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Just ask al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn.

Letter Excerpts: What al Qaeda Thought of Fox News, CNN, ABC


By WSJ Staff

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A still image shows Al-Qaeda’s American spokesman Adam Gadahn delivering a video message.

In a letter written in January 2011 to an unknown recipient, American al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn discussed al Qaeda’s media strategy for the 10th anniversary of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. Here is an excerpt from the letter in which the spokesman discusses how to approach American media, critiques the various networks, and whether to offer a television network an exclusive interview with Osama Bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri, then al Qaeda’s second-in-command.

Here is the excerpt below. See the full letter starting on page 76 of our searchable compilation of the report and letters. Also, read the related WSJ story on the ‘Letters from Abottabad” report and letters released Thursday.

As far as the American channel that could be used to deliver our messages, whether on the tenth anniversary or before or after, in my personal opinion there are no distinct differences between the channels from the standpoint of professionalism and neutrality. It is all as the Shaykh [Osama Bin Laden] has stated (close to professionalism and neutrality) it has not and will not reach the perfect professionalism and neutrality, only if God wants that.

From the professional point of view, they are all on one level except (Fox News) channel which falls into the abyss as you know, and lacks neutrality too. As for the neutrality of CNN in English, it seems to be in cooperation with the government more than the others (except Fox News of course). Its Arabic version brings good and detailed reports about al-Sahab releases, with a lot of quotations from the original text. That means they copy directly from the releases or its gist. It is not like what other channels and sites do, copying from news agencies like Reuters, AP and others.

I used to think that MSNBC channel may be good and neutral a bit, but is has lately fired two of the most famous journalists –Keith Olberman and Octavia Nasser the Lebanese – because they released some statements that were open for argument (The Lebanese had praised a Shia Imam Muhammad Husayn Fadlallah after is death and called him “One of the marvels of Hizballah” it seems she is a Shia.)

CBS channel was mentioned by the Shaykh, I see that it is like the other channels, but it has a famous program (60 Minutes) that has some popularity and a good reputation for its long
broadcasting time. Only God knows the reality, as I am not really in a position to do so.
ABC channel is all right; actually it could be one of the best channels, as far as we are concerned.It is interested in al- Qa’ida issues, particularly the journalist Brian Ross, who is specialized in terrorism. The channel is still proud for its interview with the Shaykh. It also broadcasted excerpts from a speech of mine on the fourth anniversary, it also published most of that text on its site on the internet.

In conclusion, we can say that there is no single channel that we could rely on for our messages. I may ignore them, and even the channel that broadcast them, probably it would distort them somehow. This is accomplished by bringing analysts and experts that would interpret its meaning in the way they want it to be.

Or they may ignore the message and conduct a smearing of the individuals, to the end of the list of what you know about their cunning methods.

But if the display -in the next anniversary for example- of a special type, like a special interview with Shaykh Usama or Shaykh Ayman [al-Zawahiri], and with questions chosen by the channel, and with a good camera, we might find a channel that would accept its broadcasting. But they would accept this time, so as to get an exclusive press scoop: The first press interview of Shaykh Usama or Shaykh Ayman since 10 years ago! Particularly if the Shaykh is the one to be interviewed. This is because of the scarcity of his appearance during the last nine years. Because of the poor photographic quality of the last two releases –I do not know the photo quality this time- this led those believers in conspiracy theory to speculate if the person was the Shaykh, and you may have seen the program (Ben Ladin, alive or dead?) that was broadcast by Al Jazeera.

Accordingly, a high quality speech (HD) may receive some interest by some channels in the tenth anniversary. If the quality of the new Shaykh’s speech is high, relative to the two previous speeches, you may think to compress it or take some measures to decrease the quality, to be similar to the previous ones, and I am talking seriously.

In general, and no matter what material we send, I suggest that we should distribute it to more than one channel, so that there will be healthy competition between the channels in broadcasting the material, so that no other channel takes the lead. It should be sent for example to ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN and maybe PBS and VOA. As for Fox News, let her die in her anger. That is if there was no agreement with a specific channel to publish a specific material, or conduct an interview, or the like.
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We should care what this piece of shit says .... WHY, exactly?

Hopefully he's one of the next two with a Hellfire missle up his ass.
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Fox News still sucks!
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RATTrules wrote:Fox News still sucks!
Yes, but without them the political landscape would be skewed to an unacceptable degree.
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SmokingGun wrote:
RATTrules wrote:Fox News still sucks!
Yes, but without them the political landscape would be skewed to an unacceptable degree.

Yes, because we need more half truths and out right lies in our news reporting.
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KneelandBobDylan wrote:
SmokingGun wrote:
RATTrules wrote:Fox News still sucks!
Yes, but without them the political landscape would be skewed to an unacceptable degree.

