MLB 2014 Cooperstown HOF Inductees Are...

[KAOS]

Some solid players going in - this was just announced...



Craig Biggio just missed the amount needed to enter the hall.

[Crazy Levi]

Maddux and Glavine going in at the same time is pretty fitting.

It's still retarded that guys like Bonds and Clemens are getting long-dicked by self-righteous baseball writers.

[Rainbow Bright]

In a classic troll move, Dan LeBatard sold his vote to Deadspin. Who then allowed readers to vote. Considering Greg Maddux didn't get a vote from a gasbag who refused to vote for 90's ballplayers,i (and vowed to continue to do so just to piss people off) I view it as a brilliant idea.

[WTF]

It's still retarded that guys like Bonds and Clemens are getting long-dicked by self-righteous baseball writers.

Not as retarded as Pete Rose not even being eligible.

[Machado]

It's still retarded that guys like Bonds and Clemens are getting long-dicked by self-righteous baseball writers.

Not as retarded as Pete Rose not even being eligible.

Pete Rose's omission is the biggest crime.

Eventually Pete will get in long after his death. The commissioner of that era will issue an apology and admit
MLB made a mistake and should have inducted Pete many years earlier.

[Crazy Levi]

It's still retarded that guys like Bonds and Clemens are getting long-dicked by self-righteous baseball writers.

Not as retarded as Pete Rose not even being eligible.

Pete Rose's omission is the biggest crime.

Eventually Pete will get in long after his death. The commissioner of that era will issue an apology and admit
MLB made a mistake and should have inducted Pete many years earlier.

Are you fucking insane?

Rose may or may not get in (I'm betting NEVER) but the commissioner of MLB - now and forever - will NEVER, EVER, EVER apologize to that piece of shit Pete Rose, and rightfully so.

[Machado]

Pete Rose's omission is the biggest crime.

Eventually Pete will get in long after his death. The commissioner of that era will issue an apology and admit
MLB made a mistake and should have inducted Pete many years earlier.

Are you fucking insane?

Rose may or may not get in (I'm betting NEVER) but the commissioner of MLB - now and forever - will NEVER, EVER, EVER apologize to that piece of shit Pete Rose, and rightfully so.

Is your glass every half full? WOW! You are one depressing Sludger.
Sorry to see your glass is always half empty!!!

I would have zero objection for a dedicated wing of the HOF where all the PED users are enshrined.
Give them their own wing and make sure the plaque reads that these players have all been found guilty
of using PED's at some point in their career.

As for Pete Rose(Charlie Hustle), make sure his plaque makes note that he bet on the game as a Manager,
but make note of his on field accomplishments as a player.
Nothing wrong with that.

[WTF]

Are you fucking insane?

Rose may or may not get in (I'm betting NEVER) but the commissioner of MLB - now and forever - will NEVER, EVER, EVER apologize to that piece of shit Pete Rose, and rightfully so.

He'll never get in and he's a piece of shit, but there's quite a list of slime balls already enshrined.

[Rainbow Bright]

Why? Because he bet on the Reds after his playing career? While a different sport, Jordan bet on the Bulls while playing. Why do you think his dad got whacked and had to spend a season with the White Sox?

[Crazy Levi]

What are you blathering about Machado?

Half full? Half empty? Are you off your gorge again?

I don't really understand that. I'm not opposed to Rose getting in there (I think his bat already is) but I won't weep if he never does. He's a complete scumbag with terrible haircuts who brazenly did the ONE THING everything knows you can't do - get involved with gamblers while in the game. That's straight up Shoeless Joe Jackson shit.

He was caught red-handed and still pathetically lied about it for decades and only fessed up when he had a book to sell - and did it on the exact same day several players won induction into the HOF, upstaging and distracting from their accomplishments.

He may or may not get in but it won't be while he's alive and certainly nobody is ever going to apologize to that cocksucker (dead or alive) and that's as it should be.

[killeverything]

Why? Because he bet on the Reds after his playing career? While a different sport, Jordan bet on the Bulls while playing. Why do you think his dad got whacked and had to spend a season with the White Sox?

He was the manager of the Reds when he was betting on them. Gambling is THE cardinal sin in baseball and Rose while as a player was beyond deserving,has no business in the Hall because of his actions.

[Machado]

Why? Because he bet on the Reds after his playing career? While a different sport, Jordan bet on the Bulls while playing. Why do you think his dad got whacked and had to spend a season with the White Sox?

