NFL 2011 Thread

[Crazy Levi]

Poizowned is an idiot.

That was a great move by the Skins.

2012 NFL Free Agency: Washington Redskins Strike First Again, Overpay WR Pierre Garcon

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.co ... ngton.html

I've watched every game Garcon has played in. He has blazing speed. He doesn't have great hands. He is not a great route runner. So far, he's a one dimensional player. NOT a #1 receiver, yet. You won't find too many people that don't agree that the Skins' overpaid.

John Clayton just called the Redskins "early winners" in free agency, bringing in Josh Morgan and Garcon, AND working on Eddie Royal to bring weapons for RG3. Also complimented them on re-signing DE Carriker.

Called it "a good day" for the Skins.

Didn't have anything to say about the Colts, however.

[poizond13]

Poizowned is an idiot.

That was a great move by the Skins.

2012 NFL Free Agency: Washington Redskins Strike First Again, Overpay WR Pierre Garcon

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.co ... ngton.html

I've watched every game Garcon has played in. He has blazing speed. He doesn't have great hands. He is not a great route runner. So far, he's a one dimensional player. NOT a #1 receiver, yet. You won't find too many people that don't agree that the Skins' overpaid.

John Clayton just called the Redskins "early winners" in free agency, bringing in Josh Morgan and Garcon, AND working on Eddie Royal to bring weapons for RG3. Also complimented them on re-signing DE Carriker.

Called it "a good day" for the Skins.

Didn't have anything to say about the Colts, however.

Yeah, real "winners." They overpaid for three WRs, none of which are a true #1. Just more of the same from the skins; their overpaying in March will lead to them not playing in January.

[Crazy Levi]

Just months ago you were blowing Garcon, now you think he sucks.

Same old shit from the stupidest bandwagoneer around.

Enjoy watching Wayne's production #s plunge faster than A Different Kind of Truth sales figures.

34 next season

That's smart rebuilding. Get rid of the young guy with potential and keep the old guy hanging around for one last paycheck.

Goddamn it's been nothing but pain for you since Peyton threw that pick 6 in the Super Bowl.

Admit it...could you ever picture this shit just 2 short years later? Apparently not

Peyton will not be released, ever. He'll finish his career as a Colt. When he returns, it will be as a Colt. Colts management have already stated that numerous times. If you believe anything other than that, you're an idiot.

[Tommy]

Poizowned is an idiot.

That was a great move by the Skins.

2012 NFL Free Agency: Washington Redskins Strike First Again, Overpay WR Pierre Garcon

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.co ... ngton.html

I've watched every game Garcon has played in. He has blazing speed. He doesn't have great hands. He is not a great route runner. So far, he's a one dimensional player. NOT a #1 receiver, yet. You won't find too many people that don't agree that the Skins' overpaid.

Well if the National Football Authority says so who am I to argue?

[poizond13]

My biggest fear was that the Skins would go after an aging and overpaid WR like Wayne or Vjax.

I'm THRILLED that the Skins went for Garcon. He's only 25 and is entering his prime, unlike 33-year old Wayne who is well past it.

The Skins have had 2 excellent offseasons in a row and for the first time in a long time they are on the way back.

RG3 to Garcon is going to become an institution in this league.

By the time the Colts get rolling again, Wayne will be retired. Still, nice to keep him around for sentimental reasons I guess. Seems like he'd be better off finishing his career with a winner though.



LOL at Wayne is "a little older" than Garcon. He's thirty fucking three - 8 years older!! Many NFL careers don't even last that long.

You really have lost it Greggie.

And yet, Wayne still had more yards than Garcon last year, despite having not nearly as much speed as him. What does that tell you?

Garcon is inconsistent at best, careless and unfocused at worst. He had a drop in the Super Bowl that was absolutely key, one that I'll never forget. Unfortunately, that's how I will remember him as a Colt. I never see him becoming more than a semi-decent deep threat, which is basically what he is now. Too unreliable, not consistent enough. Skins overpaid, but that's nothing new.

