The NFL Thread

[Machado]

Who cares?

Wild-card teams headed for a beat down amidst a coaching controversy with a qb who leads the league in turnovers and can't hit 50 percent in completions don't interest me.

You are trolling hard, boy. Coaching controversy? Really? Just more proof of how pathetic you are.

On a side note, the ROY race is down to two players: Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson. I respect what Wilson has done, he's definitely impressive and a worthy candidate. But I think voters will look at the fact that Wilson has a top ranked defense and running game on his side. Luck has neither, and he was brought in to a 2-14 team. That will not be lost on the voters.

I can't believe you are choosing to side with your player, from your team, versus another player in the league.

[Crazy Levi]

Rg3 - playing nowhere near 100 percent - had better numbers than Andrew Leaf, just like he has EVERY WEEK of the season.

I'll admit to being incredibly impressed by the play of Wilson. He's taking everyone by surprise and deserves to be mentioned in the ROY conversation.

Looking at the Redskins possible playoff future - if they win the East, looks like its Seattle at home. Scary. At least it's not In Seattle - Both of the Redskins last playoff runs have ended in Seattle.

[Machado]

Rg3 - playing nowhere near 100 percent - had better numbers than Andrew Leaf, just like he has EVERY WEEK of the season.

I'll admit to being incredibly impressed by the play of Wilson. He's taking everyone by surprise and deserves to be mentioned in the ROY conversation.

Looking at the Redskins possible playoff future - if they win the East, looks like its Seattle at home. Scary. At least it's not In Seattle - Both of the Redskins last playoff runs have ended in Seattle.

Levi
What happens if Redskins lose on Sunday vs Dallas?
I know Dallas wins the division with a victory.

Can the Skins still make the playoffs with a loss and a lot of help or
are they also in a win or nothing position?

[Crazy Levi]

If the bears and Vikings lose, redskins would clinch at least number 6 seed (wild card at Seattle or 49ers) before taking the field on Sunday night.

Giants Need a ton of help. Bears need help as well.

Giants need Skins to win, Vikings and bears to lose, and they have to beat the Eagles. I'm not sure they'll even do that. Vick will be starting next week, foles' hand is broken.

Cowboys need division title to go.

[sin]

Rg3 - playing nowhere near 100 percent - had better numbers than Andrew Leaf, just like he has EVERY WEEK of the season.

I'll admit to being incredibly impressed by the play of Wilson. He's taking everyone by surprise and deserves to be mentioned in the ROY conversation.

Looking at the Redskins possible playoff future - if they win the East, looks like its Seattle at home. Scary. At least it's not In Seattle - Both of the Redskins last playoff runs have ended in Seattle.

That would be a hell of a game. Both teams have a lot in common minus the whole defense thing.

[Machado]

If the bears and Vikings lose, redskins would clinch at least number 6 seed (wild card at Seattle or 49ers) before taking the field on Sunday night.

Giants Need a ton of help. Bears need help as well.

Giants need Skins to win, Vikings and bears to lose, and they have to beat the Eagles. I'm not sure they'll even do that. Vick will be starting next week, foles' hand is broken.

Cowboys need division title to go.

That's right, Skins could very well know their own fate before the game on Sunday night
kicks off. Interesting.
I was aware of the Dallas situation, but was not certain if the Skins could make the playoffs with a loss.
I just read that with a loss, the Redskins could make the playoffs as long as both the Vikes & Bears also lose on Sunday.

Previous 2 games Dallas has played in a winner take all situation, they have lost
both the games by a wide margin.
Once to Philly and once to Giants. Both games on the road as well.

[poizond13]

Even Nick Foles out did RGLeaf yesterday, throwing for about 150 more yards. There are quite a few rookies this year that are better than RGLeaf. One interesting stat is that Andrew Luck has thrown for over 1,000 more yards than Leaf. ONE THOUSAND.

[Luminiferous]

Even Nick Foles out did RGLeaf yesterday, throwing for about 150 more yards. There are quite a few rookies this year that are better than RGLeaf. One interesting stat is that Andrew Luck has thrown for over 1,000 more yards than Leaf. ONE THOUSAND.

At one point in struggling to defeat the worst team in the NFL yesterday, Luck went 1 of 13.... ONE of thirteen??

Noticed Luck is tied with Brees for first in most interceptions thrown..

[bigbuttskinner]

Highest Total QBR by a rookie this season- RG III 71.1, Russell Wilson 70, Andrew Luck 64.6

Which as we were told by P13, doesn't matter unless it does matter.

