NIN Got Some Crazy Bitches, Part Trois

[emryn]

I love the fact he's all like "I've only just checked it out" despite claiming he's got a finger on the pulse about how to advertise and build hype. Bitch is just pissed he didn't think of it first. Waaah.

So it only takes 2 million google alerts to get his attention? Excuse me, I have some internet graffiti to be getting on with...

[bronzecookie81]

Spot on.
Like he doesn't get alerted and read everything daily that's said about him. Hell, mention a "T" and he's reading it in hopes his name is in print. He just appears suddenly to say that, as if he's bothered his name was being mentioned in association with it. Just like last summer when he played like none of what he did was for media attention.

I love the fact he's all like "I've only just checked it out" despite claiming he's got a finger on the pulse about how to advertise and build hype. Bitch is just pissed he didn't think of it first. Waaah.

So it only takes 2 million google alerts to get his attention? Excuse me, I have some internet graffiti to be getting on with...

[RichardL]

Tell your buddy Troublemaker he's whack. BTW Mariqueen....noticed you were tweeting to him last week...but the big bad wolf must not like it when you tweet to men because you sure took the tweets down.
I guess your Tweeting makes him look like a Fool, yet your blowjob pics and pics of random tongues down your throat floating around the net are fine and dandy."
What a life that must be- constantly being watched by the big old goth goat that you aren't tweeting to other men and are not cheating on him. The proof is all out there-there are are hundreds of pictures out there of Mariqueen making out with other men, women, and letting dogs like Tony mount her.
"You can't turn a ho into a housewife."
That statement is so true. And the stress of him having to always keep an eye on her is showing in his actions, the new wrinkles on his face, and his recent weight gain. One of my friends who had a crush on Trent says she wouldn't even want to touch him anymore considering her probably got a ton of diseases from her.

Now some humor since it's the weekend lilianus on twitter wrote:I want to be Mariqueen Maandig when I grow up.
3:35 AM Mar 9th via web
Let's see it already says anus right in her screenname lilianus, so she's alreayd not too far off the mark. Now all she has to do is screw 1000 guys and a dog, and then hang out with a bloated used-up rock star in his 40s so she can marry him. Latch onto him to start her music career and take his millions of dollars. So she'll never have to work again, becomes famous from marrying him, and can do whatever she wants.
Did I leave anything out?

[amouthfulofsin220]

Tell your buddy Troublemaker he's whack. BTW Mariqueen....noticed you were tweeting to him last week...but the big bad wolf must not like it when you tweet to men because you sure took the tweets down.
I guess your Tweeting makes him look like a Fool, yet your blowjob pics and pics of random tongues down your throat floating around the net are fine and dandy."
What a life that must be- constantly being watched by the big old goth goat that you aren't tweeting to other men and are not cheating on him. The proof is all out there-there are are hundreds of pictures out there of Mariqueen making out with other men, women, and letting dogs like Tony mount her.
"You can't turn a ho into a housewife."
That statement is so true. And the stress of him having to always keep an eye on her is showing in his actions, the new wrinkles on his face, and his recent weight gain. One of my friends who had a crush on Trent says she wouldn't even want to touch him anymore considering her probably got a ton of diseases from her.

Now some humor since it's the weekend lilianus on twitter wrote:I want to be Mariqueen Maandig when I grow up.
3:35 AM Mar 9th via web
Let's see it already says anus right in her screenname lilianus, so she's alreayd not too far off the mark. Now all she has to do is screw 1000 guys and a dog, and then hang out with a bloated used-up rock star in his 40s so she can marry him. Latch onto him to start her music career and take his millions of dollars. So she'll never have to work again, becomes famous from marrying him, and can do whatever she wants.
Did I leave anything out?

Haven't I said this before:

Don't all A list rockers marry models or porn actresses?

He's not an A list rock star anymore, so he found someone who does it for free - I guess it's all he could afford.

Let's hope Slumber Party Massacre slays on the charts (or whatever her project with him is called), so the immolation of her reputation was worth it.

P.S. - *sigh* Why is it that a broken heart is so fattening?