He was the manager of the Reds when he was betting on them. Gambling is THE cardinal sin in baseball and Rose while as a player was beyond deserving,has no business in the Hall because of his actions.

C'mon Kill, exceptions can be made.
There is plenty of room on a plaque to state the positives and the negatives in his career.
Why can't those words be communicated? Everybody would win.
Pete gets elected. His fans can visit his plaque and MLB gets a victory by mentioning that Pete bet on baseball
as a manager.

I'm not going to pretend that the players already in the HOF were model citizens on and off the field.
The amount of covering up the press did between 50-100 years ago would be national news/front page news today.

[Crazy Levi]

If "exceptions can be made" why have the rule in the first place?

"Rule 21 MISCONDUCT, (d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES, Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible."

It's plain as fucking day mr. medio vaso. As has been stated it's the cardinal sin, it's the one rule with the most importance to the integrity of the game.

Why such a soft spot for Rose, vato?

[killeverything]

Why? Because he bet on the Reds after his playing career? While a different sport, Jordan bet on the Bulls while playing. Why do you think his dad got whacked and had to spend a season with the White Sox?

He was the manager of the Reds when he was betting on them. Gambling is THE cardinal sin in baseball and Rose while as a player was beyond deserving,has no business in the Hall because of his actions.

C'mon Kill, exceptions can be made.
There is plenty of room on a plaque to state the positives and the negatives in his career.
Why can't those words be communicated? Everybody would win.
Pete gets elected. His fans can visit his plaque and MLB gets a victory by mentioning that Pete bet on baseball
as a manager.

I'm not going to pretend that the players already in the HOF were model citizens on and off the field.
The amount of covering up the press did between 50-100 years ago would be national news/front page news today.

Dude, after 1919 that is the biggest rule. Like my stance on the PED players an admission would've exonerated him IMO. Unfortunately Charlie Hustle procrastinated ( see what I did there? ) for over a decade on his confession. He doesn't get in.

And as for the comment about Clemens and Bonds being kept out because of writers' morality. The veterans committee also feel they should he out too because they cheated. So basically actual HOF inducted players also think they shouldn't be allowed. I'm inclined to agree.

[Machado]

If "exceptions can be made" why have the rule in the first place?

"Rule 21 MISCONDUCT, (d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES, Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible."

It's plain as fucking day mr. medio vaso. As has been stated it's the cardinal sin, it's the one rule with the most importance to the integrity of the game.

Why such a soft spot for Rose, vato?

Integrity of the game? Get out of here. You did not write about integrity.
Where is Bud Selig's integrity? C'mon, I know you will come up with an answer for him. Go ahead I dare you to defend
his tenure as Commish!!!

Any casual baseball fan has a soft spot for Rose.
Charlie Hustle
The Hit King

DUH!!!

[Crazy Levi]

Thanks for that decent helping of classic Machado nonsense.

But as entertaining as it was you didn't actually address WHY you think there should be an "exception" to the rule in this case - when it's in fact precedent that this is one of the most important rules in the book.

[killeverything]

If "exceptions can be made" why have the rule in the first place?

"Rule 21 MISCONDUCT, (d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES, Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible."

It's plain as fucking day mr. medio vaso. As has been stated it's the cardinal sin, it's the one rule with the most importance to the integrity of the game.

Why such a soft spot for Rose, vato?

Integrity of the game? Get out of here. You did not write about integrity.
Where is Bud Selig's integrity? C'mon, I know you will come up with an answer for him. Go ahead I dare you to defend
his tenure as Commish!!!

Any casual baseball fan has a soft spot for Rose.
Charlie Hustle
The Hit King

DUH!!!

I don't and he's really not too well liked. How about this ask his bullpen how they feel about him. The guys he kept out there or put in specifically to win his bets.

Rose played hard and hit well no one is arguing his greatness as a player. His HOF credentials were erased when he bet on the games.

[Machado]

If "exceptions can be made" why have the rule in the first place?

"Rule 21 MISCONDUCT, (d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES, Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible."

It's plain as fucking day mr. medio vaso. As has been stated it's the cardinal sin, it's the one rule with the most importance to the integrity of the game.

Why such a soft spot for Rose, vato?