Yes, because we need more half truths and out right lies in our news reporting.
Thank God MSNBC is there to give the real story with no bias!
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KneelandBobDylan wrote:
SmokingGun wrote:
RATTrules wrote:Fox News still sucks!
Yes, but without them the political landscape would be skewed to an unacceptable degree.

Yes, because we need more half truths and out right lies in our news reporting.
Fox is not balanced. MSNBC is not balanced. Half-truths and omission of key facts are the hallmarks of virtually every media outlet.

You cannot legislate fairness.. for who decides what is fair? Most issues have many angles, not all of which can be covered in a news report. There are dozens of experts to analyze an given story, but only a few can be interviewed. All of this leads to bias, and it is unavoidable.

The solution is media diversity. The more free and diverse the press (constrained by existing laws of course), the more informed the choice viewers can make as to what they believe.

That way, someone can watch MSNBC and FOX, and decide for themselves which point of view they subscribe to.

History has shown that this is the best solution.
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KneelandBobDylan wrote:
SmokingGun wrote:
RATTrules wrote:Fox News still sucks!
Yes, but without them the political landscape would be skewed to an unacceptable degree.

Yes, because we need more half truths and out right lies in our news reporting.
Some of the stuff that asshole Hannity says is downright hate speech!

That Repuke doesn't realize he's only helping Obama get re- elected!
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KneelandBobDylan wrote:
SmokingGun wrote:

Yes, because we need more half truths and out right lies in our news reporting.
Thank God MSNBC is there to give the real story with no bias!

Well, yeah, the truth has a notorious liberal bias. Always has, always will.
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RattRules,

What did Fox lie about? Did they invent news like CBS and MSNBC have done in the past few years to just a few days(MSNBC 3x in the last 2 mos)?
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KneelandBobDylan wrote:
KneelandBobDylan wrote:
SmokingGun wrote:

Yes, because we need more half truths and out right lies in our news reporting.
Thank God MSNBC is there to give the real story with no bias!

Well, yeah, the truth has a notorious liberal bias. Always has, always will.
Wow. Glad to see your mind is open.
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Liquid Boom Boom wrote:RattRules,

What did Fox lie about?
Here is a short list from 2009 - 2010:


Glenn Beck: Less than 10 percent of Obama's Cabinet appointees "have any experience in the private sector." — Politifact Rated False (December 2, 2009)

Steve Doocy: White House Political Director Patrick Gaspard once served as the "right-hand man" for Bertha Lewis, who heads up ACORN. — Politifact Rated False (September 30, 2009)

Gretchen Carlson: Says the Texas State Board of Education is considering eliminating references to Christmas and the Constitution in textbooks. — Politifact Rated Pants on Fire! (March 12, 2010)

Glenn Beck: The Muslim Brotherhood has "openly stated they want to declare war on Israel." — Politifact Rated False (February 15, 2011)

Karl Rove: "American troops have never been under the formal control of another nation." — Politifact Rated False (March 29, 2011)

Brian Kilmeade: Says Gov. Rick Scott's approval ratings are up. — Politifact Rated False (April 15, 2011)

Laura Ingraham: The Massachusetts health care plan is "wildly unpopular" among state residents. — Politifact Rated False (May 16, 2011)

Sarah Palin: "Look at the debt that has been accumulated in the last two years. It's more debt under this president than all those other presidents combined." — Politifact Rated False (June 1, 2011)

Kimberly Guilfoyle: If you log into the government's Cash for Clunkers Web site (cars.gov) from your home computer, the government can "seize all of your personal and private" information, and track your computer activity. — Politifact Rated False (August 3, 2009)

Sarah Palin: "We're going to be looking at $8 billion a day that we're going to be pouring into foreign countries in order to import that make-up fuel that we're going to need to take the place of what we could have gotten out of the gulf." — Politifact Rated Pants on Fire! (June 3, 2011)

Sarah Palin: "Democrats are poised now to cause this largest tax increase in U.S. history." — Politifact Rated Pants on Fire! (August 4, 2010)

Bill O'Reilly: "Attorney General Eric Holder is involved in the dismissal of the criminal charges" against the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation — False (July 23, 2010)

Sarah Palin: "Barack Obama had 150 days in the U.S. Senate where he was able to vote quite often 'present.' " — Politifact Rated False (February 8, 2010)

Glenn Beck: John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population." — Politifact Rated Pants on Fire! (July 29, 2009)

Glenn Beck: Labor union president Andy Stern is "the most frequent visitor" at the White House. — Politifact Rated False (December 7, 2009)

Glenn Beck: "Why do we have automatic citizenship upon birth? We're the only country in the world that has it." — Politifact Rated False (June 19, 2009)

