Two piece of shit politicians....
Neither of them are getting my vote....although on second thought, The economy is going to completely crash next year and whoever is president will get the blame even though it's been inevitable for many years.
So who do I want to get tarred and feathered...?
I can't decide..I hate both men, they are both so deserving.
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OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
Obama: "I will cut the deficit in 1/2 during my first term"
You lying sack of shit...you didn't even attempt to keep this promise! Instead you rack up 5 trillion more...
thanks Barry
You lying sack of shit...you didn't even attempt to keep this promise! Instead you rack up 5 trillion more...
thanks Barry
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
Both douchebags are owned by the same bankers
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
Tale Of The Tape
Arguably, Obama and Romney see the world pretty much the same way — in very many ways. They have at least a dozen data points in common:
1) Neither man served in the armed forces. This would be the first election without a veteran representing a major party in the race since 1944.
2) Both Obama and Romney hail from far-flung family histories. Obama's father was born in Kenya; his mother in Kansas. Romney's father was born in Mexico; his mother in Utah.
3) Both men operate from out-of-the-norm religious backgrounds. Obama, the Christian son of a Muslim father, says that his faith guides his decision-making; Romney is the Mormon son of a Mormon father. Both religious upbringings can elicit prejudice.
4) Both men earned degrees at Harvard University. Romney spent four years among the ivied towers, graduating in 1975 with a joint degree in law and business. Obama spent three years in Cambridge, graduating from Harvard Law School in 1991.
5) Both men worked in the financial sector. In 1983, Obama took a job at Business International Corp., a New York-based multinational business counseling firm, as a researcher in the financial services division. "He wasn't there long — only about a year," NPR's Scott Horsley reported in 2008. "But the job at Business International Corp. provided a crash course in market economics." Both politicians have been heavily funded by Goldman Sachs, Bloomberg reports.
Romney migrated from the banks of the Charles River to the banking world of Bain Capital, a private equity firm. "What Bain Capital did — and was among the first, if not the first, to do it — was to look at the operations before buying the company, as well as after," Romney told NPR's Ari Shapiro in 2011, "and try to figure out, how can we make it better and then help the management team to improve the company."
6) Both served, for a time, as advisers to their communities: Obama as a community organizer in Chicago; Romney as a bishop — a spiritual lay leader — in the Boston area.
7) Each man lost his first federal election. Romney lost to incumbent Ted Kennedy in a 1994 Massachusetts senatorial contest; Obama lost to incumbent Bobby Rush in a 2000 Illinois House of Representatives election.
Both men have championed comprehensive health care initiatives. Romney, when he was governor of Massachusetts and Obama as president. "Romneycare and Obamacare are essentially the same," Gingrich told ABC News.
9) Both Obama and Romney stay fit, dress sharply and look vaguely out of sync when wearing blue jeans.
10) Both occasionally laugh uncomfortably at their own humor.
11) Both have been known to lapse into song during public speaking.
12) Both are political pragmatists. "This presidential election tells us something unexpected about American politics," writes presidential historian Julian Zelizer on CNN.com. "For all the talk about polarization and discord in Washington, it appears that both parties will have pragmatic problem-solvers at the top of their tickets."
The Party Trumps All
Watching the 2012 slates materialize — bringing together two similar political figures — reminds Sabato of certain similarities between the candidates in the election of 2000. George W. Bush and Al Gore "were crown princes who had gotten as far as they did because of their fathers' successes," Sabato says. "So the parallels between Obama and Romney aren't that unusual in American politics." (Which may raise another question about the type of person who runs — and whom we nominate — for president.)
But what is different this time, Sabato says, is the political climate and the potently partisan atmosphere. The major distinction between Obama and Romney is where their support comes from — their parties.
"What they don't share politically — their party — trumps all similarities," Sabato says. "We live in a highly polarized era, and in the modern age at least, Democrats and Republicans have never had less in common on politics and policy."
The fact that Obama and Romney, left to their own devices, might well meet in the middle and find common ground, Sabato says, "is literally irrelevant. Their party bases will not permit them to do so, and their own partisan activists will go after them hard if they try to compromise too much. Or maybe at all."
