Question for the undecided/independents/Libertarians, etc..

[Luminiferous]

With the election not too far off do you find yourself leaning towards one candidate or the other yet or is it too early to decide?

Do you view both candidates as actually working for bettering America or merely working on getting elected/re-elected?

Do you pay attention to political attack ads and their content?

Do you find yourself checking Politifact when a candidate makes a claim and does their dishonesty sway you or do you take it as all politicians lie to get elected so this is nothing new or a big deal?

Do they or has a presidential debate ever made your decision in casting your vote for a candidate?

Has the Obama administration attempted to be bi-partisan or has it been too far left in your view?

Has the right attempted to work with the president to your satisfaction?

Do you think Romney was the right/best choice for the GOP this election? If not, who would you have liked to have seen?

What is your main concern that the candidates need to be clear about? Economy, employment, world issues and Middle East (Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc..) concerns and/or taxes?

Does a candidates religious beliefs sway you or is it of no concern?

Do you believe there is a media bias towards the right?

Are you voting this year or are you frustrated at both sides and not swayed towards a third party and have decided to sit this one out as we're screwed either way?

[brotherplanet]

With the election not too far off do you find yourself leaning towards one candidate or the other yet or is it too early to decide?

Do you view both candidates as actually working for bettering America or merely working on getting elected/re-elected?
elected/re-elected?

Do you pay attention to political attack ads and their content?
No.

Do you find yourself checking Politifact when a candidate makes a claim and does their dishonesty sway you or do you take it as all politicians lie to get elected so this is nothing new or a big deal?
Nothing new.

Do they or has a presidential debate ever made your decision in casting your vote for a candidate?
No, but if I wanted to vote for one of these two guys this last debate would make me think Romney is the stronger man.

Has the Obama administration attempted to be bi-partisan or has it been too far left in your view?
Depended on the situation.

Has the right attempted to work with the president to your satisfaction?
Not really.

Do you think Romney was the right/best choice for the GOP this election? If not, who would you have liked to have seen?
Not sure. They all seem to fall when looked at too closely.

What is your main concern that the candidates need to be clear about? Economy, employment, world issues and Middle East (Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc..) concerns and/or taxes?
All of it.

Does a candidates religious beliefs sway you or is it of no concern?
Nope.

Do you believe there is a media bias towards the right?
The Right has FoxNews, the Left has eveyone else.

Are you voting this year or are you frustrated at both sides and not swayed towards a third party and have decided to sit this one out as we're screwed either way?
Might sit it out. Obama is going to win my state no matter what I do, so I might as well vote for Mickey Mouse, who would probably be a better president.

[Crazy Levi]

Theres nothing I hate more politically than right wingers like birtherplanet who pretend to be "independent."


Why do they do it?

[brotherplanet]

Theres nothing I hate more politically than right wingers like birtherplanet who pretend to be "independent."


Why do they do it?

Show me a post I made that makes you think I'm a right winger and also explain why I voted for Obama the last time.

[DEATH ROW JOE]

Show me a post I made that makes you think I'm a right winger and also explain why I voted for Obama the last time.

You voted for Obama last time because the Republicans lost two wars and tanked the global economy. On top of that, McCain had one foot in the grave and Palin could not even name a newspaper.

Why does everyone think you are a right winger?
1) you are a birther
2) you post cherry picked economic data to distort Obama's record ("gas prices have doubled under Obama", "unemployment higher than when he took office", etc)
3)as soon as bad news breaks regarding Obama administration you post the article and the source is usually Fox or a far right source
4) you're stupid

[brotherplanet]

Show me a post I made that makes you think I'm a right winger and also explain why I voted for Obama the last time.

You voted for Obama last time because the Republicans lost two wars and tanked the global economy. On top of that, McCain had one foot in the grave and Palin could not even name a newspaper.

Why does everyone think you are a right winger?
1) you are a birther
2) you post cherry picked economic data to distort Obama's record ("gas prices have doubled under Obama", "unemployment higher than when he took office", etc)
3)as soon as bad news breaks regarding Obama administration you post the article and the source is usually Fox or a far right source
4) you're stupid

And yet I've also made numerous anti-Romney comments. A lot of my posts have also involved CBS news and CNN, all of which you must overlook in order to make your point.

I am not a birther. The layering of the pdf birth certificate was questionable.

I voted for Obama the last time because he was the better candidate. Everything you wrote about why I voted for Obama is something you made up since I have never once explained the why of how I choose a candidate.

Why did I not vote for Bush 41 when he went up against Clinton?


You still have nothing.

