Any Love For The College Game?

[eddie lee roth]

Just earlier you were talking about how the rankings are stupid so going by that logic who cares who they play in the next 2 weeks right.

[Machado]

Just earlier you were talking about how the rankings are stupid so going by that logic who cares who they play in the next 2 weeks right.

you missed the point. when was the last time an undefeated team with all the hype and a potential Heisman winner at QB, was possibly looking at missing the right to win the BCS? this is unprecedented.

[eddie lee roth]

No it's not cause anybody with a brain knows if FSU wins out their in the playoffs if you can't see that than maybe you shouldn't talk about college football.

[DaveB]

They won't get locked out. If they win out, they will be in the playoff. But whoever they play will mop the floor with them.

[BodyBagz]

No it's not cause anybody with a brain knows if FSU wins out their in the playoffs if you can't see that than maybe you shouldn't talk about college football.

You say that, but who ever would have thought that a 1 loss team would have jumped a no loss, defending National Champion? And yet, thats exactly what happened when the CFP Committee got together and looked at the Strength of Schedule and win ratio for all the teams...and they decided that even though FSU had 0 losses, their record was worse than that of Oregon who had 1 loss because Oregons wins came against good, ranked opponents, as well as their 1 loss being on the road by 1 TD against an at the time ranked opponent.

Now, hear me out, cause this shit gets murky. Imagine that FSU does in fact win out, but does so in the same fashion as they have so far, going late into the 4th quarter after trailing by 14 or more points, and then win by a margin of 4-7 points...against non-ranked teams. That shit looks bad, no way around it.

Now, imagine as well, that Oregon, Alabama and TCU all win out as well as take their Conference Championships...each one of these teams has 1 loss..and their SoS is better than FSU...along with Ohio State and Miss State.

Oregon or Alabama could leapfrog FSU in the next 2 weeks...if both do, that then puts FSU at #3...or even #4 depending on the human panel. Then, at #4, they are in a precarious position for the final CFP poll...they could very well given all the scoring criteria, be knocked to #5 by a 1 loss team with a stronger SoS and better win/scoring ratio...like Ohio State or Miss State.

It could happen..I dont expect it to, but it COULD...just like no one thought 2 teams, 1 of which didnt even win its conference, from the same area, could play for the BCS Championship...and then it did with LSU vs ALabama...

The CFP Committee has already said they will look at SoS, win ratio, home vs road games and head-to-head play all as scoring criteria for their rankings...this includes the final rankings that will be released Dec 7 where the 4 final teams will be announced. This leaves interpretation of each member as a factor...and likely a bit f bias on some parts as well as ignorance of the game on others...

[UtahRatt]

Good Defense Nebraska.......

(16)Nebraska 24 (20)Wisconsin 59

Wisconsin RB Melvin Gordon - 408YDS 4TD's 16.3AVG 68LG

[BodyBagz]

Good Defense Nebraska.......

(16)Nebraska 24 (20)Wisconsin 59

Wisconsin RB Melvin Gordon - 408YDS 4TD's 16.3AVG 68LG

Gordon did tear through their defense like it was wet toilet paper...I`m curious as to how Gordon finishes the season since he is now getting some Heisman heat. His stats previous to this game were pretty damn impressive, he was averaging 167 yards a game. This now puts him at 191...thats pretty fucking outstanding! He also averaging 16.3 yds per carry...no small feat even given their schedule...

[UtahRatt]

Knew it was going to be a great RB game full of run overs, stiff arms and breakaways but didn't expect NEB too lay the fuck down and get pancaked.

Expected 408 yards combined not Melvin running from Madison to Green Bay.

The two teams barely combined for 100 yards passing.

Both teams had 4 fumbles lost each, NEB added and INT. Sloppy as fuck tackling ugly ass game.

Well good for Wis. They D'ed up.

[BodyBagz]

Awwww shit...theys gonna be some pissed of fuckers out in the world now...

