Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[Machado]

Marlins and Gincarlo Stanton discussing 300m deal.

WTF!!!
No player deserves 300m. Don't blame Stanton for taking the money.
If he does you can blame him for the Marlins having no money to sign 24 other players.

[killeverything]

Arod's reworked deal, the one Cashman said "we won't resign him if he opts out." After they did resign him, his deal, if he meets his incentives will pay him about 350 million.

Clayton Kershaw wins NL MVP. First in the NL to win both the Cy and the MVP since Bob Gibson in 1968.

*edit

Forgot about Gibson. Derp.

[MurrayFiend]

Hard to argue with either one. Stanton could've gotten it if not for the DL time, and I guess Lucroy would've been more seriously considered (being a catcher) if the Crew hadn't fallen so far (not that you can pin the blame on him). Kershaw it is.

Looking at some of the contenders, I was struck by one thing: Michael Brantley was seriously good. 155 wRC+ (.327/.385/.506) and struck out in only 8% of his plate appearances. Fuck.

[killeverything]

Hard to argue with either one. Stanton could've gotten it if not for the DL time, and I guess Lucroy would've been more seriously considered (being a catcher) if the Crew hadn't fallen so far (not that you can pin the blame on him). Kershaw it is.

Looking at some of the contenders, I was struck by one thing: Michael Brantley was seriously good. 155 wRC+ (.327/.385/.506) and struck out in only 8% of his plate appearances. Fuck.

There were some great performances this season. I still think Felix should have won the Cy in the AL, but there is a decent argument against.

I agree with pitchers winning the MVP, but even if someone doesn't it's hard to argue there was anyone more valuable in the NL than Clayton. Without whom, the Dodgers wouldn't have won the division or even made the playoffs. The numbers aren't even close.

I also would have had the Wainwright/Kershaw finals being closer ( more akin the Hernandez/Kluber ) than it was since Kershaw missed a month of the season. It just goes to show you how incredible he was.

[MurrayFiend]

I have to imagine striking out 8% of the time in this era of baseball is akin to striking out basically never not that long ago.

I guess for Kluber, being super hot the whole second half of the season kept him on voters' minds. I honestly didn't think he'd get the recognition; it seems like in 2013 he was this out-of-nowhere strikeout artist and he kept it going this year. Felix was pretty damn unhittable, too. Hard to go wrong with 34 starts from either.

[killeverything]

Team Samurai Japan's plate patience is outstanding. They were saying how they tried to avoid strikeouts especially. I got the feeling there's no honor in it.

Iwakuma is the same. One second he's untouchable for a few frames and then he gives up 3 runs. He was like that his last 5 starts, I wonder if something is going on with the guy.

[killeverything]

Stanton's deal is repotedly 12/325 with no trade, no opt out clauses.

Pirates sign AJ Bunett 1/8.5m deal. Pittsburgh is the only place AJ wanted to play. Loves city, fan base, and wants to finish career there.

Giants LHP suspended 50 games for a banned stimulant. That's unfortunate, he was one of their best prospects.

[Machado]

Stanton's deal is repotedly 12/325 with no trade, no opt out clauses.

The deal is ridiculous. What are the Marlins trying to prove? And will the team have enough money to field a contending team with virtually no money leftover?
I hope they do sign him. Could be the worst professional contract ever.

At least the Yankees won a WS in '09, despite the massive contract for
ARod

[MurrayFiend]

Stanton's deal is repotedly 12/325 with no trade, no opt out clauses.

The deal is ridiculous. What are the Marlins trying to prove? And will the team have enough money to field a contending team with virtually no money leftover?
I hope they do sign him. Could be the worst professional contract ever.

At least the Yankees won a WS in '09, despite the massive contract for
ARod

It may not be as crazy as you suggest, as Jeff Sullivan demonstrated:

So Stanton's worth a big average annual value, and he's young enough to be worth a long commitment. Put those together, and factor in that there's more money in the game than ever, and reaching the $300 million mark isn't a challenge. It's entirely defensible, and we could see something happen today, or tomorrow, or next week. It'll just depend on how well the Marlins are able to convince Stanton that they're going to function like an actual baseball team.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit ... nds-111414

[TawnyVonJagger]

Stanton's deal is repotedly 12/325 with no trade, no opt out clauses.

