Violence against politicians

[JakeYonkel]

Surprised this didn't get talked about last night. Democrats getting phone threats, a Republican Rep. had a bullet fired at his office...

What the fuck is with people???

[bane]

This shit is weird isn't it? I can't remember the country ever being this collectively pissed off and divided, at least not in my life time. Pretty scary shit if you ask me. I think most of the blame can be placed on the information explosion. Political talk shows etc. have exploded in the past decade or so, with shock jocks stirring the pot in the name of ratings with no thought to the consequences. People are screaming to the rafters about things they don't even understand and reacting from a purely emotional place. The amount of misinformation and propaganda that people actually buy into is staggering. I don't see any way to stop it though. You can't trust anybody. Nobody is telling us the truth. It's all slanted toward whatever ideology that particular source supports.

[Crazy Levi]

Surprised this didn't get talked about last night. Democrats getting phone threats, a Republican Rep. had a bullet fired at his office...

What the fuck is with people???

This is all bush league...I really don't see the big deal.

It's not like anybody has been assisnated, and that has happened plenty of times before. It's not like there's some new anti-politician revolution going on because a couple of nutbags threw bricks into office windows.

Also, Anthony Wiener, the bright Dem congressman from New York who owned a slimy lying republican bastard last week who brought a hoax Dem memo into the debate and claimed it was real, received a threatening letter with white powder in it last night.

But like I said, we've seen far worse in this country, this really isn't any big deal.

[thejuggernaut]

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often and with more severity.

Not that you want something to happen, because most of these people have families, but if something serious were to happen to a few on either side, they might start giving a shit about you.

In fact, if only both sides could unite and storm Washington, you could easily take it over.

[Crazy Levi]

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often and with more severity.

Not that you want something to happen, because most of these people have families, but if something serious were to happen to a few on either side, they might start giving a shit about you.

In fact, if only both sides could unite and storm Washington, you could easily take it over.

LOL at the big scary Canadian talking shit.

You pussies couldn't "take over" a moose lodge.

[bane]

Surprised this didn't get talked about last night. Democrats getting phone threats, a Republican Rep. had a bullet fired at his office...

What the fuck is with people???

This is all bush league...I really don't see the big deal.

It's not like anybody has been assisnated, and that has happened plenty of times before. It's not like there's some new anti-politician revolution going on because a couple of nutbags threw bricks into office windows.

Also, Anthony Wiener, the bright Dem congressman from New York who owned a slimy lying republican bastard last week who brought a hoax Dem memo into the debate and claimed it was real, received a threatening letter with white powder in it last night.

But like I said, we've seen far worse in this country, this really isn't any big deal.

Not recently. When was the last time it was this bad? The 60's?

[Crazy Levi]

Surprised this didn't get talked about last night. Democrats getting phone threats, a Republican Rep. had a bullet fired at his office...

What the fuck is with people???

This is all bush league...I really don't see the big deal.

It's not like anybody has been assisnated, and that has happened plenty of times before. It's not like there's some new anti-politician revolution going on because a couple of nutbags threw bricks into office windows.

Also, Anthony Wiener, the bright Dem congressman from New York who owned a slimy lying republican bastard last week who brought a hoax Dem memo into the debate and claimed it was real, received a threatening letter with white powder in it last night.

But like I said, we've seen far worse in this country, this really isn't any big deal.

Not recently. When was the last time it was this bad? The 60's?

I remember someone trying to kill the President as recently as 1981.

But yes, I'll cede you that there seems to be more of it than usual. Still, a couple broken windows and a hoax anthrax scare doesn't mean much to me.

[JakeYonkel]

Keep in mind I'm SURE there have been assassination attempts since Reagan that we just don't know about, on every President. Just because it was done out in the open, and partially succesful (he DID get him, he just didn't die) doesn't mean it hasn't happened since.

I guess this is the same mentality as those lunatic European soccer fans that flip over cars and set shit on fire because their teams win or lose. I don't understand getting so riled up about something you're going to mail fake anthrax, leave death threat messages, fire bullets at offices, throw bricks through windows... I just don't get it.

Now granted I can understand the difference in politics and sports, since what these politicians are doing ARE affecting us whereas sports ultimately don't, but still.. calm the hell down.

[thejuggernaut]

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often and with more severity.

Not that you want something to happen, because most of these people have families, but if something serious were to happen to a few on either side, they might start giving a shit about you.

In fact, if only both sides could unite and storm Washington, you could easily take it over.