[RichardL]

trent_reznor twitter: After 2,000,000 Google alerts I finally checked out iamamiwhoami. I have nothing to do with this.
about 19 hours ago via web

It just proves what we knew all along- he is so obssessed with his image in the media that he google alerts any mention of Trent Reznor in the news a 1000 times a day. He LOVES reading about himself and being a media whore. I imagine him sitting on his big fat bloated ass at his mansion in Beverly Hills perfoming a million google searches for any sign of his name at all. At the same time, if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. When he gets so many people talking about him by insulting other artists like Gene Simmons a dopey clown or calls Chris Cornell's album embarrassing to listen to, he CAN'T stand it when other people insult him. I saw him several times block people on twitter because they said they didn't like his performance. It's almost pathetic to watch what used to be such a talented musician go down the tubes so rapidly.

All the fans are now AWARE of Trent's marketing lies and schemes. Him saying Bonnarroo was the last date to generate ticket sales , only to have another Wave Goodbye tour pop up. An engagement and new relationship with the Rentaqueen appearing MYSTERIOUSLY around the time of the new tour, hmm sounds like another way to get your name in the media by generating engagement buzz. Now a bunch of ? pictures on nin.com to stir more interest.

I for one am getting tired of hearing about Trent, Maniqueen, Rob, and any other of his paid employees. At the end of the day, Trent has no friends, only leeches of people mooching off him. It must be a sad and lonely life to truly have no one at all, and not even being able to trust your partner. Whether manqueen loves him or not remains to be seen. As of right now, I see her loving the attention and fame. Like Trent said, you reap what you sow.

[Orionslavegirl1]

I agree.I'm really tired of reading what the employees and exbandmates so i deleted all of them from my twitter. Even Demonbaby,which is Rob and annoys the shit out of me.

Danny Lohner can kiss my ass.

Only person i kept is Meathead- only because he is hysterical

[amouthfulofsin220]

trent_reznor twitter: After 2,000,000 Google alerts I finally checked out iamamiwhoami. I have nothing to do with this.
about 19 hours ago via web

It just proves what we knew all along- he is so obssessed with his image in the media that he google alerts any mention of Trent Reznor in the news a 1000 times a day. He LOVES reading about himself and being a media whore. I imagine him sitting on his big fat bloated ass at his mansion in Beverly Hills perfoming a million google searches for any sign of his name at all. At the same time, if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. When he gets so many people talking about him by insulting other artists like Gene Simmons a dopey clown or calls Chris Cornell's album embarrassing to listen to, he CAN'T stand it when other people insult him. I saw him several times block people on twitter because they said they didn't like his performance. It's almost pathetic to watch what used to be such a talented musician go down the tubes so rapidly.

All the fans are now AWARE of Trent's marketing lies and schemes. Him saying Bonnarroo was the last date to generate ticket sales , only to have another Wave Goodbye tour pop up. An engagement and new relationship with the Rentaqueen appearing MYSTERIOUSLY around the time of the new tour, hmm sounds like another way to get your name in the media by generating engagement buzz. Now a bunch of ? pictures on nin.com to stir more interest.

I for one am getting tired of hearing about Trent, Maniqueen, Rob, and any other of his paid employees. At the end of the day, Trent has no friends, only leeches of people mooching off him. It must be a sad and lonely life to truly have no one at all, and not even being able to trust your partner. Whether manqueen loves him or not remains to be seen. As of right now, I see her loving the attention and fame. Like Trent said, you reap what you sow.

WHY, pray tell, would they RIP what they've SEWN now?

They got away with it - they got the attention that they wanted. It's obvious he was ready for the collateral damage his leetle stunt was gonna cause...but he didn't expect so much.

No biggie though. The rabble's memory is spotty at best, but whether a phoenix rises from those ashes remains to be seen.

Aww, come on Orion - what's Danny done to deserve such vitriol? He's harmless...just a squirrel trying to get a nut.



P.S. - When you type random words in all capitals, you sound like this guy when I read it:


Makes for an entertaining read.

[Orionslavegirl1]

Aww, come on Orion - what's Danny done to deserve such vitriol? He's harmless...just a squirrel trying to get a nut.

..to move my butt?

He tweeted from Trent's wedding. Me and him are done.

[bronzecookie81]

O_o

Love is totally getting "engaged" a week before your "final" world tour--oh and documenting it all on Twitter when you've been fiercely private about your real life for 20 years....love is also cupcakes, fisting, inviting men to your "fiances" home while he's on tour and making vagina buttons.