Alabama Jumps to #1 in CFP Playoff Poll

Now see, even being a Crimson Tide fan like I am, I dont think that was a fair call to make. I could go #2, because of FSU`s lackluster, come from behind win vs another non ranked, non contender. Oregon, though, is a bit harder of a pill to swallow, and I am sure they are feeling a bit cheated.

I understand, I think, why the Committee did it...They didnt bump Oregon up because it was a bye week for them, nor could they really and truly bump them down due to that same FSU win, so, they left them at #2. No way was FSU`s win is going to get get scored better than Alabama's win, even while Bama`s was at home...they were playing the 3 Poll recognized #1 team...beat that team and you are going to move up.

Heres the whole poll results for those that care...

1. Alabama
2. Oregon
3. Florida State
4. Mississippi State
5. TCU
6. Ohio State <--- Theres your team to watch sneak in the backdoor...
7. Baylor
8. Ole Miss
9. UCLA
10. Georgia
11. Michigan State
12. Kansas State
13. Arizona State
14. Auburn
15. Arizona
16. Wisconsin
17. Utah
18. Georgia Tech
19. USC
20. Missouri
21. Oklahoma
22. Clemson
23. Nebraska
24. Louisville
25. Minnesota

[Machado]

It must be November because once again the SEC has scheduled games against weak opponents\Division AA schools

Alabama vs W. Carolina
Auburn vs Samford
Florida vs E. Kentucky
Georgia vs Charleston Southern
S. Carolina vs S. Alabama

This is ridiculous. Each and every SEC team should be penalized for playing these games
in November. This is not good for the sport.
The Pac 12 and Big 10 do not allow for such games to be scheduled.
I hope one of these teams loses today. That would be great to see a SEC tumble down the standings by losing to a cupcake.

[DaveB]

And yet another come-from-behind win for Florida State against yet another mediocre at best team.

[BodyBagz]

It must be November because once again the SEC has scheduled games against weak opponents\Division AA schools

Alabama vs W. Carolina
Auburn vs Samford
Florida vs E. Kentucky
Georgia vs Charleston Southern
S. Carolina vs S. Alabama

This is ridiculous. Each and every SEC team should be penalized for playing these games
in November. This is not good for the sport.
The Pac 12 and Big 10 do not allow for such games to be scheduled.
I hope one of these teams loses today. That would be great to see a SEC tumble down the standings by losing to a cupcake.

Well, would you be just as pissed, less pissed or more pissed if they played these same teams earlier in the season? Or, does it bother you like it does everyone else that the SEC plays these teams at all...cause we all know none of the other Power 5 schools play Div II and FBS schools throughout the year...

Every school in the Power 5 schedules these type games...and the scheduling isnt all on the hands of the larger schools..these smaller schools have schedules to work around as well...and when they play a SEC school has an effect on their national TV viewing, which they dont normally get. No one cares about an unranked Alabama playing Western Carolina in Sep...but it sure means viewers when its #1 Alabama playing in November...

[BodyBagz]

And yet another come-from-behind win for Florida State against yet another mediocre at best team.

Yep..makes ya wonder about the whole "point-shaving" issue. No matter, if FSU keeps doing this stupid kind of thing, they can be dropped from the final 4...and that would be hilarious...

[DaveB]

BodyBagz...explain to me how Mizzu doesn't win the SEC East now? Their only game left is with Arkansas who's in the West. They only lost one game in the East...which was to Georgia. On the other hand, the Dogs lost two East games...South Carolina and Florida.

No way in Hell that I'm going to argue that Mizzu is better than Georgia 'cause I don't think they are...but how does it weigh on next week's game?

[DaveB]

Not official but Herbstreit is suggesting that Ohio State jumps Miss St. into the number 4 spot despite the Bulldogs blowing out Vandy today. I guess OSU's 42-24 win over Indiana was more impressive than Miss St's 51-0 shutout of Vandy.

[BodyBagz]

BodyBagz...explain to me how Mizzu doesn't win the SEC East now? Their only game left is with Arkansas who's in the West. They only lost one game in the East...which was to Georgia. On the other hand, the Dogs lost two East games...South Carolina and Florida.

