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Is anyone still unsure who Levi or P-13 thinks should be the ROY?
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Sorry bro...somewhere out there is an article about this that HASN'T been posted...and Gregg and I have a solemn responsibility to cut and paste them all.sin wrote:Is anyone still unsure who Levi or P-13 thinks should be the ROY?
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That made me spit my beer out laughing. No more objections.
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Colts' Luck wants to make most of 1st playoff game
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Andrew Luck spent his rookie season dealing with the harsh realities of the NFL.
The hand-picked successor to Peyton Manning took the hard knocks with a smile, dusted himself off and emerged as the tough, talented competitor Indianapolis coaches and scouts expected when they drafted him with the No. 1 overall pick.
"We know how tough he is from a mental perspective. He's going to study. He's going to prepare. We know that," coach Chuck Pagano said Wednesday. "He's unflappable, nothing bothers him."
Not the 41 sacks, not the late hits, not the dropped balls, not even the 18 interceptions. Luck has adjusted.
Despite completing less than 50 percent of his passes over the past three weeks, he has avoided throwing an interception in any of those games. He heads into his playoff debut with five wins in his last six games and a season-long streak of 105 consecutive passes without a pick — the kind of numbers Luck has been striving for all season.
"I guess it was a sore spot for the offense," Luck said. "I know a lot of games, I felt like those interceptions, fumbles really killed any momentum we had or killed our chance to win. It's something you focus on as a quarterback, limiting turnovers. I wish maybe it could have come a little sooner but glad to stay away from the interceptions the last few weeks."
If Luck had cut down the turnovers in October or November, perhaps the Colts (11-5) would have taken the AFC South title and had a first-round bye instead of a wild-card round date in Baltimore (10-6) on Sunday.
But Indy can't quibble with what has been one of the league's most remarkable rookie seasons.
Luck won more games than any quarterback taken No. 1 in football's modern draft era. He tied an NFL record by leading Indianapolis to seven fourth-quarter wins. He presided over a nine-game turnaround from 2011 on a team that many expected to be the league's worst, finished with the league's best record (9-1) in one-possession games and broke the franchise record for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (five).
He also threw more passes (627) and for more yards (4,374) than any first-year quarterback in league history while breaking the single-game rookie record for yards passing (433) and falling 15 completions short of Sam Bradford's rookie mark for completions (354 to 339). Luck finished third all-time among rookies in TD passes (23), trailing only Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson (each with 26), and had a better quarterback rating (76.5) than Manning (71.2) or John Unitas (74.0) in their rookie seasons.
And Luck did all that with six receivers who had never lined up with the Colts until September, despite the pressure of replacing Manning and during a season in which his offensive coordinator spent 12 weeks as the interim head coach before returning last week.
Luck never allowed any of that stuff to sidetrack him.
"Ever since the first day I saw him, he's been a leader. He doesn't really get razzled or get nervous or anxious or stuff like that," right tackle Winston Justice said. "Did he grow some? Maybe, but I didn't really see it. He's been a good player since the first day he got here."
Still, Luck's completion percentage is just 54.1, largely because the Colts have taken so many chances down the field. He threw the third-most interceptions in the league (18) and lost five fumbles, too, mistakes Luck took personally.
But if quarterbacks are judged simply by wins and losses, Luck is already among the league's best.
Only four quarterbacks — Manning, Tom Brady, Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub — won more games than the two-time Heisman Trophy runner-up this season. Only two others, Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, matched Luck's win total. Luck has beaten three playoff teams (Minnesota, Green Bay and Houston) and like Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and T.J. Yates over the last several years, will try to prove Sunday that rookie quarterbacks can win on the road in the playoffs.
"My advice would be go about your business as you always would on a normal week. It's obviously gotten you to the point that you're in the playoffs and playing to get to another week," Flacco told a group of Indy reporters during a conference call Wednesday. "If it got you that far, then you're obviously doing something right, so you should try to continue that. You shouldn't try anything crazy just because it's playoff time."
Instead, Luck would rather show the football world he's grown up in his first NFL season and emerged as the steady leader of the league's biggest surprise team.
"He's playing right now like he's been in the league three or four years. This won't faze him one bit," Pagano said. "He gets his blinders on, he gets locked in and he's as focused as anybody in preparation and at practice."
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Andrew Luck spent his rookie season dealing with the harsh realities of the NFL.