It amuses me that you believe MariPeen is going to take Sybil's money.
Bitch couldn't get a real engagement ring out of Fonzie's chubby angry younger brother, yet she's going to mastermind what John Malm couldn't finish. She's totally going to be sitting pretty with that stash of pizzas and salsa.
That Fool is getting paid with a cum drenched face and a wet ass...oh, and the occassional Sprinkles cupcake. That's LOVE.

Danny looks like a puppet who molests people.

trent_reznor twitter: After 2,000,000 Google alerts I finally checked out iamamiwhoami. I have nothing to do with this.
about 19 hours ago via web

It just proves what we knew all along- he is so obssessed with his image in the media that he google alerts any mention of Trent Reznor in the news a 1000 times a day. He LOVES reading about himself and being a media whore. I imagine him sitting on his big fat bloated ass at his mansion in Beverly Hills perfoming a million google searches for any sign of his name at all. At the same time, if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. When he gets so many people talking about him by insulting other artists like Gene Simmons a dopey clown or calls Chris Cornell's album embarrassing to listen to, he CAN'T stand it when other people insult him. I saw him several times block people on twitter because they said they didn't like his performance. It's almost pathetic to watch what used to be such a talented musician go down the tubes so rapidly.

All the fans are now AWARE of Trent's marketing lies and schemes. Him saying Bonnarroo was the last date to generate ticket sales , only to have another Wave Goodbye tour pop up. An engagement and new relationship with the Rentaqueen appearing MYSTERIOUSLY around the time of the new tour, hmm sounds like another way to get your name in the media by generating engagement buzz. Now a bunch of ? pictures on nin.com to stir more interest.

I for one am getting tired of hearing about Trent, Maniqueen, Rob, and any other of his paid employees. At the end of the day, Trent has no friends, only leeches of people mooching off him. It must be a sad and lonely life to truly have no one at all, and not even being able to trust your partner. Whether manqueen loves him or not remains to be seen. As of right now, I see her loving the attention and fame. Like Trent said, you reap what you sow.

[amouthfulofsin220]

Aww, come on Orion - what's Danny done to deserve such vitriol? He's harmless...just a squirrel trying to get a nut.

..to move my butt?

He tweeted from Trent's wedding. Me and him are done.

God, that song takes me back...

I loved the second grade.

[Orionslavegirl1]

^^ LIES!

lmao.

[bronzecookie81]

You know it's coming....and it's gonna have a big ol barbeque sauce stain on it or some other rank white trash shit because MariPeen got huuuuungray while trying to read the small print. Rob is probably being commisioned *ahem* ordered to forge the document as we speak.

First of all how is Maridickqueen going to get anything out of Trent breadbasket Reznor when they don't have a legit marriage license...still waiting for the fake photoscopped document

[bronzecookie81]

You know it's true.

I saw that quote. Drug addict always gambling. Bitch just might not *get* his audience back.....but who am I kidding? The kool aid drinkers will buy logs of shit if he puts "NIN" on it. Then, all those fucked up folks have kids, and he's got a whole new generation to fool/trick/get disability checks from.

You know it's coming....and it's gonna have a big ol barbeque sauce stain on it or some other rank white trash shit because MariPeen got huuuuungray while trying to read the small print. Rob is probably being commisioned *ahem* ordered to forge the document as we speak.

You had me at Big o'l BBQ stain! lmfao oh gawd!

[RichardL]

First of all how is Maridickqueen going to get anything out of Trent breadbasket Reznor when they don't have a legit marriage license...still waiting for the fake photoscopped document

I was just wondering if anyone has seen the official license. Still no show huh?
Meh we all knew it was a fake ceramony anyway.
Maybe Rez does have some sense in his head and knew better to really marry a famewhore.

Anyone else catch the latest interview with TR in Believer magazine?
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7113/scan6.jpg
And the part of it where he says "I want to fuck some things up, lose my audience and HAVE to gain them back."

You're going at it the wrong way Rez
-Just sayin'

The article was worth a good laugh. Just LOVED the conversation Trent had with himself.
Oh yeah, the comment Trent made about :I want to fuck some things up, lose my audience, and HAVE to gain them back, is backpeddaling on his part after he sees how he's lost most of his fans now. The way he phrased it makes it seem like he's going to lose the audience IN THE FUTURE when he already has with his past actions in the last few months.

