NFL 2011 Thread

[Tymaster]

Sure. I'm not defending McCoy. I just think the Browns can get where they want faster by spending the draft in other areas. I'd fully expect them to bring in a vet QB.

Everything hinges on the definition of "get where they want". If it's just a case of wanting to make a playoff run then they can bring in some veterans and hope for a wild card spot. But it will most likely be a one-and-done scenario. If they just want to be "competitive", that is try to win 8-10 games a year for the next 4-5 years then they can stick with McCoy and build around him. But if they want to be very good for long time with a couple of seasons contending for a Superbowl they need a young franchise QB.

Look at the teams that have been consistently good for at least 4-5 seasons and gotten a SB over the past 7-8 years and they all have a franchise QB. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Rapistberger are winning championships and making serious playoff runs year in and year out. The game managers haven't won shit over that time, and unless your team counts a single playoff win every couple of years as being successful then it's not a model you want to follow.

I think it hinges upon who is left at number four or if H&H (Shurmur ain't a part of it, even if he says he is.) can trade use their other first round pick to trade down. Also, is there someone H&H think they can bring in at QB via free agency?

[cantstopthemusic]

I just think the Browns can get where they want faster by spending the draft in other areas. I'd fully expect them to bring in a vet QB.

Cleveland will SUCK for perpetuity (football's version of the Cubs), regardless.

They may as well just change from the "Browns" to the "Steamers."

Might give them a boost in merch sales, if nothing else.

[bigbuttskinner]

Holmgren and Heckert said today that next week they will also start talking to who they want to re-sign. Hopefully Hillis and Mike Adams are on that list. They said Hardesty will be back, which sucks. As far as the Colt McCoy talk on here, honestly he hasn't had much help at all on offense this year. VERY below average receivers all year, Hillis in and out of games, terrible right side of the offensive line, etc. Give the guy a break with all of that, the lockout, a new system, and playing in the AFC North. IMO, he gets another year of starting easily.

[LAglamrocker]

i pre ordered mine in week 6! came in the mail today!

Order it now, must own to be an official Tebow Hater!
http://broncos.fanatics.com/NFL_Denver_ ... rt_-_White

good call by the NFL putting Tebomania in the Main Event Sunday Night

I CAN'T WAIT for the 1x raper to get Tebowed sunday night



i feel bad for the Saints, the Lions have a chance..Upset special!, Bengals also

[bane]

Sure. I'm not defending McCoy. I just think the Browns can get where they want faster by spending the draft in other areas. I'd fully expect them to bring in a vet QB.

Everything hinges on the definition of "get where they want". If it's just a case of wanting to make a playoff run then they can bring in some veterans and hope for a wild card spot. But it will most likely be a one-and-done scenario. If they just want to be "competitive", that is try to win 8-10 games a year for the next 4-5 years then they can stick with McCoy and build around him. But if they want to be very good for long time with a couple of seasons contending for a Superbowl they need a young franchise QB.

Look at the teams that have been consistently good for at least 4-5 seasons and gotten a SB over the past 7-8 years and they all have a franchise QB. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Rapistberger are winning championships and making serious playoff runs year in and year out. The game managers haven't won shit over that time, and unless your team counts a single playoff win every couple of years as being successful then it's not a model you want to follow.

Sure they need a franchise QB, which McCoy may or may not be. You seem to be pushing for RGIII because Luck is almost surely going to Indy.
There have been 16 QBs taken at the top of the draft since 1980. 4 have won championships. Drafting a QB high doesn't guarantee squat. In fact, the odds are a lot higher that he'll be a bust. They can improve the holes in their team with this draft and go get a vet (Flynn maybe?) to compete with McCoy and have a much better chance. Put it this way- Andrew Luck isn't winning any rings with that team as it stands, and Colt McCoy is a better QB than Blaine Gabbert.