Reggie is not in his 20s anymore. He's not a deep threat. But he's a solid receiver that Luck can count on to catch the ball. He'll act as Luck's security blanket. A rookie QB needs that. He doesn't need a guy like Garcon who may or may not catch the ball. Reggie is also a great leader and he will be much needed in that locker room.

[Crazy Levi]

Poizowned is an idiot.

That was a great move by the Skins.

2012 NFL Free Agency: Washington Redskins Strike First Again, Overpay WR Pierre Garcon

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.co ... ngton.html

I've watched every game Garcon has played in. He has blazing speed. He doesn't have great hands. He is not a great route runner. So far, he's a one dimensional player. NOT a #1 receiver, yet. You won't find too many people that don't agree that the Skins' overpaid.

Well if the National Football Authority says so who am I to argue?

Don't fuck with the NFA man!

[Tommy]

Don't fuck with the NFA man!

I'd be crazy to. They're the goddamn authority for fuck's sake!

[poizond13]

Just months ago you were blowing Garcon, now you think he sucks.

Same old shit from the stupidest bandwagoneer around.

Enjoy watching Wayne's production #s plunge faster than A Different Kind of Truth sales figures.

34 next season

That's smart rebuilding. Get rid of the young guy with potential and keep the old guy hanging around for one last paycheck.

Goddamn it's been nothing but pain for you since Peyton threw that pick 6 in the Super Bowl.

Admit it...could you ever picture this shit just 2 short years later? Apparently not

Peyton will not be released, ever. He'll finish his career as a Colt. When he returns, it will be as a Colt. Colts management have already stated that numerous times. If you believe anything other than that, you're an idiot.

I give Ryan Grigson credit on this one. He wanted Garcon back, but he was not going to overpay for him. He was not going to give him a bad contract like the Redskins did. This is why teams that spend big $$ in free agency usually do not win in January. You tend to overpay for players and give them much more than they're worth.

And I never said Garcon sucks, nor did I ever say he was an amazing player. Your simple mind just cannot understand logic. I am saying now what I have always said about him: he's a fast receiver who has potential. But he played several years with the best QB in the game and didn't manage to realize his potential, so I don't see him improving with a rookie QB. I think he'll continue to rely on his speed and continue to be a one dimensional player. Hopefully, for the Redskins sake, he can reduce his drop rate. I wish him the best.

[Facedown]

But he played several years with the best QB in the game

No, he didn't.

[poizond13]

Poizowned is an idiot.

That was a great move by the Skins.

2012 NFL Free Agency: Washington Redskins Strike First Again, Overpay WR Pierre Garcon

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.co ... ngton.html

I've watched every game Garcon has played in. He has blazing speed. He doesn't have great hands. He is not a great route runner. So far, he's a one dimensional player. NOT a #1 receiver, yet. You won't find too many people that don't agree that the Skins' overpaid.

Well if the National Football Authority says so who am I to argue?

How about CBS Sports?

None of Garcon, Morgan and Royal are true No. 1 wideouts. They're "WR3" guys with "WR2" upside, depending on the situation. And all have been inconsistent or dealt with serious injury.

But it wouldn't be the offseason if the Redskins weren't overpaying at the start of free agency.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-o ... h-redskins

[Crazy Levi]

But he played several years with the best QB in the game and didn't manage to realize his potential, so I don't see him improving with a rookie QB. I think he'll continue to rely on his speed and continue to be a one dimensional player. Hopefully, for the Redskins sake, he can reduce his drop rate. I wish him the best.

His production has gotten better EVERY SEASON of his short career, and he had Curtis Painter last year, who most wouldn't call "best in the game."

Still, you are being pretty gracious - by p13 standards - so I'll just leave it at this: I'm very happy about this signing, especially considering most Skins fans (who are a pretty stupid bunch) were clamoring for Vincent Jackson. I'm very happy with this offseason so far.

Just hope the Colts don't pull a Edgerrin James and pick RG3, though certainly Andrew Luck would be a good booby prize.

[Tommy]

How about CBS Sports?