The deal is ridiculous. What are the Marlins trying to prove? And will the team have enough money to field a contending team with virtually no money leftover?
I hope they do sign him. Could be the worst professional contract ever.

At least the Yankees won a WS in '09, despite the massive contract for
ARod

I've been hearing that there IS an opt out clause. And the no-trade is unprecedented, the Fish are notorious for not having no-trade clauses.

I honestly thought Stanton wouldn't stay. So I'm happy, but guarded. Winter Meetings are gonna be interesting.

[killeverything]

Jeremy Hellickson reportedly traded to Diamondbacks for 2 prospects ( OF Justin Williams and SS Andrew Velazquez ).

[killeverything]

The MLB All Stars were shutout again by Samurai Japan in a 4 pitcher no hitter. Norimoto was untouchable ( 5 perfect innings, 6K ).

I get that these are just exhibition games and basically spring training for USA. It's pretty evident though why Japan won those WBCs. Their pitching all breaks and they put together some good ABs. It's like watching a bunch of Ichiros with all the small ball.

[killeverything]

Robinson Cano out Japan Series with fractured pinky toe. Expected to miss 3-4 weeks.

Yankees prospect 1B Joe Bird wins Arizona Fall League Joe Black ( yes, that is it's real name ) MVP Award.

[Machado]

Robinson Cano out Japan Series with fractured pinky toe. Expected to miss 3-4 weeks.

Yankees prospect 1B Joe Bird wins Arizona Fall League Joe Black ( yes, that is it's real name ) MVP Award.

Bird is a prospect that is probably 1 more full seaon away from being ready to make the
Yankees roster.
Playing 1B means Bird is going to have to hit a ton when he eventually gets called up.
Or perhaps winning this award puts him in a position to become trade bait???

[killeverything]

Robinson Cano out Japan Series with fractured pinky toe. Expected to miss 3-4 weeks.

Yankees prospect 1B Joe Bird wins Arizona Fall League Joe Black ( yes, that is it's real name ) MVP Award.

Bird is a prospect that is probably 1 more full seaon away from being ready to make the
Yankees roster.
Playing 1B means Bird is going to have to hit a ton when he eventually gets called up.
Or perhaps winning this award puts him in a position to become trade bait???

I haven't looked too into him. All I know is that he can hit for power. I haven't heard anything about his baserunning, defense, etc. to know otherwise.

The problem with trade bait is the I don't believe the Yankees have anything else of value to add in aside from taking on a big contract. Their policy of "win now" is really starting to bite them in the ass having such a barren farm. LAD is learning that now.

Like take Philly's demands for Cole Hammels. They want three top prospects in return. A lot of teams don't have that, and the ones that do I don't believe would give all of them up for one player.

Amaro Jr. is a fucking idiot though, but that's none of my business.

[killeverything]

The Cubs trade no. 8 prospect Arodys Vizcaino to Atanta for IF Tommy La Stella.

That's good. If there is one thing the Cubs need is more infielders.

[Tenacious_Dio]

Braves have traded outfielder Jason Heyward and reliever Jordan Walden to the Cardinals in exchange for starter Shelby Miller and starter prospect Tyrell Jenkins.

[WOLF]

Blue Jays sign Canadian Russel Martin to a 5 year/82 million contract.

IMO that's a lot to invest in a veteran, at a difficult position to play, for "his leadership". The guy can no doubt swing the bat, but for how long? I get the fact that he's Canadian, and can be a face for the franchise is good, but still... Overpayment if you ask me.

They should have tried to get him on a 2-3 year deal.

[Machado]

Blue Jays sign Canadian Russel Martin to a 5 year/82 million contract.