Arguably, Obama and Romney see the world pretty much the same way — in very many ways. They have at least a dozen data points in common:
1) Neither man served in the armed forces. This would be the first election without a veteran representing a major party in the race since 1944.
2) Both Obama and Romney hail from far-flung family histories. Obama's father was born in Kenya; his mother in Kansas. Romney's father was born in Mexico; his mother in Utah.
3) Both men operate from out-of-the-norm religious backgrounds. Obama, the Christian son of a Muslim father, says that his faith guides his decision-making; Romney is the Mormon son of a Mormon father. Both religious upbringings can elicit prejudice.
4) Both men earned degrees at Harvard University. Romney spent four years among the ivied towers, graduating in 1975 with a joint degree in law and business. Obama spent three years in Cambridge, graduating from Harvard Law School in 1991.
5) Both men worked in the financial sector. In 1983, Obama took a job at Business International Corp., a New York-based multinational business counseling firm, as a researcher in the financial services division. "He wasn't there long — only about a year," NPR's Scott Horsley reported in 2008. "But the job at Business International Corp. provided a crash course in market economics." Both politicians have been heavily funded by Goldman Sachs, Bloomberg reports.
Romney migrated from the banks of the Charles River to the banking world of Bain Capital, a private equity firm. "What Bain Capital did — and was among the first, if not the first, to do it — was to look at the operations before buying the company, as well as after," Romney told NPR's Ari Shapiro in 2011, "and try to figure out, how can we make it better and then help the management team to improve the company."
6) Both served, for a time, as advisers to their communities: Obama as a community organizer in Chicago; Romney as a bishop — a spiritual lay leader — in the Boston area.
7) Each man lost his first federal election. Romney lost to incumbent Ted Kennedy in a 1994 Massachusetts senatorial contest; Obama lost to incumbent Bobby Rush in a 2000 Illinois House of Representatives election.
Both men have championed comprehensive health care initiatives. Romney, when he was governor of Massachusetts and Obama as president. "Romneycare and Obamacare are essentially the same," Gingrich told ABC News.9) Both Obama and Romney stay fit, dress sharply and look vaguely out of sync when wearing blue jeans.
10) Both occasionally laugh uncomfortably at their own humor.
11) Both have been known to lapse into song during public speaking.
12) Both are political pragmatists. "This presidential election tells us something unexpected about American politics," writes presidential historian Julian Zelizer on CNN.com. "For all the talk about polarization and discord in Washington, it appears that both parties will have pragmatic problem-solvers at the top of their tickets."
The Party Trumps All
Watching the 2012 slates materialize — bringing together two similar political figures — reminds Sabato of certain similarities between the candidates in the election of 2000. George W. Bush and Al Gore "were crown princes who had gotten as far as they did because of their fathers' successes," Sabato says. "So the parallels between Obama and Romney aren't that unusual in American politics." (Which may raise another question about the type of person who runs — and whom we nominate — for president.)
But what is different this time, Sabato says, is the political climate and the potently partisan atmosphere. The major distinction between Obama and Romney is where their support comes from — their parties.
"What they don't share politically — their party — trumps all similarities," Sabato says. "We live in a highly polarized era, and in the modern age at least, Democrats and Republicans have never had less in common on politics and policy."
The fact that Obama and Romney, left to their own devices, might well meet in the middle and find common ground, Sabato says, "is literally irrelevant. Their party bases will not permit them to do so, and their own partisan activists will go after them hard if they try to compromise too much. Or maybe at all."
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
What a depressing choice the American people are being presented with this year. We are at a point in our history where we desperately need a change of direction in the White House, and we are guaranteed that we are not going to get it.
The Democrats are running the worst president in American history, and the Republicans are running a guy who is almost a carbon copy of him.
The fact that about half the country is still supporting Barack Obama shows how incredibly stupid and corrupt the American people have become. No American should have ever cast a single vote for Barack Obama for any political office under any circumstances. He should never have even been the assistant superintendent in charge of janitorial supplies, much less the president of the United States.
