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I was wondering if this should go in the Locker Room since there's debate as to whether or not auto racing is actually a sport. :lol: I guess I shouldn't be that surprised by these shenanigans since what other sport would allow a team owner (Michael Waltrip) to broadcast at events that they have people involved in?

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CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- With one suspicious snap of the steering wheel, Clint Bowyer changed the outcome of a race and maybe the championship, too.

Accidental or intentional, his spin in the closing laps at Richmond International Raceway set in motion a chain of events that has shrouded the start of the Chase for the Sprint Cup championship and raised many questions about the potential for a race team to manipulate pivotal moments of a race.

Now NASCAR is reviewing evidence to determine if Michael Waltrip Racing deliberately altered Saturday night's race, potentially costing both Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon spots in the Chase, to benefit MWR driver Martin Truex Jr.

NASCAR President Mike Helton told The Associated Press before Sunday's Truck Series race at Iowa that officials in the scoring tower did not immediately see anything to believe Bowyer's spin with seven laps remaining at Richmond was suspicious. The spin came while Newman was leading and brought out the caution that set in motion a chain of events that cost Newman both the race and a berth in the 12-driver Chase field. He was battling Truex for the final spot.

''We didn't see anything that indicated that anything like that was taking place. And it's natural when everything was as close as it was between who was going to get in and not go in to scratch your heads and try to figure out and wonder why,'' Helton said. ''But we didn't see anything initially (Saturday) night that indicated that, but certainly we'll go back through all the video and everything to be sure, because we take the responsibility very serious to be sure that it's - that everybody has had a fair chance.''

But an ESPN replay that included communication between Bowyer and his team implied the spin was deliberate. Bowyer was shown the video after the race and denied he spun intentionally, a claim he repeated throughout the post-race activities.

''We had a flat tire or something. It just snapped around,'' Bowyer said, later adding, ''I know it's a lot of fun for you guys to write a lot of wacky things. Go ahead if you want to, get creative. But don't look too much into it.''

In-car audio framed the situation as his crew goading him into spinning his car to bring out the yellow in an effort to prevent Newman from winning the race.

''Thirty-nine is going to win the race,'' Bowyer was told over his radio.

''Is your arm starting to hurt?'' crew chief Brian Pattie asked. After a pause, Pattie said, ''I bet it's hot in there. Itch it.''

Bowyer's car then spun.

NASCAR did not have access to that footage until well after the race, and it is presumably among the materials Helton was reviewing Sunday.

Also, it became apparent early Sunday morning that Bowyer and teammate Brian Vickers further aided Truex by taking a dive over the final three laps.

When the race resumed with three laps to go, four-time series champion Jeff Gordon was poised to claim the 10th spot in the Chase, and Joey Logano was ahead of Truex in position to claim the second wild-card.

But Bowyer and Vickers both made pit stops in the final three laps that allowed Logano to improve his finishing position and move ahead of Gordon to claim the 10th Chase berth. That bumped Gordon from contention and freed the wild card for Truex. Gordon was not eligible for the wild card.

The AP reviewed team communications for both Bowyer and Vickers on Sunday, and Vickers was told by MWR general manager Ty Norris to pit because ''we need that 1 point.''

''We're probably going to pit here on green,'' Norris says.

''Are you talking to me?'' a surprised Vickers asks.

Vickers continued to question the call, at one point asking, ''I don't understand, pit right now?''

''You've got to pit this time. We need that 1 point,'' Norris replies.

''10-4. Do I got a tire going down?'' Vickers asked.

Vickers then pitted as the field went green. When he asked after if his crew found anything with the tire, Norris replied, ''I'll see you after the race, Brian, I owe you a kiss.''

Bowyer's radio communication was not as verbose, but he had already pitted twice after his spin, once to change the tire and once for Pattie to double-check for any damage. The team then called him down pit road a third time with no explanation just as the field went green.

It's not uncommon in NASCAR for teammates to help each other with track position, so on its face, the calls for the two MWR drivers to pit aren't that egregious. But added with Bowyer's spin, fans were crying foul over MWR's actions, especially since it cost both Gordon and Newman spots in the 10-race Chase that begins Sunday at Chicago.

Waltrip, calling the Truck race Sunday at Iowa for Fox Sports 1, declined to comment to AP.

Gordon posted on Twitter that he felt bad for both himself and Newman.

''Was feeling pretty bad about missing the (hash)Chase but after seeing all the details coming out now I feel even worse for (at)RyanNewman39,'' he tweeted on Sunday.

Newman downplayed the significance of Bowyer's spin on Saturday night because he said he still had a chance to win the race if his pit crew had delivered after the caution.