The hand-picked successor to Peyton Manning took the hard knocks with a smile, dusted himself off and emerged as the tough, talented competitor Indianapolis coaches and scouts expected when they drafted him with the No. 1 overall pick.
"We know how tough he is from a mental perspective. He's going to study. He's going to prepare. We know that," coach Chuck Pagano said Wednesday. "He's unflappable, nothing bothers him."
Not the 41 sacks, not the late hits, not the dropped balls, not even the 18 interceptions. Luck has adjusted.
Despite completing less than 50 percent of his passes over the past three weeks, he has avoided throwing an interception in any of those games. He heads into his playoff debut with five wins in his last six games and a season-long streak of 105 consecutive passes without a pick — the kind of numbers Luck has been striving for all season.
"I guess it was a sore spot for the offense," Luck said. "I know a lot of games, I felt like those interceptions, fumbles really killed any momentum we had or killed our chance to win. It's something you focus on as a quarterback, limiting turnovers. I wish maybe it could have come a little sooner but glad to stay away from the interceptions the last few weeks."
If Luck had cut down the turnovers in October or November, perhaps the Colts (11-5) would have taken the AFC South title and had a first-round bye instead of a wild-card round date in Baltimore (10-6) on Sunday.
But Indy can't quibble with what has been one of the league's most remarkable rookie seasons.
Luck won more games than any quarterback taken No. 1 in football's modern draft era. He tied an NFL record by leading Indianapolis to seven fourth-quarter wins. He presided over a nine-game turnaround from 2011 on a team that many expected to be the league's worst, finished with the league's best record (9-1) in one-possession games and broke the franchise record for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (five).
He also threw more passes (627) and for more yards (4,374) than any first-year quarterback in league history while breaking the single-game rookie record for yards passing (433) and falling 15 completions short of Sam Bradford's rookie mark for completions (354 to 339). Luck finished third all-time among rookies in TD passes (23), trailing only Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson (each with 26), and had a better quarterback rating (76.5) than Manning (71.2) or John Unitas (74.0) in their rookie seasons.
And Luck did all that with six receivers who had never lined up with the Colts until September, despite the pressure of replacing Manning and during a season in which his offensive coordinator spent 12 weeks as the interim head coach before returning last week.
Luck never allowed any of that stuff to sidetrack him.
"Ever since the first day I saw him, he's been a leader. He doesn't really get razzled or get nervous or anxious or stuff like that," right tackle Winston Justice said. "Did he grow some? Maybe, but I didn't really see it. He's been a good player since the first day he got here."
Still, Luck's completion percentage is just 54.1, largely because the Colts have taken so many chances down the field. He threw the third-most interceptions in the league (18) and lost five fumbles, too, mistakes Luck took personally.
But if quarterbacks are judged simply by wins and losses, Luck is already among the league's best.
Only four quarterbacks — Manning, Tom Brady, Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub — won more games than the two-time Heisman Trophy runner-up this season. Only two others, Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, matched Luck's win total. Luck has beaten three playoff teams (Minnesota, Green Bay and Houston) and like Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and T.J. Yates over the last several years, will try to prove Sunday that rookie quarterbacks can win on the road in the playoffs.
"My advice would be go about your business as you always would on a normal week. It's obviously gotten you to the point that you're in the playoffs and playing to get to another week," Flacco told a group of Indy reporters during a conference call Wednesday. "If it got you that far, then you're obviously doing something right, so you should try to continue that. You shouldn't try anything crazy just because it's playoff time."
Instead, Luck would rather show the football world he's grown up in his first NFL season and emerged as the steady leader of the league's biggest surprise team.
"He's playing right now like he's been in the league three or four years. This won't faze him one bit," Pagano said. "He gets his blinders on, he gets locked in and he's as focused as anybody in preparation and at practice."
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Former DOLPHIN Jason Taylor on Rookie of the Year: "I will say Andrew Luck...he's done the most with the least"
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RG3 Keeps His Cool During Big Week
ASHBURN — Robert Griffin III crashed Mike Shanahan’s news conference, slipping in the back door to take an aisle seat in the Washington Redskins auditorium. Soon, the franchise quarterback had a microphone in his right hand, ready to ask the next question.
Shanahan, who is hard to rattle, couldn’t help but laugh.
“You got me by surprise there,” the coach said. “Who is this guy?”
