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I hate the Big Ten. How moronic is it that a collegiate conference with 11 teams is called the "Big Ten." The Big Ten is on record stating even if they expand to 20 teams, they will always be the Big Ten. I watch MAC sports. I am an Ohio University alumni and that is where my money goes. Was just at an alumni dinner with Frank Solich two weeks ago. Great dude.tyke wrote:I'm sick of all the talking and posturing and prognasticating. Either get it done, or don't bring it up at all. I wish the Big Ten and PAC-10 would hurry up and decide what they're going to do so that I can get back to my regularly scheduled anticipation of the 2010 football season. (Roll Tide and Geaux Saints!)
Tymaster wrote:I hate the Big Ten. How moronic is it that a collegiate conference with 11 teams is called the "Big Ten." The Big Ten is on record stating even if they expand to 20 teams, they will always be the Big Ten. I watch MAC sports. I am an Ohio University alumni and that is where my money goes. Was just at an alumni dinner with Frank Solich two weeks ago. Great dude.tyke wrote:I'm sick of all the talking and posturing and prognasticating. Either get it done, or don't bring it up at all. I wish the Big Ten and PAC-10 would hurry up and decide what they're going to do so that I can get back to my regularly scheduled anticipation of the 2010 football season. (Roll Tide and Geaux Saints!)
Confirmed Colorado to the Pac 10.tyke wrote:... and now Colorado is expected to announce it will be joining the PAC-10, and supposedly, the SEC has already reached out to Texas A&M in an attempt to lure both the Aggies and the Longhorns.
Skate, I hate to tell you man, but Kansas basketball may end up in the Mountain West before this is all over.
OSU isn't academically superior to anyone. Case in point: Andy Katzenmoyer. But bring him or Maurice Clarrett up to any Buckeye fans and they cry foul. They banned me from "The Cleveland Fan Message Forum" for calling out OSU fans. Some guy said "Ohio State Football is bigger than religion" and I called him an "idiot." Apparently he was the mod, because I was then emailed that I was "banned." That's an OSU fan for ya!thejuggernaut wrote:Tymaster wrote:I hate the Big Ten. How moronic is it that a collegiate conference with 11 teams is called the "Big Ten." The Big Ten is on record stating even if they expand to 20 teams, they will always be the Big Ten. I watch MAC sports. I am an Ohio University alumni and that is where my money goes. Was just at an alumni dinner with Frank Solich two weeks ago. Great dude.tyke wrote:I'm sick of all the talking and posturing and prognasticating. Either get it done, or don't bring it up at all. I wish the Big Ten and PAC-10 would hurry up and decide what they're going to do so that I can get back to my regularly scheduled anticipation of the 2010 football season. (Roll Tide and Geaux Saints!)
It's more hilarious watching the hopeless Tenners cry how they are academically superior to the SEC, while calling their 11 team conference Ten.
What would you do give the "little guys" like the WAC and the MAC a legitimate chance at a title. The BCS has been cock blocking smaller conferences for years. You can go undefeated and not win the friggin' BCS is you're not in the right conference......thejuggernaut wrote:Confirmed Colorado to the Pac 10.tyke wrote:... and now Colorado is expected to announce it will be joining the PAC-10, and supposedly, the SEC has already reached out to Texas A&M in an attempt to lure both the Aggies and the Longhorns.
Skate, I hate to tell you man, but Kansas basketball may end up in the Mountain West before this is all over.
This is great, the ball is rolling.
I hope the superconference things becomes a reality because it will be another step toward a playoff.
It will probably end up being a Plus 1, but if we're talking 4 superconferences, that's good enough.
In a perfect world the SEC can snag Texas, A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma state.
Ideally, the Big East will vanish when the Big 12 goes and the major conferences will look like this (this is a pipe dream scenario). I realize I am not accounting for Texas Tech in this scenario, and Texas + A&M probably won't go anywhere without TT.