[SkyDog112046]

INTianapolis
18 picks

[Crazy Levi]

INTianapolis
18 picks

I like that. I'd also accept 50percentanapolis.

[bigbuttskinner]

Turnoverapolis
Overratedapolis
Fuckchuckpagonoapilis

[poizond13]

Charley Casserly, long time NFL general manager, says Andrew Luck will win the Rookie of the Year award:


"You can name any one of them and be right. You can argue Washington Redskins running back Alfred Morris should be in the discussion too. He has been the one constant in the Redskins' offense this year -- remember, Griffin missed one game and did not finish two others. Morris has a good chance to break the Redskins' single season rushing record in Week 17.

I am going with Andrew Luck. He has lead his team to a 10-5 record, which is the same number of wins as Seattle and one more than Washington. Luck has had seven fourth-quarter comebacks, which fall squarely on his shoulders. He has won these games with less talent around him than either of the other two quarterbacks. He does not have a great defense and rushing attack. (Seattle does.) He doesn't have the top rushing offense. (Washington does.)

Yes, Luck has thrown a high number of interceptions (18). Some of that is due to bad decisions, but in his offense he is asked to throw downfield more than the other two quarterbacks. I don't penalize him as much for that, since he is doing this without the benefit of a top rushing attack that sets up the play action and bootleg game."

[sin]

Yeah, in the same article different so called experts also made a point why the other two should get it.

P-13 you know I don't have the hate toward you that some of the others do. Luck was hyped as the most NFL ready QB ever pretty much. He comes to almost the same team that Manning took to the playoffs in his last year, and then people act surprised when Luck does good?

As a Seattle fan I can make a good argument for Wilson too, but RGIII takes over a team that has sucked for years upon years and they make the playoff's. The only negative I can say about him is that he has missed some games.

Whoever gets it deserves to get it. But Luck is not far and above either of the other two. It would be like me and Neversurrender arguing over what player is more important Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson. It's very subjective.

[dtmfs]

Charley Casserly, long time NFL general manager, says Andrew Luck will win the Rookie of the Year award:


"You can name any one of them and be right. You can argue Washington Redskins running back Alfred Morris should be in the discussion too. He has been the one constant in the Redskins' offense this year -- remember, Griffin missed one game and did not finish two others. Morris has a good chance to break the Redskins' single season rushing record in Week 17.

I am going with Andrew Luck. He has lead his team to a 10-5 record, which is the same number of wins as Seattle and one more than Washington. Luck has had seven fourth-quarter comebacks, which fall squarely on his shoulders. He has won these games with less talent around him than either of the other two quarterbacks. He does not have a great defense and rushing attack. (Seattle does.) He doesn't have the top rushing offense. (Washington does.)

Yes, Luck has thrown a high number of interceptions (18). Some of that is due to bad decisions, but in his offense he is asked to throw downfield more than the other two quarterbacks. I don't penalize him as much for that, since he is doing this without the benefit of a top rushing attack that sets up the play action and bootleg game."

If He wasent a turnover machine He'd deserve to be in the discussion with RG3 and Wilson, but He's a fucking turnover machine and his team wouldn't have to comeback if.....He didn't throw it to the guys in the other jerseys so fucking much.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Broncos <3

That is all.

[bane]

Charley Casserly, long time NFL general manager, says Andrew Luck will win the Rookie of the Year award:


"You can name any one of them and be right. You can argue Washington Redskins running back Alfred Morris should be in the discussion too. He has been the one constant in the Redskins' offense this year -- remember, Griffin missed one game and did not finish two others. Morris has a good chance to break the Redskins' single season rushing record in Week 17.

I am going with Andrew Luck. He has lead his team to a 10-5 record, which is the same number of wins as Seattle and one more than Washington. Luck has had seven fourth-quarter comebacks, which fall squarely on his shoulders. He has won these games with less talent around him than either of the other two quarterbacks. He does not have a great defense and rushing attack. (Seattle does.) He doesn't have the top rushing offense. (Washington does.)

Yes, Luck has thrown a high number of interceptions (18). Some of that is due to bad decisions, but in his offense he is asked to throw downfield more than the other two quarterbacks. I don't penalize him as much for that, since he is doing this without the benefit of a top rushing attack that sets up the play action and bootleg game."

Charley Casserly drafted David Carr. He also signed him to an extension and blew every single free agent signing under his regime. He is singly responsible for the 6 years that the Texan franchise did absolutely nothing that you love to point out so often. Casserly is a fucking moron.