“What did you do for New Year’s?” Griffin asked.
“I tried to put a good game plan together. I wasn’t sure how healthy you were, so it was hard without you calling me,” answered Shanahan, still chortling away. “You got me good.”
There doesn’t seem to be any first-time playoff pressure for the quarterback.
Griffin has hardly behaved like a rookie all season, so there’s no reason to think it’ll start now. He was as loose as anyone Wednesday, whether it was playfully shoving Jarvis Jenkins into the defensive lineman’s locker or simply radiating the smile that has rarely been missing during his initial run through the NFL grind.
It was the first practice for Sunday’s matchup against the Seattle Seahawks, the Redskins’ first home postseason game in 13 years.
If the excitement was getting to either half of Washington’s rookie backfield — Griffin or running back Alfred Morris — it wasn’t showing.
“I’ve been playing football since I was 5 years old. I just go out there and go have some fun. That’s what I do. So I’m not going to think about, ‘It’s the playoffs,’ ” said Morris, who added that he doesn’t really care for the attention he’s getting for a 1,613-yard regular season bettered only by Adrian Peterson.
To a man, the Redskins say the entire team shouldn’t be caught up in playoff nerves because they’ve been playing win-or-else games for nearly two months. Every victory in the season-ending seven-game streak was necessary to get to 10-6 and win the NFC East. Notable stat: Washington is 7-0 since Griffin was selected as a team captain.
Also, it helps that the Redskins have a routine week to prepare for the Seahawks. Griffin will take that over the weekslong wait for college bowl games.
ASHBURN — Robert Griffin III crashed Mike Shanahan’s news conference, slipping in the back door to take an aisle seat in the Washington Redskins auditorium. Soon, the franchise quarterback had a microphone in his right hand, ready to ask the next question.
Shanahan, who is hard to rattle, couldn’t help but laugh.
“You got me by surprise there,” the coach said. “Who is this guy?”
“What did you do for New Year’s?” Griffin asked.
“I tried to put a good game plan together. I wasn’t sure how healthy you were, so it was hard without you calling me,” answered Shanahan, still chortling away. “You got me good.”
There doesn’t seem to be any first-time playoff pressure for the quarterback.
Griffin has hardly behaved like a rookie all season, so there’s no reason to think it’ll start now. He was as loose as anyone Wednesday, whether it was playfully shoving Jarvis Jenkins into the defensive lineman’s locker or simply radiating the smile that has rarely been missing during his initial run through the NFL grind.
It was the first practice for Sunday’s matchup against the Seattle Seahawks, the Redskins’ first home postseason game in 13 years.
If the excitement was getting to either half of Washington’s rookie backfield — Griffin or running back Alfred Morris — it wasn’t showing.
“I’ve been playing football since I was 5 years old. I just go out there and go have some fun. That’s what I do. So I’m not going to think about, ‘It’s the playoffs,’ ” said Morris, who added that he doesn’t really care for the attention he’s getting for a 1,613-yard regular season bettered only by Adrian Peterson.
To a man, the Redskins say the entire team shouldn’t be caught up in playoff nerves because they’ve been playing win-or-else games for nearly two months. Every victory in the season-ending seven-game streak was necessary to get to 10-6 and win the NFC East. Notable stat: Washington is 7-0 since Griffin was selected as a team captain.
Also, it helps that the Redskins have a routine week to prepare for the Seahawks. Griffin will take that over the weekslong wait for college bowl games.
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Tough Luck, RG3 is Rookie of the Year
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Eight months ago in April, the NFL Draft couldn't get enough of Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Today, both rookies have led their teams to respectable records and have impressed us with their play-making abilities throughout the season. They also aren't the only rookie quarterback making a large impact on the game this season.
However, with four weeks left in the season, it is clear who will be honored with Rookie of the Year honors: Robert Griffin III.
If the NFL wanted to cop out and award Co-ROY honors, there wouldn't be many who would object. But the world isn't lollipops and gumdrops; someone has to decide. More importantly, is Andrew Luck the second best rookie quarterback in the league this year? There is a little known quarterback in the Northwest who is making a name for himself; a Big Ten product by the name of Russell Wilson.
Here are my Top 3 Rookies of the 2012 season:
3. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts
Yards aren't that impressive anymore.