IMO that's a lot to invest in a veteran, at a difficult position to play, for "his leadership". The guy can no doubt swing the bat, but for how long? I get the fact that he's Canadian, and can be a face for the franchise is good, but still... Overpayment if you ask me.

They should have tried to get him on a 2-3 year deal.

Very true. Lately the name of the game is to overpay. Unless you are AJ Burnett, but that is an anomaly.
The ridiculous amount of years and money the players are asking for and getting is going to ruin this game.
5 years for Martin. This guy is a fine catcher but he's not HOF player that deserves 5 years of a commitment. Odds are he won't play 5 years in Canada. he will be traded for prospects within 3 years.

[Machado]

Giancarlo Stanton
$325 million/ 13 years, Opt out after 5 or 6 years. To be announced soon
Includes no trade clause

What a disaster. The kid will have so much pressure on his shoulders that will never allow him to live up to the ridiculous amount of money
In 2 years he will be begging to opt out and play for a team that is not losing 90+ games on a consistent basis

[killeverything]

Blue Jays sign Canadian Russel Martin to a 5 year/82 million contract.

IMO that's a lot to invest in a veteran, at a difficult position to play, for "his leadership". The guy can no doubt swing the bat, but for how long? I get the fact that he's Canadian, and can be a face for the franchise is good, but still... Overpayment if you ask me.

They should have tried to get him on a 2-3 year deal.

Very true. Lately the name of the game is to overpay. Unless you are AJ Burnett, but that is an anomaly.
The ridiculous amount of years and money the players are asking for and getting is going to ruin this game.
5 years for Martin. This guy is a fine catcher but he's not HOF player that deserves 5 years of a commitment. Odds are he won't play 5 years in Canada. he will be traded for prospects within 3 years.

I don't think he can net any worthwhile prospects in 3 years. Remember he's also owed that money too.

Last night/this morning he was all ready to go to the Cubs. Practically a done deal. I'm not too sure how I feel about the deal. He can swing a bat, but that's really it, right? I was never to high on Martin personally.

[killeverything]

Turns out the Yankees are seriously considering going after Max Scherzer.

Of course they are.

[UtahRatt]

Yankees' new luckiest man - Feds mulled case against Alex Rodriguez:
According to sources and documents, prosecutor Pat Sullivan and his colleagues could have hit A-Rod with a number of charges. Those charges may have included: witness tampering, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to distribute testosterone and human growth hormone.

Alex Rodriguez could have been charged along with Tony Bosch in Biogenesis scandal, according to Florida attorney David Weinstein, as evidence from case as documented in Daily News suggests disgraced Yankee was more than steroid user.

The old saying that crime doesn’t pay apparently doesn’t apply when your name is Alex Rodriguez.

In August, as a federal prosecution team in Miami triumphantly announced felony charges against Biogenesis founder Anthony Bosch and nearly a dozen other figures in his doping scheme, they spoke of the “serious and unintended consequences” of steroid abuse.

But the same could be said of the government’s decision to provide limited immunity to Rodriguez while low-level gofers such as his cousin, Yuri Sucart, face harsh justice, including criminal trials and prison sentences, sources involved in the prosecution have told the Daily News. The prosecutor’s actions also have veterans of baseball’s steroid wars wondering if the United States Attorney’s office in South Florida whiffed when they passed on an opportunity to indict Rodriguez, who appears in court documents in the case to be much more than just a user of banned drugs.

So low level "normal" people like ARoid's Cousin is facing the same criminal charges they let Aroid skate on. Clearly money can keep a criminal out of prison and keep them on the field. Aroid makes Pete Rose look like Vin Scully.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-tea ... -1.2012407

[killeverything]

Yankees' new luckiest man - Feds mulled case against Alex Rodriguez:
According to sources and documents, prosecutor Pat Sullivan and his colleagues could have hit A-Rod with a number of charges. Those charges may have included: witness tampering, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to distribute testosterone and human growth hormone.