[LAglamrocker]

as a fan its much better to have a QB that is great for a long time and entertaining to the fan base with 0 rings like Marino or Kelly. Then being a fan of a team that gets a ring and then done like Tampa

[Crazy Levi]

as a fan its much better to have a QB that is great for a long time and entertaining to the fan base with 0 rings like Marino or Kelly. Then being a fan of a team that gets a ring and then done like Tampa

Uhh, what? I'm sure Bills fans would have traded Jim Kelly for Trent Dilfer if it meant they would have won ONE Super Bowl.

[bane]

as a fan its much better to have a QB that is great for a long time and entertaining to the fan base with 0 rings like Marino or Kelly. Then being a fan of a team that gets a ring and then done like Tampa

Uhh, what? I'm sure Bills fans would have traded Jim Kelly for Trent Dilfer if it meant they would have won ONE Super Bowl.

Pretty much. I watched Warren Moon put up a billion yards and go deep in the play offs for years. I'd gladly trade every one of those playoff runs for one damn ring.

[Luminiferous]

i pre ordered mine in week 6! came in the mail today!

Order it now, must own to be an official Tebow Hater!
http://broncos.fanatics.com/NFL_Denver_ ... rt_-_White

good call by the NFL putting Tebomania in the Main Event Sunday Night

I CAN'T WAIT for the 1x raper to get Tebowed sunday night

41-23
40-14
7-3

0-3 to end the season..

If Teblow and the Donkeys get owned like they did by the Chiefs at HOME last week, I hope that shirt soaks up a lot of tears for you..

[LAglamrocker]

you think Bills fans would want to trade being a great team for a long time vs 1 ring in Buffalo then sucking forever like Tampa, i dout that

[Crazy Levi]

you think Bills fans would want to trade being a great team for a long time vs 1 ring in Buffalo then sucking forever like Tampa, i dout that

Talk some fucking Bills fans and ask them what they think.

There are very few teams that have never won a Super Bowl. The Bills are one of them. Worse, they lost FOUR STRAIGHT. And they suck NOW.

The majority of Bills fans would trade their 1990-1994 run with the 2003 Bucs, easy.

[LAglamrocker]

i don't get that thinking at all

if Elway never won a Super Bowl, as a Denver fan I would not want to win 1 year then suck forever. Better to have the Elway player for a decade

[cantstopthemusic]

There are very few teams that have never won a Super Bowl. The Bills are one of them.

I guess you have a different definition of "very few."

Cincinnati Bengals
Buffalo Bills
Cleveland Browns
San Diego Chargers
Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans
Tennessee Titans/Tennessee Oilers/Houston Oilers
Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Cardinals/St. Louis Cardinals
Philadelphia Eagles
Detroit Lions
Carolina Panthers
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
Atlanta Falcons

[Crazy Levi]

There are very few teams that have never won a Super Bowl. The Bills are one of them.

I guess you have a different definition of "very few."

Cincinnati Bengals
Buffalo Bills
Cleveland Browns
San Diego Chargers
Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans
Tennessee Titans/Tennessee Oilers/Houston Oilers
Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Cardinals/St. Louis Cardinals
Philadelphia Eagles
Detroit Lions
Carolina Panthers
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
Atlanta Falcons

Defend Tebow you cocksucker!!!

How can you swing from his nuts so wildly, and then refuse to come back for your comeupance?

YOU SUCK!

[cantstopthemusic]

There are very few teams that have never won a Super Bowl. The Bills are one of them.

I guess you have a different definition of "very few."

Cincinnati Bengals
Buffalo Bills
Cleveland Browns
San Diego Chargers
Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans
Tennessee Titans/Tennessee Oilers/Houston Oilers
Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Cardinals/St. Louis Cardinals
Philadelphia Eagles
Detroit Lions
Carolina Panthers
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
Atlanta Falcons

I think I'll change the subject, since you proved it was far more than a few. One-third of the league has never won a Super Bowl.

[Skate4RnR]

Pretty much. I watched Warren Moon put up a billion yards and go deep in the play offs for years. I'd gladly trade every one of those playoff runs for one damn ring.