None of Garcon, Morgan and Royal are true No. 1 wideouts. They're "WR3" guys with "WR2" upside, depending on the situation. And all have been inconsistent or dealt with serious injury.

But it wouldn't be the offseason if the Redskins weren't overpaying at the start of free agency.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-o ... h-redskins

Dude, he's 25 and just came off the best year of his career. It's a good move.

[Pimp_From_The_Grave]

Carl Nicks OG to Tampa Bay Bucs, 5 year deal $47.5m contract, $31m guaranteed

Vincent Jackson WR to Tampa Bay Bucs 5 years $55.5m, $26m guaranteed, $36m in years 1-3, $26m in first 2 years

Cortland Finnegan CB to St Louis Rams, 5 years $50m, $26.5m guaranteed

Robert Meachem WR to San Diego Chargers 4 years $25.9m, $14m guaranteed

Pierre Garcon WR to Washington Redskins 5 years $42.5m, $21.5m guaranteed, $11m SB,

Josh Morgan WR to Washington Redksins 2 years $12m, $7.5m guaranteed (Skins messing with contracts again list the deal as 5 years $12m, really a 2 year deal)

John Greco OL to Cleveland Browns

Blake Costanzo LB to Chicago Bears, 2 years $2m

Jason Campbell QB to Chicago Bears 1 year deal $3.5m

Eric Wright CB to Tampa Bay 5 year deal

Eric Weems WR/KR to Chicago Bears 3 year contract

[Pimp_From_The_Grave]

Bucs contracts thus far worth $140m with over 1/2 that in guaranteed money.

[sin]

Calvin Johnson(who was not a free agent until next year) Just resigned with the Lions for a 7 year $130 million contract, making him the highest paid wide reciever ever. Thats 10 million more then Larry Fitzgerald signed for last year I believe.

[Redman77]

Can he play CB too? Just lost Wright to the Bucs.

[poizond13]

But he played several years with the best QB in the game and didn't manage to realize his potential, so I don't see him improving with a rookie QB. I think he'll continue to rely on his speed and continue to be a one dimensional player. Hopefully, for the Redskins sake, he can reduce his drop rate. I wish him the best.

His production has gotten better EVERY SEASON of his short career, and he had Curtis Painter last year, who most wouldn't call "best in the game."

Still, you are being pretty gracious - by p13 standards - so I'll just leave it at this: I'm very happy about this signing, especially considering most Skins fans (who are a pretty stupid bunch) were clamoring for Vincent Jackson. I'm very happy with this offseason so far.

Just hope the Colts don't pull a Edgerrin James and pick RG3, though certainly Andrew Luck would be a good booby prize.

The Skins did the right thing going for RG3. He's gonna be great and well worth the asking price. On Garcon, they are gambling that his production will increase in order to justify the kind of money they're giving him. That's certainly possible. But one thing that scares me is that Garcon is the type of player to relax a little bit once he gets a huge contract. He's always had a little bit of a diva in him. Read this great article on the differences between Wayne and Garcon from someone who covered them every day:

http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2012/03 ... d-age-and/

[Tommy]

But one thing that scares me is that Garcon is the type of player to relax a little bit once he gets a huge contract.

How can you justify that statement? This is only the second contract he's ever signed, the other being his rookie deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-r ... re-garcon/

[poizond13]

Like I said, wish Garcon the best. But let me say this about Reggie Wayne, I could not be happier about him coming back. On and off the field, he's the kind of guy you want on your team. A true professional in every sense of the word. Never had one bit of a diva in him. Never demanded the ball. Never complained about being underpaid, which he was. Always produced on the field and was accountable in rare cases he did not. Reggie is one of my favorite Colts of all time. He's just the kind of leader we need on a team that will be filled with very young players. He's gonna set the tone for the offense and show them how a world champion does it. Welcome home, Reggie.

[poizond13]

But one thing that scares me is that Garcon is the type of player to relax a little bit once he gets a huge contract.