''They are teammates. I don't know if (Bowyer) looked at the scoring pylon, knew I was leading, it doesn't matter,'' Newman said. ''If that was the case, I'll find out one way or the other. At the same time, we still had the opportunity to make our own destiny and win it on pit road, and we didn't.''
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NASCAR will do nothing. Pretty obvious what happened. They are so lame when it comes to penalties.
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Blumpkin King wrote:NASCAR will do nothing. Pretty obvious what happened. They are so lame when it comes to penalties.
It comes across as so bumbling of the MWR teams. You think they'd know their communications were being recorded.
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I think they're gonna knock 'em some serious points to start out the Chase with. Other than that, they won't reverse any contenders. Holy shit, I was seeing red after that. :lol:

I feel so bad for Gordon and Newman.... but it will make for great drama this year once they knock Bowyer, Vickers, and Truex out of the races. I'm hoping it happens, I'm sure it will. Gordon has nothing to lose, I'm sure his sponsors will understand. Clint took out the 24 and 48 when they were running in first..... Gordon "kinda" got him back.... but I think it's just going to get worse. Michael Waltrip is the biggest asshole in racing. Shitty driver, shitty broadcaster, leaving his wife of 30 years for a 23 year old. Heard he was a dick at a hotel not too long ago with a "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!?" attitude with the poor woman at the front desk. Easy, old man with the gay voice.
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Ryan's press conference on moving to RCR is on right now:


Newman: Saturday night was "the toughest thing that's ever happened to me in my 30 years of racing."
Newman asks reporters to look up how many times Clint Bowyer has spun out all by himself this year.

Newman says of MWR: "the potential is not good for us to be cordial to each other." Newman: "I was extremely disappointed to see and hear some of the things that went down." Says it was "relatively obvious" what happened.

39on15 cont: "Based on my opinion inside racecar & watching/listening/understanding comm that was there, it was not entirely an accident"

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 7595166268

Ryan Newman sounds off on Clint Bowyer RIR spin. Says from his perspective it was rather obviously purposeful ->

"Right now it's tough to comment on it. It's being reviewed. My ultimate answer is it's pretty obvious the decisions that were made and the communication that led up to that. I don't know how anybody is going to react. I'm interested to see what comes of it. Based on my opinion inside a race car, and watching and listening and understanding the communication there was there, it was not entirely an accident. Maybe somebody could look up for me how many times Clint Bowyer has spun out all by himself. What happened to me Saturday night was the toughest thing that's ever happened to me in my 30 years of driving. It hut that much."
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Awesome...two huge articles. Nascar is getting shit on. So much for building their sport. Better get rid of MWR or teach them a lesson. Helton doesn't like being mocked or scrutinized.

http://deadspin.com/nascar-driver-inten ... socialflow

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1766 ... &hpt=hp_t2

NASCAR issued a brief statement yesterday saying it will review the race, but there doesn't seem to be a violation here—or at least, not one that can be proven. We saw this situation last year, when Denny Hamlin pitted to give teammate Kyle Busch, in contention for the Chase, a better position. We saw it the year before when Paul Menard spun out to give teammate Kevin Harvick a chance to make up ground. (It was Jeff Gordon getting screwed then, too.)

This was MWR masterfully working within the team model ("Our business model doesn’t work without us making the Chase," Waltrip said in July.) to game the Chase formula. If you want to say the system is broken, fine. But don't pretend goosing the rules isn't the greatest stock car tradition of all.

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On Race Hub, Dave Despain calls for a 450-point penalty to ensure Bowyer a last-place finish in Chase if spin found to be intentional.

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NICE! Not what I hoped..... but I'll take it!


"@JennaFryer: BREAKING: Newman in, Truex out among MWR penalties. 300k MWR fine. All 3 drivers docked 50 points. Ty Norris suspended indefinitely."

This does not cause problem for Clint tho! His points will be untouched in the Chase. If you're not following all these guys on Twitter. Get on there. Jeff is pissed, even his wife is snapping.
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RPB wrote:NICE! Not what I hoped..... but I'll take it!


"@JennaFryer: BREAKING: Newman in, Truex out among MWR penalties. 300k MWR fine. All 3 drivers docked 50 points. Ty Norris suspended indefinitely."

This does not cause problem for Clint tho! His points will be untouched in the Chase. If you're not following all these guys on Twitter. Get on there. Jeff is pissed, even his wife is snapping.
Talk to me like I hardly watch NASCAR, is any of this going to change anything? Jeff or that other driver going to jump in?


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Last I followed NASCAR was when Bill Elliott won the winston but a friend has slowly dragged me back into it this year. Enough to say I watched about 3 races and some highlights.
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Martin Truex booted from Chase

Ryan Newman replaced Martin Truex Jr. in the Chase for the Sprint Cup championship on Monday night when NASCAR penalized Michael Waltrip Racing for manipulating the outcome of last weekend's race at Richmond.

