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So, who here other than myself possibly, believes Alabama should get a 2nd shot at LSU in the BCS National Championship game?

I honestly think the 2 best teams are hands down LSU and Bama...both have had steller seasons so far, with Bamas only loss coming in OT to LSU. So, here are my reasons for the Crimson Tide to get a 2nd shot in the BCS championship:

1) They are legitimately ranked #2 in the BCS, and realistically only OK State has a real shot of knocking them, but OK State was beaten by an unranked, lack-luster Iowa State.

2) Virginia Tech is next inline after OK State, depending on how far Arkansas drops (I expect no higher than 8th in the BCS)..and no way has VT had nearly as tough of a regular season...not enough larger OOC(Out Of Conference) games nor ranked opponents nor nearly the game stats of an Alabama or LSU or even OK State.

3) Standford could sneak in because of the numbers Andrew Luck has put up, but it is very unlikely...they are almost as bad as far as playing OOC and ranked teams as Houston, but not quite. They did knock off USC later in the season, but still had some clunkers in there as well...including a loss to Oregon later.

4) NO other team that has played LSU has given them as hard of a time as Alabama...negating any offensive TD`s by LSU, as well as Alabama actually giving the game away by having a shitty kicking game. This was by far the purest "defensive" game played this season...and it could be even better as a rematch.

5) Alabama has outplayed every opponent this year, to include the #1 ranked LSU Tigers statistically speaking...there is no other defense ranked higher than them...run, pass defense is #1...which means they are most likely the ONLY team in the nation who has a single hope of taking on LSU and beating them.

6) LSU even wants a rematch because they feel Alabama is the only opponent that can battle with them on all phases of the game...even Les Miles wants to play again, and that should mean something..


Ok...flame away or post your own observations...

Wow..I expected if nothing else a few "go fuck yourself`s"...

No college football fans on Sludge?

Don't get me started. The entire system is flawed and the teams/records this year are once again exposing the BCS.
#1. The pre-season polls need to be abandoned. There should be no top 25 poll until 1 month of the season has passed.
There are teams who get rewarded for their pre-season ranking and other teams show how they are not worthy of being a pre-season top 10 team, or top 5 team.

As for the possible "re-match" between Bama and LSU, what a joke.
Those two teams already played. There is no need for another
match.
What if Bama wins the BCS title game.
Are they somehow better because they happen to win the game that meant the most?
I thought "the game of the century" was the 1st game in Bama???

Why does 1 game have much more value over another game, if the opponents are the same?

The entire process is stupid and you know what, the school could care less, as long as the checks continue to clear.

BodyBagz wrote:So, who here other than myself possibly, believes Alabama should get a 2nd shot at LSU in the BCS National Championship game?

I honestly think the 2 best teams are hands down LSU and Bama...both have had steller seasons so far, with Bamas only loss coming in OT to LSU. So, here are my reasons for the Crimson Tide to get a 2nd shot in the BCS championship:

1) They are legitimately ranked #2 in the BCS, and realistically only OK State has a real shot of knocking them, but OK State was beaten by an unranked, lack-luster Iowa State.

2) Virginia Tech is next inline after OK State, depending on how far Arkansas drops (I expect no higher than 8th in the BCS)..and no way has VT had nearly as tough of a regular season...not enough larger OOC(Out Of Conference) games nor ranked opponents nor nearly the game stats of an Alabama or LSU or even OK State.

3) Standford could sneak in because of the numbers Andrew Luck has put up, but it is very unlikely...they are almost as bad as far as playing OOC and ranked teams as Houston, but not quite. They did knock off USC later in the season, but still had some clunkers in there as well...including a loss to Oregon later.

4) NO other team that has played LSU has given them as hard of a time as Alabama...negating any offensive TD`s by LSU, as well as Alabama actually giving the game away by having a shitty kicking game. This was by far the purest "defensive" game played this season...and it could be even better as a rematch.

5) Alabama has outplayed every opponent this year, to include the #1 ranked LSU Tigers statistically speaking...there is no other defense ranked higher than them...run, pass defense is #1...which means they are most likely the ONLY team in the nation who has a single hope of taking on LSU and beating them.

6) LSU even wants a rematch because they feel Alabama is the only opponent that can battle with them on all phases of the game...even Les Miles wants to play again, and that should mean something..


Ok...flame away or post your own observations...

Ah, the overrated SEC strikes again.

who gives a fuck, i dont

best game will have Houston taking down a big school

It will involve the two teams that produce the most revenue for the NCAA and won't be about "records". Don't you know how this bullshit system works already?

