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That'd have to be a really alternate universe, because chasing the drug trail down to the end consumer is a pretty fruitless task and the Mexican government is under the gun from the cartels within its own country. They probably need to keep troops they trust close at hand to protect themselves. There are probably lots of dirty troops working for the cartels.vlad wrote:I suppose in an alternate universe, Mexico could send troops to the US to go after the market that supplies the cash that is tearing apart a chunk of their country.
It's American money (for the most part) that makes these cartels so wealthy and dangerous.
lerxstcat wrote:That'd have to be a really alternate universe, because chasing the drug trail down to the end consumer is a pretty fruitless task and the Mexican government is under the gun from the cartels within its own country. They probably need to keep troops they trust close at hand to protect themselves. There are probably lots of dirty troops working for the cartels.vlad wrote:I suppose in an alternate universe, Mexico could send troops to the US to go after the market that supplies the cash that is tearing apart a chunk of their country.
It's American money (for the most part) that makes these cartels so wealthy and dangerous.
I think US culpability in this is a valid point, but I also think that the Mexican government's role in this is too big to overlook.The cartels never would have achieved the power they currently enjoy if that government hadn't let themselves be bribed into allowing it. You could draw parallels to prohibition era gangsters in the US. The mob made money, lots of it, and there was plenty of violence to go around, but the US government made damn sure they never got out of control. They are completely out of control in Mexico. They basically run that country now. It's rapidly becoming third world, which is really sad when you think about the resources that country has.vlad wrote:lerxstcat wrote:That'd have to be a really alternate universe, because chasing the drug trail down to the end consumer is a pretty fruitless task and the Mexican government is under the gun from the cartels within its own country. They probably need to keep troops they trust close at hand to protect themselves. There are probably lots of dirty troops working for the cartels.vlad wrote:I suppose in an alternate universe, Mexico could send troops to the US to go after the market that supplies the cash that is tearing apart a chunk of their country.
It's American money (for the most part) that makes these cartels so wealthy and dangerous.
Oh, no disagreement from me there. My point was, a possible American response to the cartels is to invade another country. When said cartels are funded essentially by America. The cartels are responsible for the violence, but they are backed by American money. IN a way, it' s attacking the messenger, a violent, thuggish murderous messenger, no doubt, but if these cartels dissappear, there will others in their place.
That is true, but how long do you think it will be before something like that happens? The cartels haven't done that, yet. I think it will eventually happen, and when it does, our government will retaliate.David_Lee_Halen wrote:It's not gonna happen without Mexico's blessing and approval. The US Poncho Villa expedition into Mexico happened after Poncho Villa and his men attacked and burned up the town of Columbus, New Mexico which was largely inhabited by the US Army's 13th Cavalry. The cartels haven't really brought the war over to this side of the fence in that same fashion.
That's 111 million people you want to wipe out! If that's not genocide I don't know what is! I agree that their country is out of control but killing them all is not an option.MotleyMaiden wrote:Personally, I just wish we would wipe out the whole damn country and start over. The violence down there is completely out of control and they even killed that guy who was just enjoying the day on the lake with his wife. The government and police departments are corrupt as hell and I really don't see how they can fix the problem. I know the American market for drugs continue to feed the cartels but they just seem to get even more vicious as time goes on.
Of course, I am aware this is just wishful thinking and that would never happen.
Wow. Don't you think a leg shot would suffice there? I mean after a few times I think they would get it. Of course, you seem like a hard justice douchebag so...Drunk Kennedy wrote:we dont need to invade mexico to resolve this problem...just put our military at the border with instructions to put a bullet in the head of ANYBODY who tries to cross the border into the US illegally.
keep the violence on their side of the border and end illegal immigration all at once.
If it does happen like that again on US soil, there's no doubt that the US will retaliate.bane wrote:That is true, but how long do you think it will be before something like that happens? The cartels haven't done that, yet. I think it will eventually happen, and when it does, our government will retaliate.David_Lee_Halen wrote:It's not gonna happen without Mexico's blessing and approval. The US Poncho Villa expedition into Mexico happened after Poncho Villa and his men attacked and burned up the town of Columbus, New Mexico which was largely inhabited by the US Army's 13th Cavalry. The cartels haven't really brought the war over to this side of the fence in that same fashion.
I'm guessing you've never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act, the UCMJ and the Geneva Conventions.Drunk Kennedy wrote:we dont need to invade mexico to resolve this problem...just put our military at the border with instructions to put a bullet in the head of ANYBODY who tries to cross the border into the US illegally.
keep the violence on their side of the border and end illegal immigration all at once.
Who made a racist comment?Constantine wrote:You people making racist, ignorant comments like that makes you no better than Osama Bin Laden himself!
That story along with all of those pics is really fucked up. I feel for the innocent people who live in the middle of this heartbreaking mess.
That sucks really bad, but it's not the kind of incident that would incite US military action in and of itself. If he was there on duty doing something in his miltary role and was shot, that would be another story.
This.mr.sixx wrote:Obama is a puss. He won't send troops over there but eventually we will NEED to.
You would know since you sleep with a loaded gun RAMBO.lerxstcat wrote:That sucks really bad, but it's not the kind of incident that would incite US military action in and of itself. If he was there on duty doing something in his miltary role and was shot, that would be another story.
Makes me wonder what would happen if some of his comrades decided to go get some revenge though, and the reprisal to THAT happened on our side. That kind of escalation could get out of hand.
What the hell was he doing in Juarez? I used to go there all the time when I was in high school. We'd go bar hopping then stagger back across the bridge. I think the drinking age was something like 8 over there, and you could get a bucket of beer for about 3 bucks, but no way I'd do that now. They've had something like 1500 murders in that town this year. That's like going to Afghanistan for a family vacation.
I don't sleep with it - it's just within reach. I don't want to blow my head off having a nightmare. I DO have a guitar forum buddy who is a law enforcement officer in New Mexico, about 30 miles north of the border, and he owns an AR-15 and a bunch of other stuff because border incursions have happened out there for many years. It was usually just drunk Mexican soldiers in past years so they weren't actually out to kill, but if somebody caught them over here they might kill them so as to have no witnesses. You're a little far north and east to have that particular worry.Skate4RnR wrote:You would know since you sleep with a loaded gun RAMBO.lerxstcat wrote:That sucks really bad, but it's not the kind of incident that would incite US military action in and of itself. If he was there on duty doing something in his miltary role and was shot, that would be another story.
Makes me wonder what would happen if some of his comrades decided to go get some revenge though, and the reprisal to THAT happened on our side. That kind of escalation could get out of hand.