The truth is that Barack Obama has done such a horrible job that he should immediately resign along with his entire cabinet. But instead of giving us a clear choice, the Republicans nominated the Republican that was running that was most similar to Barack Obama. In fact, I don’t think we have ever had two candidates for president that are so similar.
Yes, there are a few minor differences between them, but the truth is that we are heading into Obama’s second term no matter which one of them gets elected. The mainstream media makes it sound like Obama and Romney are bitter ideological rivals but that is a giant lie. Yeah, they are slinging lots of mud at each other, but they both play for the same team and the losers are going to be the American people.
Republicans are being told that they have “no choice” but to vote for Romney because otherwise they will get another four years of Obama.
This “lesser of two evils” theme comes out every four years. We are told that we “must” vote for a horrible candidate because the other guy is even worse.
Well, millions of Americans are getting sick of this routine. Perhaps that is why it is being projected that as many as 90 millionAmericans of voting age will not vote this year.
Yes, Barack Obama has been so horrible as president that it is hard to put it into words.
But Mitt Romney would be just like Barack Obama.
Those that are dreaming of a major change in direction if Romney is elected are going to be bitterly, bitterly disappointed.
The following are 40 ways that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are essentially the same candidate….
1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.
2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.
3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.
4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.
6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.
7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.
8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.
9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.
10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.
11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.
12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.
13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.
14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.
15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.
16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.
17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.
18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.
19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.
20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.
21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.
22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.
23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.
24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.
25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.
26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.
27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.
28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.
29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.
30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.
31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as longas the entire globe goes along with it.
32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.
33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.
34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.
35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.
37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.
38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.
39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.
40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.
The Democrats are running the worst president in American history, and the Republicans are running a guy who is almost a carbon copy of him.
The fact that about half the country is still supporting Barack Obama shows how incredibly stupid and corrupt the American people have become. No American should have ever cast a single vote for Barack Obama for any political office under any circumstances. He should never have even been the assistant superintendent in charge of janitorial supplies, much less the president of the United States.
The truth is that Barack Obama has done such a horrible job that he should immediately resign along with his entire cabinet. But instead of giving us a clear choice, the Republicans nominated the Republican that was running that was most similar to Barack Obama. In fact, I don’t think we have ever had two candidates for president that are so similar.
Yes, there are a few minor differences between them, but the truth is that we are heading into Obama’s second term no matter which one of them gets elected. The mainstream media makes it sound like Obama and Romney are bitter ideological rivals but that is a giant lie. Yeah, they are slinging lots of mud at each other, but they both play for the same team and the losers are going to be the American people.
Republicans are being told that they have “no choice” but to vote for Romney because otherwise they will get another four years of Obama.
This “lesser of two evils” theme comes out every four years. We are told that we “must” vote for a horrible candidate because the other guy is even worse.
Well, millions of Americans are getting sick of this routine. Perhaps that is why it is being projected that as many as 90 millionAmericans of voting age will not vote this year.
Yes, Barack Obama has been so horrible as president that it is hard to put it into words.
But Mitt Romney would be just like Barack Obama.
Those that are dreaming of a major change in direction if Romney is elected are going to be bitterly, bitterly disappointed.
The following are 40 ways that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are essentially the same candidate….
1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.
2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.
3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.
4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.
6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.
7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.
8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.
9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.
10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.
11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.
12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.
13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.
14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.
15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.
16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.
17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.
18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.
19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.
20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.
21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.
22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.
23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.
24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.
25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.
26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.
27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.
28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.
29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.
30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.
31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as longas the entire globe goes along with it.
32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.
33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.
34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.
35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.
37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.
38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.
39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.