LAglamrocker wrote:who gives a fuck, i dont

best game will have Houston taking down a big school

I'm rooting for Houston as much as anybody, but unless by "big school" you mean one with a large student body and a 3 loss record, you're nuts. Houston has a really good offense, but an LSU or Alabama would squash them like a bug.

yea good thing TCU didnt beat Badgers in the Rose Bowl or Boise State beat the "so called" powerhouse Sooners

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Hey, Im a Bama fan no doubt...what I ask is simple...who else but Alabama stands a half-assed chance in hell of containing and beating LSU?

We know Houston is 12-0, but they are no match for a decent SEC or PAC 12 team...Conference USA is a joke, hence them having Houston to hang their hats on. OK State, depending on which team shows up, has an outside shot, but again, they got beat by an unranked team, and actually a sub-par team at that, late in the season...they might be able to get the human vote if they hang 21+ on Oklahoma, but we all know that isnt guaranteed.

The BCS is flawed, but its all we have, and as of right now, the 2 best teams are Alabama and LSU...

Didn't an 'overmatched' Utah team give Bama a mudhole stomping a few years ago? It was 31-17 and it wasn't even that close.

You never know until you play the games . . .

BodyBagz wrote:Hey, Im a Bama fan no doubt...what I ask is simple...who else but Alabama stands a half-assed chance in hell of containing and beating LSU?

We know Houston is 12-0, but they are no match for a decent SEC or PAC 12 team...Conference USA is a joke, hence them having Houston to hang their hats on. OK State, depending on which team shows up, has an outside shot, but again, they got beat by an unranked team, and actually a sub-par team at that, late in the season...they might be able to get the human vote if they hang 21+ on Oklahoma, but we all know that isnt guaranteed.

The BCS is flawed, but its all we have, and as of right now, the 2 best teams are Alabama and LSU...

I'm not in favor of ANY team that can't even play in their own conference championship game being in the BCS title game.

The LSU-Bama game was a borefest. Bama was absolutely inept against LSU, offensively.

HORRIBLE FG kicking and terrible passing game.

If they play again, LSU wins by 4 TD's.

I love all these "They would squash..."

How the fuck do you know? No one knows because the NCAA doesn't let it happen.

Alabama the great?

schools like this are scared to play anyone, they just care about being 11-1, EVERY year or 12-0

this year
home against KENT STATE, NORTH TEXAS, GEORGIA SOUTHERN does a "powerhouse" play these teams at home to prove a point? A powerhouse should prove it EVERY week and not play scrubs!

cantstopthemusic wrote: I'm not in favor of ANY team that can't even play in their own conference championship game being in the BCS title game.
The LSU-Bama game was a borefest. Bama was absolutely inept against LSU, offensively.
HORRIBLE FG kicking and terrible passing game.

If they play again, LSU wins by 4 TD's.

Well, unfortunately, not all conferences are as stacked as the SEC, and specifically the SEC West...it is what it is.

To say Alabama "was inept" would also have to imply the same for LSU, seeing as neither team scored an offensive touchdown..so where was LSU`s passing and rushing game? The fact is, had Alabama`s kickers been on point, the score would have been 15-9...Bama`s defense is 2nd to none, and that was proven by stopping LSU on the ground and in the air...even with the ability of having 2 quarterbacks to utilize.
If they play again, no way in hell will LSU "win" by 4 TD`s...if they are lucky they might score 4 TD`s in the game and still come out with a loss...or, a win by 3-7 points...and thats why I want to see them in a rematch. Lets see where these 2 "defensive juggernauts" are at now in their offenses as well as their defenses....

LAglamrocker wrote:Alabama the great?

schools like this are scared to play anyone, they just care about being 11-1, EVERY year or 12-0

this year
home against KENT STATE, NORTH TEXAS, GEORGIA SOUTHERN does a "powerhouse" play these teams at home to prove a point? A powerhouse should prove it EVERY week and not play scrubs!

Ok, so post a "harder" day in and day out schedule from any Div 1 school. I`ll be happy to wait for the results. Fact is, every school schedules "easy" games throughout the year. What sucks is those schools who never schedule any "tough" games or Out of Conference games..such as Houston this year..http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootbal ... dule/86144..the only team of merit is UCLA and they were blown out by USC 50-0...
Maybe Ok State..http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootbal ... dule/86130..notables were Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M and Oklahoma...and they get beat by Iowas State? They are the only team who has any right to leap-frog Alabama...and are the only team I really wouldnt bitch too much if they did...

you dont seem to get it. The top schools always play loser teams to pad the record. Why play these teams at all, why not play games outside the conference that would be a challenge?

