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Great fucking rant!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWWOJGYZYpk

Penn Jillette and Michael Goudeau talk about President Barack Obama's appearance on Jimmy Fallon and his previous drug use.

Notice he doesn't put Obama down for using drugs, but rather what he's done as a politician since using drugs.

He does put Obama down for using drugs.

He's making an argument that is persuasive to a simpleton and it's not surprising that it appeals to you. What Obama did before he was president does not dictate domestic policy. If Obama discriminated against someone on the basis of race 20 years ago, that would not preclude him from enforcing the Civil Rights laws as president. Same goes with drug use or anything else. It has no bearing on his administration's policies.

The rant about state's rights was also asinine. The Supreme Court addressed that as recently as 2006. States do not have the power to determine their own pot laws. Obama is not ignoring state's rights. The right does not exist.

Video was complete rubbish and you prove once again that you are a complete moron.

Sometimes Penn should take a cue from Teller.

Danzig in the Dark wrote:Sometimes Penn should take a cue from Teller.

Anyone see his rant on the Dalai Lama on the show Bullshit!? It was a great rant for someone who doesn't know a damn thing about him to push assumptions and "maybe's" to get the viewer to hate the Dalai Lama who is hands down one of the most peaceful people on the planet. For those of us that know a shit ton about him it was...such an unfortunate waste of energy to flush a humanitarian's name and life's work down the toilet. I've thought very little of the son of a bitch ever since and I was a fan my whole life.

The Dalai Lama? Holy shit! How long ago did he do this???

This article is hysterical!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/a-users-g ... rack-obama

Dear God, I don't like his run as President, but he was a friggin' teenager. Who cares if he smoked pot back then? My only problem with it is he is not for the legalization of marijuana now, hence the hypocrisy.

The pictures on that page? He looks like he was a pretty cool kid. For all I know he could have been an ass, but he looks cool. I mean shit... Look at this pic...



We're looking at a future President and a future Secretary of State.

What happens when a metal head grows up to run for president? What will the press do? Post pics of the guy in high school with the headline... "Look at his hair!!!"

Skate4RnR wrote:Anyone see his rant on the Dalai Lama on the show Bullshit!? It was a great rant for someone who doesn't know a damn thing about him to push assumptions and "maybe's" to get the viewer to hate the Dalai Lama who is hands down one of the most peaceful people on the planet. For those of us that know a shit ton about him it was...such an unfortunate waste of energy to flush a humanitarian's name and life's work down the toilet. I've thought very little of the son of a bitch ever since and I was a fan my whole life.

Yeah I saw that one. The whole series pissed off people of all persuasions... filled with half-truths, embellishments, and countless one sided arguments.

But as for that episode, everything he said I've always known about the Dalai Lama. Which part(s) did you disagree with?

Same with the Mother Teresa part, she was no saint (sic), as many people already knew. The Gandhi segment was where IMO he was really reaching, that was truly Bullshit.

brotherplanet wrote:The Dalai Lama? Holy shit! How long ago did he do this???

Several years ago, it was so shameful.

SmokingGun wrote:Yeah I saw that one. The whole series pissed off people of all persuasions... filled with half-truths, embellishments, and countless one sided arguments.

But as for that episode, everything he said I've always known about the Dalai Lama. Which part(s) did you disagree with?

The idea that since Tibet was a country that lived in the past for so long this Lama would guide them in the same direction which proves he's evil, not good.

Truth is Tenchin Gyatso (HH The Dalai Lama) is a scientist and is OBSESSED with moving forward. He has no interest in being a brutal dictator who executes people on the drop of a hat. He has no interest in slavery and being a crude dictator as the show suggested.

The man part of a holy lineage that has lasted for ages. He's lost his culture, his country, any power that he would've had yet he still preaches Buddha's peaceful beliefs. He also states that if "science proves Buddhism wrong, Buddhism must change". How's that for an oppressive mindset?

I could go on and on but it would take much more than just little snippets that "sound right" so we can beat up on someone whose culture has been molested by China.

If you have any questions more specific I can answer but I thought I'd attack the general ideas.

Watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... 21XD74JKHw
It's hilarious that SmokingGun has no doubt the Dalai Lama is not holier than though but is shocked that anyone would question Gandhi's holiness.