Trent Reznor is never going to make a full come back. He just doesn't have the staying power of David Bowie or the Rolling Stones. His asshole antics the last few months have pissed everyone off, by telling fans how to slit their wrists, calling people plump and unattractive, and telling off artists like Gene Simmons and Chris Cornell. When he referred to people as plump and unattractive, he forgot that also could describe a majority of his fanbase. The final nail in the coffin was when he stuck his relationship with Rentaqueen in everyone's faces. Because a lot of his fanbase are single women who are obsessed with him, and now they want to move on. It's like he cut off his witch's nose to spite his face.
Even the article said he wants to tour again with NIN, so it just shows what a pinnochio liar he is.
Sure, he will make more music but they hardly going to sell. The main people buying the music will be his sheep, people who don't care what he says or does. The rest of the fans will have moved on.

[dustbunny]

[quote="bronzecookie81"]O_o

Love is totally getting "engaged" a week before your "final" world tour--oh and documenting it all on Twitter when you've been fiercely private about your real life for 20 years....love is also cupcakes, fisting, inviting men to your "fiances" home while he's on tour and making vagina buttons.

It amuses me that you believe MariPeen is going to take Sybil's money.
Bitch couldn't get a real engagement ring out of Fonzie's chubby angry younger brother, yet she's going to mastermind what John Malm couldn't finish. She's totally going to be sitting pretty with that stash of pizzas and salsa.
That Fool is getting paid with a cum drenched face and a wet ass...oh, and the occassional Sprinkles cupcake. That's LOVE.

Danny looks like a puppet who molests people.

THIS^
A puppet who molests people

[bronzecookie81]

It is sad. Who he dated/fucked/married for real is NONE of their business....and I can see why Sybil thought it was funny to fuck with the Kool-aid drinkers.
TR could've married Big Bird as long as it was real and private. Nobody told his ass to stage some bullshit low budget ghetto Harlequin PR drama with a Ho.....then Tweet it all when you knew it was going to enrage/annoy and that was the point in the first place. The nail in the coffin wasn't him getting with *insert random whores name* like Richard said....it was HOW he did it. If Sybil liked this dingy, rank, no talent Hooker and it was real, that would've been on him. It's the famewhore PR fuckery he brought that's the issue. Then he turns it around as if they are innocent and being attacked--for later victim play mind you.
As you said though, there is no nail in this Fool's coffin. He's always got a new fucked up generation.

Thats sad, seriously, that his fan based avg 30-40 in age had children but still single....his fan base didnt grow up and still acting like they belong to the Gothic Mickey Mouse Club. Running around from show to show with their wide fat asses thinking Trent is Peter Pan and never fucked around and shit since Tori Amos...holmes got pornstars aka escorts on speed dial.

[Wikkedsyn]

HE lives....

trent_reznor

After 2,000,000 Google alerts I finally checked out iamamiwhoami. I have nothing to do with this. about 3 hours ago via web

He's only following 65 people. He was following 68. I wonder who's pissed him off now...

is Pink Trent one of them?!

[amouthfulofsin220]

HE lives....

trent_reznor

After 2,000,000 Google alerts I finally checked out iamamiwhoami. I have nothing to do with this. about 3 hours ago via web

He's only following 65 people. He was following 68. I wonder who's pissed him off now...

is Pink Trent one of them?!

That's a really good question.

[Lydia]

He's only following 65 people. He was following 68. I wonder who's pissed him off now...

is Pink Trent one of them?!

That's a really good question.

Well, neither of Trent Vanegas' accounts are following Trez. Were they before?

[Wikkedsyn]

Well, neither of Trent Vanegas' accounts are following Trez. Were they before?

http://twitter.com/trentvanegas/followi ... 6018745211

He seems to be still following Trent and Q.
Q is following him, not sure about Rez...then again.. you know him "he hates everyone" .

