OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012

[Dr J Jones]

and dumber...

http://youtu.be/Bg98BvqUvCc

[Dr J Jones]

[Dr J Jones]

http://youtu.be/0QlOWd2Afok

[Turner Coates]

http://youtu.be/6x5wCxxUX7M


Dumb

How is he "dumb"?
Please give some examples.
Can you express it in your own words, without posting a link to the thoughts and words of someone else?
If you can't, I know the reason why.

[Dr J Jones]

I'll let HIS words speak for themselves.



"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009



"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008


"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008



"How's it going, Sunshine?" --while campaigning in Sunrise, Florida


"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon


"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania


"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."


"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference


"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people


"We're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you're providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy." —on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010



These are all things you'd expect to hear out of that other dumb fuck George Bush's mouth. But no..these came from a guy who allegedly has a college education.

[Dr J Jones]

These stupid remarks are unpresidential to say the least. Did Eisenhower or Truman speak like this?

[Turner Coates]

I'll let HIS words speak for themselves.

I was asking for YOUR personal thoughts on the matter.
Never mind. I understand. Copying and pasting is much easier than thought formulation, isn't it?

[DEATH ROW JOE]

Ron Paul does NOT want a complete ban on abortion. He wants it at the state level. Which means there would be options, since the only states that would vote in favour of it would obviously be the Bible Belt states.

He wants state and local govt to have the power to regulate all forms of birth control.

Secondly, RP has spent his LIFE championing most of the US Constitution.

No he hasn't. He champions his misinterpretation of the Constitution.

So fucking what if he disagrees with the 14th & 16th Amendments?

LMFAO, the Bill of Rights only applies to state and local govt because of the 14th Amendment. You can not be a libertarian and not support the 14th Amendment. Repealing the 16th does not take away federal govt's power to tax income. He does not understand the 16th Amendment so his position on it is irrelevant.

And as far as the 17th is concerned, your point doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. Ron Paul wants Senators selected by state legislatures rather than the popular vote. He believes the 17th took away power from the states Yet one more position he shares with the John Birch Society.

John Birch Society =February 2011 - Yearly Report
http://www.jbs.org/from-the-ceo/ceo-feb ... rly-report

From the very beginning of our nation’s acceptance of the Constitution, the conspiracy has been using people who usually did not completely comprehend what they were doing in order to steadily move our country to where we can be placed into what they call the New World Order. This has not been done overnight; it evolved over time, with the states taking powers away from the counties by 1830 and the counties becoming nothing much more than minions of the state. This consolidation of power continued with the federal government taking powers away from the states and converting what was a federal system into a national system. This conversion occurred as a result of the Civil War and, later, the 17th Amendment.

And lastly, RP has ALWAYS believed in gay marriage rights.

No he doesn't. He says govt should not regulate marriage. Supporting gay marriage rights means state govt should not have the power to discriminate against same sex couples when granting marriage licenses. He supports state's rights so he can't possibly support gay marriage.

[DEATH ROW JOE]

Did Eisenhower or Truman speak like this?

yes.

[Dr J Jones]

I'll let HIS words speak for themselves.

I was asking for YOUR personal thoughts on the matter.
Never mind. I understand. Copying and pasting is much easier than thought formulation, isn't it?

I consider it being efficient.

[Dr J Jones]

Did Eisenhower or Truman speak like this?

yes.

ok..whatever you say joe

[Dr J Jones]

[Turner Coates]

I'll let HIS words speak for themselves.

I was asking for YOUR personal thoughts on the matter.
Never mind. I understand. Copying and pasting is much easier than thought formulation, isn't it?

I consider it being efficient.

I consider it being a camp follower with no true convictions.
To each, their reach.

[Dr J Jones]

INEPTOCRACY: A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or to succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.


OBAMA 2012!

[Dr J Jones]

[Dr J Jones]

[DEATH ROW JOE]

Who Pays Taxes?
http://www.hamiltonproject.org/papers/t ... pays_them/
A popular myth swirling around Washington, DC, and throughout the media these days is that many Americans do not pay taxes, and are therefore free-riding off of our society without contributing themselves. This has even been referred to by some as a “new orthodoxy.” The origin of this misconception is the observation that only about 54 percent of American households paid federal income taxes during recession-affected 2011. But that statistic is misleading because it provides an incomplete picture of the overall tax burden on American families, and because it incorporates individuals who naturally shouldn’t be paying taxes because of their age or economic circumstances due to the Recession. A closer look reveals that nearly all Americans do, in fact, pay taxes.