If the weather is nice where you are today might I suggest you go out and see something you've obviously been avoiding for the last eight months. It's called the Sun.

Please go here and answer this question.... viewtopic.php?f=4&t=278171

[Danzig in the Dark]

I voted for Obama the last time because he was the better candidate. Everything you wrote about why I voted for Obama is something you made up since I have never once explained the why of how I choose a candidate.

How do you choose a candidate?

[brotherplanet]

I voted for Obama the last time because he was the better candidate. Everything you wrote about why I voted for Obama is something you made up since I have never once explained the why of how I choose a candidate.

How do you choose a candidate?

Easy. The person I agree with the most.



I would like to add... The reason I do post all the negative shit about Obama is because he's actually the President. By the same token I have mocked Romney, but you can't mock a guy for being a bad President when he's never been the President.

[Danzig in the Dark]

I voted for Obama the last time because he was the better candidate. Everything you wrote about why I voted for Obama is something you made up since I have never once explained the why of how I choose a candidate.

How do you choose a candidate?

Easy. The person I agree with the most.



I would like to add... The reason I do post all the negative shit about Obama is because he's actually the President. By the same token I have mocked Romney, but you can't mock a guy for being a bad President when he's never been the President.

You can extrapolate from his performance in his previous positions. In most Presidential elections, excepting 1892, at least one of the guys was never president.

[brotherplanet]

True, but also keep in mind I have bitched over the fact that Romney said if he was President he would have also signed the NDAA, and that leads me to believe he would have also extended the Patriot Act. He's also kowtowing to the extreme right and I believe I've said on this board that I don't want someone like that nominating the next Supreme Court Justice.

But you can't expect me to blast him the way I've blasted someone who's actually been president for four years, who I also feel is doing a pretty crappy job. It also took a little over two years before I started feeling this way about Obama.

I'm a moderate. There are things on both sides of the fence I agree with, but I also believe the people in power on both sides of the fence are completely full of shit.

I read an article once (I don't have the link). It said that people in positions of power don't become corrupt, but rather corrupt people want positions of power. Politics attracts a certain type of person.

That made perfect sense to me. I always thought that those of us who don't feel the need to control people rarely seek positions where we can control people.

And lets say an honest person does get into politics. It's only a matter of time before that person is corrupted. They don't have a choice. They owe too many favors to the big donors.

[Danzig in the Dark]

True, but also keep in mind I have bitched over the fact that Romney said if he was President he would have also signed the NDAA, and that leads me to believe he would have also extended the Patriot Act. He's also kowtowing to the extreme right and I believe I've said on this board that I don't want someone like that nominating the next Supreme Court Justice.

But you can't expect me to blast him the way I've blasted someone who's actually been president for four years, who I also feel is doing a pretty crappy job. It also took a little over two years before I started feeling this way about Obama.

I'm a moderate. There are things on both sides of the fence I agree with, but I also believe the people in power on both sides of the fence are completely full of shit.

Romney has been in various leadership roles which he has offered as evidence of his fitness and expertise. If you can't evaluate his previous performance and extrapolate it to his possible performance in the White House, you have no business voting anyway.

I read an article once (I don't have the link). It said that people in positions of power don't become corrupt, but rather corrupt people want positions of power. Politics attracts a certain type of person.

That made perfect sense to me. I always thought that those of us who don't feel the need to control people rarely seek positions where we can control people.

And lets say an honest person does get into politics. It's only a matter of time before that person is corrupted. They don't have a choice. They owe too many favors to the big donors.

That's a rationalization the corrupt use to justify their corruption.

[Luminiferous]

With the election not too far off do you find yourself leaning towards one candidate or the other yet or is it too early to decide?

It's early yet, but I find myself leaning to neither side at this time..

Do you view both candidates as actually working for bettering America or merely working on getting elected/re-elected?

I think they BELIEVE they are, it's just too damn bad that neither side in Washington seems to want to work to fix the situation and are too busy slamming each other's dicks in the door..
The American people are pretty much held hostage with what I view as the WORST congress and senate in the history I can recall with neither side worried at all about the people and more worried about re-elections and kickbacks from the major corps who's pockets they're in..

Do you pay attention to political attack ads and their content?

Not really... Not as far as deciding my vote, but I do get a chuckle out of some of them.

Do you find yourself checking Politifact when a candidate makes a claim and does their dishonesty sway you or do you take it as all politicians lie to get elected so this is nothing new or a big deal?

Actually I do fact check much more these days and while most politicians aren't always on the level, I at least like to see who spreads it on the thinnest.. even it's for mere entertainment.

