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Terrible, terrible call. That ump is gonna hate himself.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8616789

MLB Network keeps showing the replay. That ump deserves all the shit he's gonna get for this.

That Austin Jackson catch was amazing though.

You've gotta be kidding me with that shit. Wow.

What is amazing to me is that in that case you give the close call to the pitcher. That said, it wasn't even a close call (he said after viewing slow-mo replay over and over). Just a horrible call to make.

When reached for comment, Bud Selig said "how'd the Yankees do tonight?"

That Jackson catch was amazing. It almost looked to me like the ump was gonna call him out, and then inexplicably changed his mind. He must like being a dickhead...

Here's the play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_MmocTrkps

What's crazy is it would've been the 3rd perfect game thrown in the the last 23 days. Yet only the 21st in history. Apparently, the ball is the opposite of juiced now...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... ect-game/1

Galaragga said Joyce apologized to him for getting it wrong.

I just cost the kid a perfect game," said Joyce , who became a full-time umpire in 1989. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw until I was the replay. It was the biggest call of my career."

More quotes:

" I just cost that kid a perfect game,’’ Joyce said. " I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."

" It was the biggest call of my career," said Joyce, who became a full-time major league umpire in 1989.

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Joyce faced a group of hostile Tigers – led by Leyland – between the pitching mound and home plate after the final out and was booed lustily by the crowd of 17,738 as he walked off the field.

" I don’t blame them a bit or anything that was said,‘’ Joyce said. " I would’ve said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would’ve been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me."





Not that it does much good, but at least he admitted he blew the call.

Imagine if Joe West had been involved in that game...

fuck. ya got to feel for the guy. that really sucks.

the commish should step up here. the ump admit he blew the call. throw him a bone. change the call. it doesn't change the outcome of the game.


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Unfuckingreal. That's a damn shame right there. Joyce is NOT going to enjoy going to work tomorrow. Selig is an asshat, he won't change it.
Galaragga is a class act, though!

OK, Joyce is really being a man about it and owning up. I'm really surprised that the crew chief didn't get involved and maybe overrule him.

Baseball umpiring is easily the worst officiating in all of sports. Until there is accountability and the umpires realize that they aren't the show then it will continue as is. The way to fix it is to bring in instant replay for all calls except balls and strikes or at very least allow each manager to challenge 2 or 3 calls a game and then review them. They also need to do away with the Umpires Union and make umps individual employees of MLB again. Then they can review them and grade them and get rid of the bad ones at the end of each season.

Don Denkinger revisited.

ParaDime77 wrote:Don Denkinger revisited.

Good job mentioning his name. There is 1 former umpire who might be forgotten now because Joyce has replaced him for the time being.

Have to give credit to the tigers pitcher for his post-game comments.

Same goes for Joyce. He faced the media like a man, owned up to his mistake. Nobody feels worse about the blown call then Joyce himself.

MLB should overturn the call and give the kid his perfect game.
Not sure if anything like that has been done before in the game, but right now that sounds like a great idea.

I'm all for preserving the sanctity of the game. Blown plays are part of the experience, whether it be players, managers or umpires. That said, the level of universal agreement that the call was wrong coupled with the lack of effect on the outcome calls for Selig to reverse the ruling and give Galarraga his perfect game.

From AP:

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling. St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa says the call should be overturned.

In 1991, a panel headed by then-commissioner Fay Vincent took a look at the record book and decided to throw out 50 no-hitters for various reasons.

johnk5150 wrote:From AP:

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling. St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa says the call should be overturned.

In 1991, a panel headed by then-commissioner Fay Vincent took a look at the record book and decided to throw out 50 no-hitters for various reasons.

I heard something like this last night. He does have the power to reverse the call
Whether he will or not is another story.

Considering that Denkinger received death threats for 20 years after his mistake, it would be in Selig's best interest to overturn the blown call and make it go away. General Motors gave Gallaraga a brand new Corvette for the feat today.

ParaDime77 wrote:Considering that Denkinger received death threats for 20 years after his mistake, it would be in Selig's best interest to overturn the blown call and make it go away. General Motors gave Gallaraga a brand new Corvette for the feat today.

Joyce's family is already being threatened.

Machado wrote:

johnk5150 wrote:From AP:

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling. St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa says the call should be overturned.

In 1991, a panel headed by then-commissioner Fay Vincent took a look at the record book and decided to throw out 50 no-hitters for various reasons.

I heard something like this last night. He does have the power to reverse the call
Whether he will or not is another story.

Since we're talking about Selig, the answer is he will do the wrong thing and not overturn it.

As far as I'm concerned Galaragga got the perfect game...Actually, 1 better. IMO the guy got 28 consecutive batters out.

If it was a bang-bang either way call, or a dead tie, I'd go with the ruling on the field and be fine with that. It's the nature of the game and part of the human element..