To help illustrate this point, let’s start with some basic fiscal background. Over the last two decades, tax credits for low-income working families with children, like the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and the Child Tax Credit (CTC), have indeed decreased the number of American households paying federal income taxes. These credits reduce or eliminate income tax liabilities and sometimes result in a net income tax refund for low-income families.

But these credits are also an important component of the progressive tax system that help offset the burden of other taxes and raise poor working families out of poverty. Credits like the EITC and CTC have helped to reduce poverty, provide economic security, and offset declining labor-market opportunities for low-income workers. The EITC alone is responsible for raising 6.6 million children out of poverty. Perhaps most importantly, these credits expand the number of people contributing to the economy by causing many additional Americans to participate in the labor force and causing others to work more hours.

While this helps explain the declining number of low income families paying federal income tax, it does not address one key point: federal income taxes are only one component of the broader federal, state, and local tax system, and only one way in which Americans are able to contribute their fair share through taxes. Indeed, while some families do not pay federal income taxes, these households do pay other forms of taxes. Those who focus exclusively on the federal income tax ignore one of the most significant federal tax burdens on workers—the payroll tax. In fact, most Americans pay more in payroll taxes than in income taxes.

As shown in the figure below, after incorporating payroll taxes, the proportion of American households who paid federal taxes in 2007, a non-recession year, jumps to 78 percent.



But, when we take the data a step further, even this statistic is misleading because it counts older households, who are often retirees, and young individuals, even if they are still in school. In fact, many households with no tax liability are young or old, meaning that they are likely to be led by students who subsequently will pay taxes or retirees who paid taxes over their lifetimes. The figure below illustrates the relationship between age and the odds of paying payroll and income taxes. The graph makes clear that younger individuals—those in their late teens and early 20s—pay taxes at relatively low rates, but that is largely because they are in school and not working. But as they get older and find jobs, the evidence suggests that they will pay taxes. Similarly, after age 60, when more and more Americans are retiring and leaving the labor force, the fraction paying taxes falls rapidly. These retirees have certainly contributed to America’s revenue stream over their lifetimes. To this point, as the U.S. population ages into the future and a greater proportion of Americans reach the retirement age, it is inevitable that a growing percentage of the overall population will pay no income or payroll taxes.



But during middle age, almost all workers face a tax burden. When looking at those in middle-age, 84 percent faced a net payroll and income tax bill in 2007. This general theme also holds true for low-income households: even households that receive the child-related EITC generally only receive it temporarily, usually when their children are young. On net, even these families face a positive tax bill over time (Dowd and Horowitz 2008).

Furthermore, rising unemployment during the Great Recession has meant that the proportion of American families paying no federal taxes is unusually large today. Unemployed workers without incomes naturally don’t face tax liabilities. But as they find jobs and rejoin the labor force, they will once again contribute to the federal system. Indeed, some of the trends we see today are less illustrative of an unfair tax advantage for the poor; rather, the trends indicate the existence of a group of unfortunate families who have found themselves affected by hard times. And young people today have been particularly hard hit: many are unemployed or weathering the storm in graduate schools, meaning that they are, thus, not paying taxes. When looking more specifically at middle-aged workers with jobs, 96 percent paid federal income or payroll taxes.

[Dr J Jones]

These people get to vote...


http://youtu.be/e_JJLLfTR8I

[Turner Coates]

These people get to vote...


http://youtu.be/e_JJLLfTR8I

*PLONK*
Ah, that's better.

[Danzig in the Dark]

These people get to vote...


http://youtu.be/e_JJLLfTR8I

I'm disgusted you get to vote. Your ignorance and sheer willful stupidity astound me. You do not even bother to do enough research to even be poorly informed.

[Dr J Jones]

These people get to vote...


http://youtu.be/e_JJLLfTR8I

I'm disgusted you get to vote. Your ignorance and sheer willful stupidity astound me. You do not even bother to do enough research to even be poorly informed.

Thanks Joe!

[Moggio]

Ron Paul does NOT want a complete ban on abortion. He wants it at the state level. Which means there would be options, since the only states that would vote in favour of it would obviously be the Bible Belt states.

He wants state and local govt to have the power to regulate all forms of birth control.

How does that detract from ANYTHING I've stated?

Secondly, RP has spent his LIFE championing most of the US Constitution.

No he hasn't.