How can you justify that statement? This is only the second contract he's ever signed, the other being his rookie deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-r ... re-garcon/

If you read the article I posted, you would understand why I said it. That's just his personality. Not saying it's going to happen for sure. I'm saying it has to be a concern. Hopefully he grows up and realizes the attitude you need to have to succeed in the NFL. Talent only takes you so far.

[bane]

Like I said, wish Garcon the best. But let me say this about Reggie Wayne, I could not be happier about him coming back. On and off the field, he's the kind of guy you want on your team. A true professional in every sense of the word. Never had one bit of a diva in him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Reggie the one stirring the pot and talking a bunch of smack when they brought Collins in last year? He was right of course, but I'd call that public outburst a bit divaish.

[poizond13]

Like I said, wish Garcon the best. But let me say this about Reggie Wayne, I could not be happier about him coming back. On and off the field, he's the kind of guy you want on your team. A true professional in every sense of the word. Never had one bit of a diva in him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Reggie the one stirring the pot and talking a bunch of smack when they brought Collins in last year? He was right of course, but I'd call that public outburst a bit divaish.

Not at all. He was sticking up for his teammate at the time, Curtis Painter. But once Collins came aboard, he supported him 100%. I don't see anything wrong for sticking up for your teammate, and how that could be considered a "diva" act is pretty fucking funny. You're really reaching, boy.

[bane]

Talking shit about your team publicly is frowned upon junior. Wayne has always come across as a pretty classy guy, especially as receivers go, but that incident was anything but classy. Doesn't matter much though. He's still a decent possession receiver. He's old and he's definitely lost a step, but he'll make for a good security target for the rookie for a year or two.

[poizond13]

Talking shit about your team publicly is frowned upon junior. Wayne has always come across as a pretty classy guy, especially as receivers go, but that incident was anything but classy. Doesn't matter much though. He's still a decent possession receiver. He's old and he's definitely lost a step, but he'll make for a good security target for the rookie for a year or two.

LOL! You're really digging deep, boy! He was sticking up for his teammate and friend, Curtis Painter. That's what a great teammate does. And he was not talking shit about anybody, certainly not the team. He was saying he was happy with Curtis, and felt that he deserved the chance because of all the work he had put in with the team. Once Kerry was brought in, he supported him 100% and said he would go all out and help him with anything he needed. He was doing what he felt was right. He wasn't speaking out demanding more catches or more money. He was being a great teammate. I wouldn't expect anything less.

[MurrayFiend]

Cut the "boy" shit.

[Crazy Levi]

Like I said, wish Garcon the best. But let me say this about Reggie Wayne, I could not be happier about him coming back. \.

Right. Like you said. So now you just repeat it again. Thanks.

Look, you are more than welcome to engage in this sentimentality, but maybe it hasn't sunk in yet for you - the Colts are OVER for a few years. This signing was a retirement present for Wayne basically. And maybe he can player/coach some of the new guys. But the Colts aren't going ANYWHERE for a while. Wayne isn't being signed for his skills, he's being signed as a thank you and to keep people like YOU happy. Colts fans are a weak, fickle bunch, and they don't the PeytonDome to be completely empty this season so they are throwing you guys a little red meat.

Back to Garcon - this is the PERFECT time to sign him and you know it. His most lucrative contract will be 4 or 5 years from now, when he's coming off his prime.

VJax just signed HIS last big contract, which is exactly why I didn't want the Skins to sign him. I have no idea where you came up with this theory that Garcon will suddenly put on 50 pounds and stop reading his playbook - that would be ridiculously retarded this early in his career.

You wish him the best. Great. So why engage in groundless speculation?

Check out the MARK MY WORDS thread sometime. Your "speculation" isn't exactly the kind of stuff anybody here is gonna take to the bank.

[Facedown]

Cowboys sign Kyle Orton?
Now what is LAretard going to do.

[poizond13]

Like I said, wish Garcon the best. But let me say this about Reggie Wayne, I could not be happier about him coming back. \.

Right. Like you said. So now you just repeat it again. Thanks.

