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that revenue sharing must be working. how will they pay for draisaitl?pieceofme wrote:http://www.tsn.ca/live/talent/mcdavid-c ... n-1.791267
McDavid deal could be $13.25m per year! Quite a bit more than $9.7m!
Worth it though!
as much as I wanted him to take less..he's taking exactly what Crosby took ( % wise of current cap ), can't say I blame him..honestly, I just glad they have him for another 9 years, which in 2026 I'm sure this deal will look like peanuts as teh cap could be as high as $110 Million by then..they dumped Pouliot as well...I'd love to see them sign a guy like Jagr or Hartnell.pieceofme wrote:http://www.tsn.ca/live/talent/mcdavid-c ... n-1.791267
McDavid deal could be $13.25m per year! Quite a bit more than $9.7m!
Worth it though!
NeverSurrender wrote:Almost everybody re-signs their superstars.
But I do not expect John Tavares to sign on for any more years of the Garth Snow experience. And I'll be leaving with him. Only the Isles could change owners, and keep that moron around.
jizzyjizim wrote:NeverSurrender wrote:Almost everybody re-signs their superstars.
But I do not expect John Tavares to sign on for any more years of the Garth Snow experience. And I'll be leaving with him. Only the Isles could change owners, and keep that moron around.
Eberle on his wing might be enough incentive to stay for a couple more years?
Pretty sure I said that.jizzyjizim wrote:as much as I wanted him to take less..he's taking exactly what Crosby took ( % wise of current cap ), can't say I blame him..honestly, I just glad they have him for another 9 years, which in 2026 I'm sure this deal will look like peanuts as teh cap could be as high as $110 Million by then..they dumped Pouliot as well...I'd love to see them sign a guy like Jagr or Hartnell.pieceofme wrote:http://www.tsn.ca/live/talent/mcdavid-c ... n-1.791267
McDavid deal could be $13.25m per year! Quite a bit more than $9.7m!
Worth it though!
And yeah, Price is arguably the best in the game, but he's not that much better than his peers.Everyone said the same thing when he signed his last contract at 6.5 million. The cap goes up every year, and It's a game of leapfrog really. Hotlby will be due and surpass Price, maybe others as well. The # to look at is % of cap.pieceofme wrote:Carey Price signs 8 year $10.5M contract.
No goalie is worth that much.
Trying to justify it I see. That percentage of the cap on a goaltender is ludicrous. I'm well aware of the cap percentage as per my talk about McDavid on the previous page!WOLF wrote:Everyone said the same thing when he signed his last contract at 6.5 million. The cap goes up every year, and It's a game of leapfrog really. Hotlby will be due and surpass Price, maybe others as well. The # to look at is % of cap.pieceofme wrote:Carey Price signs 8 year $10.5M contract.
No goalie is worth that much.
One thing Bergevin has done well is time the expiry and renewal of contracts. Example: Price gets a 3.5 million raise, Plekanec's 6 million comes off the books.
Price's contract doesn't kick in for another year. Bergevin said what he said as a negotiating tactic. Habs have 16 million in cap space for this season. If Radulov gets 7 (high), Markov 6, and Galchenyuk 4.5 as s RFA they just need to move a 1.5 million player to be cap compliant this year. Next year 6 million is off the books with Plekanec, 1.2 with Torrey Mitchell, and the cap will go up slightly. Bergy's just playing the game.pieceofme wrote:Trying to justify it I see. That percentage of the cap on a goaltender is ludicrous. I'm well aware of the cap percentage as per my talk about McDavid on the previous page!WOLF wrote:Everyone said the same thing when he signed his last contract at 6.5 million. The cap goes up every year, and It's a game of leapfrog really. Hotlby will be due and surpass Price, maybe others as well. The # to look at is % of cap.pieceofme wrote:Carey Price signs 8 year $10.5M contract.
No goalie is worth that much.
One thing Bergevin has done well is time the expiry and renewal of contracts. Example: Price gets a 3.5 million raise, Plekanec's 6 million comes off the books.
This hopefully means the Habs will be mediocre for years. Sounds good!
Bergevin just said either Markov and Radulov won't be back due to this contract. So about doing well with the timing......