Last year, when Drew Brees threw for over 5,400 yards, it was miraculous. So miraculous in fact that Tom Brady and Mathew Stafford wanted to join him in the 5,000 yard club. Luck has thrown for more yards this year (3,596) than most of the league, but he is sitting at a 76.1 QBR Rating and has one more touchdown than interceptions (17 TDs, 16 INTs).
Yes, he has been very impressive, including a come from behind victory against my Detroit Lions last week, and in any other year, he would be the Rookie of the Year without question. But this isn't any other year. He has played well but inefficiently, completing 55.5% of his passes. He's also played against a softer schedule than Wilson or Griffin (Opponent Record of 62-82) which has allowed the Colts to sneak to 8-4 despite ugly wins and ugly loses.
1. Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins
I haven't seen a more impressive rookie season for a quarterback in my lifetime (that includes Cam Newton last year). Given its 25 years of football, that's two generations of football fanatics. Griffin avoids making big mistakes with the composer of a veteran. He also is an ultimate dual threat quarterback, one that throws as good as Luck and runs as good as Michael Vick in a Atlanta Falcons uniform.
Patrick Tompkins
Patrick Tompkins, Yahoo! Contributor Network
Eight months ago in April, the NFL Draft couldn't get enough of Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Today, both rookies have led their teams to respectable records and have impressed us with their play-making abilities throughout the season. They also aren't the only rookie quarterback making a large impact on the game this season.
However, with four weeks left in the season, it is clear who will be honored with Rookie of the Year honors: Robert Griffin III.
If the NFL wanted to cop out and award Co-ROY honors, there wouldn't be many who would object. But the world isn't lollipops and gumdrops; someone has to decide. More importantly, is Andrew Luck the second best rookie quarterback in the league this year? There is a little known quarterback in the Northwest who is making a name for himself; a Big Ten product by the name of Russell Wilson.
Here are my Top 3 Rookies of the 2012 season:
3. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts
Yards aren't that impressive anymore.
Last year, when Drew Brees threw for over 5,400 yards, it was miraculous. So miraculous in fact that Tom Brady and Mathew Stafford wanted to join him in the 5,000 yard club. Luck has thrown for more yards this year (3,596) than most of the league, but he is sitting at a 76.1 QBR Rating and has one more touchdown than interceptions (17 TDs, 16 INTs).Yes, he has been very impressive, including a come from behind victory against my Detroit Lions last week, and in any other year, he would be the Rookie of the Year without question. But this isn't any other year. He has played well but inefficiently, completing 55.5% of his passes. He's also played against a softer schedule than Wilson or Griffin (Opponent Record of 62-82) which has allowed the Colts to sneak to 8-4 despite ugly wins and ugly loses.
1. Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins
I haven't seen a more impressive rookie season for a quarterback in my lifetime
(that includes Cam Newton last year). Given its 25 years of football, that's two generations of football fanatics. Griffin avoids making big mistakes with the composer of a veteran. He also is an ultimate dual threat quarterback, one that throws as good as Luck and runs as good as Michael Vick in a Atlanta Falcons uniform.-
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2013 NFL Rookie of the Year: SB Nation selects Robert Griffin III
By Joel Thorman on Dec 27, 12:05p 2
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SB Nation's NFL bloggers voted on year-end awards and RGIII, the Redskins quarterback, tops the list for Rookie of the Year.
Andrew Luck picked up the preseason Rookie of the Year award from SB Nation's NFL bloggers, but it was Redskins' Robert Griffin III who won the final vote as the NFL's Rookie of the Year. More than half of the participating bloggers chose RGIII over Russell Wilson, Luck and others.
It was a special year to be a quarterback, which means it was hard to stand out. But RGIII did just that. He completed over 66 percent of his passes (more than 10 percent better than Luck) and threw for 20 touchdowns to five interceptions. Add to that 752 rushing yards (so far) and six rushing touchdowns and you have yourself a Rookie of the Year season.
The most impressive part of RGIII's game has been that he has played his best when the Redskins' backs were against the wall. Sitting at 3-6 at one point, RGIII helped lead the Redskins to 9-6 entering Week 17. In each game of the winning streak (he played five of them while Kirk Cousins started one), RGIII's QB rating was over 100.
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The results: Robert Griffin III (15), Russell Wilson (8), Andrew Luck (4),
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By Joel Thorman on Dec 27, 12:05p 2
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SB Nation's NFL bloggers voted on year-end awards and RGIII, the Redskins quarterback, tops the list for Rookie of the Year.
