NFL 2011 Thread

[poizond13]

^ Good point P13. I was actually thinking about the possibility of the Colts getting Luck today, and it struck me as very similar to the Rodgers/Favre situation.

It's a strikingly similar situation. The fact that luck would be a #1 pick doesn't change anything, because of the new rookie salary cap. If this were three years ago, then I definitely would agree that drafting Luck #1 and also keeping Peyton would be impossible, because of the ridiculous salary that Luck would receive. But the new rookie cap means Luck won't get much more than what Rodgers got on his rookie contract as a #24 pick in 2005. When you have a chance to draft a guy like Andrew Luck and can have him learn from one of the greatest ever at the position, that's a pretty good situation for the future of the franchise. Not saying it will happen for sure because that's a long ways away. But it's definitely a possibility.

[SkyDog112046]

No way in hell Luck and his agent will agree to a contract that negatively effects his marketability and initial pay as would be the situation if he had to take a salary under a rookie cap and then couldn't play for 3-4 years. He would lose a bundle in advertising dollars. Both he and his agent would then be better off with him going #2 or #3 and getting a chance to start immediately. No top QB comes out and goes willingly into a situation where they won't see the field for years. Anyone who thinks luck would be happy in that scenario is an idiot.

And there is no correlation between Rodgers and Luck. With Rodgers he wasn't the consensus #1 pick and ended up falling towards the end of the 1st round. Not that a lot of teams who passed him bye wouldn't like a chance to draft him again, but he wasn't considered a sure thing. Luck has all the tools and is being coveted by almost every team in the league who needs a QB. There will be a bidding war for him. That #1 pick will be very valuable come April. The flip side of that is that Luck can tell teams whether or not he will play for them and will have an opportunity to steer himself to markets that he wished to play in.

[SkyDog112046]

What kind of idiot are you? The backup does practice, they just don't take any snaps with the first team. It's not like they sit on the sideline the whole time and serve gatorade.

Manning demands extra reps with the first team and it cuts into reps for the backups. Indy's backup QB's don't get nearly the work they need to be effective. It's one of the reasons that free agent backups don't want to go there. Even a sycophant such as yourself has to acknowledge that. Or is it that everything appears rosy all the time in Coltsville through your rose colored cum-covered glasses?

[NeverSurrender]

P13, you're an idiot.

It's never happened before, and it's not going to happen this time. Not to mention the Colts aren't going to have the number 1 overall pick anyways.

[Tenacious_Dio]

But the new rookie cap means Luck won't get much more than what Rodgers got on his rookie contract as a #24 pick in 2005.

Aaron Rodgers' rookie contract - 5 years, $7.7 million

Cam Newton's rookie contract - 4 years, $22 million

[poizond13]

What kind of idiot are you? The backup does practice, they just don't take any snaps with the first team. It's not like they sit on the sideline the whole time and serve gatorade.

Manning demands extra reps with the first team and it cuts into reps for the backups. Indy's backup QB's don't get nearly the work they need to be effective. It's one of the reasons that free agent backups don't want to go there. Even a sycophant such as yourself has to acknowledge that. Or is it that everything appears rosy all the time in Coltsville through your rose colored cum-covered glasses?

I already stated our backup doesn't get much work with the first team. Peyton's dedication and commitment to winning wouldn't allow it. That's not a bad thing though. It's part of what makes Peyton the greatest in the game. But obviously if Luck were brought on board, he'd get more reps than a Curtis Painter or Jim Sorgi.

[SkyDog112046]

I already stated our backup doesn't get much work with the first team. Peyton's dedication and commitment to winning wouldn't allow it. That's not a bad thing though. It's part of what makes Peyton the greatest in the game. But obviously if Luck were brought on board, he'd get more reps than a Curtis Painter or Jim Sorgi.