Alex Rodriguez could have been charged along with Tony Bosch in Biogenesis scandal, according to Florida attorney David Weinstein, as evidence from case as documented in Daily News suggests disgraced Yankee was more than steroid user.

The old saying that crime doesn’t pay apparently doesn’t apply when your name is Alex Rodriguez.

In August, as a federal prosecution team in Miami triumphantly announced felony charges against Biogenesis founder Anthony Bosch and nearly a dozen other figures in his doping scheme, they spoke of the “serious and unintended consequences” of steroid abuse.

But the same could be said of the government’s decision to provide limited immunity to Rodriguez while low-level gofers such as his cousin, Yuri Sucart, face harsh justice, including criminal trials and prison sentences, sources involved in the prosecution have told the Daily News. The prosecutor’s actions also have veterans of baseball’s steroid wars wondering if the United States Attorney’s office in South Florida whiffed when they passed on an opportunity to indict Rodriguez, who appears in court documents in the case to be much more than just a user of banned drugs.

So low level "normal" people like ARoid's Cousin is facing the same criminal charges they let Aroid skate on. Clearly money can keep a criminal out of prison and keep them on the field. Aroid makes Pete Rose look like Vin Scully.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-tea ... -1.2012407

The pinstripes Arod wears certainly won't be of the prison variety.

Is anyone really surprised?

[UtahRatt]

I'll be shocked if Aroid don't announce a year long retirement tour this year if he hasn't already. They can have parades, he can cry on first base in every stadium he plays in for the last time.

[killeverything]

I'll be shocked if Aroid don't announce a year long retirement tour this year if he hasn't already. They can have parades, he can cry on first base in every stadium he plays in for the last time.

Not even the Yankees could milk that one. They shoved Jeter and Rivera down everyone's throats already. The only people who give a fuck about Arod are in NY and Connecticut.

LAD "going all out" to trade for Alexi Ramirez. I wonder where Hanley ends up. Team or position wise. There is no way Friedman would trot him out at short.

[Machado]

I'll be shocked if Aroid don't announce a year long retirement tour this year if he hasn't already. They can have parades, he can cry on first base in every stadium he plays in for the last time.

Not even the Yankees could milk that one. They shoved Jeter and Rivera down everyone's throats already. The only people who give a fuck about Arod are in NY and Connecticut.

LAD "going all out" to trade for Alexi Ramirez. I wonder where Hanley ends up. Team or position wise. There is no way Friedman would trot him out at short.

I gave 2 shits and I am out here on the West Coast

ARod and a retirement tour.

WOW Utah, you really do prove the point that the citizens of Utah are very ignorant and behind the times.

[UtahRatt]

I gave 2 shits and I am out here on the West Coast

You what? Have you tried Metamucil?

[UtahRatt]

I'll be shocked if Aroid don't announce a year long retirement tour this year if he hasn't already. They can have parades, he can cry on first base in every stadium he plays in for the last time.

Not even the Yankees could milk that one. They shoved Jeter and Rivera down everyone's throats already. The only people who give a fuck about Arod are in NY and Connecticut.

LAD "going all out" to trade for Alexi Ramirez. I wonder where Hanley ends up. Team or position wise. There is no way Friedman would trot him out at short.

I've seen Hanley talks with Boston, he's looking for a DH job but his agent has mentioned a move to 3B is possible that I haven't seen confirmed from the horses mouth.

[killeverything]

Panda talking 5 year deals with Boston and SF in the 80-90m range ( meeting with Boston tomorrow, SF brass after ). According to his brother "he's looking for respect." Which doesn't necessarily bode with how Sabean and Bochy run the team.

Pablo has a locker room rep as a "me first" player. I see him signing with Boston and the deal with either is expected soon.
The Labor Agreement prohibits teams from issuing paycuts for gaining weight. Look for whatever deal he signs to be heavily incentive laden though.

Zach Duke signs with White Sox 3/15m.

Cubs turn attention to Lester after missing out on Martin. Lester to meet with ATL tomorrow.