What's with the disdain for Nick Johnson? The guy's been an OBP machine, and that's playing on the Nationals. With Teixeira and A-Rod being him he may get on base 60% of the time. And DHing will limit his chance of injury. He's a one-year stopgap anyway, I have a feeling they've got their eyes set on next year's free agent class since this one is pretty poor.

I think Damon is a better player. He has more to offer and gives the team more speed out of the #2 hole.

Despite the terrific OBP for Johnson, if the guy gets injured, what good is that?
I feel like the Yankees have been making so many good moves to help their team and I think the law of averages has caught up with them=Signing Johnson and not giving Damon at least 13M could be a mistake.
Plus, I'm not convinced that Melky in LF can produce as a starter for an entire season. Sometimes the guy proves he is a MLB everyday player and then he goes into a month-long funk.

[JakeYonkel]

Remember, there's 2 more months until spring training. Melky may not be a starter by that point.

And while I would have preferred Damon also, he can take his absurd contract demands and shove them up his ass. Sorry pal.

Really, Johnson is replacing Matsui. And the Yankees are apparently really skeptical of his ability to hold up much longer (Hideki) due to his knee problems. They certainly know him better than we do.

Johnson's OPS isn't far off of Matsui's anyway. And I'd say Granderson is at least a comparable player to Damon. So I don't see where the fall-off is - Melky was the starting CF last year, he's in LF now. Big deal.

[Machado]

Remember, there's 2 more months until spring training. Melky may not be a starter by that point.

And while I would have preferred Damon also, he can take his absurd contract demands and shove them up his ass. Sorry pal.

Really, Johnson is replacing Matsui. And the Yankees are apparently really skeptical of his ability to hold up much longer (Hideki) due to his knee problems. They certainly know him better than we do.

Johnson's OPS isn't far off of Matsui's anyway. And I'd say Granderson is at least a comparable player to Damon. So I don't see where the fall-off is - Melky was the starting CF last year, he's in LF now. Big deal.

I understand. Matsui is so clutch. All he does in produce, drive in runs and come up with big hits. He's a "professional hitter",

Seriously, time will tell if the signing worked or not.

[Facedown]

The Lowell to the Rangers deal is off.
Torn ligament in his right thumb.
So, is this:
A. Something Lowell knew about but said nothing because he wanted to stay here.
B. He and the Sox knew but hoped they could sneak it by a physical.
C. A torn radial collateral ligament is something that Lowell wouldn't feel so he had no idea.
It's a 6-8 week recovery. Why wasn't surgery done at the end of the season?

[killeverything]

The Lowell to the Rangers deal is off.
Torn ligament in his right thumb.
So, is this:
A. Something Lowell knew about but said nothing because he wanted to stay here.
B. He and the Sox knew but hoped they could sneak it by a physical.
C. A torn radial collateral ligament is something that Lowell wouldn't feel so he had no idea.
It's a 6-8 week recovery. Why wasn't surgery done at the end of the season?

He should've addressed it at the end of the season, but he didn't. Which essentially fucks us.

So I ask you this. Which was worse, the trade for Doug Mirabelli or the 4 year contract for Mike Lowell?

They were going to pay another team to take him, now they can't even do that. Maybe they can still move him if he has a strong Spring Training, but I doubt it.

[JakeYonkel]

At this rate the guy knows Boston deosn't want him, they tried to sign Teixeira, they acquired Casey Kotchman, etc. He knows. This is Lugo part 2.

If they were gonna pay $9M of the $12M owed to him, just eat the entire thing and free up the roster space. Why would he even want to play for them at this point?

[tin00can]

They just showed a replay of WS game six from 2002 on MLB network. Man, as an Angels fan that never gets old.

[killeverything]

At this rate the guy knows Boston deosn't want him, they tried to sign Teixeira, they acquired Casey Kotchman, etc. He knows. This is Lugo part 2.

If they were gonna pay $9M of the $12M owed to him, just eat the entire thing and free up the roster space. Why would he even want to play for them at this point?

What the funny thing is, is he CAN'T play for them. I feel sorry for Mr. Lowell, it sucks that age caught up with you.

I'm more pissed off with Epstein. What the fuck was going through your head giving this old man a 4 year contract?

Boston has a lot of money at their disposal.

NY bought a WS this season. It cost them half a billion dollars,

Boston, once again raised ticket prices. They may not have a trillion dollars to buy a ring, but at least there's integrity.

[thejuggernaut]

At this rate the guy knows Boston deosn't want him, they tried to sign Teixeira, they acquired Casey Kotchman, etc. He knows. This is Lugo part 2.

If they were gonna pay $9M of the $12M owed to him, just eat the entire thing and free up the roster space. Why would he even want to play for them at this point?

What the funny thing is, is he CAN'T play for them. I feel sorry for Mr. Lowell, it sucks that age caught up with you.

I'm more pissed off with Epstein. What the fuck was going through your head giving this old man a 4 year contract?

Boston has a lot of money at their disposal.

NY bought a WS this season. It cost them half a billion dollars,

Boston, once again raised ticket prices. They may not have a trillion dollars to buy a ring, but at least there's integrity.

It was a colossal screwup by Epstein.

You look at the Sox prospects now and realize a lot of them were from letting key guys walk after 2004 and 2005.

However, 2006 was a tough year, what with the collapse and the gorilla incident.

I am sure Epstein did not want to give him that many years (personally I thought they should have let him walk) but he let Boston fandom get the best of him and opted not to let a WS MVP leave town.

Also, he probably though a certain team would come in and outbid them for his services and eh could get away with at least "making an effort" to keep Lowell.

Oh well, at least Epstein is still signing old marquee type players, trying to squeeze some plays out of them, then letting them walk for picks.

[killeverything]

At this rate the guy knows Boston deosn't want him, they tried to sign Teixeira, they acquired Casey Kotchman, etc. He knows. This is Lugo part 2.

If they were gonna pay $9M of the $12M owed to him, just eat the entire thing and free up the roster space. Why would he even want to play for them at this point?

What the funny thing is, is he CAN'T play for them. I feel sorry for Mr. Lowell, it sucks that age caught up with you.

I'm more pissed off with Epstein. What the fuck was going through your head giving this old man a 4 year contract?

Boston has a lot of money at their disposal.

NY bought a WS this season. It cost them half a billion dollars,

Boston, once again raised ticket prices. They may not have a trillion dollars to buy a ring, but at least there's integrity.

It was a colossal screwup by Epstein.

You look at the Sox prospects now and realize a lot of them were from letting key guys walk after 2004 and 2005.

However, 2006 was a tough year, what with the collapse and the gorilla incident.

I am sure Epstein did not want to give him that many years (personally I thought they should have let him walk) but he let Boston fandom get the best of him and opted not to let a WS MVP leave town.

Also, he probably though a certain team would come in and outbid them for his services and eh could get away with at least "making an effort" to keep Lowell.

Oh well, at least Epstein is still signing old marquee type players, trying to squeeze some plays out of them, then letting them walk for picks.

I don't think it was an outbid situation. Lowell took less money to stay.

It was a colossal fuckup.You don't want a WS MVP to leave so you give an old man a four year contract. At third base none the less, yet argueably the greatest RHH in baseball plays for the Dodgers.