Speaking of the Oilers, we started getting those Earl Campbell sausages up here and I grill them a lot in the summer. Do you eat 'em at all? What do you think of 'em?

[bane]

Pretty much. I watched Warren Moon put up a billion yards and go deep in the play offs for years. I'd gladly trade every one of those playoff runs for one damn ring.

Speaking of the Oilers, we started getting those Earl Campbell sausages up here and I grill them a lot in the summer. Do you eat 'em at all? What do you think of 'em?

They're awesome!

[Tenacious_Dio]

One-third of the league has never won a Super Bowl.

More than that. 44%

[SkyDog112046]

Offensive Coordinator Bill O'Brein is leaving New England to become the head coach of Penn State. Good luck with that, Nittany Lions. O'Brein isn't ready to be a head coach at any level and most of his reputation comes from Brady running the offense. Ever see how slow the Patriots offense starts games? Well that is when they are running O'Brein's scripted plays.

Then watch how smooth the offense runs after they go to the no-huddle and Brady calls the plays. It's the same thing as it was with Josh McDaniels, only McDaniels was better at calling plays than O'Brein. O'Brein doesn't run that offense, Brady does same way Manning ran the offense in Indy. QBs of that level are really the offensive coordinators. O'Brein's main job has been assembling the playbook for each week and scripting out the first couple of series(you know, the ones that usually end up 3-and-outs). Weis and even McDaniels were far more involved and far more capable coordinators.

So good luck with that Penn State, if you thought you had a mess on your hands before just wait until O'Brein has run the show for a few years.

[SkyDog112046]

Rapistberger is hurt and has limited mobility. Pittsburgh will try to help him by running most plays from the shotgun. Not having the 1-2 punch of Mendenhall & Redman might hurt them with their QB hobbling. It shouldn't make a difference this week against Denver although it might make the score a little closer. However every snap Rapistberger takes will further aggravate his injury making it tougher the following week against Baltimore or New England. Especially against that Ravens defense where you know Suggs & Lewis will take great pleasure in pounding him in front of their home crowd. In retrospect he should have sat last week and rested his ankle as they got the #5 seed anyway.

[Crazy Levi]

Rapistberger is hurt and has limited mobility. Pittsburgh will try to help him by running most plays from the shotgun. Not having the 1-2 punch of Mendenhall & Redman might hurt them with their QB hobbling. It shouldn't make a difference this week against Denver although it might make the score a little closer. However every snap Rapistberger takes will further aggravate his injury making it tougher the following week against Baltimore or New England. Especially against that Ravens defense where you know Suggs & Lewis will take great pleasure in pounding him in front of their home crowd. In retrospect he should have sat last week and rested his ankle as they got the #5 seed anyway.

They should have rested him the last two weeks. It's really going to cost them. Denver has a great D and might put some additional hurt on him.

[WTF]

Offensive Coordinator Bill O'Brein is leaving New England to become the head coach of Penn State. Good luck with that, Nittany Lions. O'Brein isn't ready to be a head coach at any level and most of his reputation comes from Brady running the offense. Ever see how slow the Patriots offense starts games? Well that is when they are running O'Brein's scripted plays.

Then watch how smooth the offense runs after they go to the no-huddle and Brady calls the plays. It's the same thing as it was with Josh McDaniels, only McDaniels was better at calling plays than O'Brein. O'Brein doesn't run that offense, Brady does same way Manning ran the offense in Indy. QBs of that level are really the offensive coordinators. O'Brein's main job has been assembling the playbook for each week and scripting out the first couple of series(you know, the ones that usually end up 3-and-outs). Weis and even McDaniels were far more involved and far more capable coordinators.

So good luck with that Penn State, if you thought you had a mess on your hands before just wait until O'Brein has run the show for a few years.

Yeah, this has more fail written all over it than Charlie Weis going to Notre Dame.

[johnk5150]

Yeah, this has more fail written all over it than Charlie Weis going to Notre Dame.

