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WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pledge

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:51 pm
by SmokingGun
Long article. I hope this mosque never gets built. While some Muslims may feel they are moderate, there is no such thing as moderate Islam. It commands it's followers to conquer, and not to compromise, integrate, forgive or adapt.


Exclusive: Peace, Tolerance and Religious Freedom? No Way

Alyssa A. Lappen

Ground Zero mosque wanna-be developers show their true radical colors

On October 20, 2009, American Society of Muslim Advancement (ASMA) leader Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan, both received a letter from Former Muslims United (FMU) requesting that they each sign the latter's Freedom Pledge. Neither has yet signed.

Rauf and Khan both claim to be moderate Muslims. Yet they are determined to rip down a 150-year-old wrought iron building --- less than 200 feet from Ground Zero --- where a piece of jumbo jet fell through its roof on 9/11 after Saudi suicide bombers flew two loaded passenger planes into each of the World Trade Center towers. The fuselage remains in the building to date. In its place, Rauf and Khan want to build a 13-story mosque.

The Cordoba Initiative, an ASMA subsidiary, claims the building will not be a mosque but a “cultural center” open to all. However, ASMA registered itself as a “church” with the Internal Revenue Service --- not a cultural institute open to all, according to Guidestar. The building will indeed be a mosque, and open to all only so as to “invite” non-Muslims to Islam. In Malaysia the title of Rauf's 2004 book What's Right With Islam, complete with its introduction from Muslim Brotherhood devotee Karen Armstrong, translates to “The Call from the WTC Rubble.” For decades, Rauf and Khan have operated entirely in sync with global Muslim Brotherhood “flexibility” guidelines, which in North America seek to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law.

Now there is new evidence that ASMA's purportedly “moderate” leaders do not support basic human rights for former Muslims: They failed to even acknowledge an October 20, 2009 invitation from Former Muslims United to sign its Freedom Pledge.

FMU initially sent the Freedom Pledge, fully named the “Muslim Pledge for Religious Freedom and Safety from Harm for Former Muslims,” to 59 major Muslim leaders at 24 Muslim organizations in time for them to have it on September 25, 2009 --- the day on which, 220 years earlier, the U.S. Congress passed the Bill of Rights. The letters to Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan were sent in a second Oct. 20, 2009 round of invitations that went to 51 Muslim leaders at 26 more organizations, including ASMA, which houses the Cordoba Initiative.

In their request that Muslim leaders sign the Freedom Pledge, FMU executive director Nonie Darwish, and her colleagues Ibn Warraq, Mohammed Asghar, Wafa Sultan, and Amil Imani wrote

“we now pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor to achieve for former Muslims their unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We claim these rights as the foundation for our right to freedom from Shariah. We urge you to join us.”

The 878- word Freedom Pledge itself outlines the principles of Islamic law under which apostates from Islam are subject to the death penalty. It notes that the four schools of Sunni Islam --- Hanafi, Miliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali --- “unanimously agree that a former Muslim male, also known as an apostate, must be executed” and that a woman, at best must be “imprisoned or beaten five times a day until she repents or dies” and at worst, like men executed outright. It then goes on to cite 1978 and 1989 religious rulings --- from the Fatwa Council at Al Azhar University, the closest Muslim equivalent to the Vatican, and the Mufti of Lebanon, each, respectively consigning a renegade Muslim to death if they “do not repent.” Perhaps “a misunderstanding on his part may have taken place, and there would thus be an opportunity to rectify it,” intones the Mufti. But he must do so within three days, or die.

“Overwhelmingly, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan ... do not honor freedom to choose one’s beliefs as guaranteed under our [U.S.] First Amendment,” said Nonie Darwish in response to their dead silence since October 20, 2009. “That is the only conclusion we can draw” by their failure to acknowledge or sign the Freedom Pledge.

Rauf and Khan nevertheless hope to convince Americans that they think exactly the opposite. On July 6, 2010 at the Chautauqua Institute in New York state, Khan said

“The Quran speaks of humankind as one nation under God. We find that in America,.... The Quran speaks of one creator and the founding document says that everyone is endowed by the creator with inalienable rights.”

During the question and answer period that followed, an audience member asked Khan if the proposed Cordoba House mosque 200 feet from Ground Zero could be seen as a victory for Muslim radicals infiltrating America. She replied,

“It is a defeat to the extremists, ... because Cordoba House will celebrate the very ideology that the extremists detest, which is the ideology of inclusiveness, pluralism, and coexistence between faiths.”