Andrew Luck picked up the preseason Rookie of the Year award from SB Nation's NFL bloggers, but it was Redskins' Robert Griffin III who won the final vote as the NFL's Rookie of the Year. More than half of the participating bloggers chose RGIII over Russell Wilson, Luck and others.
It was a special year to be a quarterback, which means it was hard to stand out. But RGIII did just that. He completed over 66 percent of his passes (more than 10 percent better than Luck) and threw for 20 touchdowns to five interceptions. Add to that 752 rushing yards (so far) and six rushing touchdowns and you have yourself a Rookie of the Year season.
The most impressive part of RGIII's game has been that he has played his best when the Redskins' backs were against the wall. Sitting at 3-6 at one point, RGIII helped lead the Redskins to 9-6 entering Week 17. In each game of the winning streak (he played five of them while Kirk Cousins started one), RGIII's QB rating was over 100.
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The results: Robert Griffin III (15), Russell Wilson (8), Andrew Luck (4),
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I'm not a told you so guy. Who the fuck am I trying to kid? I've been swinging from Griffins junk since the draft.
He's like the Liberace of bass & pot.
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The question remains:
Will Gregg be rehashing his Pro Bowl excuses? ("Sham, popularity contest," etc.)
Or, will he be coming up with brand new excuses when RG3 takes home Rookie of the Year?
I'm guessing we'll get the Pro Bowl excuses again. I mean, what other angles are there here?
Will Gregg be rehashing his Pro Bowl excuses? ("Sham, popularity contest," etc.)
Or, will he be coming up with brand new excuses when RG3 takes home Rookie of the Year?
I'm guessing we'll get the Pro Bowl excuses again. I mean, what other angles are there here?
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Wow, who gives a flying fuck on individual awards. The Lombardi trophy is the only thing that matters. (Yeah, I know the Lions are my team and suck). BTW, my vote is for Wilson ( see my first statement ).
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Why RGIII Is Clear-Cut Favorite for NFL Rookie of the Year Award
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(Featured Columnist) on January 3, 2013
With three first-year quarterbacks experiencing unprecedented success in 2012, it becomes difficult to decipher who truly deserves the honors. Closer examination, however, reveals that Robert Griffin III is the clear-cut favorite for the NFL Rookie of the Year award.
Sure it's tough to ignore the fact that Andrew Luck passed for more yards than any rookie ever.
Obviously we can't discredit what Russell Wilson has done in such a short time in Seattle.
But the numbers don't lie.
And a thorough analysis of multiple factors will show why Robert Griffin III should be this year's NFL Rookie of the Year.
And only a complete analysis of the numbers will shed light on the fact that Robert Griffin III should be honored as this year's NFL Rookie of the Year.
His 815 yards and 7 touchdowns on the ground complement RG3's unbelievable completion percentage, average yards per attempt, and passer rating.
His rookie-low five interceptions make Russell Wilson (10) and Andrew Luck (18) look like turnover machines,
and Robert Griffin III's clutch performance on the biggest of stages has made many across the league forget what he truly is...A rookie.
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Really? The ONLY thing that matters?Redman77 wrote:Wow, who gives a flying fuck on individual awards. The Lombardi trophy is the only thing that matters. (Yeah, I know the Lions are my team and suck). BTW, my vote is for Wilson ( see my first statement ).
I don't know what the fuck you are complaining about. ALL THREE of those rookies up for the award are in the playoffs. That's a pretty good fucking start toward "the only thing that matters."
Christ it must suck to be a Lions fan.
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Bob Ryan from the Boston Globe was interviewed on The 590 yesterday. His breakdown for ROY was:(1) Russell Wilson (2)RGIII and (3) Andrew Luck.
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Wilson is a cute angle right now and the "hot choice," but in the end I can't imagine he wins it.alecjonsludge wrote:Bob Ryan from the Boston Globe was interviewed on The 590 yesterday. His breakdown for ROY was:(1) Russell Wilson (2)RGIII and (3) Andrew Luck.
RG3's numbers are the best of all three QBs, and putting that aside, voters will snap out of it and realize that even though Wilson has been great the 2nd half of the season, the award is for the ENTIRE season of play.
In the end it'll be RG3 #1, Wilson #2, and Luck #3.