Do they or has a presidential debate ever made your decision in casting your vote for a candidate?

Never watched one. To me they're kind of like a Patriots/Ravens game.. I don't like either team and refuse to watch..

Has the Obama administration attempted to be bi-partisan or has it been too far left in your view?

I think he has done a more than try on many occasions, but when you have the head of the Republitards proclaiming "Our No. 1 priority is to make this president a one-term president,” I don't see much in the way of bi-partisanship in the view of helping the country except their own parties ideas.
I find it funny when some completely ignore the things Obama has accomplished in his four years, (I for one, applauded the Credit card reform, they were in need of major change, especially during a recession) but if it doesn't effect them directly, they're quick to say "He ain't did shit fer four years!"

Has the right attempted to work with the president to your satisfaction?

For the most part? No. Not at all. Between McConnell and even McCain who said "There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year" because they were pissed at the healthcare bill passing. Understood, but to hold it against the American people? Come fucking on..
While the left hasn't been perfect, I've yet to hear anyone claim they're not going to cooperate or if Romney's elected making sure he's a one term president.

Do you think Romney was the right/best choice for the GOP this election? If not, who would you have liked to have seen?

I believe the choice of Romney was not the best choice. I'm still dumbfounded at the GOP having four years to find a person to make Obama a "one term president" and the best they could come up with in the running were Santorum, Bachmann, Gingrich and Perry with Mittens outspending the rest to get it? Shiiiit..

What is your main concern that the candidates need to be clear about? Economy, employment, world issues and Middle East (Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc..) concerns and/or taxes?

I would say all of them, but I believe our #1 priority is getting America back to work and fixing the economy..

Does a candidates religious beliefs sway you or is it of no concern?

In a way yes. I have no issue with a person having religious values, whatever makes your happiness on this earth during our limited time in it, but I do NOT believe anyone's religious beliefs need to be making the decisions to pass laws that are clear discrimination. (Gay marriage, contraception and abortion, particularly in rape and incest victims)
I want to clarify, I am Pro-choice, but I do not believe abortion should be used as a constant form of birth control. There are plenty of loving couples, almost 1.5-2 million Americans, who cannot conceive who would be happy to adopt a child.

Do you believe there is a media bias towards the right?

No I do not. Not in every facet. Yes there are the MSNBC's and their like, just like there is Faux News and plenty of wannabe Limbaugh's out there.
Sadly nowadays many people seem to believe that a media outlet should parade out the most negative news in a president or a political party every day for the entire 30-60 minute segment or they're somehow "biased" towards the 'other side.'

Are you voting this year or are you frustrated at both sides and not swayed towards a third party and have decided to sit this one out as we're screwed either way?

Right now... at this moment I'm not planning on voting. The third party choice is not someone I'd waste my vote on and Mittens and Ryan I don't have any faith in and without a more Clintonesque approach, I'm not seeing Obama being able to fix the things that should be fixed first..
Still Nov 6th is a ways away, never know what might change....

[MotleyMaiden]

So Lumi, I am curious about something. Why wouldn't you vote for Obama? is sounds like you think he has done some good this term and you acknowledge that the republicans have been more of a hindrance than a help these last 4 years. You also admit that Romney is a poor choice overall, so why not vote for Obama? Over all you are obviously well informed and apparently care. So what is the point of NOT voting, esp if it is not a case of that you hate Obama and think he is a horrible choice.
Personally, I think if he gets re-elected since the whole "let's make sure he is a one term president only" reason is gone, the republicans will be a little bit more cooperative. At least I hope so.

I admit, I don't agree with everything Obama has done. The drone attacks that are being carried out in Pakistan esp give me heartburn.

[absolutely fabulous]

i support pro-choice of voting.

your vote is yours whether you choose to vote or who you vote for.

[Inessence]

I despise all high-profile politicians. They are all malignant narcissists.

[absolutely fabulous]

I despise all high-profile politicians. They are all malignant narcissists.

who would you want to run for presidency?




(i'm thinkin on my answer...)

[TheMightyMaiden]

brotherplanet actually sounds pretty logical in this thread. I really don't know why anyone has a problem with what he's saying in here.

[SeminiferousButtNoid]

With the election not too far off do you find yourself leaning towards one candidate or the other yet or is it too early to decide?

I decided on Gary Johnson long ago.

Do you view both candidates as actually working for bettering America or merely working on getting elected/re-elected?

All American political ideologies proclaim to be better for America, so usually candidates who are running for President think they can "better" the country. That's not to say that President Obama or Romney don't care about getting elected/re-elected, but that's not their primary concern. If Rod Blagojevich were running, it would be a different story.

