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AP wrote:BEIJING – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that North Korea's sinking of a South Korean warship has created a "highly precarious" security situation in the region and that the Obama administration is working to prevent an escalation of tension that could lead to conflict.
Speaking to reporters in Beijing shortly after the White House issued a statement offering Washington's full and unequivocal support for Seoul, Clinton said all of North Korea's neighbors, including its chief ally China, understand the seriousness of the matter and want to "contain" it.
"We are working hard to avoid an escalation of belligerence and provocation," Clinton said. "This is a highly precarious situation that the North Koreans have caused in the region."
The U.S. will work with other nations to see that North Korea feels the consequences of its actions and changes its behavior to avoid "the kind of escalation that would be very regrettable," she said.
Clinton would not discuss the details of what the United States might do but noted that President Barack Obama had ordered U.S. military commanders to "to ensure readiness and to deter future aggression" from North Korea. The United States has 28,500 troops in South Korea.
South Korean President Lee Myung-bak said earlier Monday that Seoul would cut all trade with the impoverished regime — part of measures primarily aimed at striking back at North Korea diplomatically and financially. He also vowed to take the incident to the U.N. Security Council for punishment over the March 26 sinking of the Cheonan warship.
Both the White House and Clinton said the U.S. strongly supported Lee's moves. But winning China's support for U.N. action against the North is critical as it is a veto-wielding permanent member of the panel and can block any move there.


Clinton is in Beijing for high-level strategic and economic talks and members of her delegation say she has an uphill battle to convince the Chinese either that North Korea sank the ship — something Pyongyang has denied — or to support new U.N. measures against the fellow communist nation.
China is North Korea's main ally and has so far remained neutral in the matter despite an international investigation that found the ship was sunk by an explosion caused by a torpedo fired from a North Korean submarine.
But Clinton said that as a result of her discussions with Chinese leaders on Sunday and Monday she believed they "recognize the gravity of the situation we face." "The Chinese understand the reaction by the South Koreans, and they also understand our unique responsibility for the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula," she said.
Earlier Monday in an address to the opening of the high-level U.S.-China strategic and economic dialogue, Clinton urged China to work with the United States to coordinate a response to the sinking.
"We must work together ... to address this challenge and advance our shared objectives of peace and stability on the Korean peninsula," she said at Beijing's Great Hall of the People.
Clinton was joined onstage at China's Great Hall of the People by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Chinese Vice Premier Wang Qishan and State Councilor Dai Bingguo, all of whom spoke. Neither Wang nor Dai specifically mentioned North Korea or Iran, but Dai made clear in that China would not support any attempt to provoke conflict.
"No attempt to stir up confrontation and stage war, be it a hot war, a cold war or even a warm war, will be popular in today's world," he said. "Nor will such an attempt lead to anywhere."
Similarly, Chinese President Hu Jintao, who also addressed the opening session, did not mention North Korea by name but spoke of the responsibilities shared by the United States and China for "managing regional hotspots" and "safeguarding world peace and security."
Speaking later, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, Ma Zhaoxu, repeated China's standard noncommittal response when asked about Clinton's call, telling reporters only that China hoped "all the relevant parties will exercise restraint and remain coolheaded, appropriately handle issues of concern and prevent escalation of the event."
"We always believe that we should adopt a fair and objective perspective and dealing with international matters on the merits of the situation," he said. "I think that principle applies to the handling of the Cheonan incident."

vanitybinge wrote:


So now we're the peacekeepers in Korea....that's fucking rich.

lerxstcat wrote:L'il Kim is insane and his recent stroke may have made him worse, but I still don't think he will overtly attack the South. Word is that his military is large but decrepit. He will probably do more sneak attacks like th sub sinking the South Korean ship, then deny those too.

Unless the US and/or the UN decide to invade North Korea I doubt a general war will restart. If it did, the big question would be the same as in the 1940s: what would the PRC do? And this possibility is exactly why I doubt the UN will actually start anything.

However, if the North DID decide to start a general war, I think we WOULD use tactical nukes against their troop concentrations while they were still massing in the North. Their biggest edge is a big numerical advantage, and with only 28,500 US troops there, I think we would strike to take away their numerical advantage, and to make them think twice about aggressing at all.

We're just too thinly stretched around the world to send a lot of troops there in case of a big war. I think we'd use tactical nukes to nip it in the bud.

Thrash Gordon wrote:

lerxstcat wrote:L'il Kim is insane and his recent stroke may have made him worse, but I still don't think he will overtly attack the South. Word is that his military is large but decrepit. He will probably do more sneak attacks like th sub sinking the South Korean ship, then deny those too.

Unless the US and/or the UN decide to invade North Korea I doubt a general war will restart. If it did, the big question would be the same as in the 1940s: what would the PRC do? And this possibility is exactly why I doubt the UN will actually start anything.

However, if the North DID decide to start a general war, I think we WOULD use tactical nukes against their troop concentrations while they were still massing in the North. Their biggest edge is a big numerical advantage, and with only 28,500 US troops there, I think we would strike to take away their numerical advantage, and to make them think twice about aggressing at all.

We're just too thinly stretched around the world to send a lot of troops there in case of a big war. I think we'd use tactical nukes to nip it in the bud.

No way L Cat. While there are definitely General Officers just itching to try out some tactical nukes, the fear of the public outcry from around the world and especially in theater would keep us from using nukes. Air Stikes, most likely, Lots and Lots of air strikes. Daisy Cutters, possibly Moabs, and definitely anti personnel missiles, but nukes? Highly doubt it, Troop shortages and all. Threaten them with it? Perhaps.

Supersonic wrote: I bet there are plenty in the Chinese govt that wish Kim would kick the bucket, so they can influence a more calm future in that area.

Thrash Gordon wrote:

Supersonic wrote: I bet there are plenty in the Chinese govt that wish Kim would kick the bucket, so they can influence a more calm future in that area.

From what I've read, the son most likely in line to rule is crazier and more war mongering than his Dad. If true, how much China might be able to impact or influence that, who knows.

SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:

vanitybinge wrote:


So now we're the peacekeepers in Korea....that's fucking rich.

We've been "peacekeeping" in North Korea for almost 60 years, you fucking momo. We've had thousands of troops stationed in the DMZ, over 28,000 as we speak and trying to get the countries to normalize relations all during this time. I am amazed with how many people on this War Board that don't know their ass from their elbow. It's like an army of internet George Carlins pontificating but not being funny.

Mattfig wrote:When and how is this gonna go down? Both sides can only flex and talk so much...
I hope it will be a few scuffles and more talk...It may just flush out who's on which side if it escalates to the point of taking action on several fronts...We may be surprised...While I hope for the best, it doesn't look to be trending toward anything but further escalation...