Pac 16
Arizona
Arizona State
Boise State
BYU
California
Hawaii
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
TCU
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington
Washington State
SEC
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Big Ten (16)
Cincinnati
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Syracuse
Wisconsin
ACC
Boston College
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Pitt
Rutgers
South Florida
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West Virginia
If you'll notice, Utah, BYU, TCU and Boise have been absorbed in my scenario.Tymaster wrote:What would you do give the "little guys" like the WAC and the MAC a legitimate chance at a title. The BCS has been cock blocking smaller conferences for years. You can go undefeated and not win the friggin' BCS is you're not in the right conference......thejuggernaut wrote:Confirmed Colorado to the Pac 10.tyke wrote:... and now Colorado is expected to announce it will be joining the PAC-10, and supposedly, the SEC has already reached out to Texas A&M in an attempt to lure both the Aggies and the Longhorns.
Skate, I hate to tell you man, but Kansas basketball may end up in the Mountain West before this is all over.
This is great, the ball is rolling.
I hope the superconference things becomes a reality because it will be another step toward a playoff.
It will probably end up being a Plus 1, but if we're talking 4 superconferences, that's good enough.
In a perfect world the SEC can snag Texas, A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma state.
Ideally, the Big East will vanish when the Big 12 goes and the major conferences will look like this (this is a pipe dream scenario). I realize I am not accounting for Texas Tech in this scenario, and Texas + A&M probably won't go anywhere without TT.
Pac 16
Arizona
Arizona State
Boise State
BYU
California
Hawaii
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
TCU
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington
Washington State
SEC
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Big Ten (16)
Cincinnati
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Syracuse
Wisconsin
ACC
Boston College
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Pitt
Rutgers
South Florida
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West Virginia
It was mumbled by fans for years, then Delany opened his pie hole after Florida stomped OSU.Tymaster wrote:OSU isn't academically superior to anyone. Case in point: Andy Katzenmoyer. But bring him or Maurice Clarrett up to any Buckeye fans and they cry foul. They banned me from "The Cleveland Fan Message Forum" for calling out OSU fans. Some guy said "Ohio State Football is bigger than religion" and I called him an "idiot." Apparently he was the mod, because I was then emailed that I was "banned." That's an OSU fan for ya!thejuggernaut wrote:
It's more hilarious watching the hopeless Tenners cry how they are academically superior to the SEC, while calling their 11 team conference Ten.
Excellent post fine sir. I guess living in Ohio what bugs me most is that most OSU fans haven't ever stepped foot in a college classroom, much less OSU. But in front of every trailer in Ohio is an OSU Buckeye flag! What bugs me even more are people that will pay their way through other Ohio schools like OU, BG, KSU, Toledo, Akron, etc, but still swear by the "scarlet and grey." I just don't get it.thejuggernaut wrote:It was mumbled by fans for years, then Delany opened his pie hole after Florida stomped OSU.Tymaster wrote:OSU isn't academically superior to anyone. Case in point: Andy Katzenmoyer. But bring him or Maurice Clarrett up to any Buckeye fans and they cry foul. They banned me from "The Cleveland Fan Message Forum" for calling out OSU fans. Some guy said "Ohio State Football is bigger than religion" and I called him an "idiot." Apparently he was the mod, because I was then emailed that I was "banned." That's an OSU fan for ya!thejuggernaut wrote:
It's more hilarious watching the hopeless Tenners cry how they are academically superior to the SEC, while calling their 11 team conference Ten.
In a statement more loaded than Florida's recruiting class, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany this week claimed that when it comes to procuring football players his league is more ethical and academically minded than the Southeastern Conference.
Here's what it sounded like he was saying: His league won't compromise its supposed high academic standards to sign a bunch of fast, dumb guys, especially at a position that in the SEC is overwhelmingly played by blacks.
That, apparently, is one reason the SEC signed seven of the top 10 classes nationally according to Rivals.com, the Big Ten got none and Delany lost his mind.
"I love speed and the SEC has great speed, especially on the defensive line, but there are appropriate balances when mixing academics and athletics," wrote Delany on the Big Ten website.
Forty-two of the 48 defensive linemen who started in the final week of SEC play were African-American. Of the 61 defensive line recruits the SEC signed last week, 51 were African-American. Just 23 of 43 Big Ten starters at those positions were black.