NCAA Football is just a scam to get the same teams win every year, thats fine, just the way it is. Why would they want to change, its all about cash in the end

teams like Houston may go 12-0, ONCE in awhile..chances are those type of teams beat the "big dog" when played..TCU,Boise State, Utah and so on

Machado wrote:
Are they somehow better because they happen to win the game that meant the most?

Why does 1 game have much more value over another game, if the opponents are the same?

Because one game is a title game?
Why not ask why the World Series matters more than an inter-league series in July?

Or in seasons where the clear #1 and #2 happen to have played each other, a lower-ranked side should get a shot?

demolition23 wrote:

Machado wrote:
Are they somehow better because they happen to win the game that meant the most?

Why does 1 game have much more value over another game, if the opponents are the same?

Because one game is a title game?
Why not ask why the World Series matters more than an inter-league series in July?

Or in seasons where the clear #1 and #2 happen to have played each other, a lower-ranked side should get a shot?

WS/MLB playoffs is a legit tournament of mostly the best teams. NCAA Bowl games are nonsense and don't have the best teams play each other.

Tommy wrote:I love all these "They would squash..."

How the fuck do you know? No one knows because the NCAA doesn't let it happen.

Of course we don't know. It's all conjecture and opinion, but come on, let's be realistic. I'm a Houston fan. One of my kids is a student there, and I live in the city, but, I'm pretty comfortable saying that they can't hang with an LSU. I'm NOT saying they can't hang with a mid level SEC or Big 12 team. I'd love to see them go up against A&M, UT, or even Arkansas, but their D isn't good enough to hang with the big boys IMO.

bane wrote:

Tommy wrote:I love all these "They would squash..."

How the fuck do you know? No one knows because the NCAA doesn't let it happen.

Of course we don't know. It's all conjecture and opinion, but come on, let's be realistic. I'm a Houston fan. One of my kids is a student there, and I live in the city, but, I'm pretty comfortable saying that they can't hang with an LSU. I'm NOT saying they can't hang with a mid level SEC or Big 12 team. I'd love to see them go up against A&M, UT, or even Arkansas, but their D isn't good enough to hang with the big boys IMO.

Pats 18-0
Giants 10-6

No one gave the Giants a chance, no one. I know... pros vs amateurs, but still. PLAY THE GAMES. Let's see what happens.

Tommy wrote:

bane wrote:

Tommy wrote:I love all these "They would squash..."

How the fuck do you know? No one knows because the NCAA doesn't let it happen.

Of course we don't know. It's all conjecture and opinion, but come on, let's be realistic. I'm a Houston fan. One of my kids is a student there, and I live in the city, but, I'm pretty comfortable saying that they can't hang with an LSU. I'm NOT saying they can't hang with a mid level SEC or Big 12 team. I'd love to see them go up against A&M, UT, or even Arkansas, but their D isn't good enough to hang with the big boys IMO.

Pats 18-0
Giants 10-6

No one gave the Giants a chance, no one. I know... pros vs amateurs, but still. PLAY THE GAMES. Let's see what happens.

No argument there, I'm as much in favor of a playoff as anybody, but it is what it is. They aren't changing to a playoff system any time soon. That said, there is something to be said for season record and level of competition determining the competitors for the championship. I think you'd agree that the Pats probably win that game 7 or 8 out of 10 times. The Giants were just better that particular day. In the NFL, that's all it takes, but when determing who is actually best?

BodyBagz wrote:Wow..I expected if nothing else a few "go fuck yourself`s"...

No college football fans on Sludge?

Please refer to the recent scandals & the sham signing of a coach that's retired twice in the last 2 years for health reasons suddenly surfacing again to become the highest paid state employee in Ohio to see what's wrong with 'student' athletics.

bane wrote:
No argument there, I'm as much in favor of a playoff as anybody, but it is what it is. They aren't changing to a playoff system any time soon. That said, there is something to be said for season record and level of competition determining the competitors for the championship. I think you'd agree that the Pats probably win that game 7 or 8 out of 10 times. The Giants were just better that particular day. In the NFL, that's all it takes, but when determing who is actually best?

It's the "level of competition" thing I have a problem with.

The SEC is "better" only because ESPN and the polls say so, not because of actual games being played.

demolition23 wrote:

Machado wrote:
Are they somehow better because they happen to win the game that meant the most?

Why does 1 game have much more value over another game, if the opponents are the same?

Because one game is a title game?
Why not ask why the World Series matters more than an inter-league series in July?

Or in seasons where the clear #1 and #2 happen to have played each other, a lower-ranked side should get a shot?

