Ugmo wrote:
Come on dude, Obama isn't "CNN's man", if that's what you mean. I think it's more like the U.S. is so used to having a massive national debt that people don't even think about it much. Like the Spiegel article says, the "moral hurdle" was passed a long time ago, so people don't react as hysterically.
He may not be "CNN's Man" specifically, in that any Democrat would be "CNN's person".
However, he is on "CNN's team" thus he is "CNN's guy" for now.
Yeah, that's what I meant, I think. I'm not against CNN for being liberal, I mean fuck, I listen to Faux News in a morning on the way to work and those motherfuckers are so conservative I don't know how O'Reilly can keep a straight face while saying "fair and balanced."
O'Reilly is a middle of the roader but because he raises his voice and people hear his right leaning views when his voice is raised, a large collection of fools think he's a hardcore right winger.
Regarding the fair and balanced thing, yes, they've leaned right, but they've always given pretty good face time to the left, which can't be said for the other networks/cable outlets.
Besides, Fox has drifted more to the center in recent years; they are now what CNN used to be about 10 years ago.
When was the last time Fox/O'Reilly said anything fair and balanced about "socialism" or even the democratic socialism practiced in Western Europe? They won't even entertain it, it's all bad in their eyes.
MickeyG wrote:When was the last time Fox/O'Reilly said anything fair and balanced about "socialism" or even the democratic socialism practiced in Western Europe? They won't even entertain it, it's all bad in their eyes.
He has some right leaning views, some left. They balance each other out.
He supported healthcare in the US.
PS Liking the capitalist system and being apprehensive of socialism isn't exclusive to the right wing and opposing something doesn't make a person unfair.
They never say one positive thing about socialism. Not even a "all the poor people will gain from it" comment. They're supposed to be a news organization. Report the news, good and bad is all I'm saying.
Saying O'Reilly is for healthcare reform means nothing. Most Republicans are for reform, just not Obamacare.
MickeyG wrote:They never say one positive thing about socialism. Not even a "all the poor people will gain from it" comment. They're supposed to be a news organization. Report the news, good and bad is all I'm saying.
Saying O'Reilly is for healthcare reform means nothing. Most Republicans are for reform, just not Obamacare.
So ?
Because they are opposed to a system that is counter to the founding ideology does not make them unfair.
Do you watch Fox 24/7 ? Or do you watch the cut and pasted snippets from their opposition/competition ?
MickeyG wrote:They never say one positive thing about socialism. Not even a "all the poor people will gain from it" comment. They're supposed to be a news organization. Report the news, good and bad is all I'm saying.
Saying O'Reilly is for healthcare reform means nothing. Most Republicans are for reform, just not Obamacare.
So ?
Because they are opposed to a system that is counter to the founding ideology does not make them unfair.
Do you watch Fox 24/7 ? Or do you watch the cut and pasted snippets from their opposition/competition ?
Do you want Sharia law in your land ?
O'Reilly was for the public option.
Obviously, I don't watch Fox 24/7, just like those that criticize the liberal media don't watch them 24/7. But I do listen everyday except weekends. The only opposition I pay attention to is on the CNN website. It just seems odd that every time I have it on and they talk about social systems, nothing positive is said about about how Western Europe does it.
And just because they are pro founding father ideology doesn't make them fair either. Times have changed.
Dunno what you mean by the Sharia law thing, but no I don't.
And ok, yes O'Reilly reckons you should have a public option if you are going to mandate healthcare. What is his stance on a public option publicly funded without a mandate? I can't recall if I've heard him talk about that.
MickeyG wrote:They never say one positive thing about socialism. Not even a "all the poor people will gain from it" comment. They're supposed to be a news organization. Report the news, good and bad is all I'm saying.
Saying O'Reilly is for healthcare reform means nothing. Most Republicans are for reform, just not Obamacare.
So ?
Because they are opposed to a system that is counter to the founding ideology does not make them unfair.
Do you watch Fox 24/7 ? Or do you watch the cut and pasted snippets from their opposition/competition ?
Do you want Sharia law in your land ?
O'Reilly was for the public option.
Obviously, I don't watch Fox 24/7, just like those that criticize the liberal media don't watch them 24/7. But I do listen everyday except weekends. The only opposition I pay attention to is on the CNN website. It just seems odd that every time I have it on and they talk about social systems, nothing positive is said about about how Western Europe does it.