LOL at the big scary Canadian talking shit.

You pussies couldn't "take over" a moose lodge.

Then it's a good thing I wasn't talking about us taking over anything.

[Crazy Levi]

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often and with more severity.

Not that you want something to happen, because most of these people have families, but if something serious were to happen to a few on either side, they might start giving a shit about you.

In fact, if only both sides could unite and storm Washington, you could easily take it over.

LOL at the big scary Canadian talking shit.

You pussies couldn't "take over" a moose lodge.

Then it's a good thing I wasn't talking about us taking over anything.

Interesting.

[thejuggernaut]

LOL at the big scary Canadian talking shit.

You pussies couldn't "take over" a moose lodge.

Then it's a good thing I wasn't talking about us taking over anything.

Interesting.

Indeed.

[vlad]

Cantor's office wasn't a target..the police determined it was a random shot from somewhere (like a yahoo shooting his gun in the air) and the bullet hit a window in the same building as Cantor's office. It didn't hit Cantor's office...but I understand that Cantor hyped it and Fox followed suit.

But that said, I agree....don't forget the brother of a Congresscritter whose propane line was cut after his address was mistakenly posted as the Congresscritter's by some Teabagger...ooops.

Two reps had their office windows smashed by rocks and one had their kids threatened...or was it grandkid...I forget.

[Ugmo]

This shit is weird isn't it? I can't remember the country ever being this collectively pissed off and divided, at least not in my life time. Pretty scary shit if you ask me. I think most of the blame can be placed on the information explosion. Political talk shows etc. have exploded in the past decade or so, with shock jocks stirring the pot in the name of ratings with no thought to the consequences. People are screaming to the rafters about things they don't even understand and reacting from a purely emotional place. The amount of misinformation and propaganda that people actually buy into is staggering. I don't see any way to stop it though. You can't trust anybody. Nobody is telling us the truth. It's all slanted toward whatever ideology that particular source supports.

I agree with this 100 percent, and it's pathetic. Rush Limbaugh for example is a soulless, heartless asshole, but he isn't stupid. He has to know the alarmist bullshit he spews on a daily basis isn't realistic, but he keeps it up just for the sake of ratings. There's a lot of lunatics out there, and people should be trying to calm them down, not rile them up.

[JakeYonkel]

Reminds me of a Law & Order SVU episode from earlier this season when a guy justifies a murder by saying a talk radio host 'made' him do it.

[bane]

I remember someone trying to kill the President as recently as 1981.

But yes, I'll cede you that there seems to be more of it than usual. Still, a couple broken windows and a hoax anthrax scare doesn't mean much to me.

The Reagan attempt was by a kook that was trying to impress Jody Foster, right? Not much of a political angle on that one. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see assasination attempts in the near future. People are ANGRY, most of it unnecessarily so, but the end result is the same. This is like the 60's all over again, only without any of the social benefit.

[JakeYonkel]

The country's never really been so politically divided, has it?

[Crazy Levi]

People are ANGRY, most of it unnecessarily so, but the end result is the same. This is like the 60's all over again, only without any of the social benefit.

People ARE angry, but they are also pussies. I really don't see any kind of massive explosion of REAL violence like the 60s.

Yes people are pissed, but they are fat lazy old men, not people with any real energy for change.

They don't have the creativity or the drive like people like the Weathermen or Black Panthers had.

They'll just keep throwing the occaisional brick and tuning back into fox to revel in their crapulence.

[bane]

The country's never really been so politically divided, has it?

Sure it has, just not recently. The 60's were. Think about the civil rights riots, the bombings, war protestors and American troops actually firing on American students, and lets not forget the assasinations of both Kennedys and MLK. The 1860's were even worse.

[Crazy Levi]

The country's never really been so politically divided, has it?

Sure it has, just not recently. The 60's were. Think about the civil rights riots, the bombings, war protestors and American troops actually firing on American students, and lets not forget the assasinations of both Kennedys and MLK. The 1860's were even worse.

This. People need to get some perspective.

[bane]

People are ANGRY, most of it unnecessarily so, but the end result is the same. This is like the 60's all over again, only without any of the social benefit.

People ARE angry, but they are also pussies. I really don't see any kind of massive explosion of REAL violence like the 60s.

Yes people are pissed, but they are fat lazy old men, not people with any real energy for change. They'll just keep throwing the occaisional brick and tuning back into fox to revel in their crapulence.