I think you mean Matthews..Kid-Wicked wrote:patrick marleau signs with toronto. remember when NOBODY wanted to play there?
must have promised him a spot with mcdavid so he can pad his stats since they still aren't winning a cup.
ah fuck. yes. but the way the toronto media is, it's only a matter of time before he plays there.jizzyjizim wrote:I think you mean Matthews..Kid-Wicked wrote:patrick marleau signs with toronto. remember when NOBODY wanted to play there?
must have promised him a spot with mcdavid so he can pad his stats since they still aren't winning a cup.
***edit because I can see in the futureKid-Wicked wrote:patrick marleau signs with toronto. remember when NOBODY wanted to play there?
must have promised him a spot with mathews so he can pad his stats since they still aren't winning a cup.
Kid-Wicked wrote:ah fuck. yes. but the way the toronto media is, it's only a matter of time before he plays there.jizzyjizim wrote:I think you mean Matthews..Kid-Wicked wrote:patrick marleau signs with toronto. remember when NOBODY wanted to play there?
must have promised him a spot with mcdavid so he can pad his stats since they still aren't winning a cup.
He's a huge fan of Crosby, and was a Pens fan as well I believe. It is funny that these same Toronto fans weren't saying the same thing about Matthews and Arizona!jizzyjizim wrote:Kid-Wicked wrote:ah fuck. yes. but the way the toronto media is, it's only a matter of time before he plays there.jizzyjizim wrote:
I think you mean Matthews..
ya, if you went by Toronto media, he's supposed to bolt after his ELC and sign with the Leafs because he was so disappointed when the Oilers won the lottery, honeslty yes, I'm sure growing up a Leafs fan in Ontario he would have loved being drafted by the Leafs but he's on the verge of signing an 8 year extension, I think he's pretty happy.
pieceofme wrote:He's a huge fan of Crosby, and was a Pens fan as well I believe. It is funny that these same Toronto fans weren't saying the same thing about Matthews and Arizona!jizzyjizim wrote:Kid-Wicked wrote:
ah fuck. yes. but the way the toronto media is, it's only a matter of time before he plays there.
ya, if you went by Toronto media, he's supposed to bolt after his ELC and sign with the Leafs because he was so disappointed when the Oilers won the lottery, honeslty yes, I'm sure growing up a Leafs fan in Ontario he would have loved being drafted by the Leafs but he's on the verge of signing an 8 year extension, I think he's pretty happy.
jizzyjizim wrote:Kid-Wicked wrote:ah fuck. yes. but the way the toronto media is, it's only a matter of time before he plays there.jizzyjizim wrote:
I think you mean Matthews..
ya, if you went by Toronto media, he's supposed to bolt after his ELC and sign with the Leafs because he was so disappointed when the Oilers won the lottery, honeslty yes, I'm sure growing up a Leafs fan in Ontario he would have loved being drafted by the Leafs but he's on the verge of signing an 8 year extension, I think he's pretty happy.
Well officially $12.5m per season. Wonder how much Drai will get.pieceofme wrote:http://www.tsn.ca/live/talent/mcdavid-c ... n-1.791267
McDavid deal could be $13.25m per year! Quite a bit more than $9.7m!
Worth it though!
I like this contract, he left $20 million on the table over the 8 year contract, he could have taken the max and he didn't, any GM in the leugue would have given it to him too, Draisaitl contract will be interesting though, I'm really hoping he gets something under 8, I don't think he deserves that much ( yet anyway ) he's had 1 good season, I'd give him a bridge contract and let him prove he can drive his own line.pieceofme wrote:Well officially $12.5m per season. Wonder how much Drai will get.pieceofme wrote:http://www.tsn.ca/live/talent/mcdavid-c ... n-1.791267
McDavid deal could be $13.25m per year! Quite a bit more than $9.7m!
Worth it though!
he left 6 million on the table not 20. for a guy that's played just over a season and has a soft shoulder I think they're over paying him. he hasn't won anything. he hasn't earned his contract. I bet he would say the same thing. that contract will cripple that team in the long run the same way price's will burn montreal.jizzyjizim wrote:I like this contract, he left $20 million on the table over the 8 year contract, he could have taken the max and he didn't, any GM in the leugue would have given it to him too, Draisaitl contract will be interesting though, I'm really hoping he gets something under 8, I don't think he deserves that much ( yet anyway ) he's had 1 good season, I'd give him a bridge contract and let him prove he can drive his own line.pieceofme wrote:Well officially $12.5m per season. Wonder how much Drai will get.pieceofme wrote:http://www.tsn.ca/live/talent/mcdavid-c ... n-1.791267
McDavid deal could be $13.25m per year! Quite a bit more than $9.7m!