Do you pay attention to political attack ads and their content?

No, and the contention that they have much effect on an election is ludicrous.

Do you find yourself checking Politifact when a candidate makes a claim and does their dishonesty sway you or do you take it as all politicians lie to get elected so this is nothing new or a big deal?

No, sites like Politifact more often than not "fact check" opinion and masquerade as some dispositive gavel on issues. And journalists are supposed to factcheck their subjects themselves.

Do they or has a presidential debate ever made your decision in casting your vote for a candidate?

No, because they aren't really debates. Even this last VP debate, which was better than most, had serious flaws.

Has the Obama administration attempted to be bi-partisan or has it been too far left in your view?

Obama's progressivism disappeared once he was inaugurated. His economic policy has reflected the typical neo-Keynesianism of his advisors and he has been equal or to the right of George W Bush on foreign policy and civil liberties. On social issues he tows the standard Democratic Party line.

And they really have been bi-partisan. That's why no one from Wall Street has been prosecuted. That's why we still have a bellicose and immoral foreign policy. That's why the prisoners at Gitmo are still imprisoned with not only no trial but without being charged. That's why the Patriot Act and NDAA get re-upped and government whistleblowers are aggressively prosecuted.
They're plenty bi-partisan.

Has the right attempted to work with the president to your satisfaction?

No, and it isn't because they are "far right" either.

Do you think Romney was the right/best choice for the GOP this election? If not, who would you have liked to have seen?

No. I voted for Ron Paul in the Texas primary, but he wouldn't have been the best choice either. And even though I'm voting for Gary Johnson, I'm not ecstatic about it.

What is your main concern that the candidates need to be clear about? Economy, employment, world issues and Middle East (Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc..) concerns and/or taxes?

The economy is important but it's covered plenty. There are other issues that are important that the candidates need to interrogated about, including issues they both agree on but won't acknowledge.

Does a candidates religious beliefs sway you or is it of no concern?

No, and a litmus test for religion has been traditionally looked down upon in American political theory, although in practice that's not always the case. That's why it took almost 200 years for a Catholic to be voted President, and that's why there is a ridiculous fear that our current President is some kind of crypto-Muslim in small strains around the country.

Do you believe there is a media bias towards the right?

The media are biased towards power. They worship politicians, and their game is to see who can get access and prop up that power. It's what Columbia University Journalism Professor Jay Rosen calls the "Church of The Savvy"

Are you voting this year or are you frustrated at both sides and not swayed towards a third party and have decided to sit this one out as we're screwed either way?

I always vote. Not voting out of some trite notion of being ineffectual is cynical to the extreme.

[brotherplanet]

brotherplanet actually sounds pretty logical in this thread. I really don't know why anyone has a problem with what he's saying in here.

Because I don't kiss Obama's ass and I don't like him, therefore they have to act like I'm a Republican. After all, you have to be one or the other and therefor they must attack everything I say and ignore when I agree with them on a subject.

[brotherplanet]

True, but also keep in mind I have bitched over the fact that Romney said if he was President he would have also signed the NDAA, and that leads me to believe he would have also extended the Patriot Act. He's also kowtowing to the extreme right and I believe I've said on this board that I don't want someone like that nominating the next Supreme Court Justice.

But you can't expect me to blast him the way I've blasted someone who's actually been president for four years, who I also feel is doing a pretty crappy job. It also took a little over two years before I started feeling this way about Obama.

I'm a moderate. There are things on both sides of the fence I agree with, but I also believe the people in power on both sides of the fence are completely full of shit.

Romney has been in various leadership roles which he has offered as evidence of his fitness and expertise. If you can't evaluate his previous performance and extrapolate it to his possible performance in the White House, you have no business voting anyway.

I read an article once (I don't have the link). It said that people in positions of power don't become corrupt, but rather corrupt people want positions of power. Politics attracts a certain type of person.

That made perfect sense to me. I always thought that those of us who don't feel the need to control people rarely seek positions where we can control people.

And lets say an honest person does get into politics. It's only a matter of time before that person is corrupted. They don't have a choice. They owe too many favors to the big donors.

That's a rationalization the corrupt use to justify their corruption.

Explaining motivation behind corruption is not the same as rationalizing corruption.

[Tommy2Tone84]

Do you view both candidates as actually working for bettering America or merely working on getting elected/re-elected?

I think Obama did initially. Now he seems like he might be disillusioned with Washington.

Do you pay attention to political attack ads and their content?