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Robert Griffin III not on this Rookie of the Year list
By Adena Andrews | CBS Sports
January 2, 2013 2:28 pm ET
At the start of the season it seemed the Rookie of the Year honor was guaranteed to go to a braided quarterback in burgundy and yellow. As the season progressed, more candidates revealed themselves and Robert Griffin III didn't seem like such a shoo-in for the award. According to our panel, while Griffin is deserving of the award, he's not the top pick. Here are their choices:
Phil Simms' pick – Andrew Luck
Coming in as a rookie behind the great Peyton Manning and being expected to save a franchise is quite a tall order to fill. However, Luck took it in stride, threw for a rookie record 433 yards in a game and never missed a beat while leading the Colts to a No. 5 playoff seed with an 11-5 record. “What he was asked to do was so much harder than the other two QBs,” Simms said. “It was on him and it was about developing him and making him the star.”
Rich Gannon's pick - Russell Wilson
Rich was torn in this pick but ultimately came up with Wilson as the ROY. The Seahawks quarterback fell to the third round of the draft and was doubted due to his height. Fast forward to the end of the season, and he has 26 TD passes (more than Luck and Griffin) and is sharing ROY talk with two first-round stars. “He's been a playmaker all season for the Seattle Seahawks,” Gannon said. “I like the way this guy avoids pressure and continues to keep his eyes down the field. I think he's had a terrific season. If I had to vote today it would be Russell Wilson.”
Steve Beuerlein's pick – Luck
Although RG3 and Wilson are deserving of this honor, Steve said, he felt it should go to Luck. On the road to helping his team overcome multiple setbacks, Luck threw an NFL rookie-record 339 completions as well as 23 TD passes. “No one took the Colts seriously at all this year as being a threat with a new quarterback and new coach.” Beuerlein said. “How he's really had to carry that ball club I think he deserves [the award] more than the other two, who are very deserving as well.”
By Adena Andrews | CBS Sports
January 2, 2013 2:28 pm ET
At the start of the season it seemed the Rookie of the Year honor was guaranteed to go to a braided quarterback in burgundy and yellow. As the season progressed, more candidates revealed themselves and Robert Griffin III didn't seem like such a shoo-in for the award. According to our panel, while Griffin is deserving of the award, he's not the top pick. Here are their choices:
Phil Simms' pick – Andrew Luck
Coming in as a rookie behind the great Peyton Manning and being expected to save a franchise is quite a tall order to fill. However, Luck took it in stride, threw for a rookie record 433 yards in a game and never missed a beat while leading the Colts to a No. 5 playoff seed with an 11-5 record. “What he was asked to do was so much harder than the other two QBs,” Simms said. “It was on him and it was about developing him and making him the star.”
Rich Gannon's pick - Russell Wilson
Rich was torn in this pick but ultimately came up with Wilson as the ROY. The Seahawks quarterback fell to the third round of the draft and was doubted due to his height. Fast forward to the end of the season, and he has 26 TD passes (more than Luck and Griffin) and is sharing ROY talk with two first-round stars. “He's been a playmaker all season for the Seattle Seahawks,” Gannon said. “I like the way this guy avoids pressure and continues to keep his eyes down the field. I think he's had a terrific season. If I had to vote today it would be Russell Wilson.”
Steve Beuerlein's pick – Luck
Although RG3 and Wilson are deserving of this honor, Steve said, he felt it should go to Luck. On the road to helping his team overcome multiple setbacks, Luck threw an NFL rookie-record 339 completions as well as 23 TD passes. “No one took the Colts seriously at all this year as being a threat with a new quarterback and new coach.” Beuerlein said. “How he's really had to carry that ball club I think he deserves [the award] more than the other two, who are very deserving as well.”
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It's close, but Luck deserves Offensive ROY; Kuechly is top defender
By Matt Williamson | ESPN.com
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Russell Wilson was No. 1 on this list the past two weeks, but the space between Wilson, Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III has been minimal of late.
All three are fantastic quarterback prospects. In fact, they are all already excellent NFL quarterbacks -- even when comparing them to the veterans starting in the league. In the end, I chose Luck as my NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year by the narrowest of margins over Wilson and Griffin. Why? Because I thought he finished the regular season stronger in Week 17 than the other two, and because I feel that more was asked of Luck from the start.