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I'm all caught up.......Sounds like some good cheating they had going's on. Just hearing the fans and stuff I can imagine the NASCAR world blowing up in all directions.

If it was all Norris's plan that's some crafty shit. :lol:
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I stand corrected. Finally NASCAR did something.

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I feel bad because I don't think Truex knew anything. Clint did and he's still in it, nothing happened to him. Jeff is all over Twitter pissed off. That whole "ripple effect" is fucked and he's ticked. Can't say I blame him. To say they didn't find anything wrong with Clint but they did with Vickers? Christ. That's bullshit. "Go ahead and itch it." Bastards. I have hot passes Sunday so I'll be watching the beginning of the race from the pits. I hope Jeff and Clint go at it. I'm so excited. :lol:
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God, I hate him. There's a couple of other good links in that story, too. Like Clint calling and apologizing to Newman, but saying he didn't do it on purpose. I love Ricky Craven.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/na ... d/2793121/

Clint Bowyer stumbled through an uncomfortable interview during a Tuesday afternoon edition of ESPN's SportsCenter, his first public comments since Michael Waltrip Racing was given the largest penalty in NASCAR history.

Bowyer, who largely was unaffected by the penalty despite a suspicious spin that triggered a controversial sequence of events, apologized several times during the interview.

But when pressed on why he was apologizing, Bowyer danced around the question.

"No, let's not dig too much into this," Bowyer said when asked if his apology referred to the spin. "I've dealt with a lot of opinions and a lot of things that happened. I gave my interview after the race as to what happened. We've been penalized with the biggest penalty in NASCAR history and we're going to get through this as a race team."

Bowyer acknowledged calling to apologize to Ryan Newman ("I felt horrible," he said) and also apologized to any fans "who don't agree and are upset."


But pushed to explain his comments further, Bowyer refused to explain himself.

"It's a bad deal all the way around for MWR," he said. "Again, we've been penalized for this, we stand by our actions, we own up to them and we're going to get through this together and go on."

ESPN NASCAR analyst Ricky Craven, a former driver, challenged Bowyer when the driver began talking about how much pressure there is on teams during the upcoming 10-race Chase for the Sprint Cup, which kicks off Sunday at Chicagoland Speedway.

Craven, appearing emotional, said he didn't think Bowyer understood real pressure.

"You want to talk about pressure? You look at the economy and the people that spend their hard-earned money to fly to Richmond, to buy a ticket, to participate in the weekend and they might have felt like they got robbed," Craven said. "I'm only bringing up that point to suggest this is much bigger than any one of us.

"What happened Saturday night put into play the integrity of the sport. It bothered me a little bit when you said, 'Let me tell you something, the pressure that's involved in the sport, you might not understand.' '"

Answered Bowyer: "There's tons of pressure on the sport, there's tons of pressure on the drivers. I would think if anybody would know, it would be you. I apologize that you don't understand the pressure. It heats up in a big way in the Chase."

Bowyer said he'd enter the garage at Chicagoland this weekend like normal and approach it as he does every weekend, though he admitted the events of the past few days would make it "harder."

"I don't want this story to be the story of the Chase," he said.

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Here's a look at the in-car audio from Bowyer and Vickers, which prompted the call for Monday's historic revision of results:

Clint Bowyer audio

With nine laps to go

Spotter Brett Griffin: "(No.) 39 (Ryan Newman) is going to win the race. … Well, that kinda sucks. Nine more (laps) right here."

Crew chief Brian Pattie: "Is your arm starting to hurt? I bet it's hot in there. Itch it."

Clint Bowyer: "Oh yeah."

Griffin: "Right with you, 88 (Dale Earnhardt Jr.). Right with you, right with you, right with you."

(Bowyer spins out)

Pattie: "I think that tire was going down the whole time, man."

Brian Vickers audio

(With four laps to go)

Crew: "We're probably going to pit here on green."

Vickers: "Are you talking to me?

Crew: "Yeah, we're going to pit."

Vickers: "What? I've got to pit? … I don't understand. Pit right now?"

Crew: "You've got to pit this time. We need that one point."

Vickers: "10-4. Do I got a tire going down?"

Crew: "Yeah. … Come down pit road right now, get a good look at it."

Vickers: "Did you find anything?"