[RichardL]

A Day in the Life of Rentaqueen Whore Reznor

Wake up at 6 AM so Trent can go out jogging.
Annoy Trent to death and make gross, disgusting food like toaster pizzas dipped in salsa.
Beg Trent to take me to the studio so I can appear on his new album even though the world knows I can't sing. The only thing I am good at is spreading my legs.
Several times a day, Trent calls the house to make sure I am home and to ask me what I am doing. Trent big daddy wants to make sure I am not saying anything bad about him and am not cheating on him. How could he not suspect this whore isn't cheating on him with all the 50 pictures of her with other men and kissing women?
At night, Trent comes home and looks at my computer. He often reads over my shoulder to see what websites I am going on.
And now it's time for the sex life. Remember when I tweeted to everyone that we had sex and then nerded out in our own corners, and then dessert round 23 was coming up? To the rest of the world, this means that Trent lasts in bed all of 5 minutes or else there wouldn't be a dessert round2, and he would rather be on the computer harrassing random fans than cuddle with you afterwards, you repulsive beast. So it doesn't sound like Trent is any bargain in bed if he lasts 5 minutes.
She should have stayed in West Indian Girl but of course that whore isn't smart or else she'd be a good singer and be famous on her own without her sugar daddy. Her career is going nowhere, she might as well try to rejoin. The real winner here is Francis Ten, they got a new pretty singer now who can actually sing.

[bronzecookie81]

Yes Ma'am she did. I mean...that told all before anyone was really even looking at her Twitter--about a week before the ST premiere. That Tweet is now gone from her Twitter feed. Interesting, huh?

Speaking of binding a contract together didnt Mariqueen tweeted before this cheap telenovella PR stunt began I got approval from my ex to begin a fictional romance?

[dustbunny]

A Day in the Life of Rentaqueen Whore Reznor

Wake up at 6 AM so Trent can go out jogging.
Annoy Trent to death and make gross, disgusting food like toaster pizzas dipped in salsa.
Beg Trent to take me to the studio so I can appear on his new album even though the world knows I can't sing. The only thing I am good at is spreading my legs.
Several times a day, Trent calls the house to make sure I am home and to ask me what I am doing. Trent big daddy wants to make sure I am not saying anything bad about him and am not cheating on him. How could he not suspect this whore isn't cheating on him with all the 50 pictures of her with other men and kissing women?
At night, Trent comes home and looks at my computer. He often reads over my shoulder to see what websites I am going on.
And now it's time for the sex life. Remember when I tweeted to everyone that we had sex and then nerded out in our own corners, and then dessert round 23 was coming up? To the rest of the world, this means that Trent lasts in bed all of 5 minutes or else there wouldn't be a dessert round2, and he would rather be on the computer harrassing random fans than cuddle with you afterwards, you repulsive beast. So it doesn't sound like Trent is any bargain in bed if he lasts 5 minutes.
She should have stayed in West Indian Girl but of course that whore isn't smart or else she'd be a good singer and be famous on her own without her sugar daddy. Her career is going nowhere, she might as well try to rejoin. The real winner here is Francis Ten, they got a new pretty singer now who can actually sing.

Looking at Ladyboy Maandick would make any guy lose his erection.

[bronzecookie81]

That's MQ.
Look at the writing style. All the stupid shit like this: >>>>>>3
Stupid shit like that is all her.
Those Tweets she deleted were getting RT'd to Rez for days saying how she must've been getting sick of riding his 3 inch carrot or some shit. Sybil must've called her out on it so she removed them. BTW, that pussy looks dirty as hell. Must remind her of her own snatch.

This is Sybil's latest rant/dummy account.
http://twitter.com/youareonourlist

So, who is manning this twitter account - TR or MQ?
http://twitter.com/mmmmmmmassacre

Why did they post then delete the tweet about the pretty little vjay that said "Slut for Black Cock"?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/10973 ... c0.jpg?v=0

Was MQ calling out for Lil Wayne? Did TR make her take it down?

I think Lipbalmm said it best -
@mmmmmmmassacre poor @mariqueen ain't getting any and now craving the big boys. 3 inches just isn't enough @trent_reznor boo hoo! 5:57 AM Mar 11th via web in reply to mmmmmmmassacre

http://twitter.com/lipbalmm

[RichardL]

Cathousebabe posted :Anyhoo I think you've just about summed it up but don't forget to add;
Nag TR to an inch of his sanity to prove that he's in love with her by tweeting about it constantly and turn around crying and whining because peeps are talking shit about her dumb ass whoreish photos she's so proud of causing him to lash out and make a complete fool of himself.