Since you are having trouble comprehending this I will spell it out for you:
Manning demands extra reps
It keeps the 1st team on the field
The entire 2nd team gets fewer reps
The backup QBs never get any 1st team reps
The backup QBs are not prepared to play if necessary

Do you know that most teams run a drill in practice to simulate a QB getting hurt where at a random time during a series the coaches whistle a play dead and then send in the backup QB. Two series into a drive on 2nd down they send in the backup because that is most likely how it will happen in a real game. I've even seen it done here in the 4th quarter of blowouts where Belichick pulls Brady in the middle of a series and sends in Cassel(previously) and Hoyer now. Backup QBs say Manning won't let them run that drill in Indy.

[NeverSurrender]

But the new rookie cap means Luck won't get much more than what Rodgers got on his rookie contract as a #24 pick in 2005.

Aaron Rodgers' rookie contract - 5 years, $7.7 million

Cam Newton's rookie contract - 4 years, $22 million

Why do we need facts, when we have p13's bullshit? Yeah, this is just like the Favre/Rodgers situation. A guy nobody wanted vs a guy everybody wants. Yeah, that's the same.

[Machado]

Has anybody heard the "tall tale" about an incident with Shanahan, Al Davis and a former 49 er QB?
If the tale is true, this makes for one really good story and proves just how much "hate" Shanahan has for Al.

Not sure where or where, but one day when the 49ers were playing Raiders, Shanahan instructed a 49ers QB to intentionally throw the football at Al Davis.
The QB refused the request, but when asked again by his coach, the QB followed through, just missing Al.

Davis' reaction was to turn around, see where the ball was coming from and when he saw Shanahan, Al flipped him the bird and told Shanahan to fuck off.

[NeverSurrender]

Has anybody heard the "tall tale" about an incident with Shanahan, Al Davis and a former 49 er QB?
If the tale is true, this makes for one really good story and proves just how much "hate" Shanahan has for Al.

Not sure where or where, but one day when the 49ers were playing Raiders, Shanahan instructed a 49ers QB to intentionally throw the football at Al Davis.
The QB refused the request, but when asked again by his coach, the QB followed through, just missing Al.

Davis' reaction was to turn around, see where the ball was coming from and when he saw Shanahan, Al flipped him the bird and told Shanahan to fuck off.

i wil take Al over the drunk rat any day.

[poizond13]

I already stated our backup doesn't get much work with the first team. Peyton's dedication and commitment to winning wouldn't allow it. That's not a bad thing though. It's part of what makes Peyton the greatest in the game. But obviously if Luck were brought on board, he'd get more reps than a Curtis Painter or Jim Sorgi.

Since you are having trouble comprehending this I will spell it out for you:
Manning demands extra reps
It keeps the 1st team on the field
The entire 2nd team gets fewer reps
The backup QBs never get any 1st team reps
The backup QBs are not prepared to play if necessary

Do you know that most teams run a drill in practice to simulate a QB getting hurt where at a random time during a series the coaches whistle a play dead and then send in the backup QB. Two series into a drive on 2nd down they send in the backup because that is most likely how it will happen in a real game. I've even seen it done here in the 4th quarter of blowouts where Belichick pulls Brady in the middle of a series and sends in Cassel(previously) and Hoyer now. Backup QBs say Manning won't let them run that drill in Indy.

WTF? Can you not read, boy? I've already stated it twice. Let me state it again: I realize Peyton Manning takes most if not all first team snaps. That doesn't mean the backup doesn't practice AT ALL. It just means they don't get much time with the first team. Is this clear to you or are you just gonna keep going in circles?

[poizond13]

But the new rookie cap means Luck won't get much more than what Rodgers got on his rookie contract as a #24 pick in 2005.

Aaron Rodgers' rookie contract - 5 years, $7.7 million

Cam Newton's rookie contract - 4 years, $22 million

You forgot to mention that Rodgers' contract was worth up to $24 million with incentives.

[NeverSurrender]

But the new rookie cap means Luck won't get much more than what Rodgers got on his rookie contract as a #24 pick in 2005.

Aaron Rodgers' rookie contract - 5 years, $7.7 million

Cam Newton's rookie contract - 4 years, $22 million

You forgot to mention that Rodgers' contract was worth up to $24 million with incentives.