I hope you're right, I really do, but I can't be quite as cavalier about it as you are. The whole thing makes me a little uneasy. You live in New York, right? You ought to take a trip down south and sample the air a bit. It may change your outlook.

[KneelandBobDylan]

A Republican Rep. had a bullet fired at his office...

Suprise, It didn't quite go down the way Cantor said it did.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virgin ... it_ca.html

[JakeYonkel]

The country's never really been so politically divided, has it?

Sure it has, just not recently. The 60's were. Think about the civil rights riots, the bombings, war protestors and American troops actually firing on American students, and lets not forget the assasinations of both Kennedys and MLK. The 1860's were even worse.

I wish ItWalks was still here to speak about this.

[MasterOfMeatPuppets]

The country's never really been so politically divided, has it?

Sure it has, just not recently. The 60's were. Think about the civil rights riots, the bombings, war protestors and American troops actually firing on American students, and lets not forget the assasinations of both Kennedys and MLK. The 1860's were even worse.

I wish ItWalks was still here to speak about this.

The 1860's or 1960's?

[MickeyG]

When there are riots and a real whiff of change in the air, the youth of the nation are there driving the change.

In this situation the youth voted for Obama, and want healthcare reform. This exact bill might not be their ideal, but it's still a victory for them. They aren't out there in large numbers throwing rocks and sending letters and fake anthrax.

[EvilMadman]

Yeah, Bart Stupak was threatened for voting for "ObamaCare", but before his flip-flop he was being threatened for opposing "ObamaCare" too. And Eric Cantor, who opposed "ObamaCare", had a gun fired at his campaign office.

And despite the threats being performed by lunatic fringe troglodytes with brains comparable to beans, almost ALL Republicans and critics of "ObamaCare" are being branded as participating in these threats.

Well, nothing squashes criticism quite like branding all of your critics as unhinged, violent right wing radicals, spurred on by awful Republican talk radio hosts.

Interesting.

Edit: I missed this link...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virgin ... it_ca.html

But what are the odds that that shooting was actually "random"?

[dtmfs]

Cantors office was a random shot maybe some kids were just tossing bricks and accidentally hit those dems buildings. This shit is pretty interesting, Whoever the douche that sits in for olbermann played audio of a republican who was threatened with a 9mm over the phone but of course neglected to play the actual threat, I didn't hear him say the people on his side need to chill out with threats either but he urges the republican pundits to do so. same old "it's OK when our side does it" bullshit that's been going on since the beginning of politics. no surprises whatsoever.

[Crazy Levi]

When there are riots and a real whiff of change in the air, the youth of the nation are there driving the change.

In this situation the youth voted for Obama, and want healthcare reform. This exact bill might not be their ideal, but it's still a victory for them. They aren't out there in large numbers throwing rocks and sending letters and fake anthrax.

Exactly.

This cadre of outraged Archie Bunkers ain't gonna do shit.

[BigDrewHalenite]

Sure it has, just not recently. The 60's were. Think about the civil rights riots, the bombings, war protestors and American troops actually firing on American students, and lets not forget the assasinations of both Kennedys and MLK. The 1860's were even worse.

I wish ItWalks was still here to speak about this.[/quote]
The 1860's or 1960's?[/quote]

Duh--BOTH.




















He was a geezer.

[bane]

When there are riots and a real whiff of change in the air, the youth of the nation are there driving the change.

In this situation the youth voted for Obama, and want healthcare reform. This exact bill might not be their ideal, but it's still a victory for them. They aren't out there in large numbers throwing rocks and sending letters and fake anthrax.

Exactly.

This cadre of outraged Archie Bunkers ain't gonna do shit.

I don't envision any kind of organized youth revolt like we had in the 60's but I could see more than a few Timothy McVeighs springing from this shit.

[KneelandBobDylan]

Yeah, Bart Stupak was threatened for voting for "ObamaCare", but before his flip-flop he was being threatened for opposing "ObamaCare" too. And Eric Cantor, who opposed "ObamaCare", had a gun fired at his campaign office.

And despite the threats being performed by lunatic fringe troglodytes with brains comparable to beans, almost ALL Republicans and critics of "ObamaCare" are being branded as participating in these threats.

Well, nothing squashes criticism quite like branding all of your critics as unhinged, violent right wing radicals, spurred on by awful Republican talk radio hosts.

Interesting.

Edit: I missed this link...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virgin ... it_ca.html

But what are the odds that that shooting was actually "random"?

The bullet was fired into the air and came at a downward angle into the window, It didn't even get through the blinds.