I disagree. Mariwhore LOVES the negative attention and she purposely posts pictures and taunts the fans. She's not crying and whining to anyone-she enjoys being a dickhead. She told off andreaurbanfox and several other fans on twitter, when she could just have done the mature thing and just blocked them.Remember how she made fun of the NIN fans and said they reminded her of being in high school. She thinks she's above everyone else.

Trent lashing out and going after the 1 FAN on twitter in his delusional mind (even though there were a bunch of people) talking about her and posting on echoingthesound saying FIND them and I mean physically find them was him acting like big brother and reading her page's comments. She didn't ask him to do it- she LOVES people jabbing at her, or else her profile would be private and not public.

Trent is the person in control of his own destiny-he's not taking commands from anyone else. He is making a fool of himself out of his own accord. Thing is, he may be too mentally unstable and out of it to realize he's doing it most of the time. At this point, he's burned so many bridges, his career as a musician has gone down the tubes.

I am beginning to see why he would have wanted a contract with her instead of an actual marriage. Do you think he had a prenup with her or what? Added:for people who think there is no marriage license ,what do you think he put in the contract? And why not have a real marriage to a woman who isn't an unintelligent cum dumpster? Because he needs an out for when he can no longer stand her and she's annoyed him to death. Look at his friend, Chris Vrenna, that marriage ended recently.

[bronzecookie81]

For the last time Richard....these two are not legally married. You don't need a prenup, if there is no actual marriage.

To Richard: Since you like to edit shit after people comment.......
A real marriage to a real woman with even a modicum of class, intelligence, and respect for herself would require him to be a real man, have some standards, and make some changes to himself..... not be a controlling person because a real woman with real goals isn't going to put up with him. In short, it's easier to be a Jackass than to live up to standards. You get an Idiot who is untalented and will do anything for the idea of fame, and you can plan the tackiest PR stunt your little munchkin heart desires.

[THELORDOFDARKNESS]

And the part of it where he says "I want to fuck some things up, lose my audience and HAVE to gain them back."

I read that article when someone mentioned on this board and I thought Trent Reznor once again back peddling knowing full damn well that all his PR antics backfired and now he claiming this bullshit I want to piss off my fans to win them back...Nucca they aint going anywhere those chunky dense goth bitches have low self esteem all they going to do is inform their kids to nin so the cycle continues... new koolaid drinkers....please the people who have common sense already aint buying anything that's labeled NIN....I recall getting a burn cassette tape of PHM when I was 18 why would I want to buy any of this so called limited edition bullshit now.

Good luck winning back his fans,motherfucker ruined his career by being a complete and utter soulless asshole! Who the hell wants to be a fan of a guy who laughs at and hates his fans. Motherfucker is evil!
Even satan is not a fan.lol

[amouthfulofsin220]

Why did they post then delete the tweet about the pretty little vjay that said "Slut for Black Cock"?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/10973 ... c0.jpg?v=0

Did either of them actually post that pic on their account?

Ugh, that's vile.

[RichardL]

[quote="THELORDOFDARKNESS]

Good luck winning back his fans,motherfucker ruined his career by being a complete and utter soulless asshole! Who the hell wants to be a fan of a guy who laughs at and hates his fans. Motherfucker is evil!
Even satan is not a fan.lol[/quote]

What THELORDOFDARKNESS said. I have been watching this PR fuckery games that Trent has been playing with the fans and the media for some time. I used to be a big fan of his music since the mid 1990s and The Downward Spiral. I used to enjoy listening to his music until I saw how he treated his fans this year, so I stopped buying his music. I know Trent Reznor is a pathological liar and now he came out laughing at and being an asshole to his fans. From the outside, it looked like an actual wedding. I did see Danny Lohner post pics from the ceremony and she was wearing a ring. Again, from an outsider it did seem like he married the Rentaqueen, but there have been all sorts of deception and lies going on. There's no way of really knowing
Now he's selling empty guitar cases.
nineinchnails on twitter Another round of equipment, keyboard stands, and cases have been added to our eBay sale: http://bit.ly/NINebay
What's next? Old newspapers, used condoms, toothbrushes, and garbage

[RichardL]

Even a marriage license can be fabricated, especially from another country. People fabricate birth certificates and driver's licenses all the time.