Bill O'Reilly: Says he didn't call Dr. George Tiller a baby killer, as liberal groups charge, but was merely reporting what "some prolifers branded him." — Politifact Rated False (June 5, 2009)

Bill O'Reilly: When White House communications director Anita Dunn said that Mao Tse-tung was "one of her favorite philosophers, only Fox News picked that up." — Politifact Rated False (October 27, 2009)

Bill O'Reilly: "We researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it." — Politifact Rated Pants on Fire! (April 27, 2010)

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels' (December 18, 2009)

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care' (December 16, 2010)
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I have only seen a few clips of Hannity and Beck (many thanks to Jon Stewart Daily Show) and I always thought after every silly assed thing they said Faux should have piped in rim shot....
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And here are just a few of MSNBC lies. If you can't realize it goes both ways you really are lost.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...es-interviews/
"President Bush never did one interview with the New York Times during his entire presidency."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...black-panther/
Fox News "said the New Black Panther Party decided the election for Barack Obama."
"President Bush never did one interview with the New York Times during his entire presidency."

http://www.democrats.com/msnbc-lies-...ss-wiretapping
MSNBC Lies about Warrentless Wiretapping

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...ction-or-apolo
MSNBC Admits: ‘Unable to Verify’ False Limbaugh Quote; No Retraction or Apology

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...#ixzz1IDqnsu7M


http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...sin-state-emp/
Under changes being debated, state employees in Wisconsin "who earn $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 a year might have 20 percent of their income just disappear overnight."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...problem-inher/
With his decision on whether to fire Gen. Stanley McChrystal, President Obama "has to fix yet another problem he inherited from the Bush administration."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...n-bp-pac-and-/
"Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu received almost $1.8 million from BP over the last decade."

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...ve-budget-sur/
"Despite what you may have heard about Wisconsin’s finances, Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year."

Msnbc lies about white gunman at obama speech
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/msnbc-tur

Keith Olbermann lies about SIOA freedom rally against Islamic mega-mosque
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/keith-

Keith Olbermann lies, says Sarah Palin is a socialist and described Alaska that way
http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008242.…

Rachel Maddow lies: Fox had absolutely nothing to do with the Shirley Sherrod story
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/rachel-madd

In Exposing ACORN ‘Lies,’ Maddow Leaves Truth On the Cutting Room Floor
http://bigjournalism.com/sright/2010/04/

Keith Olbermann Lies About Kenneth Gladney Attack
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/20
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Tylamonroe should start a thread about MSNBC.
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Isn't he the businessman who was going to leave the US when 'Obamacare' became law? I wonder where he'll go?
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Danzig in the Dark wrote:Isn't he the businessman who was going to leave the US when 'Obamacare' became law? I wonder where he'll go?
"businessman"? I'm a sales guy who hires a couple of people to answer the phones and stack the catalogs in the garage when I'm on the road.
I'm pretty sure I never said anything like that... It's possible though. I usually only post here when drunk. I think the most butt hurt thing I ever threatened was to start killing everyone with an Obama sticker on their car. Not anything crazy like moving. Why move? Hippies don't have guns. We can still fix this thing.
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tin00can wrote:Tylamonroe should start a thread about MSNBC.
Should we call it "Dykes, they are so Fishy" In honor of sweet ol Rachel?
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tylamonroe wrote:
Danzig in the Dark wrote:Isn't he the businessman who was going to leave the US when 'Obamacare' became law? I wonder where he'll go?
"businessman"? I'm a sales guy who hires a couple of people to answer the phones and stack the catalogs in the garage when I'm on the road.
I'm pretty sure I never said anything like that... It's possible though. I usually only post here when drunk. I think the most butt hurt thing I ever threatened was to start killing everyone with an Obama sticker on their car. Not anything crazy like moving. Why move? Hippies don't have guns. We can still fix this thing.
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Bias - even open bias - isn't really my issue with Fox News. My issue with fox news is theconstant use of rhetorical sophistry that would be called out in a Jr. High debate.

Now all journalists know this technique, and many use it - I've even seen Matt Lauer use this on Today - but it's a question of constancy and degree. For example, when Lauer does it, it's usually done out of delicacy when someone lies or spins to his face and he wishes to essentially re-submit the question without laying out an interview ending "But sir, aren't you full of shit?"

Whereas fox simply does it constantly, to creep editorial thought into their "But we clearly mark this part as news" news shows
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tylamonroe wrote:
tin00can wrote:Tylamonroe should start a thread about MSNBC.
Should we call it "Dykes, they are so Fishy" In honor of sweet ol Rachel?


Yeah, because that's the defining factor about her - that she's a dyke. She's always bringing it up and throwing it in people's faces, and stuff.
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