Look, you are more than welcome to engage in this sentimentality, but maybe it hasn't sunk in yet for you - the Colts are OVER for a few years. This signing was a retirement present for Wayne basically. And maybe he can player/coach some of the new guys. But the Colts aren't going ANYWHERE for a while. Wayne isn't being signed for his skills, he's being signed as a thank you and to keep people like YOU happy. Colts fans are a weak, fickle bunch, and they don't the PeytonDome to be completely empty this season so they are throwing you guys a little red meat.

Back to Garcon - this is the PERFECT time to sign him and you know it. His most lucrative contract will be 4 or 5 years from now, when he's coming off his prime.

VJax just signed HIS last big contract, which is exactly why I didn't want the Skins to sign him. I have no idea where you came up with this theory that Garcon will suddenly put on 50 pounds and stop reading his playbook - that would be ridiculously retarded this early in his career.

You wish him the best. Great. So why engage in groundless speculation?

Check out the MARK MY WORDS thread sometime. Your "speculation" isn't exactly the kind of stuff anybody here is gonna take to the bank.

You sound like a sucker who just got ripped off on a new car, but can't admit it because he likes the smell of the new leather. I'll continue to agree with 90% of the football world in saying that the Skins overpaid for Garcon. Oh, and none of my statements or opinions were "groundless," they were backed up by articles written by people who follow the NFL for a living. Oh, and the fact that I've watched every game Garcon has ever played in. How many have you watched?

And the Colts didn't give Reggie any gift. In fact, he took LESS money to finish his career as a Colt. This was a mutual win-win for both sides, so quit crying about it. It's got nothing to do with the skins overpaying for Garcon.

[Crazy Levi]

. Oh, and none of my statements or opinions were "groundless," they were backed up by articles written by people who follow the NFL for a living.

Goddammit P13, when are you gonna realize that nobody gives two fucks about your "backed up" bullshit opinions.

Check out the MARK MY WORDS thread. About 80% of the statements and opinions you proudly spout are "backed up" by links to blogs, news organizations, and other people who get PAID to clog the internet with pap for drooling idiots like you.

And 100% of those statements you made are wrong.

So forgive me if I don't bother clicking on your NFA link saying how badly the Skins overpaid.

90% of the links *I've* clicked on love the trade, so there.

Typical P13 "backing up" of bullshit that of course turned out to be wrong, as always. It was on NFL Network, how could it be wrong?!?!

MARK HIS WORDS...

Great interview with Jim Irsay on the NFL Network pre game show. He made it crystal clear that if Peyton is healthy, he will be a COLT next year!! He said $$ is not an issue, and if a good quarterback is available in the draft, he would not hesitate to take him. .

[poizond13]

. Oh, and none of my statements or opinions were "groundless," they were backed up by articles written by people who follow the NFL for a living.

Goddammit P13, when are you gonna realize that nobody gives two fucks about your "backed up" bullshit opinions.

Check out the MARK MY WORDS thread. About 80% of the statements and opinions you proudly spout are "backed up" by links to blogs, news organizations, and other people who get PAID to clog the internet with pap for drooling idiots like you.

And 100% of those statements you made are wrong.

So forgive me if I don't bother clicking on your NFA link saying how badly the Skins overpaid.

90% of the links *I've* clicked on love the trade, so there.

Typical P13 "backing up" of bullshit that of course turned out to be wrong, as always. It was on NFL Network, how could it be wrong?!?!

MARK HIS WORDS...

Great interview with Jim Irsay on the NFL Network pre game show. He made it crystal clear that if Peyton is healthy, he will be a COLT next year!! He said $$ is not an issue, and if a good quarterback is available in the draft, he would not hesitate to take him. .

That's your prerogative. If you want to disagree with 90% of the football world because you're a diehard nutswinger of the Redskins, you have every right to do that. But I will ask you again, how many games have you seen that Garcon played in? Because I've seen every one and I am largely basing my opinion on that, plus the reporting of Colts beat writers who know the team inside and out. You still also can't explain why Wayne, even with being older and not nearly as fast, has had more yards than Garcon in every year since he's come into the league. What's your explanation on that? Or will you just keep ignoring it?