Well, I think SmokingCum was honestly just curious. As someone who always has his nose in Buddhist or Vedic philosophy it really made me sick. Not in the way a Catholic may be disgusted with calling out the pope, I'm the furthest from a Tibetan Buddhist, I just can't believe they'd pick his ass out to slam. It can only work for those who are completely in the dark about Gyatso and what he's all about.

It doesn't hurt anything to grind out a "possible" picture that couldn't be more "impossible" because I doubt too many viewers will take to Buddhism in this lifetime. I just thought it was...bullshit!

Skate4RnR wrote:Well, I think SmokingCum was honestly just curious. As someone who always has his nose in Buddhist or Vedic philosophy it really made me sick. Not in the way a Catholic may be disgusted with calling out the pope, I'm the furthest from a Tibetan Buddhist, I just can't believe they'd pick his ass out to slam. It can only work for those who are completely in the dark about Gyatso and what he's all about.

It doesn't hurt anything to grind out a "possible" picture that couldn't be more "impossible" because I doubt too many viewers will take to Buddhism in this lifetime. I just thought it was...bullshit!

It's not about Buddhism, but instead the person of Tenchin Gyatso aka the Dalai Lama. We like to elevate people we admire to godlike status and it's always disappointing to find they are still only human. It's our fault for placing them upon pedestals. Don't blame those who topple those pedestals or our heroes for falling.

Skate4RnR wrote:

brotherplanet wrote:The Dalai Lama? Holy shit! How long ago did he do this???

Several years ago, it was so shameful.

SmokingGun wrote:Yeah I saw that one. The whole series pissed off people of all persuasions... filled with half-truths, embellishments, and countless one sided arguments.

But as for that episode, everything he said I've always known about the Dalai Lama. Which part(s) did you disagree with?

The idea that since Tibet was a country that lived in the past for so long this Lama would guide them in the same direction which proves he's evil, not good.

Truth is Tenchin Gyatso (HH The Dalai Lama) is a scientist and is OBSESSED with moving forward. He has no interest in being a brutal dictator who executes people on the drop of a hat. He has no interest in slavery and being a crude dictator as the show suggested.

The man part of a holy lineage that has lasted for ages. He's lost his culture, his country, any power that he would've had yet he still preaches Buddha's peaceful beliefs. He also states that if "science proves Buddhism wrong, Buddhism must change". How's that for an oppressive mindset?

I could go on and on but it would take much more than just little snippets that "sound right" so we can beat up on someone whose culture has been molested by China.

If you have any questions more specific I can answer but I thought I'd attack the general ideas.

Of course he preaches 'peace'.. he got his ass kicked by China. Now he's crying that he wants his power and wealth back. What choice does he have, mount an army of Buddhist vegetarians and try and fight the Chinese? He ruled with an iron fist, and now preaches peace. Nice consistency there.

Science cannot and will never 'prove' Buddhism wrong. This is a classic case of the Dalai Lama's expert bullshitting methodology. How much has science proven or disproven with regard to Buddhism thus far? Do you expect this to change any time soon?

Does the Dalai Lama denounce the caste system? He is in India, yes? How much has he helped the untouchables? 160 million people discriminated against from the minute they are born. If he wants to do good in the world, why not help these people? Or, considering the Tibetans under the Dalai Lama share the same ideology, would that be politically inconvenient?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ables.html

Does he really think Steven Segal is a reincarnated Lama? Or did he just enjoy the free publicity he gave him by being a Hollywood star, much like anyone donating enough money to his cause can buy favor and/or titles such as Lama?

What about his association with Bruno Beger, convicted Nazi war criminal?

And his persecution of anyone worshipping Dorje Shugden?

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/ ... icle/5170/

Does he regret living in opulent luxury while the inferior classes lived in abject poverty, looked down on as filth by the Dalai Lama and his cronies? When and where did he voice this regret?

Has the Dalai Lama agreed that, in a dramatic reversal of his previous fascist ideology, that all people in Tibet would be treated as equal if China were to relinquish their occupation of Tibet? Not simply if they want him or a future reincarnation to be their official (as opposed to spiritual) leader. I mean: No classes, no castes, where everyone has equal freedom, rights and a democratic voice?

Has he done what many western nations have done and apologized for the era of slavery while he was in power? Why not?

Sorry if all this sounds harsh, but so far the Dalai Lama has simply said what people want to hear. Giving vague promises of reform is easy; addressing the brutal, fascist nature of his ideology, and apologizing for the atrocities, repression and slavery under his own rule is somewhat more difficult and infinitely more politically inconvenient.