Khan referred there specifically to Quran Chapter 3, verse 109, which states,

“To God belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, and unto Him all matters are returned.”

However, she deceptively omits the critical following verse, 3:110, clearly stating that Muslims alone --- not other human beings --- are acceptable to Allah.

“You are the best nation ever brought forth to men, bidding to honor, and forbidding dishonor, and believing in God. Had the People of the Book believed, it were better for them; some of them are believers, but the most of them are ungodly.”

The point is reiterated, moreover, in the Tafsir (commentary) on the verse by al-Jalalayn:

“You, O community of Muhammad (s), are the best community brought forth, manifested, to men, according to God’s knowledge, enjoining decency, and forbidding indecency, and believing in God. Had the People of the Scripture believed, it, their belief, would have been better for them; some of them are believers, such as ‘Abd Allāh b. Salām, may God be pleased with him and his companions; but most of them, the disbelievers, are wicked.”

The Quran expresses the same revulsion for non-Muslim “disbelievers” in Chapter 98, verse 6:

“The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.”

The al-Jalalayn Tafsir on this verse is equally adamant about the evils of unbelievers:

“Truly the disbelievers from among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters shall be in the fire of Hell, to abide therein (khālidīna: an implied circumstantial qualifier, in other words, it will be decreed for them by God, exalted be He, to abide therein) — those are the worst of creatures.”

This is not the stuff of sweetness, love and light. Rather, it reflects Rauf's genuine feelings, as he has more than once expressed in Arabic. Clearly, Rauf himself reveres sharia law and wants to impose it. On Dec. 9, 2007, Rauf told the popular Arabic newspaper Hadi el-Islam,

“Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians, it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more than just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern.

“In the period after the Prophet, peace be upon him, new laws were permitted so long of course as these laws do not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad... so they create institutions that assure [that there are] no conflicts with sharia.

“We recommend that in the case of a breakdown in the relationship between state and religious institutions ... that the people follow the method of giving peaceful advice to governors and state institutions and use peaceful means [to convert them].

“And also [to] suggest that the rulers and political bodies consult with religious bodies and religious figures ... so that [political] decisions reflect the spirit of the [sharia] law.

In March 2010, he even denounced interfaith discussions. The article in another popular Arabic journal, Rights4All, was entitled “The Most Prominent Imam in New York: ‘I Do Not Believe in Religious Dialogue’,” according to former Muslim and native Arabic speaker Walid Shoebat. In it, Rauf spoke against both “religious dialogue” and “interweaving into the mainstream society.”

“This phrase is inaccurate. Religious dialogue as customarily understood is a set of events with discussions in large hotels that result in nothing. Religions do not dialogue and dialogue is not present in the attitudes of the followers, regardless of being Muslim or Christian.”

Given these sentiments, it is no wonder whatever that neither Rauf nor his wife Daisy Khan would sign the FMU Freedom Pledge, promising to

“renounce, repudiate and oppose any physical intimidation, or worldly and corporal punishment, of apostates from Islam, in whatever way that punishment may be determined or carried out by myself or any other Muslim including the family of the apostate, community, Mosque leaders, Shariah court or judge, and Muslim government or regime.”

In fact, only two of the 111 Muslim leaders in 50 U.S. Muslim organizations to whom FMU sent the Freedom Pledge actually signed it. Those two heroes are Zuhdi Jasser (American Islamic Forum for Democracy) and Dr. Ali Alyami (Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi Arabia).

The sad facts are these:

l The results of the FMU Freedom Pledge --- to date sent to 163 American Muslim leaders at 50 organizations --- show that less than 1.3% of American Muslim leaders are actually moderate.

l Neither Feisal Abdul Rauf nor Daisy Khan fall into that moderate category --- despite their massive efforts to pull the wool over public and political eyes. Their silence concerning human rights for former Muslims proves it, although certainly, so do many of their other actions, not least their long history of subterfuge concerning their real intentions.

At Chautauqua on July 6, Daisy Khan should have told the truth: Yes, allowing a mosque to go up in place of an historic building at Ground Zero would be a triumph for extremist Muslims. Moreover, ASMA and the Cordoba Institute are among the heavy weight extremists leading that charge.

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Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:28 pm
by SeminiferousButtNoid
Honestly, I think this shouldn't bother you in the least. Both Khan and her husband are American citizens and have been on various news channels defending themselves. They have condemned extremism and I believe they wish to reconcile the image of Islam to the West by the building of this mosque and/or "religious center" or whatever you want to call it.