That he couldn't reach sitting on the bench.

Christ, you'll say anything to not admit being wrong.

[SkyDog112046]

I already stated our backup doesn't get much work with the first team. Peyton's dedication and commitment to winning wouldn't allow it. That's not a bad thing though. It's part of what makes Peyton the greatest in the game. But obviously if Luck were brought on board, he'd get more reps than a Curtis Painter or Jim Sorgi.

Since you are having trouble comprehending this I will spell it out for you:
Manning demands extra reps
It keeps the 1st team on the field
The entire 2nd team gets fewer reps
The backup QBs never get any 1st team reps
The backup QBs are not prepared to play if necessary

Do you know that most teams run a drill in practice to simulate a QB getting hurt where at a random time during a series the coaches whistle a play dead and then send in the backup QB. Two series into a drive on 2nd down they send in the backup because that is most likely how it will happen in a real game. I've even seen it done here in the 4th quarter of blowouts where Belichick pulls Brady in the middle of a series and sends in Cassel(previously) and Hoyer now. Backup QBs say Manning won't let them run that drill in Indy.

WTF? Can you not read, boy? I've already stated it twice. Let me state it again: I realize Peyton Manning takes most if not all first team snaps. That doesn't mean the backup doesn't practice AT ALL. It just means they don't get much time with the first team. Is this clear to you or are you just gonna keep going in circles?

And do you have any reading comprehension skills? I will state it very clearly for you: Manning takes up so much time in practice that the second team gets less snaps than they should. Two teams can't get snaps in the same spot at the same time. When the first team is going the second team can't be going. They are also working on substitutions and packages, so second team guys mix in with first team guys. I realize that there probably is a restraining order on you, but haven't you once seen an NFL practice?

[Crazy Levi]

I think it's time to give P13 his own NFL thread. I hate that we waste so much time here arguing about a team that doesn't matter (the 0-5 Colts) and the stupidest retard to ever grace the planet, P13.

From now on, if you need to reply to this idiot, as we all do on occasion, why not do it in the official P13 retard NFL thread?

Simply cut and paste his idiocy from the NFL thread - or any other in the Locker Room - and smack down his ridiculous posts in that thread.

[AliceManson]

I think it's time to give P13 his own NFL thread. I hate that we waste so much time here arguing about a team that doesn't matter (the 0-5 Colts) and the stupidest retard to ever grace the planet, P13.

From now on, if you need to reply to this idiot, as we all do on occasion, why not do it in the official P13 retard NFL thread?

Simply cut and paste his idiocy from the NFL thread - or any other in the Locker Room - and smack down his ridiculous posts in that thread.

Or just ignore it, that is the only way to get to him. He doesn't believe any of the shit he spews.

[poizond13]

I think it's time to give P13 his own NFL thread. I hate that we waste so much time here arguing about a team that doesn't matter (the 0-5 Colts) and the stupidest retard to ever grace the planet, P13.

From now on, if you need to reply to this idiot, as we all do on occasion, why not do it in the official P13 retard NFL thread?

Simply cut and paste his idiocy from the NFL thread - or any other in the Locker Room - and smack down his ridiculous posts in that thread.

Sweet, now I'll post my responses in both threads. Isn't this the second thread you've started about ME in one week? Obsess much? Shit, I don't think I've EVER started one thread about any other poster on here. What a waste of fucking time.

[poizond13]

And do you have any reading comprehension skills? I will state it very clearly for you: Manning takes up so much time in practice that the second team gets less snaps than they should. Two teams can't get snaps in the same spot at the same time. When the first team is going the second team can't be going. They are also working on substitutions and packages, so second team guys mix in with first team guys. I realize that there probably is a restraining order on you, but haven't you once seen an NFL practice?

Wrong. Our backup gets plenty of practice. On top of that, they are always working with Peyton, scouting the next opponent's defenses and devising game plans. Last year Painter basically worked under Peyton's wing in that regard. Luck would most certainly benefit from this.

[Tenacious_Dio]

But the new rookie cap means Luck won't get much more than what Rodgers got on his rookie contract as a #24 pick in 2005.