No way in Hell that I'm going to argue that Mizzu is better than Georgia 'cause I don't think they are...but how does it weigh on next week's game?

I`ll try...its kind of a mess... All SEC wins and losses really go against the teams regardless of East/West affiliation.

Mizzou`s schedule, wins & losses:
South Dakota State (W) 38-18
Toledo (W) 49-24
UCF (W) 38-10
Indiana (L) 31-27, (Mizzou was ranked #18 AP and #19 Coaches, Indiana was not ranked = bad loss for polling)
South Carolina (W) 21-20 (South Carolina was ranked #13 AP and #15 Coaches = quality win on the road)
Georgia (L) 34-0(Georgia was ranked #13 AP and #10 Coaches = bad loss due to it being a shutout @ home)
Florida (W) 42-13
Vanderbilt (W) 24-14
Kentucky (W) 20-10
Texas A&M (W), 34-27
Tennessee (W) 29-21
Arkansas (TBP next weekend)

Georgia`s schedule, wins & losses:
Clemson (W) 45-21 (Ranked #16 in AP & #24 Coaches)
South Carolina (L) 38-35, (SC was ranked #21 in the AP & Coaches Polls)
Troy (W) 66-0
Tennessee (W) 35-32
Vanderbilt (W) 44-17
Missouri (W) 34-0, (Head to Head win on the road, against #24 AP Poll team)
Arkansas (W) 45-32
Florida (L) 38-20
Kentucky (W) 63-31
Auburn (W) 34-7, (Auburn was ranked #9 CFP, AP & Coaches Polls)
Charleston Southern (W) 55-9
Georgia Tech (TBP next weekend)

(All rankings used above were for the week prior to the game played)

Now, just looking at the schedule, wins and losses, they both seem even. What is giving Georgia the go ahead right now, is really 3 parts:
1) Last game of the regular season to be played.
Georgia has Georgia Tech, tough, but no chance GT will take this. On the other hand, Mizzou has Arkansas, who while no smoking hot this year, have been able to hold their own and now 2 weeks in a row, shutout ranked opponents.

2) Quality of wins / losses vs ranked/unranked opponents.
Georgia wins this metric due to wins/losses over ranked at the time of play teams:Clemson, Missouri & Auburn wins outweigh the lone unranked loss to Florida and the loss to South Carolina was only by 3 points. Mizzou`s win over South Carolina is its lone ranked team beaten, and it gets negated really by their loss to Georgia at home.
3) Head to Head game. Georgia went to Mizzou and shut them out...this is big for Georgia.

If Mizzou and Georgia both win out next weekend, Georgia will get the SEC East since it beat Mizzou in head to head play...only fair way to do it really...if all that above makes any sense...

[BodyBagz]

Not official but Herbstreit is suggesting that Ohio State jumps Miss St. into the number 4 spot despite the Bulldogs blowing out Vandy today. I guess OSU's 42-24 win over Indiana was more impressive than Miss St's 51-0 shutout of Vandy.

He was saying last week they should have been in the Top 4 already...and he may very well get his wish.

Just after todays games, I can see the CFP Committee doing some more crazyness...its the Week of Underwhelming Wins...

#1 Oregon (better win over a Conference school with a losing record)
#2 Alabama (struggled early with a Div II school)
#3 Miss State (quality domination of a Conference school with a losing record)
#4 Ohio State (squashed a Conference school with a losing record)
#5 FSU (win by 3 at the :07 mark after struggling all game really)

[Alabama Slammer]

BodyBagz...explain to me how Mizzu doesn't win the SEC East now? Their only game left is with Arkansas who's in the West. They only lost one game in the East...which was to Georgia. On the other hand, the Dogs lost two East games...South Carolina and Florida.

No way in Hell that I'm going to argue that Mizzu is better than Georgia 'cause I don't think they are...but how does it weigh on next week's game?

If Mizzou and Georgia both win out next weekend, Georgia will get the SEC East since it beat Mizzou in head to head play...only fair way to do it really...if all that above makes any sense...