Even if they were as base as you think they are, they still have the right to build whatever the Hell they want under the letter of the law.

As far as "religious tolerance", I wouldn't sign anything either. To do so would be a repudiation of their religion. I am Eastern Orthodox and I would never insist that a Roman Catholic church, an Orthodox Jewish synagougue or any other legitimate religious institution, sign a ridiculous "tolerance pledge".


Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:50 am
by tin00can
Gotta love somebody trying to make up a news story. And by "gotta love" I mean "you should totally ignore." Unless, of course, it gets your panties twisted in exactly the right way.

Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:34 am
by Crazy Levi
I don't give a shit.

Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:36 am
by vlad
Nonie Darwish...riding the anti-Islam cash cow all the way to the bank.

Her own father was killed by an Israeli letter bomb. And yet she calls the Nasser Arab nationalism, which was very secular, so secular in fact that it led to the rise of the religious reaction and extremism..anyway, she calls Nasser "jihadist"...

Actually the only "jihad" that Nasser enacted that impacted her family was his introduction of rent controls, which cost her family income, as they had Cairo rentals.
She also has an odd memory. The Israeli's raided her childhood home and destroyed it,, along with refugees....bombing the place and Darwish says she slept through it and how "nice" the Israelis were/are. Dozens were killed, by Molotov cocktail throwing Israelis. This was in the early 50's.

Nonie Darwish is at best "forgetful" of what really happened and worst a liar. Which is a good thing for her, financially. Israeli "terror" doesn't exist in her mind, now. And mentioning those inconvenient little tidbits would most likely not help her "cred" or her speaking fees.

But hey! Someone doesn't want to sign up for her bullshit "pledge"...go figure.

Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:32 am
by SmokingGun
SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:Honestly, I think this shouldn't bother you in the least. Both Khan and her husband are American citizens and have been on various news channels defending themselves. They have condemned extremism and I believe they wish to reconcile the image of Islam to the West (snip)
There was another American Muslim husband and wife on TV, aimed at countering Muslim stereotypes ie extremism, misogyny etc. And we all know how that turned out.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16 ... index.html

The Koran expressly advocates Muslims lying if it is to help the spread of Islam. Just because they are on TV defending themselves, doesn't mean that anything they say is necessarily true.

Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:20 pm
by MasterOfMeatPuppets
SmokingGun wrote:
SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:Honestly, I think this shouldn't bother you in the least. Both Khan and her husband are American citizens and have been on various news channels defending themselves. They have condemned extremism and I believe they wish to reconcile the image of Islam to the West (snip)
There was another American Muslim husband and wife on TV, aimed at countering Muslim stereotypes ie extremism, misogyny etc. And we all know how that turned out.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16 ... index.html

The Koran expressly advocates Muslims lying if it is to help the spread of Islam. Just because they are on TV defending themselves, doesn't mean that anything they say is necessarily true.
Nor does signing the pledge. It would be acceptable for them to sign this, even if they did not intend to uphold the pledge. It would serve to advance the cause of Islam.

Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:07 pm
by lerxstcat
MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote:
SmokingGun wrote:
SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:Honestly, I think this shouldn't bother you in the least. Both Khan and her husband are American citizens and have been on various news channels defending themselves. They have condemned extremism and I believe they wish to reconcile the image of Islam to the West (snip)
There was another American Muslim husband and wife on TV, aimed at countering Muslim stereotypes ie extremism, misogyny etc. And we all know how that turned out.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16 ... index.html

The Koran expressly advocates Muslims lying if it is to help the spread of Islam. Just because they are on TV defending themselves, doesn't mean that anything they say is necessarily true.
Nor does signing the pledge. It would be acceptable for them to sign this, even if they did not intend to uphold the pledge. It would serve to advance the cause of Islam.
That is a very good point, but since Islam does not operate under one roof, they might run into problems with other Muslims not realizing, or believing, that they signed it with the intent to deceive the infidel - and acting on the belief that they had sided with the infidel. There has been plenty of infighting within Islam almost from the beginning, at least from the time Muhammad died and there was a dispute over who should succeed him as the head of the faith. They've been splintering off into more and more subgroups ever since.

Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:44 pm
by HollywoodBomb
Obama to the rescue!

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Re: WTC mosque leader refuses to sign religious tolerance pl

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:57 pm
by HollywoodBomb
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