Aaron Rodgers' rookie contract - 5 years, $7.7 million

Cam Newton's rookie contract - 4 years, $22 million

You forgot to mention that Rodgers' contract was worth up to $24 million with incentives.

Incentives like leading the league in passing? Going to the Pro Bowl? Winning league MVP? Winning the Super Bowl? Being named Super Bowl MVP? All to be achieved while riding the pine behind the most durable QB ever? Those incentives? I didn't forget them at all. How much do you think he pocketed?

[NeverSurrender]

p13, if I'm so wrong, why did you start ignoring me instead of keep telling me I'm wrong?

[HMJ]

Please don't derail good NFL discussion with p13/Colts talk. I don't know why you guys play into that shit.

[LAglamrocker]

Saints better be ready, next time Broncos play them Tebow will destroy them

[HMJ]

Saints better be ready, next time Broncos play them Tebow will destroy them

Yeah! There we go!

[poizond13]

p13, if I'm so wrong, why did you start ignoring me instead of keep telling me I'm wrong?

Ignoring what? What's there to respond to?

[SkyDog112046]

This week's games:

Favorite .......... Line ........ Underdog ........ Total
At Green Bay ... -14 ........ St. Louis ......... 48
At Pittsburgh ... -12 ........ Jacksonville ..... 40
Philadelphia ..... -2.5 ...... At Washington .. 47
At Detroit ........ -4 ........ San Francisco ... 46
At Atlanta ........ -4 ......... Carolina ........... 50.5
At Cincinnati .... -7 ......... Indianapolis ...... 41
At NY Giants .... -3 ......... Buffalo ............. 50
At Baltimore .... -8 .......... Houston .......... 44.5
At Oakland ...... -6.5 ....... Cleveland ........ 44.5
At New England . -6.5 ..... Dallas ............. 55.5
New Orleans ..... -4.5 ...... At Tampa Bay ... 49.5
At Chicago ....... -3 .......... Minnesota ........ 41.5

Monday Night Football Line
At NY Jets .......... -7 ......... Miami ............. 42.5

GB should have no trouble with Stl

Pitt over Jax, but not by 12+

Phi favored on the road vs Wash. I like the Skins in this one.

Det vs SF should be one of the better games this week. Lions at home.

Atl over Car

Cincy will send Indy to 0-6.

NYG over Buff.

Balt vs Hou. Ravens' D is a difference maker. Texans are banged up. Balt.

Oak vs Cle. Raiders are solid and home first time since Davis' death. Oak.

NE vs Dal. Patriots D sucked to begin with, now without leading tackler and sack leader. Not even Romo can fuck up vs that sham of a defense. BJGE hurt, forcing NE to pass more. Brady needs to have a perfect game. Patriots win, but not cover.

Chi should beat MN at home.

NYJ need win badly, are at home, and Mia is lousy. Jets should cover.

[johnk5150]

At Chicago ....... -3 .......... Minnesota ........ 41.5


Chi should beat MN at home.

No Peppers + no safeties = Record rushing night for a running back wearing a purple helmet.

[NeverSurrender]

At Chicago ....... -3 .......... Minnesota ........ 41.5


Chi should beat MN at home.

No Peppers + no safeties = Record rushing night for a running back wearing a purple helmet.

He loves playing the Bears. This has to be a battle of the two dumbest offensive coordinators in the NFL.

[SkyDog112046]

Here's a question for everyone. How would you beat the team you root for if you were coaching against them?

[Tymaster]

Here's a question for everyone. How would you beat the team you root for if you were coaching against them?

I'd beat the Browns by putting thirty three professionals on the field against the Browns. Eleven on offense. Eleven on defense. Eleven on special teams. That should probably be enough to beat them.

[SkyDog112046]

Here's a question for everyone. How would you beat the team you root for if you were coaching against them?

I'd beat the Browns by putting thirty three professionals on the field against the Browns. Eleven on offense. Eleven on defense. Eleven on special teams. That should probably be enough to beat them.