Nope.

Go back and look at your conference wins and losses. Georgia has lost two conference games. Missouri has lost one conference game, with one to play. If Mizzou beats Arkansas, they're SEC East champs due to having a better conference record. If they lose, then Mizzou and UGA will both have identical 6-2 conference records, and then UGA wins the East due to the head to head victory.

[Machado]

It must be November because once again the SEC has scheduled games against weak opponents\Division AA schools

Alabama vs W. Carolina
Auburn vs Samford
Florida vs E. Kentucky
Georgia vs Charleston Southern
S. Carolina vs S. Alabama

This is ridiculous. Each and every SEC team should be penalized for playing these games
in November. This is not good for the sport.
The Pac 12 and Big 10 do not allow for such games to be scheduled.
I hope one of these teams loses today. That would be great to see a SEC tumble down the standings by losing to a cupcake.

Well, would you be just as pissed, less pissed or more pissed if they played these same teams earlier in the season? Or, does it bother you like it does everyone else that the SEC plays these teams at all...cause we all know none of the other Power 5 schools play Div II and FBS schools throughout the year...

Every school in the Power 5 schedules these type games...and the scheduling isnt all on the hands of the larger schools..these smaller schools have schedules to work around as well...and when they play a SEC school has an effect on their national TV viewing, which they dont normally get. No one cares about an unranked Alabama playing Western Carolina in Sep...but it sure means viewers when its #1 Alabama playing in November...

Games against these opponents should be played in Sept or not at all.
The season is right in the middle of the conference games and then you see these SEC teams scheduling cupcakes.
Why not take a bye instead? Why not go idle? TCU was idle this weekend and I give them more props for doing so instead of playing one of the teams mentioned above.

The only people that care about the games being played in Nov are the Bama coaches and the back up players that get on the field.

[BodyBagz]

BodyBagz...explain to me how Mizzu doesn't win the SEC East now? Their only game left is with Arkansas who's in the West. They only lost one game in the East...which was to Georgia. On the other hand, the Dogs lost two East games...South Carolina and Florida.

No way in Hell that I'm going to argue that Mizzu is better than Georgia 'cause I don't think they are...but how does it weigh on next week's game?

If Mizzou and Georgia both win out next weekend, Georgia will get the SEC East since it beat Mizzou in head to head play...only fair way to do it really...if all that above makes any sense...

Nope.

Go back and look at your conference wins and losses. Georgia has lost two conference games. Missouri has lost one conference game, with one to play. If Mizzou beats Arkansas, they're SEC East champs due to having a better conference record. If they lose, then Mizzou and UGA will both have identical 6-2 conference records, and then UGA wins the East due to the head to head victory.

Youre correct...I did miss the conference games aspect...not sure how I missed em, but I did...

[NeverSurrender]

If Auburn beats Bama... oh boy I can only imagine. Especially if Ole Miss also beast MIss St. What SEC team would they try to shove in there then?

This thing is a bigger clusterfuck than my fantasy league.

[DaveB]

If Auburn beats Bama... oh boy I can only imagine. Especially if Ole Miss also beast MIss St. What SEC team would they try to shove in there then?

This thing is a bigger clusterfuck than my fantasy league.

That's why everyone doing their selection segments and articles a month ago was so amusing to me. I just wanted to see one of the "experts" on ESPN say, "Fuck if I know!"

[BodyBagz]

If Auburn beats Bama... oh boy I can only imagine. Especially if Ole Miss also beast MIss St. What SEC team would they try to shove in there then?

If Alabama loses to Auburn and Miss State loses to Ole Miss, there wont be an SEC representative in the inaugural playoff...unless Alabama is only dropped to #4. I dont see anyway for Alabama to stay in the top 4 if they lose to Auburn...its just too much of a gap considering Auburns rank at this time...

[BodyBagz]

Well, its here finally...Rival Weekend, and there be repercussions aplenty for several teams.