It's fine if your beliefs align with rascal Penn but I don't believe that about him. I've read alot about the Dalai Lama and I've found no reason to not believe him.

Any religious leader that puts faith in science before religion is great in my book. That's what he was saying but he is a sneaky greedy little fucker ain't he?

"China kicked his ass yee haw!"

Skate4RnR wrote:It's fine if your beliefs align with rascal Penn but I don't believe that about him. I've read alot about the Dalai Lama and I've found no reason to not believe him.

Any religious leader that puts faith in science before religion is great in my book. That's what he was saying but he is a sneaky greedy little fucker ain't he?

"China kicked his ass yee haw!"

Beliefs? That's the history of Tibet, unchallenged by even the Dalai Lama.

And since his funding by the CIA was stopped (see Wikileaks for details), the Dalai Lama now charges $5000.00 for a personal meet and greet to make ends meet. Yes, he certainly is a sneaky greedy little fucker. Gene Simmons has nothing on this guy!

"China kicked his ass" means: he formed an army (funded by the CIA) to fight China and lost.

When it became evident that Mao was going to end slavery and the caste system in Tibet and the Dalai Lama would lose his power, he formed an army to fight against the Chinese. He had already begun a systematic destruction of opposing Buddhist sects which opposed his yellow sect to protect his power.

From the ultra-conservative (lol!) Green Left paper:

The Dalai Lama and the majority of the elite agreed to give away Tibet's de facto independence in 1950 once they were assured by Beijing their exploitative system would be maintained. Nine years later, only when they felt their privileges were threatened, did they revolt.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/13373


This is all well documented history. The whole 'peace' schtick was only adopted by the Dalai Lama after everything else failed. Best PR move ever!

SmokingGun wrote:Beliefs? That's the history of Tibet, unchallenged by even the Dalai Lama.

And since his funding by the CIA was stopped (see Wikileaks for details), the Dalai Lama now charges $5000.00 for a personal meet and greet to make ends meet. Yes, he certainly is a sneaky greedy little fucker. Gene Simmons has nothing on this guy!

"China kicked his ass" means: he formed an army (funded by the CIA) to fight China and lost.

When it became evident that Mao was going to end slavery and the caste system in Tibet and the Dalai Lama would lose his power, he formed an army to fight against the Chinese. He had already begun a systematic destruction of opposing Buddhist sects which opposed his yellow sect to protect his power.

From the ultra-conservative (lol!) Green Left paper:

The Dalai Lama and the majority of the elite agreed to give away Tibet's de facto independence in 1950 once they were assured by Beijing their exploitative system would be maintained. Nine years later, only when they felt their privileges were threatened, did they revolt.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/13373


This is all well documented history. The whole 'peace' schtick was only adopted by the Dalai Lama after everything else failed. Best PR move ever!

Think about who and what you're talking about here. The Chinese were owning women and binding their feet at the turn of the century up until the warlord era. The Dalai Lama was FIFTEEN fucking years old when he had to step to be a leader when China was taking over.

Now he's been all over the world, well read in history, science, and literature like no other lama before him and you and Penn believe that this is all political and as soon as he can get his hands back on them slaves he's gonna beat 'em until they're dead.

He says he loves freedom, he loves democracy and realizes how far behind Tibet was in the past. You think this motherfucker who lost his country wants to go feudal again just to lose it?

Really man?

Lemme play your right winged game here..."It's a liberal link and liberals hate religion!"

Ask him which parts Penn made up about Gandhi.

Many leaders in the west have apologized for slavery, often for the sins of their fathers. Which is fair.

Why hasn't the Dalai Lama apologized? He was 15 when he took power, but was 25 when the 'no more slavery' rule of the communists proved too much for his pampered lifestyle.

If a western religious leader who had slaves and fought brutal wars against his rivals decided he'd seen the light and was now all about peace and love... would you be as forgiving? Especially if he'd never apologized for the torture and death he presided over?

Take away the PR machine, the smooth talking, the 'coolness' factor of Eastern mysticism that enthralled the Beatles and many a rebellious teen.. and you're left with a person with a brutal past, who goes around teaching the exact opposite of the life he lived until he was forced to give it up. And who never apologized or showed remorse for any of the hardships he caused.

If he had the same history but was a boring white Mormon in a suit and tie, and not a cliched wise Oriental shaman in purple robes, you'd call him an opportunistic two faced murderous scumbag who preys on the gullible. Be honest, you would, wouldn't you?