No

Do you find yourself checking Politifact when a candidate makes a claim and does their dishonesty sway you or do you take it as all politicians lie to get elected so this is nothing new or a big deal?

Nothing new but I also think some politicians take shit out of context to make their opponent look bad. Romney did an beautiful job of that last week. I haven't been on PF in a while

Do they or has a presidential debate ever made your decision in casting your vote for a candidate?

Yes, I liked a lot of what Obama said in the Democratic primaries

Has the Obama administration attempted to be bi-partisan or has it been too far left in your view?

It went out of it's way to be bi-partisan in the beginning.

The Right in this country is so fucked up. Somehow "Obamacare" is a hostile, government take over but when Romney did it at the State level, it wasn't. I think Bob Dole even had a similar plan for nationalized health care back in the 90s.

The Right just need to fuck off at this point, and let the Left run the country until they have purged themselves of the Tea Party.

Has the right attempted to work with the president to your satisfaction?

No, Boehner, McConnell, Ron Paul, Paul Ryan, all those guys are assholes and dubious at best.

Do you think Romney was the right/best choice for the GOP this election? If not, who would you have liked to have seen?

No, honestly the GOP has moved so far to the right the last 16-18 years, I don't even recognize it.

What is your main concern that the candidates need to be clear about? Economy, employment, world issues and Middle East (Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc..) concerns and/or taxes?

All that shit is important to varying degrees.

Does a candidates religious beliefs sway you or is it of no concern?

Not really but sometimes it is of concern. Still, not much we can do about it. Our country was founded on religious freedoms.

Do you believe there is a media bias towards the right?

Mostly, the big liberal bias hasn't had traction since the 60s and 70s. With that generation dying out and Fox News successfully marginalizing them, they are impotent at best.

Are you voting this year or are you frustrated at both sides and not swayed towards a third party and have decided to sit this one out as we're screwed either way?

I am voting and while I have my issues with the Left, I'm mostly frustrated with the Right. They are fucking crazy and not in a good way. I hate the Tea Party and always have.

[HeavyMetalZombie666]

With the election not too far off do you find yourself leaning towards one candidate or the other yet or is it too early to decide?

Do you view both candidates as actually working for bettering America or merely working on getting elected/re-elected?

Do you pay attention to political attack ads and their content?

Do you find yourself checking Politifact when a candidate makes a claim and does their dishonesty sway you or do you take it as all politicians lie to get elected so this is nothing new or a big deal?

Do they or has a presidential debate ever made your decision in casting your vote for a candidate?

Has the Obama administration attempted to be bi-partisan or has it been too far left in your view?

Has the right attempted to work with the president to your satisfaction?

Do you think Romney was the right/best choice for the GOP this election? If not, who would you have liked to have seen?

What is your main concern that the candidates need to be clear about? Economy, employment, world issues and Middle East (Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc..) concerns and/or taxes?

Does a candidates religious beliefs sway you or is it of no concern?

Do you believe there is a media bias towards the right?

Are you voting this year or are you frustrated at both sides and not swayed towards a third party and have decided to sit this one out as we're screwed either way?

With the election not too far off do you find yourself leaning towards one candidate or the other yet or is it too early to decide?
I am going for Romney.


Do you view both candidates as actually working for bettering America or merely working on getting elected/re-elected? ROmney is the only one right now doing so. If Gary Johnson was strong enough I would vote for him. He has good ideas too.

Do you pay attention to political attack ads and their content? Yes I do.

Do you find yourself checking Politifact when a candidate makes a claim and does their dishonesty sway you or do you take it as all politicians lie to get elected so this is nothing new or a big deal? yes i do.

Do they or has a presidential debate ever made your decision in casting your vote for a candidate?
occassionally.

Has the Obama administration attempted to be bi-partisan or has it been too far left in your view? it has been far left from the beginning.

Has the right attempted to work with the president to your satisfaction?
It can't be done when Obama is too far out there.


Do you think Romney was the right/best choice for the GOP this election? If not, who would you have liked to have seen? A little bit.

What is your main concern that the candidates need to be clear about? Economy, employment, world issues and Middle East (Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc..) concerns and/or taxes? All those issues.

Does a candidates religious beliefs sway you or is it of no concern? It depends how they use them.

Do you believe there is a media bias towards the right? oh of course.

Are you voting this year or are you frustrated at both sides and not swayed towards a third party and have decided to sit this one out as we're screwed either way? I am voting this year and it will be for Romney.

[Luminiferous]

It's abundantly clear from your posts on here that you are a far right Republican, so why did you feel the need to answer this poll as well as the other one?