Most important it seems, will be the Iron Bowl. CFP #1 Alabama hosts CFP #15 Auburn. If Alabama wins, they are guaranteed the SEC West and a spot in the 1st College Football Playoff...lose and they may still make the SEC if Ole Miss beats Miss State, but would fall out of the Top 4 and not make the Playoff. Auburn is playing just to be the spoiler..a win for them has no real benefit for them as their season is done, but it will bump their Bowl selection some.

The Civil War, CFP #2 Oregon vs unranked Oregon State. Oregon should make quick work of their instate rival, but like all rival games, strange things can and do happen from time to time. Oregon State will be out to play spoiler, and a loss here would kill Oregon`s chances of staying in the Top 4. Look for Marcus Mariotta to seal his Heisman march in this game.

CFP #3 Florida State has the unranked Florida Gators. Alot of people will chalk this up as an "easy win" for FSU given Floridas lackluster season, but, be prepared for Florida to play their hardest for several reasons; this is Coach Muschamps last game, send him out with a good win, its the instate rival game, a win here would likely knock FSU out of the Top 4 and a bid for back-to-back Championships. If FSU plays Florida the same as they have played their last 6 games, look for Florida to cause the upset!

CFP #4 Miss State heads to Oxford for the Egg Bowl against CFP #18 Ole Miss Rebels. Miss State needs to win this to keep their SEC West hopes alive...especially if Auburn were to beat Alabama. If Miss State loses here and Alabama loses to Auburn, Alabama will get the nod over MSU and head to the SEC Championship. A win here also keeps MSU in the CFP Payoff..a loss sends them home to a lesser Bowl game.

CFP #9 Georgia hosts CFP #16 Georgia Tech. Georgia needs this win, just for bragging rights.

CFP #6 Ohio State is locked in right now against unranked Michigan, 7 -7 in the 2nd. Ohio State has to win this to keep their chance of moving into the Top 4 alive if any of the Top 4 lose today. Michigan just wants to play spoiler.

**Well, I missed the fact that Arkansas and Mizzou played last night, and Mizzou won. So, knowing that, Georgia will be playing just for their pride as Mizzou sealed up the SEC East last night, for the 2nd straight year, and will advance to the SEC Championship.**

[eddie lee roth]

Ohio State QB just had his leg fucked up big time.

[DaveB]

Well, this is going to be interesting.

Top three remain the same...but who jumps to number four? Seems like everyone is itching to get Ohio State in the top four but since TCU won again...I just can't see it happening. Shouldn't happen, anyway. TCU has played a tougher schedule than OSU and have simply looked better.

So this week we get Bama against Missouri. I can't believe that Mizzu won out...can't believe it. I guess they're for real. I still don't see them getting past Bama though.

Oregon plays Arizona...a rematch against the only team they've lost to this season. I'll give this one to the Ducks.

Florida State had another "dominating" performance against Florida today and gets Georgia Tech who knocked off Georgia today. I keep expecting the Noles to get beat any time but they keep pulling it out. Who knows. But FSU keeps winning so why stop now?

TCU gets Iowa State. I think TCU could give the starters a break and still win this game.

Ohio State gets Wisconsin. With Barrett out, I would imagine that OSU's hopes of landing in the playoff is over.

That said, my playoff picture looks like this.

1. Alabama vs 4. TCU
2. Oregon vs 3. Florida St.

[BodyBagz]

Well, this is going to be interesting.

Top three remain the same...but who jumps to number four? Seems like everyone is itching to get Ohio State in the top four but since TCU won again...I just can't see it happening. Shouldn't happen, anyway. TCU has played a tougher schedule than OSU and have simply looked better.
TCU will move up...they beat Texas by 28 points..this looks better (in my eyes anyway), than Ohio States win over Michigan, 42 - 28.

So this week we get Bama against Missouri. I can't believe that Mizzu won out...can't believe it. I guess they're for real. I still don't see them getting past Bama though.
Make no mistake, Mizzou is real. I dont know if the move to the SEC has made them step it up, but they have come on and played like an SEC team since they got here...this is afterall their 2nd SEC East title, since joining in 2012. Alabama had better come prepared...Auburn wanted to play spoiler tonight, and failed...now Mizzou will want to go above spoiling and take an SEC Championship...they will play with everything they have!