Integrity of the game? Get out of here. You did not write about integrity.
Where is Bud Selig's integrity? C'mon, I know you will come up with an answer for him. Go ahead I dare you to defend
his tenure as Commish!!!

Any casual baseball fan has a soft spot for Rose.
Charlie Hustle
The Hit King

DUH!!!

I don't and he's really not too well liked. How about this ask his bullpen how they feel about him. The guys he kept out there or put in specifically to win his bets.

Rose played hard and hit well no one is arguing his greatness as a player. His HOF credentials were erased when he bet on the games.

Let's agree to disagree.
Betting on baseball as a manager is wrong. I get it. Can't defend that one bit.

I still firmly believe his accomplishments as a player should be recognized inside the HOF doors.

[WOLF]

Maddux and Glavine going in at the same time is pretty fitting.

Bobby Cox going in as well, as voted by the veterans' committee. Nice the three can go in together.

[dtmfs]

pete rose would probably be in the HOF right now If he would've just manned up and admitted to the shit instead of waiting a decade plus only to finally tell the truth to profit from a fucking book, fuck him hit king or not.

[killeverything]

Maddux and Glavine going in at the same time is pretty fitting.

Bobby Cox going in as well, as voted by the veterans' committee. Nice the three can go in together.

Maddux and Glavine are the first two teammates to go in together since Mantle and Ford.

[Rainbow Bright]

And as for the comment about Clemens and Bonds being kept out because of writers' morality. The veterans committee also feel they should he out too because they cheated. So basically actual HOF inducted players also think they shouldn't be allowed. I'm inclined to agree.

Don't you think that is hyper critical? Baseball would have been reduced to a worse popularity than the NHL if it wasn't for the PED guys hitting home runs and putting up numbers night in and night out after the strike. Only when it became a nuance is when the League acted on what they already knew.

The other part is you cannot pretend that the era didn't happen. It needs to be showcased. Yes, these guys juiced. But you still went to the games and cheered anyway as they recorded no hitters, home runs, RBI's and hits for the cycle. Baseball would be a shell of itself if it wasn't for those guys to put asses in the seats. Revisionist history, especially in the US, is a problem of mammoth proportions. Don't be a part of the problem.

[Crazy Levi]

And as for the comment about Clemens and Bonds being kept out because of writers' morality. The veterans committee also feel they should he out too because they cheated. So basically actual HOF inducted players also think they shouldn't be allowed. I'm inclined to agree.

Don't you think that is hyper critical? Baseball would have been reduced to a worse popularity than the NHL if it wasn't for the PED guys hitting home runs and putting up numbers night in and night out after the strike. Only when it became a nuance is when the League acted on what they already knew.

The other part is you cannot pretend that the era didn't happen. It needs to be showcased. Yes, these guys juiced. But you still went to the games and cheered anyway as they recorded no hitters, home runs, RBI's and hits for the cycle. Baseball would be a shell of itself if it wasn't for those guys to put asses in the seats. Revisionist history, especially in the US, is a problem of mammoth proportions. Don't be a part of the problem.

Baseball was in pretty rough shape in the years following the work stoppage and these freak show juicers helped bring it back. And EVERYONE - from owners, management, broadcasters, even the majority of the sanctimonious sportswriters who won't shut the fuck up about this stuff - turned a blind eye when it was ridiculously obvious these guys were pumped up on something. It wasn't even against the rules at the time.

It's silly that guys like Clemens and Bonds - among the best to ever play the game - are being kept out by their onetime enablers, but it's outrageous that guys like Piazza are receiving the same treatment just because of mere suspicion without any proof.

[WTF]

It's silly that guys like Clemens and Bonds - among the best to ever play the game - are being kept out by their onetime enablers, but it's outrageous that guys like Piazza are receiving the same treatment just because of mere suspicion without any proof.

How do you feel about Bagwell? Same situation as Piazza. I know Bagwell has always denied using, but I've worked at a gym. Bagwell most certainly used. Yeah, it's not proven.

If Thomas is in, I think both Piazza and Bagwell should be in.

[Crazy Levi]

If Thomas is in, I think both Piazza and Bagwell should be in.

yes.

[Machado]

It's silly that guys like Clemens and Bonds - among the best to ever play the game - are being kept out by their onetime enablers, but it's outrageous that guys like Piazza are receiving the same treatment just because of mere suspicion without any proof.

How do you feel about Bagwell? Same situation as Piazza. I know Bagwell has always denied using, but I've worked at a gym. Bagwell most certainly used. Yeah, it's not proven.