By Matt Williamson | ESPN.com
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Russell Wilson was No. 1 on this list the past two weeks, but the space between Wilson, Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III has been minimal of late.
All three are fantastic quarterback prospects. In fact, they are all already excellent NFL quarterbacks -- even when comparing them to the veterans starting in the league. In the end, I chose Luck as my NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year by the narrowest of margins over Wilson and Griffin. Why? Because I thought he finished the regular season stronger in Week 17 than the other two, and because I feel that more was asked of Luck from the start.
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Re: Let the ROY voting begin
Levy and his bitch dtmfs are getting worried.
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Re: Let the ROY voting begin
pffft.
My articles are better than your articles.
Deep down, you KNOW you are gonna lose this thing.
17 INTs and losing in EVERY significant stat besides yards, which nobody cares about anymore anyway.
My articles are better than your articles.
Deep down, you KNOW you are gonna lose this thing.
17 INTs and losing in EVERY significant stat besides yards, which nobody cares about anymore anyway.
Re: Let the ROY voting begin
No, I am realistic in knowing that it could go either way, but I am still confident that Luck will win it. Plenty of people have echoed my exact sentiments on why Luck should win it. Plenty of people also share my belief that someone running a college offense shouldn't win a professional award.Crazy Levi wrote:pffft.
My articles are better than your articles.
Deep down, you KNOW you are gonna lose this thing.
17 INTs and losing in EVERY significant stat besides yards, which nobody cares about anymore anyway.
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Re: Let the ROY voting begin
Luminiferous wrote:"Nicholas Goss is an NHL and Boston Bruins featured columnist for Bleacher Report, and was the organization's on-site reporter for the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals in Boston. He is also a member of B/R's breaking news team."poizond13 wrote:Andrew Luck: Colts QB Is Clear Choice for Offensive Rookie of the Year
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Nicholas Goss
(Featured Columnist) on December 30, 2012
"Again, he's not going to win it, even though he should."poizond13 wrote:Look at all the people saying Luck should win the ROY. Levy and dtmfs heads are spinning. They're sweating bullets because they know what's coming.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2012/12/28/ ... f-the-year
Stampede Blue, an Indianapolis Colts community
Sounds like a buncha little Greg's over there..
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Re: Let the ROY voting begin
Crazy Levi wrote:Really? The ONLY thing that matters?Redman77 wrote:Wow, who gives a flying fuck on individual awards. The Lombardi trophy is the only thing that matters. (Yeah, I know the Lions are my team and suck). BTW, my vote is for Wilson ( see my first statement ).
I don't know what the fuck you are complaining about. ALL THREE of those rookies up for the award are in the playoffs. That's a pretty good fucking start toward "the only thing that matters."
Christ it must suck to be a Lions fan.
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Re: Let the ROY voting begin
Because I thought he finished the regular season stronger in Week 17 than the other two
, what a way to decide an award. This guys acting like Luck threw for 5 TD's in the final game while Wilson and Griffing were Luck-like pick machines, and Yet He dosent bother bringing up the entire stats that clearly Show Griffin and Wilson were far more efficient and superior statistacally damn near across the boards, Please don't let this douche have a vote, This guy would probably vote Jake Plummer in the HOF.-
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Re: Let the ROY voting begin
NFL Rookie Meter: RG3, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Luke Kuechly Lead Historic Class From 2012 Draft
By Kevin Fishbain, Pro Football Weekly
We had a rarity in the 2012 draft, with two highly touted, extremely talented quarterbacks coming off the board with the top two overall picks. Both quarterbacks were expected to turn their respective franchises around, and unlike top picks in the past, it was difficult to pinpoint many negatives with either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III.
What made the pair, and this entire rookie class so exceptional was that the lofty expectations were not only met, but exceeded. Luck, Griffin and third-round rookie Russell Wilson all led their teams to the playoffs, as this could go down as the greatest rookie QB class of all-time.
On defense, the linebackers stole the show, with Luke Kuechly, Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David asserting themselves as tackle and playmaking machines. Packers CB Casey Hayward stepped in as one of the best corners in the league. While the analytic folks will discount tackles, a closer look at Kuechly’s numbers, consistency and what he meant to Carolina's defense give him the nod as the top defensive rookie on this season-ending Rookie Meter.
And how can we forget Vikings PK Blair Walsh, who set an NFL record for most made field goals from 50 or more yards in a season, and kicked the Vikings into a surprising playoff berth. Sixth-round rookie Greg "The Leg" Zuerlein wasn't too shabby as well, especially from long range.