Oregon plays Arizona...a rematch against the only team they've lost to this season. I'll give this one to the Ducks.
Yeah, I dont see Arizona making a 2nd win in this contest. Marcus Mariotta is having a season to remember, has all but sealed up a Heisman...no way Oregon doesnt pull out all the stops in this one.

Florida State had another "dominating" performance against Florida today and gets Georgia Tech who knocked off Georgia today. I keep expecting the Noles to get beat any time but they keep pulling it out. Who knows. But FSU keeps winning so why stop now?
FSU is playing with Jesus on the sideline is all I can figure... Seriously though, if they play like this against Georgia Tech, they may very well find themselves on the outside looking in when the final CFP Poll is released! Georgia Tech, while not a great team this year, are a handful, especially if you play like Georgia did today...fumbles and interceptions...like Jameis Winston threw today. Where a Florida team couldnt capitalize, a Georgia Tech can and will.

TCU gets Iowa State. I think TCU could give the starters a break and still win this game.
TCU should take this one easily, but lets not forget that a couple years ago, Iowa State played spoiler and helped Oklahoma State lose out to Alabama to get into the BCS National Championship against LSU...they could possibly throw a wrench right in TCU`s plans.

Ohio State gets Wisconsin. With Barrett out, I would imagine that OSU's hopes of landing in the playoff is over.
They can still get in, but its going to take 3rd stringer Cardale Jones to keep the Buckeyes winning...and he really is unproven at this time. If TCU has a hiccup and Ohio State skates by, look for Ohio State to make that jump.

That said, my playoff picture looks like this.

1. Alabama vs 4. TCU
2. Oregon vs 3. Florida St.

I agree with your Top 4 playoff...until next weekend at least...

I will add, just to keep from making a 2nd post, that this years Iron Bowl was fucking spectacular...for all the wrong reasons!
I knew there wouldnt be any real stupid shit like last years "kick 6" because Saban couldnt make another blunder like that and keep his head...but damn if it didnt look like Blake Sims was falling the fuck apart in the 1st half! He threw 3 interceptions...he only had 4 for the damn season up until tonight...and it looked like Saban was going to pull him...but I think Kiffin might have intervened, and they let him pull himself out of the hole he had dug, and man did he ever. Thankfully, Amari Cooper, Derek Henry, TJ Yeldon and DeAndre White were all available with shovels as well.

I have to give Auburn credit as well...Nick Marshall and Sammy Coates were burning Alabama Safetys with ease! I cant understand just how in the hell Sammy Coates catches some of the passes that he reigns in??? He will be a hell of a player when he hits the NFL...dude just makes uncatchable passes catchable somehow...and he sprints like a damn deer!

Alabama will head into the SEC Championship against Mizzou...and they had better get all their shit in the same sock. Mizzou will jump on any and all errors when possible, and they will put points on the board...they want that 1st SEC title bad...Roll Tide Roll....

[DaveB]

You Bama fans better hope that Sims got his "bad game" out of his system with that 'cause like you said, it seems that Mizzu is for real. And if Mizzu *does* win, SEC is out of the playoff picture. And wouldn't a lot of people love that? LOL

[NeverSurrender]

Please go back and see where I told all you clowns you were overrating the SEC Especially Dave, with his "8 years ago" bullshit.

Alabama may very well have the best team once again, but it doesn't make the SEC as good as the honks or ESPN will have you believe.

The SEC was 0-4 against the ACC yesterday.

[Frett_Bored]

I would love for Mizzou to beat Bama. Then the mighty SEC champ has a blemish the size of a golf ball in the form of Big Ten doormat Indiana.

Unfortunately, I don't see Bama losing.

I think it's possible that Ohio State will jump to #4, if the committee takes the view of "If they can beat Wisconsin with their 3rd string QB, they deserve it. If they lose, TCU will replace them anyway."