And just because they are pro founding father ideology doesn't make them fair either. Times have changed.
Dunno what you mean by the Sharia law thing, but no I don't.
And ok, yes O'Reilly reckons you should have a public option if you are going to mandate healthcare. What is his stance on a public option publicly funded without a mandate? I can't recall if I've heard him talk about that.
I took your question to mean do I want it imposed or forced on people here in the US. I don't believe an Islamic way of life should be forced on anyone, if they don't want it.
I'm not sure what you are getting at with this, dude.
I know I'm not the only one you've confused on here before! I'm probably missing something really simple.
MickeyG wrote:I took your question to mean do I want it imposed or forced on people here in the US. I don't believe an Islamic way of life should be forced on anyone, if they don't want it.
I'm not sure what you are getting at with this, dude.
I know I'm not the only one you've confused on here before! I'm probably missing something really simple.
Do you think your resistance to Sharia law means you are not fair and balanced ?
If they understand what it means and don't like it that's fine.
I have no problem with anyone at Fox not being fair and balanced as long as they say they aren't and they advertise it as opinion. They are a news organization and should report the news, whether they like it or not. Shouting down the righties as well as the lefties would go down well too. They don't challenge the right the same as the left, IMO.
MickeyG wrote:If they understand what it means and don't like it that's fine.
I have no problem with anyone at Fox not being fair and balanced as long as they say they aren't and they advertise it as opinion. They are a news organization and should report the news, whether they like it or not. Shouting down the righties as well as the lefties would go down well too. They don't challenge the right the same as the left, IMO.
Not everything on Fox is news. The top rated programs are opinion shows. Everyone knows this. Regardless, while some of the hosts are unwavering fools (Hannity, Beck) the fact is they still give "the other side" lots of air time, which can't be said for "the other side".
Fox News is a brand name. They are a 24 hour news network and they fill time with opinion shows.
I just chuckle at the fair and balanced stuff that's all. Yes, it's full of opinion. I don't find CNN as bad, but MSNBC sucks just as bad. Not an Olberman fan. The last time I saw that channel was around election time, just to see Olberman run his mouth. I suppose that's the balance on cable news. MSNBC on one side, Fox on the other, and although most will disagree, CNN in the middle. HLN seems ok too. But it's CNN owned, I think.
MickeyG wrote:I just chuckle at the fair and balanced stuff that's all. Yes, it's full of opinion. I don't find CNN as bad, but MSNBC sucks just as bad. Not an Olberman fan. The last time I saw that channel was around election time, just to see Olberman run his mouth. I suppose that's the balance on cable news. MSNBC on one side, Fox on the other, and although most will disagree, CNN in the middle. HLN seems ok too. But it's CNN owned, I think.
As mentioned previously, Fox will actually give airtime to the other side.
Make no mistake about it, CNN is biased, in particular Wolf Blitzer - the man wouldn't shut up about Bush's approval rating dropping. Not only daily updates, but sometimes several times per day.
However, nary a mention of Obama's ratings.
That's one small example of many.
To compare Fox to MSNBC is just not correct. Fox appeals to a mainstream audience. By and large it's one side of the political spectrum, but it's still a mainstream audience. MSNBC appeals to a sect within a spectrum, the far out whackos on the left.
Fox vs CNN is the comparison.
That being said, CNN has Robin Meade, the best way to end every morning, and Meade's presence tilts the advantage to CNN.
For someone from North America, your comparison is probably right.
But for me from Western Europe, who had never seen Fox news, or MSNBC before he moved here, CNN seems normal. I was used to left leaning news before I came here.
MickeyG wrote:I took your question to mean do I want it imposed or forced on people here in the US. I don't believe an Islamic way of life should be forced on anyone, if they don't want it.
I'm not sure what you are getting at with this, dude.
I know I'm not the only one you've confused on here before! I'm probably missing something really simple.
Do you think your resistance to Sharia law means you are not fair and balanced ?
If the pedo-prophet worshiping Muslim cunts want Sharia law then I fully support their option to go to a country that has Sharia law.
I'm not against CNN for being liberal, I mean fuck, I listen to Faux News in a morning on the way to work and those motherfuckers are so conservative I don't know how O'Reilly can keep a straight face while saying "fair and balanced."