In the end, though, it’s all about RG3, who began the year No. 2 on the Rookie Meter, just behind Luck, and led the ’Skins to seven wins in a row to close a playoff season — and it’s not done yet. Seven of the 10 rookies on the final Rookie Meter will be on performing in the postseason tournament.
Below is my ballot for the PFW/PFWA All-Rookie Team, followed by the final Rookie Meter of 2012.
Offense
QB: Robert Griffin III
RB: Alfred Morris
RB: Doug Martin
WR: Justin Blackmon
WR: T.Y. Hilton
TE: Dwayne Allen
OT: Matt Kalil
OT: Mitchell Schwartz
OG: Kevin Zeitler
OG: Amini Silatolu
C: Peter Konz
By Kevin Fishbain, Pro Football Weekly
We had a rarity in the 2012 draft, with two highly touted, extremely talented quarterbacks coming off the board with the top two overall picks. Both quarterbacks were expected to turn their respective franchises around, and unlike top picks in the past, it was difficult to pinpoint many negatives with either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III.
What made the pair, and this entire rookie class so exceptional was that the lofty expectations were not only met, but exceeded. Luck, Griffin and third-round rookie Russell Wilson all led their teams to the playoffs, as this could go down as the greatest rookie QB class of all-time.
On defense, the linebackers stole the show, with Luke Kuechly, Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David asserting themselves as tackle and playmaking machines. Packers CB Casey Hayward stepped in as one of the best corners in the league. While the analytic folks will discount tackles, a closer look at Kuechly’s numbers, consistency and what he meant to Carolina's defense give him the nod as the top defensive rookie on this season-ending Rookie Meter.
And how can we forget Vikings PK Blair Walsh, who set an NFL record for most made field goals from 50 or more yards in a season, and kicked the Vikings into a surprising playoff berth. Sixth-round rookie Greg "The Leg" Zuerlein wasn't too shabby as well, especially from long range.
In the end, though, it’s all about RG3, who began the year No. 2 on the Rookie Meter, just behind Luck, and led the ’Skins to seven wins in a row to close a playoff season — and it’s not done yet. Seven of the 10 rookies on the final Rookie Meter will be on performing in the postseason tournament.
Below is my ballot for the PFW/PFWA All-Rookie Team, followed by the final Rookie Meter of 2012.
Offense
QB: Robert Griffin III
RB: Alfred Morris
RB: Doug Martin
WR: Justin Blackmon
WR: T.Y. Hilton
TE: Dwayne Allen
OT: Matt Kalil
OT: Mitchell Schwartz
OG: Kevin Zeitler
OG: Amini Silatolu
C: Peter Konz
Re: Let the ROY voting begin
Skip to around 3:50 of this interview to find out why Luck is the ROY. Hint: it's exactly what I've been saying all year.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8796005
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8796005
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Re: Let the ROY voting begin
Nobody cares about passer rating, INTs, turnovers, completion percentage, yards per attempt, or rushing yards (or any of the other stats RG3 dominates Andrew Leaf in), and the only thing that matters is total passing yards in an era where that's really no great accomplishment?poizond13 wrote:Skip to around 3:50 of this interview to find out why Luck is the ROY. Hint: it's exactly what I've been saying all year.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8796005
No thanks...I've already been hearing one idiot say that all year, why would I listen to some bullshit ESPN hack say the same thing?
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Re: Let the ROY voting begin
Using the "logic" that Luck should be RotY because he threw for more yards than any other rookie QB must also mean that Drew Brees is MVP because he threw for more yards than any QB period. Hey, why consider TDs, INTs, completion percentage, or QB rating...it's all about passing yards, right? Anyone trying to make a case for Luck getting the award based on this "reasoning" is beyond fucking stupid.
Re: Let the ROY voting begin
Yards are not the only reasoning. Listen to the audio above, then get back to me.SkyDog112046 wrote:Using the "logic" that Luck should be RotY because he threw for more yards than any other rookie QB must also mean that Drew Brees is MVP because he threw for more yards than any QB period. Hey, why consider TDs, INTs, completion percentage, or QB rating...it's all about passing yards, right? Anyone trying to make a case for Luck getting the award based on this "reasoning" is beyond fucking stupid.
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