As for China, their history during that time was horrific and destructive. They had no right to occupy Tibet, and still have no rightful claim over it. But the whitewashing of the Dalai Lama's past is what I'm talking about here.

Danzig in the Dark wrote:Ask him which parts Penn made up about Gandhi.

Where did anyone say Penn made anything up about anyone?

SmokingGun wrote:

Danzig in the Dark wrote:Ask him which parts Penn made up about Gandhi.

Where did anyone say Penn made anything up about anyone?

SmokingGun wrote: The Gandhi segment was where IMO he was really reaching, that was truly Bullshit.

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

SmokingGun wrote:

Danzig in the Dark wrote:Ask him which parts Penn made up about Gandhi.

Where did anyone say Penn made anything up about anyone?

SmokingGun wrote: The Gandhi segment was where IMO he was really reaching, that was truly Bullshit.

Reaching ≠ Made Up

You hate all non-Christian religions (like Islam). Why is it that the people in China can't even google the Dalai Lama and get the history? Or, are they reading the correct history, your version? Your Maoist views have one truth, the truth in a goddamn history lesson and that's it.

Now you start talking about Eastern religious philosophy like it's just so "cool" and "far out". I study it because I'm in a search for a truth, not sitting back and accepting what I was told so you don't come on here making an interest of mine and turning it into some goddamn LSD hippie trip motherfucker.

SmokingGun wrote:

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

SmokingGun wrote: Where did anyone say Penn made anything up about anyone?

SmokingGun wrote: The Gandhi segment was where IMO he was really reaching, that was truly Bullshit.

Reaching ≠ Made Up

Bullshit = Made Up

Skate4RnR wrote:You hate all non-Christian religions (like Islam). Why is it that the people in China can't even google the Dalai Lama and get the history? Or, are they reading the correct history, your version? Your Maoist views have one truth, the truth in a goddamn history lesson and that's it.

Now you start talking about Eastern religious philosophy like it's just so "cool" and "far out". I study it because I'm in a search for a truth, not sitting back and accepting what I was told so you don't come on here making an interest of mine and turning it into some goddamn LSD hippie trip motherfucker.

I'm not trying to ruin anything man.. but like I said if the Dalai Lama was a Mormon in a suit and tie with the same history, I doubt you'd be as forgiving.

If you think I'm a maoist/communist sympathizer now, you should have seen me a decade ago! I've tried to stick to facts rather than emotion in this thread. If the Dalai Lama helps you to become a better person, then he has already fulfilled a purpose. I didn't mean to be so harsh... So just take my admittedly one-sided arguments against him as the result of coerced brainwashing and don't let them affect your search for truth and enlightenment.

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

SmokingGun wrote:
Reaching ≠ Made Up

Bullshit = Made Up

Not necessarily.

Continuing the Godwinian theme from the unions thread: If Penn did a 10 min segment of how much Hitler loved kittens, without mentioning the gas chambers, it would be 100% factually correct, ergo not made up.

However, I would still call it Bullshit and be entirely justified in doing so.

SmokingGun wrote:

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

SmokingGun wrote:
Reaching ≠ Made Up

Bullshit = Made Up

Not necessarily.

Continuing the Godwinian theme from the unions thread: If Penn did a 10 min segment of how much Hitler loved kittens, without mentioning the gas chambers, it would be 100% factually correct, ergo not made up.

However, I would still call it Bullshit and be entirely justified in doing so.

Hitler can love kittens and still hate Jews.

Nobody cares if President Obama took drugs as a kid!

It matters if a Repuke did because they're crazy enough to believe in talking snakes and a crazy moonbat ARAB religion!

Alien Behind Obama While Saying Im God Chroma Key

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jzBNa-b ... re=related

Skate4RnR wrote:Anyone see his rant on the Dalai Lama on the show Bullshit!? It was a great rant for someone who doesn't know a damn thing about him to push assumptions and "maybe's" to get the viewer to hate the Dalai Lama who is hands down one of the most peaceful people on the planet. For those of us that know a shit ton about him it was...such an unfortunate waste of energy to flush a humanitarian's name and life's work down the toilet. I've thought very little of the son of a bitch ever since and I was a fan my whole life.

Feel exactly the same way.

Constantine wrote:Obama is a nazi supporting, goat fucking traitor whom should be defeated asap.

And you are a French person, from France. Kill yourself please.