Are you really going there right now?
The BCS system has been flawed for years.
For the legit #1 and #2 team to play in the BCS, the number of things that would have to go right are in the millions.
Therefore, the system will always be flawed and each year there will be a controversy regarding the two teams playing in the BCS title game.

Tommy wrote:

bane wrote:
No argument there, I'm as much in favor of a playoff as anybody, but it is what it is. They aren't changing to a playoff system any time soon. That said, there is something to be said for season record and level of competition determining the competitors for the championship. I think you'd agree that the Pats probably win that game 7 or 8 out of 10 times. The Giants were just better that particular day. In the NFL, that's all it takes, but when determing who is actually best?

It's the "level of competition" thing I have a problem with.

The SEC is "better" only because ESPN and the polls say so, not because of actual games being played.

Well, this year the only team on the outside looking in record wise is Houston. Everybody else except LSU has at least one loss. Do you really want to see UH play LSU for the whole enchilada? Personally, I'm hoping Ok State jumps Alabama and gets the shot. I think Stanford could give LSU a game too. I have no desire to watch another SEC "game of the century" field goal fest.

bane wrote:

Tommy wrote:

bane wrote:
No argument there, I'm as much in favor of a playoff as anybody, but it is what it is. They aren't changing to a playoff system any time soon. That said, there is something to be said for season record and level of competition determining the competitors for the championship. I think you'd agree that the Pats probably win that game 7 or 8 out of 10 times. The Giants were just better that particular day. In the NFL, that's all it takes, but when determing who is actually best?

It's the "level of competition" thing I have a problem with.

The SEC is "better" only because ESPN and the polls say so, not because of actual games being played.

Well, this year the only team on the outside looking in record wise is Houston. Everybody else except LSU has at least one loss. Do you really want to see UH play LSU for the whole enchilada? Personally, I'm hoping Ok State jumps Alabama and gets the shot. I think Stanford could give LSU a game too. I have no desire to watch another SEC "game of the century" field goal fest.

Stanford or Oregon I suppose. In reality I want a 16-team tourny, but that's not happening.

Tommy wrote:
It's the "level of competition" thing I have a problem with.

The SEC is "better" only because ESPN and the polls say so, not because of actual games being played.

Well, its hard to argue the point that the SEC isnt the toughest when you look at the past BCS title game Winner column..and loser column as well.

Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance Championship Results

1992 January 1, 1993 2 Alabama 34 1 Miami 13
1993 January 1, 1994 1 Florida St. 18 2 Nebraska
1994 January 1, 1995 1 Nebraska 24 3 Miami 17
1995 January 2, 1996 1 Nebraska 62 2 Florida 24
1996 January 2, 1997 3 Florida 52 1 Florida St. 20
1997 January 2, 1998 2 Nebraska 42 3 Tennessee

BCS National Championship Results

1998 January 4, 1999 1 Tennessee 23 2 Florida St.
1999 January 4, 2000 1 Florida St. 46 2 Virginia Tech
2000 January 3, 2001 1 Oklahoma 13 3 Florida St.
2001 January 3, 2002 1 Miami 37 4 Nebraska 14
2002 January 3, 2003 2 Ohio State 31 1 Miami 24
2003 January 4, 2004 2 LSU 21 3 Oklahoma 14
2004 January 4, 2005 1 USC 55 2 Oklahoma 19 l
2005 January 4, 2006 2 Texas 41 1 USC 38
2006 January 8, 2007 2 Florida 41 1 Ohio State 14
2007 January 7, 2008 2 LSU 38 1 Ohio State 24
2008 January 8, 2009 1 Florida 24 2 Oklahoma 14
2009 January 7, 2010 1 Alabama 37 2 Texas 21
2010 January 10, 2011 1 Auburn 22 2 Oregon 19 BCS

The SEC has year in and year out fielded teams that were legitimate BCS contenders, as have the Big 10 and Big East...but only the SEC has came back and dominated the last 10 years or so. You cant lay that at the feet of ESPN...that comes from putting points on the board and keeping the other teams from doing the same.

No but I can lay it at the feet of 5 or 6 teams in the top 15 when I'm not so sure if it's accurate since they only play each other and scrubs.


It's like the "AL East is the best". OK, 3 legit teams. Then the always fail Blue Jays and the notorious Orioles. Playing an actual tournament has AL East team not making it through the ALCS in 2 years. And I'm a Yankee fan.

I'm really just bitching that there's no tournament. And the "well, it's flawed but..." doesn't really hold water. It's a complete bullshit system with no rhyme or reason.