An umpire's ruling on the 27th batter has denied a perfect game at least once before that I am aware of ,and that happened on a ball/strike call.

( On September 2, 1972, Milt Pappas of the Chicago Cubs walked San Diego Padres pinch hitter Larry Stahl on a borderline 3–2 pitch. He was the 27th batter. Pappas finished with a no-hitter. The umpire, Bruce Froemming, was in his second year; he went on to a 37-year career in which he umpired a record 11 no-hitters. Pappas believed he had struck out Stahl, and years later continued to bear ill will toward Froemming. )

I've seen the replay of that, and the call could have gone either way. It wasnt blown, it was just the umpires judgement. You'd like to have seen Froemming ring the guy up, but he didnt. If it wasn't the last pitch of that game nobody would have blinked at that pitch being called a ball..I would have been okay with a similiar call to that...But in this case, Joyce flat-out butchered an easy call, even the guys umpiring our local little league games could have gotten that right. He was CLEARLY out, no bang-bang, no tie goes to the runner, he was OUT by 2 feet. No debate.

Galarraga has handled himself with class and should be commended. I've already used him as an example to my 14 yo ball-playing son on how to handle yourself when there is adversity or bad calls on a ballfield. Shit, if Galaragga can handle himself with class in a spot like that, my kid can do it when he gets rung up on a ball 6 inches off the plate in a meaningless club game...

In my book, the guy got himself a 28-out perfect game...I'd like to see the commisioner step up here, do the right thing, and give it to him. Even if it comes with an asterisk attached...

Once again a Major Sport in America has failed at being pro-active.

It quite possibly will take a pitcher losing a perfect game before further instant replay rules are put in play, for the benefit of the game.

Pathetic

No excuse

MLB Offices has no balls.

All they care about is how many fans are in the stadium, how much revenue is being generated from Merch sales, etc....
$$$ is the bottom line
The game and their rules are nowhere near a top priority.

Greedy fucking suits!!
Baseball comissioner Bud Selig said he would look at the game's umpiring system and the expanded use of instant replay, but would not reverse the blown call that cost Armando Galarraga of the Detroit Tigers a perfect game on Wednesday night.

"While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed," Selig said in a statement. "Given last night's call and other recent events, I will examine our umpiring system, the expanded use of instant replay and all other related features."

Selig said he would consult with baseball's labor unions and the game's special committee for on-field matters before announcing any decisions.

Selig also praised umpire Jim Jouce, whose blown call in the bottom of the ninth cost Galarraga the perfect game, as well as Galarraga and Tigers manager Jim Leyland for the way they handled the situation.

The Iron Sheik knows what's up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZvXJsm6 ... r_embedded

Dudes, I was playing a little Tommy Lasorda Baseball on the old Genesis today and I was perfect through eight! Ended as a two-hit shutout. Can't blame it on the umps, though. All they do is stand there and move their heads along with the ball; never seen 'em blow one.

Galarraga is another story. Sucks, but he's now the answer to a trivia question.

Last night's call is a prime example why fat, old umpires (Joe West is a prime example) need to be put to pasture.

Selig is an idiot.
The umpire himself admitted the call was wrong.
The pitcher covering 1st base went out of his way to explain how the umpire apologized for making the wrong call.

Selig could overturn the call and make this situation right.
Sounds easy, but of course Selig won't do it.

For fear of setting a precedent or for fear of harming the game.
Give me a break. Selig is harming the game by not doing the right thing.

If Selig would have overturned the call on the night of this game, Joyce would not have had to have a restless night, his family would not have been subjected to physical threats, etc...

Machado wrote: For fear of setting a precedent or for fear of harming the game.
Give me a break. Selig is harming the game by not doing the right thing.

if he changes this, then in the future people will think it is a precedent for changes involving more gray area situations...

u will never get a clear-cut situation like this again, where the final out was played in a vacuum

imagine if the bad call happened with one out, and then he retired the next 2 hitters, or got a double-play

then, u will always have idiots in the future who will want that overturned, not realizing that baseball is not played in a vacuum

The ONLY situation where the last 2 hitters can be played in a vacuum is the situation that occurred...Selig is trying to avoid setting a precedent, not for the case at hand should it occur again, but for a gray-area case such as the one described above

unfortunately, people need their wrists slapped and cant confine a situation to that situation only...Selig took the easy way out because of this...i dont blame him

if anything, there should be a stipulation for this type of case ONLY, that is, a bad call with 2 outs in a perfect game...ONLY then, can it be reviewed and overturned...why Selig did not propose this I dont know, but I can understand why he didnt want to get into the complications of it cuz it opens up a can of worms

and then when u do that, u have more pressure for replay, which is unnecessary during the game...so then, u dont have urself a ballgame anymore, but a goddamn court case like u do in the NFL

Fuck replay