So of all the inane Internet message board postings associated with national signing day, the Big Ten commissioner managed the dumbest of them all in an outrageous bit of arrogance that belies his own league's history of rampant cheating and historic scandal.
This wasn't some slip of the tongue in a fast-paced media interview. It was written in an "open letter" on the league website. And this isn't some random ex-NBA ball player. Delany is an attorney who many believe is the most powerful person in all of college athletics.
He was fired up by media coverage pointing out the failures of Big Ten recruiting and the need for the league to get more speed. So he decided to attack the ethics of the ever renegade SEC – "Surely Everybody's Cheating" – which is generally such an easy foil that you don't need to play on stereotypes to mock it.
"I wish we had (seven) teams among the top 10 recruiting classes every year, but winning our way requires some discipline and restraint with the recruitment process," Delany wrote.
"Not every athlete fits athletically, academically or socially at every university. Fortunately, we have been able to balance our athletic and academic mission so that we can compete successfully and keep faith with our academic standards."
This is bizarre on so many levels, even outside Delany equating high speed with low academic performance. Delany was not made available for clarification.
First, when did conference commissioners decide to start slamming other leagues? (SEC commissioner Mike Slive responded with a class email pointing out his league's recent success.) And blaming losses on academic standards? Sure, Delany wants Notre Dame in the Big Ten, but did he have to steal its act?
Finally, where did he get the idea that his league is some bastion of morality and academic purity?
Since Delany took over as commissioner in 1989, the NCAA has hit Big Ten schools 17 separate times for major rule violations, a humiliating average of nearly one cheat per year.
That total doesn't even include two separate point-shaving scandals at Northwestern.
However, it does feature a couple for the record books – Michigan basketball featured the largest monetary amount (an estimated $600,000) and Minnesota basketball produced arguably the worst academic fraud case where a tutor (she must have been a very slow athlete) wrote 400 papers for the players.
Then, of course, there was Maurice Clarett, who if Delany is correct about intelligence and speed, is a shoo-in for gold at the 2008 Olympics – if he can get furloughed, of course.
According to the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate, the SEC's average football score (941.7) is notably better than the Big Ten (931.2). The national average is 929, a number that the majority of the Big Ten (six teams) scored below. Only three of SEC's teams were under.
Look, both leagues are filled with great schools. But this is college football and fans care about winning first, winning second and then, perhaps, winning with players who are good students.
A coach who graduates 90 percent of his players and wins 40 percent of his games will be fired. A coach who graduates 40 percent of his players and wins 90 percent of his games will have the stadium named after him. If a player can deliver a national title, most fans don't care if he can spell "C-A-T" two out of three times.
It's that way in the SEC. It's that way in the Big Ten. It's that way just about everywhere and you'd have to be Carl Lewis fast to be so dumb to pretend otherwise like Delany.
Not that Delany was picking a fight with the Patriot League. The SEC has been caught a record 21 times for major violations since 1989 and had LSU coach Les Miles claim this year "the breaking of rules was much more rampant" (although he could have meant non-SEC schools).
Meanwhile, Big Ten coaches (not Notre Dame) spent the last six months whispering about the recruiting practices of Illinois' Ron Zook.
For his part, Slive has committed the SEC to being "probation free" by 2008. We're sure Delany would like to say the same, but although Iowa gets off that year, Ohio State is on the hook until 2009.
In the meantime, we can't wait to see what gets printed next on the Big Ten website. Will Delany again make blanket statements that disparage hundreds of high school recruits? Or will he complain about how blanket statements that disparage Zook are awful and unfair?
Or maybe he will share a case study on how a high number of fast-twitch muscles prohibit defensive linemen from learning trigonometry? Or reveal, as one blogger put it, "some of his best friends are fast."
Then again, he may just be too busy at another NCAA infractions hearing to post anything.
It doesn't matter how many players they put in the NFL. It's not about the NFL. It's about performance. I am not opposed to a playoff, I favor it. But let's be realistic - Central Florida, Troy etc have proven, time and again, they can't hang with the big boys.Tymaster wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I call bullshit then dude. The Sunbelt, MAC, and the like deserve a "shot." They've all won bowl games and put some studs in the NFL. The recruiting at all of those schools would go to hell in a hand basket if you told them they "didn't count." As a former Athletic Director, I don't dig that line of thinking. College sports is about the student athletes, not the viewership.