If Thomas is in, I think both Piazza and Bagwell should be in.

I agree.
I also believe guys like Bonds and Clemens should also be in.

MLB is trying to play the high and mighty card.
As if prior to the steroid era the HOF was filled by nothing but model citizens.
BULLSHIT!!!

MLB enabled the players from the steroid era.
MLB wanted to do something, anything, including STEROID use to get the game off the floor
and back into the good graces of the fans.
Sosa and McGwire did that with the HR chase. Both used significantly and now all these years
later MLB has a problem with that?
HYPOCRITES!

[WTF]

Speaking of Sosa. What thee fuck?

[killeverything]

And as for the comment about Clemens and Bonds being kept out because of writers' morality. The veterans committee also feel they should he out too because they cheated. So basically actual HOF inducted players also think they shouldn't be allowed. I'm inclined to agree.

Don't you think that is hyper critical? Baseball would have been reduced to a worse popularity than the NHL if it wasn't for the PED guys hitting home runs and putting up numbers night in and night out after the strike. Only when it became a nuance is when the League acted on what they already knew.

The other part is you cannot pretend that the era didn't happen. It needs to be showcased. Yes, these guys juiced. But you still went to the games and cheered anyway as they recorded no hitters, home runs, RBI's and hits for the cycle. Baseball would be a shell of itself if it wasn't for those guys to put asses in the seats. Revisionist history, especially in the US, is a problem of mammoth proportions. Don't be a part of the problem.

I thought I explained this better earlier, my apologies for the confusion. If they came clean I would have no problem with their enshrinement. And for the record I was against them then too. Mcgwire I hated from the Oakland days because he and Canseco were juicing then. This was common knowledge in the late 80/90s. I rooted for Anaheim against the Giants because of Barry and Kent. I actually quit being an SF fan because of it. Unfortunately the Selig era is a part of baseball and this has nothing to do with revisionist history.

The baseball Hall Of Fame is an independent organization. Their standards apply and is not governed by mlb. The voters are guy's who write about baseball. So aside from the Sosa, Bonds and Mcgwire roid race selling papers they had nothing to do with Selig turning a blind eye to the epidemic ( I do realize likening steroids to an epidemic might be a little melodramatic ).

As for Piazza and Bagwell should be in because of Thomas. I think both Piazza and Bagwell get inducted eventually. They were both long suspected of juicing and will be intentionally kept off for a few times because of it. I'm not saying it's right, that's just what's been happening.

Thomas is in from that era because he was vocal ( like Schilling and Griffey Jr. ) in trying to get the game clean. Seeing what Jr., Maddux, Glavine, Johnson, Pedro, Thomas and Schilling did clean during that time, and against that competition is incredible.

As for Clemens. He was done. Not resigned by Boston. Done. Goes to Toronto/MFY/Houston and wins 3 more Cy Young awards. He needs to be kept out of Cooperstown especially since a lot of his career milestones came after he was 40. Cracka please.

[UtahRatt]

I'm glad I got to see Maddux, Glavine and Thomas play many times.

Watched Maddux and Glavine pitch back to back followed by a young Millwood rookie year if I remember right. Glavine dominated, Maddux lost a close game and Millwood got lit up in Coors Field.

Been a Thomas fan from day one, how could you not? I have a ton of his baseball cards laying around in a box somewhere.

Frank Thomas reminded me of Eddie Murray, one of my favorite players.

[killeverything]

I'm glad I got to see Maddux, Glavine and Thomas play many times.

Watched Maddux and Glavine pitch back to back followed by a young Millwood rookie year if I remember right. Glavine dominated, Maddux lost a close game and Millwood got lit up in Coors Field.

Been a Thomas fan from day one, how could you not? I have a ton of his baseball cards laying around in a box somewhere.

Frank Thomas reminded me of Eddie Murray, one of my favorite players.

Maddux and Glavine ( also added Jones, Smoltz and Justice ) made everyone root for the Braves....if they of course weren't playing your team. I also can't think of anyone that wasn't a Big Hurt fan either. His Topps Future Star card was THE card to have, almost on par with the Upperdeck Griffey Jr. rookie ( the fucking holy grail when you were like 10 )

I know a few Braves fans right now. Two of them aren't from Atlanta and have no family history there, they became and stayed Atl. fans because of Maddux.