[Crazy Levi]

Yeah, I saw Casserly's work with the Redskins after Bethard left for the Chargers, and it wasn't pretty. Whatever, P13 has been posting stupid shit like that all year. Here's some RG3 nutriding...from the EXACT SAME ARTICLE that P13 cherry picked from. I don't know who the fuck Greg Rosenthal is but he's got to be smarter than Casserly. He never traded draft picks so he could select Desmond Howard in the first round.





Gregg Rosenthal NFL.com
Hands down, RG3 should win over Luck and Wilson

First things first: Any one of the quarterbacks easily would win the award in a normal season. With that out of the way, I don't think this race should be close. Robert Griffin III has been the most consistent, steady, explosive force since Week 1. I already spent 1,000 words on this topic, but here's the short version:

Voting for Russell Wilson basically requires ignoring the first half of the season. The Seahawks' offense was hiding him. He was far, far down the list of reasons they were winning. Pete Carroll admitted it. Andrew Luck was my pick through the first half of the year, but he has struggled with accuracy for at least five weeks. All of the hits he's taken are adding up. Griffin missed one start, but he's been a top-10 NFL quarterback since the day he stepped on the field. He deserves the award.

[NeverSurrender]

Who is going to be defensive rookie of the year?

[sin]

I already acknowledged the article, but since were all quoting from it. Here is everyone's least favorite expert Adam Rank and his opinion.

"Funny, just a few weeks ago, I was ready to give the award to Andrew Luck. But Russell Wilson is clearly the Offensive Rookie of the Year right now.

Let's not take away what Luck and Robert Griffin III have done. The Colts are already in the playoffs, and the Redskins control their own destiny. But both teams likely are done after the first round. Wilson has not only led his team to the playoffs, but his Seahawks are the hottest team in the NFL right now and might even be poised for a long postseason run. In fact, they are my pick in the NFC at the moment.

A lot of the credit belongs to Wilson. He not only overcame the odds of being a third-round draft pick -- and getting selected behind Brandon Weeden, Ryan Tannehill, Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles -- but he also had to beat out Matt Flynn, who signed a big free-agent deal with Seattle in the offseason.

Forget just the rookie talk: Wilson might be the best quarterback in football right now, and HE SHOULD START TO SNEAK INTO THE MVP CONVERSATION."

[Crazy Levi]

So why did E(x)cuses 13 post this again?

Does he really think nobody here is going to figure out where it came from? I google "RG3 Rookie of the Year" every other fucking day just like he does with Luck. We are all reading the same shit.
He's really the most useless poster here - by far. Why?

Because he's disingenuous. He's insincere. He knows he's trolling, and it takes all the fun out of arguing with him.

Every single other person here is OPPOSITE of that. You know their motivations come from the same place yours do, and it makes the conversation interesting.

Don't you want to be interesting Gregg? Or is it just more fun being a one-note troll?

[poizond13]

So why did E(x)cuses 13 post this again?

Does he really think nobody here is going to figure out where it came from? I google "RG3 Rookie of the Year" every other fucking day just like he does with Luck. We are all reading the same shit.
He's really the most useless poster here - by far. Why?

Because he's disingenuous. He's insincere. He knows he's trolling, and it takes all the fun out of arguing with him.

Every single other person here is OPPOSITE of that. You know their motivations come from the same place yours do, and it makes the conversation interesting.

Don't you want to be interesting Gregg? Or is it just more fun being a one-note troll?

Levy, the only troll here is you. I am not disingenuous, in fact I am the opposite. From day one my integrity as a poster speaks for itself. I don't flip flop on issues like you. I don't flip flop on my own team like you have done numerous times. I stand by every opinion and statement I've ever made on here, even if I was wrong at the time. I can admit I've been wrong before. That's not going to stop me from still posting my honest predictions and thoughts of what is happening at the moment.

Take the QBR stat, for one thing. I have said from day one, it's important. When Luck was #1, I said it was important. When Luck dropped some in the ranking and fell behind RG3, I still said it's important. I didn't flip flop, unlike you. In the beginning of the year you said it was a useless stat that meant nothing. Now that RG3 is ahead of Luck, you think it's the most important stat out there. That's a lack of integrity.

I'm not a troll. I don't know what else to tell you. All my opinions are my own. If you choose to not believe me and continue to accuse me of trolling, that will be further proof that you are the troll.

As for the article in question, 2 out of 4 writers chose Luck as the ROY. RGLeaf and Wilson each had one writer in favor of them. That is, in all likelihood, how the actual ROY voting will go. Those who favor running style QBs will split their votes between RGLeaf and Wilson. Those who favor traditional pocket passers, and QB's who throw for a prolific amount of yards, will vote for Luck.