Worth it though!
Kid-Wicked wrote:he left 6 million on the table not 20. for a guy that's played just over a season and has a soft shoulder I think they're over paying him. he hasn't won anything. he hasn't earned his contract. I bet he would say the same thing. that contract will cripple that team in the long run the same way price's will burn montreal.jizzyjizim wrote:I like this contract, he left $20 million on the table over the 8 year contract, he could have taken the max and he didn't, any GM in the leugue would have given it to him too, Draisaitl contract will be interesting though, I'm really hoping he gets something under 8, I don't think he deserves that much ( yet anyway ) he's had 1 good season, I'd give him a bridge contract and let him prove he can drive his own line.pieceofme wrote:
Well officially $12.5m per season. Wonder how much Drai will get.
Your hope was off!jizzyjizim wrote:pieceofme wrote:Well, $4m just went to Russell!jizzyjizim wrote:Jordan Eberle for Ryan Strome...can't say I'm surprised at this, this is nothing more than a salary dump, they are gonna need some coin to sign McDavid/Drasaitl...my guess is Eberle will get a shot to play with Tavares.
Rumours of McDavid getting $14m! Think it will be between $12m and $13m tbh.
they really like Russell, to me he's an ok dman, was a warrior in the playoffs and led the league in blocked shots during the regular season, it's a top heavy contract, so in year 4 he's set to make $2.5 million, I think he'll be gone by then though. I can't see McD asking for $14 Million ( he cripples the team asking for that much, I am hoping for something around $9.7 - $11 million.)
Deep down, I knew he wasn't gonna sign for $9.7, that was a pipe dream ... I'm just glad he didn't ask for max.. he's worth every penny of $12.5, hell I think he's worth 15 as much as I'm glad he didn't ask for that because he would have gotten it, signing Connor wasn't the concern for me it's signing Draisaitl that makes me worried , I think he's a great player but not near worth $9 million a year but you know what, I bet he get $8.. I think he's worth 6-7... but it's not my money so fuck it, sign em all!!pieceofme wrote:Your hope was off!jizzyjizim wrote:pieceofme wrote:
Well, $4m just went to Russell!
Rumours of McDavid getting $14m! Think it will be between $12m and $13m tbh.
they really like Russell, to me he's an ok dman, was a warrior in the playoffs and led the league in blocked shots during the regular season, it's a top heavy contract, so in year 4 he's set to make $2.5 million, I think he'll be gone by then though. I can't see McD asking for $14 Million ( he cripples the team asking for that much, I am hoping for something around $9.7 - $11 million.)
I like how you're now justifying the $12.5m btw.
Years ago people said Crosby's contract would cripple the Pens. Then it was Price's 6.5M contract, then Toews/Kane, now McDavid and Price's new contract.Kid-Wicked wrote:he left 6 million on the table not 20. for a guy that's played just over a season and has a soft shoulder I think they're over paying him. he hasn't won anything. he hasn't earned his contract. I bet he would say the same thing. that contract will cripple that team in the long run the same way price's will burn montreal.jizzyjizim wrote:I like this contract, he left $20 million on the table over the 8 year contract, he could have taken the max and he didn't, any GM in the leugue would have given it to him too, Draisaitl contract will be interesting though, I'm really hoping he gets something under 8, I don't think he deserves that much ( yet anyway ) he's had 1 good season, I'd give him a bridge contract and let him prove he can drive his own line.pieceofme wrote:
Well officially $12.5m per season. Wonder how much Drai will get.
no one was saying $15, they say he was offered $13.5. that's $6 million left not $20.jizzyjizim wrote:Kid-Wicked wrote:he left 6 million on the table not 20. for a guy that's played just over a season and has a soft shoulder I think they're over paying him. he hasn't won anything. he hasn't earned his contract. I bet he would say the same thing. that contract will cripple that team in the long run the same way price's will burn montreal.jizzyjizim wrote:
I like this contract, he left $20 million on the table over the 8 year contract, he could have taken the max and he didn't, any GM in the leugue would have given it to him too, Draisaitl contract will be interesting though, I'm really hoping he gets something under 8, I don't think he deserves that much ( yet anyway ) he's had 1 good season, I'd give him a bridge contract and let him prove he can drive his own line.