If they qualify as NCAA Division I, then they all should have an equal opportunity. Otherwise it's monopolistic b.s. Plain and simple. Central Michigan should have the same chance to win the title as Florida.thejuggernaut wrote:It doesn't matter how many players they put in the NFL. It's not about the NFL. It's about performance. I am not opposed to a playoff, I favor it. But let's be realistic - Central Florida, Troy etc have proven, time and again, they can't hang with the big boys.Tymaster wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I call bullshit then dude. The Sunbelt, MAC, and the like deserve a "shot." They've all won bowl games and put some studs in the NFL. The recruiting at all of those schools would go to hell in a hand basket if you told them they "didn't count." As a former Athletic Director, I don't dig that line of thinking. College sports is about the student athletes, not the viewership.
In fact, in SEC circles, those teams are referred to as non conference cream puffs.
Most of the kids that go to those schools already know they don't have a shot at the national title, so they aim for conference titles.
In fact, most of the "big boys" are more concerned with conference titles than with national titles, on account of the pageant.
No matter what, even with a playoff, there'll be malcontents when it comes to where the floor's cutoff is.
In an ideal world, all the pre New Years day bowls would serve as non finalist fan voted matchups or something to that effect, with the big bowls serving as a playoff for the conference winners, bringing in a couple of others to make sure the bowls and teams even out.
I guess living in Ohio what bugs me most is that most OSU fans haven't ever stepped foot in a college classroom, much less OSU. But in front of every trailer in Ohio is an OSU Buckeye flag! What bugs me even more are people that will pay their way through other Ohio schools like OU, BG, KSU, Toledo, Akron, etc, but still swear by the "scarlet and grey." I just don't get it.[/quote]cc117 wrote:
If they push the MAC, WAC, Mountain West, C-USA, and Sunbelt out then yes it is PURE GREED!Machado wrote:Pure greed is happening before our eyes.
What happened to the "student/athlete"??
Except, they don't.Tymaster wrote:If they qualify as NCAA Division I, then they all should have an equal opportunity. Otherwise it's monopolistic b.s. Plain and simple. Central Michigan should have the same chance to win the title as Florida.thejuggernaut wrote:It doesn't matter how many players they put in the NFL. It's not about the NFL. It's about performance. I am not opposed to a playoff, I favor it. But let's be realistic - Central Florida, Troy etc have proven, time and again, they can't hang with the big boys.Tymaster wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I call bullshit then dude. The Sunbelt, MAC, and the like deserve a "shot." They've all won bowl games and put some studs in the NFL. The recruiting at all of those schools would go to hell in a hand basket if you told them they "didn't count." As a former Athletic Director, I don't dig that line of thinking. College sports is about the student athletes, not the viewership.
In fact, in SEC circles, those teams are referred to as non conference cream puffs.
Most of the kids that go to those schools already know they don't have a shot at the national title, so they aim for conference titles.
In fact, most of the "big boys" are more concerned with conference titles than with national titles, on account of the pageant.
No matter what, even with a playoff, there'll be malcontents when it comes to where the floor's cutoff is.
In an ideal world, all the pre New Years day bowls would serve as non finalist fan voted matchups or something to that effect, with the big bowls serving as a playoff for the conference winners, bringing in a couple of others to make sure the bowls and teams even out.
You cheer for the fucking Oklahoma Sooners and Dallas Cowboys. Don't pretend that you actually give a fuck about the plight of the athlete, the student athlete, and greed.Machado wrote:Pure greed is happening before our eyes.
What happened to the "student/athlete"??
Do you believe this bologna?Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith, who said Big Ten expansion was about increasing the conference's research power "to do some things for our country and our world that need to be focused on. Imagine the schools with cancer centers that could collaborate even better to find a cure for cancer."
Tymaster wrote:What's really sad is that the Big Ten (and all the other conference head honcho's) are trying to sell this as an academic opportunity:Do you believe this bologna?Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith, who said Big Ten expansion was about increasing the conference's research power "to do some things for our country and our world that need to be focused on. Imagine the schools with cancer centers that could collaborate even better to find a cure for cancer."