[poizond13]

I already acknowledged the article, but since were all quoting from it. Here is everyone's least favorite expert Adam Rank and his opinion.

"Funny, just a few weeks ago, I was ready to give the award to Andrew Luck. But Russell Wilson is clearly the Offensive Rookie of the Year right now.

Let's not take away what Luck and Robert Griffin III have done. The Colts are already in the playoffs, and the Redskins control their own destiny. But both teams likely are done after the first round. Wilson has not only led his team to the playoffs, but his Seahawks are the hottest team in the NFL right now and might even be poised for a long postseason run. In fact, they are my pick in the NFC at the moment.

A lot of the credit belongs to Wilson. He not only overcame the odds of being a third-round draft pick -- and getting selected behind Brandon Weeden, Ryan Tannehill, Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles -- but he also had to beat out Matt Flynn, who signed a big free-agent deal with Seattle in the offseason.

Forget just the rookie talk: Wilson might be the best quarterback in football right now, and HE SHOULD START TO SNEAK INTO THE MVP CONVERSATION."

Hey man, like I said, I like and respect what Wilson is doing. He started the year as a backup and earned the starting job during training camp and pre-season. I'd imagine Seahawks fans couldn't be happier about what he's done. But as others have said, he did start out slow. For a couple games, some people were wondering if Flynn should get the nod. And he has a ton of help with a top ranked running game and defense, which lessens the pressure he has on his shoulders.

The Colts' entire game plan revolves around Luck. If he doesn't make plays, we simply wouldn't win many games. It's a vertical, down field offense. He doesn't have the luxury of a great defense or running game, and he's working behind a horrible offensive line and a bunch of young receivers other than Wayne. So to me, what he's done is the most impressive out of all the rookie QBs.

[Facedown]

I'm not a troll.

Yes you are. Everybody that posts in here knows it.
Constantly saying you aren't either means your lying (ding, ding, ding)
or you're delusional and mentally ill.

I'm gonna post a lot. And I'll do it just to piss off you

[Crazy Levi]

Take the QBR stat, for one thing. I have said from day one, it's important. When Luck was #1, I said it was important. When Luck dropped some in the ranking and fell behind RG3, I still said it's important. I didn't flip flop, unlike you. In the beginning of the year you said it was a useless stat that meant nothing. Now that RG3 is ahead of Luck, you think it's the most important stat out there. That's a lack of integrity.

No, that's a joke. You seriously have NO sense of humor, and you take everything literally.

I don't give two fucks about QBR. But apparently you do. So I thought it was a good idea to point out Luck is plummeting while RG3 is staying in the top 6. And I'll continue to do it, because it's funny that Luck falls a spot or two EVERY WEEK, and that you apparently have ZERO interest in Total QBR these days. That's a lack of integrity.

I actually prefer passer rating.

RG3 is the #2 rated passer in the entire NFL. I have no idea where Luck is but I have a hunch he ain't #1.

[poizond13]

I don't give two fucks about QBR. But apparently you do. So I thought it was a good idea to point out Luck is plummeting while RG3 is staying in the top 6. And I'll continue to do it, because it's funny that Luck falls a spot or two EVERY WEEK.

Finally you admit to trolling.

[Crazy Levi]

Merry Christmas Everyone.....Including P13!!!

Seconded!

[Crazy Levi]

I don't give two fucks about QBR. But apparently you do. So I thought it was a good idea to point out Luck is plummeting while RG3 is staying in the top 6. And I'll continue to do it, because it's funny that Luck falls a spot or two EVERY WEEK.

Finally you admit to trolling.

Sure do. Every single post I make - directed to you - is trolling. Enjoy posting that over and over again, as if anybody gives a shit. You are a troll, and you deserve none better.

[poizond13]

Merry Christmas Everyone.....Including P13!!!

Same to you man!

[poizond13]

I don't give two fucks about QBR. But apparently you do. So I thought it was a good idea to point out Luck is plummeting while RG3 is staying in the top 6. And I'll continue to do it, because it's funny that Luck falls a spot or two EVERY WEEK.

Finally you admit to trolling.

Sure do. Every single post I make - directed to you - is trolling. Enjoy posting that over and over again, as if anybody gives a shit. You are a troll, and you deserve none better.

Now that you've admitted to trolling, your empty accusations toward me mean nothing. Scratch that, your empty accusations never meant anything.