Crew: "I'll see you after the race, Brian. I owe you a kiss."
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I love the headline on MSN, "will this put a stop to cheating in NASCAR?"
Yeah I'm sure it will I mean Knaus has only been busted like 17 times over the years with the 48 and every single time he gets the same slap on the wrist, these fuckers won't learn until NASCAR grows some balls and actually parks the fuckers for a few races, would've been interesting to see what would've happened had HMS did what MWR did.
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I'm fine with the "Grey areas".... so many of the cars are so identical now that they need to find ways to beat the other guys. I don't see a roof flap being 1/16th of an inch off as cheating. I don't see using additives as cheating. A bar being .08 ounces heavier isn't cheating. Let them earn that big money and actually work for it finding an advantage. But blatantly spinning out or pitting to get a teammate points is bullshit. Chad Knaus is the best crew chief next to Ray Evernham. The entire Knaus family are racing geniuses. They don't have to cheat .... they just know how to work the advantages.
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"@JimmieJohnson: My tire blowing put @JeffGordonWeb down a lap. Thankfully he was in position to get the lucky dog. Sorry @ClintBowyer & MWR, can't #BlameJJ."

"@JeffGordonWeb: Thanks to everyone for the overwhelming support this week. U have been heard loud and clear. Now it's time to shift focus to next ten races."
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NASCAR struck pretty quick....Didn't the spin happen in the last few laps?

Since it's all out if I was NASCAR I'd say the race ended at the spin "putting Newman and Gordon in" then pass out fines and penalties.
There's no real fair way to do this and taking away a win would be unheard of but that's my two cents on a sport I haven't followed much in 20 years.

Change the winner back to the spin, if they are dead set on stopping cheating. Destroy Noris "the kingpin" and painfully penalize Clint "the accessory" and I don't care about nascar being built on moonshiners. Prohibition is over.

I'd rather see them go back to the old format.
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I hate this Chase BS, too. Plus the changing to the Gen6 cars.... who wants a level playing field? I don't. It's always been about who could afford the best... the way it has always been. You have to be a good driver on top of that money. Also have to have a great pit crew.

Setting the field the way it was at spin would be great. If the winner wasn't leading, let him keep his win. Vickers was taken aback that he had to cheat, he didn't have a choice or he'd most likely have lost his job. The way these assholes are acting like they haven't been caught and are saying the media is spinning it (Heh) is insulting as hell. They're done. Can't believe they'd recover from this. The media guys are PISSED they're trying to blame them.
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Mother fucker. Kick their asses out of the Chase! :x

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RPB wrote:Mother fucker. Kick their asses out of the Chase! :x
Really? A non-championship contending Ford team moved over for another Ford team. This has been going on since Nascar began. Non story.
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RPB wrote:Mother fucker. Kick their asses out of the Chase! :x

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I'll have to wait for the cliff notes, I read a bit but since the story's over lap it makes everything even a bigger mess and hard to digest. I'm starting to love overblown media and the reaction it makes. Well, in this case the "overblown" is somewhat justified.

What a failed chess match it's turned out to be. NASCAR still jumped too quick, looks like there's more damage control and they've already dropped the bomb.
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This all sounds a bit like a keystone cops version of this (which they got away with at the time).
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Another thing about the Gilliland/Logano "controversy." If Gilliland doesn't let Logano by, then Logano ends up tied for 10th with Gordon. Logano wins the tiebreaker, since he won a race and Gordon didn't. Much ado about nothing.
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Logano's doesn't really bother me except for the fact that they still went against the rules to advance, regardless. He should have just done it fairly and ended up with the spot. He got the shit boo'd out of him today at Nascar Contender's Live. For the first time in his life Kurt Busch didn't get boo'd because he walked out after Clint and the entire place erupted with Boo's. First time for both. :lol:
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Front Row and Penske on probation the rest of the year. Mandatory meeting with EVERYONE at 2pm tomorrow to clear the path and the rules of racing.

JEFF GORDON IS ADDED TO THE RACE as 13th!!!!! HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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God, I hope one of the Bowyer/Logano/Gordon trio wins the championship. That would be NASCAR's ultimate nightmare.
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RPB wrote:Logano's doesn't really bother me except for the fact that they still went against the rules to advance, regardless. He should have just done it fairly and ended up with the spot. He got the shit boo'd out of him today at Nascar Contender's Live. For the first time in his life Kurt Busch didn't get boo'd because he walked out after Clint and the entire place erupted with Boo's. First time for both. :lol:
There's no need to add an apostrophe to "booed" or "boos."

Or "contenders" for that matter. Unless the show does in fact belong to the aforementioned contenders.

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Joey Logano reminds me of Screech from Save By The Bell. He should have been kicked as well.

I hate Gordon but it's right that he's in.
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UtahRatt wrote:Joey Logano reminds me of Screech from Save By The Bell. He should have been kicked as well.
MWR did far more to damage to Gordon's Chase hopes than anything Penske did. As I already mentioned, Logano was in the chase whether he passed Gilliland or not.

Is NASCAR going to review radio communications for the previous 25 races, to make sure spotters weren't cutting deals with each other? Nah, I didn't think so. I guess it only matters at Richmond.
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