I'm not gonna take any pot shots at my friend Machado but all jokes aside, I think the temerity of these a**holes trying to sell this as being about academics is insidious. "It's about the students." BULLSHIT. Let's say Texas joins the Pac 10. How good is that gonna be for the tennis team when they have to miss class to travel to Oregon (for instance)? This stuff is insane.thejuggernaut wrote:Tymaster wrote:What's really sad is that the Big Ten (and all the other conference head honcho's) are trying to sell this as an academic opportunity:Do you believe this bologna?Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith, who said Big Ten expansion was about increasing the conference's research power "to do some things for our country and our world that need to be focused on. Imagine the schools with cancer centers that could collaborate even better to find a cure for cancer."
Of course not, but they have to give it lip service, lest people like Machado start to realize it's a business like any other business.
Tymaster wrote:I'm not gonna take any pot shots at my friend Machado but all jokes aside, I think the temerity of these a**holes trying to sell this as being about academics is insidious. "It's about the students." BULLSHIT. Let's say Texas joins the Pac 10. How good is that gonna be for the tennis team when they have to miss class to travel to Oregon (for instance)? This stuff is insane.thejuggernaut wrote:
Of course not, but they have to give it lip service, lest people like Machado start to realize it's a business like any other business.
ALL schools will NOT benefit. The ones that join, yes. The schools that are jettisoned by all of this are screwed, which hurts the vast majority of American colleges and universities. These colleges that are going to form "4 super conferences" are in reality only a small number of colleges. But they are all 800 pound gorillas. Students and athletes at 1,000's of other universities stand to lose a great deal in this. All because of football tv money. F**k that!thejuggernaut wrote:Tymaster wrote:I'm not gonna take any pot shots at my friend Machado but all jokes aside, I think the temerity of these a**holes trying to sell this as being about academics is insidious. "It's about the students." BULLSHIT. Let's say Texas joins the Pac 10. How good is that gonna be for the tennis team when they have to miss class to travel to Oregon (for instance)? This stuff is insane.thejuggernaut wrote:
Of course not, but they have to give it lip service, lest people like Machado start to realize it's a business like any other business.
Machado is good peeps, I just suspect he's a young fellow and perhaps a bit naive, so I'll give him a jab once in a while.
Also, I understand your message, but in the interest of cherry picking your argument, Texas has the most lucrative athletic department in the land, so getting their peeps to Oregon quickly via direct flights won't be an issue.
Again, that's just me cherry picking your post for the sake of being an ass.
All that being said, Pac 10 mega expansion, for the sake of tv deal renegotiation, means all schools will benefit, and planes will be used instead of buses when needed, so it should not be a problem.
I was talking about the Pac 10 expansion schools.Tymaster wrote:ALL schools will NOT benefit. The ones that join, yes. The schools that are jettisoned by all of this are screwed, which hurts the vast majority of American colleges and universities. These colleges that are going to form "4 super conferences" are in reality only a small number of colleges. But they are all 800 pound gorillas. Students and athletes at 1,000's of other universities stand to lose a great deal in this. All because of football tv money. F**k that!thejuggernaut wrote:Tymaster wrote: I'm not gonna take any pot shots at my friend Machado but all jokes aside, I think the temerity of these a**holes trying to sell this as being about academics is insidious. "It's about the students." BULLSHIT. Let's say Texas joins the Pac 10. How good is that gonna be for the tennis team when they have to miss class to travel to Oregon (for instance)? This stuff is insane.
Machado is good peeps, I just suspect he's a young fellow and perhaps a bit naive, so I'll give him a jab once in a while.
Also, I understand your message, but in the interest of cherry picking your argument, Texas has the most lucrative athletic department in the land, so getting their peeps to Oregon quickly via direct flights won't be an issue.
Again, that's just me cherry picking your post for the sake of being an ass.
All that being said, Pac 10 mega expansion, for the sake of tv deal renegotiation, means all schools will benefit, and planes will be used instead of buses when needed, so it should not be a problem.