A lot of alumni are pissed they're hiring outside the program. Alumni don't get that everyone involved with the program needs to be gone.

[bane]

Yeah, this has more fail written all over it than Charlie Weis going to Notre Dame.

A lot of alumni are pissed they're hiring outside the program. Alumni don't get that everyone involved with the program needs to be gone.

I guess that takes care of that rumor of Munchak taking the job.

[SkyDog112046]

Yeah, this has more fail written all over it than Charlie Weis going to Notre Dame.

A lot of alumni are pissed they're hiring outside the program. Alumni don't get that everyone involved with the program needs to be gone.

They should be hiring outside the program and let the new coach come in a clean house. That's the only way the program can move forward. But they should have hired someone with head coaching experience and a bigger name who knows what they are doing. Think the alumni would have had a problem with Cowher or someone like that?

O'Brien has never been a head coach at any level. And keep in mind that New England allowed his contract to expire at the end of this season - he wasn't being invited back. This will be an epic fail.

[johnk5150]

O'Brien has never been a head coach at any level. And keep in mind that New England allowed his contract to expire at the end of this season - he wasn't being invited back. This will be an epic fail.

Guys like Levar Arrington saying they're done with Penn St. over hiring outside the family is awesome. The program aiding and abetting child rape wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back?

[Crazy Levi]

O'Brien has never been a head coach at any level. And keep in mind that New England allowed his contract to expire at the end of this season - he wasn't being invited back. This will be an epic fail.

Guys like Levar Arrington saying they're done with Penn St. over hiring outside the family is awesome. The program aiding and abetting child rape wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back?

Lavar was one of hundreds of former Penn St players who signed a letter of support for Paterno a couple weeks ago.

[Machado]

My predictions for this weekend's NFL playoffs game.

Steelers will win on the road, despite Ben's ankle injury that should limit him greatly. Only chance Denver wins in divine intervention

Falcons win on the road. This is the weekend the G-man stink up the joint. Last week they were good, the week before they were good, odds are this weekend their performance will be just bad enough to lose. Cue the booing!!

Saints should score a few more points than the Lions for the win this weekend. Hard to beat the Saints inside the dome. Could be a 41-35 final

[Skate4RnR]

Pretty much. I watched Warren Moon put up a billion yards and go deep in the play offs for years. I'd gladly trade every one of those playoff runs for one damn ring.

Speaking of the Oilers, we started getting those Earl Campbell sausages up here and I grill them a lot in the summer. Do you eat 'em at all? What do you think of 'em?

They're awesome!

Yeah, I'm really impressed with 'em. They're really, really good and you just can't beat the price. They're cheap as hell! Gotta love the pic of him on the front too.

Yeah, this has more fail written all over it than Charlie Weis going to Notre Dame.

He just signed here at Kansas, we're looking forward to having him but we'll see.

Yeah, this has more fail written all over it than Charlie Weis going to Notre Dame.

A lot of alumni are pissed they're hiring outside the program. Alumni don't get that everyone involved with the program needs to be gone.

I know, between the idiotic students out there protesting/supporting Paterno and the way a lot of these alums are acting, I'm getting to where I can't fucking stand that school and hope complete failure for them and everything they do.

[SkyDog112046]

Brady Quinn is getting half the snaps with the first team this week. The way to beat Pittsburgh's pass rush is to go to a spread formation and then have the ability to throw deep accurately. Fox knows Tebow can't do it, otherwise there would be no way he'd take half the snaps away from the guy that is supposed to be his starting QB in the week leading up to hi first playoff game.

Pittsburgh is down an RB, their QB who depends on mobility is playing on a bad ankle, their O-line has issues, and now one of their coaches is in the hospital. They should still beat Denver but they are somewhat vulnerable now. But no way Denver beats Pitt with a glorified running back taking the snaps. Tebow is going to have a very short rope this weekend. I wouldn't be shocked to see Quinn just a few series in if Tebow fizzles, even if it's just to throw Pittsburgh a curve.