Yes, he has, moron. And probably more than ANY politician in US history.

He champions his misinterpretation of the Constitution.

You wouldn't know Ron Paul's political platform from a hole in the wall.

So fucking what if he disagrees with the 14th & 16th Amendments?

LMFAO, the Bill of Rights only applies to state and local govt because of the 14th Amendment. You can not be a libertarian and not support the 14th Amendment.

It's BEYOND obviously he doesn't disagree with ALL of the 14th Amendment, moron. It's comprised of SEVERAL sections. Read it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth ... nstitution

Repealing the 16th does not take away federal govt's power to tax income.

Where did Ron Paul or I state that it does?

He does not understand the 16th Amendment so his position on it is irrelevant.

Ron Paul was championing the US Constitution before you were even in diapers, genius.

And as far as the 17th is concerned, your point doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. Ron Paul wants Senators selected by state legislatures rather than the popular vote. He believes the 17th took away power from the states Yet one more position he shares with the John Birch Society.

John Birch Society =February 2011 - Yearly Report
http://www.jbs.org/from-the-ceo/ceo-feb ... rly-report

From the very beginning of our nation’s acceptance of the Constitution, the conspiracy has been using people who usually did not completely comprehend what they were doing in order to steadily move our country to where we can be placed into what they call the New World Order. This has not been done overnight; it evolved over time, with the states taking powers away from the counties by 1830 and the counties becoming nothing much more than minions of the state. This consolidation of power continued with the federal government taking powers away from the states and converting what was a federal system into a national system. This conversion occurred as a result of the Civil War and, later, the 17th Amendment.

My point was that he can STILL support the US Constitution and disagree with PARTS of it. There's NOTHING wrong with that.

And lastly, RP has ALWAYS believed in gay marriage rights.

No he doesn't. He says govt should not regulate marriage. Supporting gay marriage rights means state govt should not have the power to discriminate against same sex couples when granting marriage licenses. He supports state's rights so he can't possibly support gay marriage.

Wrong AGAIN. You're implying he wants EVERYTHING at the state level, but that's not true. Ron Paul believes in gay marriage rights. AND ONCE AGAIN, you don't know Ron Paul's platform from a hole in the wall. You'd better watch this in-depth interview and educate yourself, moron:

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJz81lAwY0M

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3CTT7Hw4s

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S7p0dICNdM

Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVo9PapqYF0

Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyeb7iMArM

Part 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qra1bUiLsP4


Now, fuck off and stop making me CONSTANTLY OWN YOU.

[Luminiferous]

These people get to vote...


http://youtu.be/e_JJLLfTR8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC2OtFvo8x0

[Dr J Jones]

These people get to vote...


http://youtu.be/e_JJLLfTR8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC2OtFvo8x0

yee haw!

[Turner Coates]

Secondly, RP has spent his LIFE championing most of the US Constitution.

No he hasn't.

Yes, he has, moron. And probably more than ANY politician in US history.

"Probably"?
Where did you study American history, besides surfing the internet?
Exactly where does your self-professed "knowledge" of American Studies come from? I don't really get a "college educated" vibe from you.
Answer or consider yourself OWNED once again.
I fully expect you to skirt the questions.

[Moggio]

Yes, he has, moron. And probably more than ANY politician in US history.

"Probably"?
Where did you study American history, besides surfing the internet?
Exactly where does your self-professed "knowledge" of American Studies come from? I don't really get a "college educated" vibe from you.
Answer or consider yourself OWNED once again.
I fully expect you to skirt the questions.

Yes, PROBABLY. When the FUCK have I EVER skirted the issue, you hypocritical douche-bag? You do know that Ron Paul is 77 years old, correct? And hence PROBABLY MORE than any other politician in US history.


And the day you OWN me is the day pigs can fly!

[Turner Coates]

When the FUCK have I EVER skirted the issue, you hypocritical douche-bag?

You are skirting my question right here and now.
Once again, I ask, where did you get your education in American History?
Am I asking you a question that you are unable to answer directly?
It think that I am.
Prove me wrong, if you are able.

[Turner Coates]

[RATTdrools]

The wheels are falling off the Romney campaign. Even conservatives Bill Kristol and David Brooks just ripped him on how inept his campaign is!

Romney has insulted half the nation calling them irrelevant! He's too stupid to realize there are 4,000 millionaires in that group and many religious nuts who may otherwise vote for Vomit!

[Dr J Jones]