No, he left $20 million.. he could have taken the max which was $15 per season ( and every GM in the league would have given it to him ) but he took $12.5 which is $2.5 less X 8 = $20 million.. and no you're right, he hasn't won anything, I agree with you there but the kid did just win the Hart, Art Ross and Ted Lindsey.. he took less than Crosby (% of the cap ) after his ELC so why is his contract gonna cripple the team? He signed an 8 year extension too which is the best part, his $12.5 million contract will look like peanuts in 4/5 years with the cap going up ( as it has over recent years ), I'd take McDavid $12.5 over Price's $10.5 any day of the week.
Actually, that has hit the Hawks hard. So bad example.WOLF wrote:Years ago people said Crosby's contract would cripple the Pens. Then it was Price's 6.5M contract, then Toews/Kane, now McDavid and Price's new contract.Kid-Wicked wrote:he left 6 million on the table not 20. for a guy that's played just over a season and has a soft shoulder I think they're over paying him. he hasn't won anything. he hasn't earned his contract. I bet he would say the same thing. that contract will cripple that team in the long run the same way price's will burn montreal.jizzyjizim wrote:
I like this contract, he left $20 million on the table over the 8 year contract, he could have taken the max and he didn't, any GM in the leugue would have given it to him too, Draisaitl contract will be interesting though, I'm really hoping he gets something under 8, I don't think he deserves that much ( yet anyway ) he's had 1 good season, I'd give him a bridge contract and let him prove he can drive his own line.
Nobody is getting crippled. The cap has gone up EVERY year since the new CBA came in. Every team is always going to have a few guys who are overpaid, and a few who are underpaid. Buyouts to make room are always in play. Certain players can be put in the minors, paid NHL money, and not count against the cap in full. Every team has bad contracts coming off the books every year.
Using the Habs as an example:
- Maybe Price is overpaid as of next year, but his cap hit is only $4M more than this year;
- Cap will go up by about $2M;
- Plekanec's $6M comes off the books at the end of this year. So Price is more than covered;
Pacioretty is a steal at $4.5M cap hit for two more years for a 35 goal scorer.
Also, you can see a trend emerging of teams investing big $ in 3-4 guys, and then filling out their roster with cheaper options on the 3rd/4th lines, 5-6D spots, and back up goalie.
McDavid's deal will be great in a few years. Draisaitl will be interesting . If the league was not an old boys network, someone would offer sheet him.
On top of all this, it should get really interesting in Leafs land in a few years, with all that young talent coming due at once.
Meh. Last I checked they still had Kane, Toews, Saad, Anisimov, Keith, Seabrook, and Crawford.pieceofme wrote:Actually, that has hit the Hawks hard. So bad example.WOLF wrote:Years ago people said Crosby's contract would cripple the Pens. Then it was Price's 6.5M contract, then Toews/Kane, now McDavid and Price's new contract.Kid-Wicked wrote:
he left 6 million on the table not 20. for a guy that's played just over a season and has a soft shoulder I think they're over paying him. he hasn't won anything. he hasn't earned his contract. I bet he would say the same thing. that contract will cripple that team in the long run the same way price's will burn montreal.
Nobody is getting crippled. The cap has gone up EVERY year since the new CBA came in. Every team is always going to have a few guys who are overpaid, and a few who are underpaid. Buyouts to make room are always in play. Certain players can be put in the minors, paid NHL money, and not count against the cap in full. Every team has bad contracts coming off the books every year.
Using the Habs as an example:
- Maybe Price is overpaid as of next year, but his cap hit is only $4M more than this year;
- Cap will go up by about $2M;
- Plekanec's $6M comes off the books at the end of this year. So Price is more than covered;
Pacioretty is a steal at $4.5M cap hit for two more years for a 35 goal scorer.
Also, you can see a trend emerging of teams investing big $ in 3-4 guys, and then filling out their roster with cheaper options on the 3rd/4th lines, 5-6D spots, and back up goalie.
McDavid's deal will be great in a few years. Draisaitl will be interesting . If the league was not an old boys network, someone would offer sheet him.
On top of all this, it should get really interesting in Leafs land in a few years, with all that young talent coming due at once.