40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
He did attempt to keep that promise. You don't follow current events. The Simpson-Bowles commission is mentioned frequently.Dr J Jones wrote:Obama: "I will cut the deficit in 1/2 during my first term"
You lying sack of shit...you didn't even attempt to keep this promise! Instead you rack up 5 trillion more...
thanks Barry
National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform: created in 2010 by President Barack Obama to identify "…policies to improve the fiscal situation in the medium term and to achieve fiscal sustainability over the long run."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_C ... and_Reform
So far as your idiotic comment about their donors, Romney gets 3x as much money from Wall Street according to opensecrets (the site your graphic comes from)
Top Industries Donating to Romney:
Rank Industry Total
1 Retired $26,158,558
2 Securities & Investment $11,458,384
3 Lawyers/Law Firms $6,797,107
4 Real Estate $6,501,252
5 Misc Finance $4,372,949
6 Health Professionals $4,021,411
7 Misc Business $3,254,219
8 Business Services $2,938,125
9 Commercial Banks $2,476,182
10 Oil & Gas $2,170,985
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/indus ... =N00000286
Top Industries Donating to Obama
1 Retired $27,064,772
2 Lawyers/Law Firms $15,394,219
3 Education $9,178,402
4 Health Professionals $4,976,232
5 Business Services $4,548,246
6 Securities & Investment $4,175,867
7 Computers/Internet $4,024,515
8 Women's Issues $3,852,754
9 TV/Movies/Music $3,672,455
10 Civil Servants/Public Officials $3,602,925:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/indus ... =N00009638
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OBAMA:HEALTH-CARE NEGOTIATIONS ON C-SPAN
STATEMENT: “These negotiations will be on C-SPAN, and so the public will be part of the conversation and will see the decisions that are being made.” January 20, 2008, and seven other times.
NEVER HAPPENED!
STATEMENT: “These negotiations will be on C-SPAN, and so the public will be part of the conversation and will see the decisions that are being made.” January 20, 2008, and seven other times.
NEVER HAPPENED!
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BORDER SECURITY
“We need tougher border security, and a renewed focus on busting up gangs and traffickers crossing our border. . . . That begins at home, with comprehensive immigration reform. That means securing our border and passing tough employer enforcement laws.” Then-candidate Obama, discussing the need for border security, speaking in Miami on May 23, 2008.
NEVER HAPPENED
“We need tougher border security, and a renewed focus on busting up gangs and traffickers crossing our border. . . . That begins at home, with comprehensive immigration reform. That means securing our border and passing tough employer enforcement laws.” Then-candidate Obama, discussing the need for border security, speaking in Miami on May 23, 2008.
NEVER HAPPENED
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GUANTANAMO BAY
STATEMENT: Executive order stating, “The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than one year from the date of this order.” January 22, 2009.
NEVER HAPPENED..in fact they just renovated GITMO
STATEMENT: Executive order stating, “The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than one year from the date of this order.” January 22, 2009.
NEVER HAPPENED..in fact they just renovated GITMO
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MILITARY TRIBUNALS
OBAMA STATEMENT: “Somebody like Khalid Sheik Mohammad is gonna get basically, a full military trial with all the bells and whistles.” September 27, 2006
NEVER HAPPENED
OBAMA STATEMENT: “Somebody like Khalid Sheik Mohammad is gonna get basically, a full military trial with all the bells and whistles.” September 27, 2006
NEVER HAPPENED
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OBAMA:
“Instead of allowing lobbyists to slip big corporate tax breaks into bills during the dead of night, we will make sure every single tax break and earmark is available to every American online.”
NEVER HAPPENED
Where the fucking transparency?
“Instead of allowing lobbyists to slip big corporate tax breaks into bills during the dead of night, we will make sure every single tax break and earmark is available to every American online.”
NEVER HAPPENED
Where the fucking transparency?
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OBAMA:
“Lobbyists won’t work in my White House!“
please
“Lobbyists won’t work in my White House!“
please
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“We can, then, more effectively deal with what I consider to be one of the greatest threats to the United States, to Israel, and world peace, and that is Iran,” Obama speaking to American Israel Public Affairs Committee in Chicago, March 5, 2007
“Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny . . . They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us.” – May 20, 2008
that sounds like a Mitt Romney flip flop but it was Obama
“Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny . . . They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us.” – May 20, 2008
that sounds like a Mitt Romney flip flop but it was Obama
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The Romney flip flop parade
On abortion - From "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country" to "I am firmly pro-life."
On signing a no-tax pledge -- As a gubernatorial candidate in Massachusetts, he refused to sign a pledge that he would not seek tax increases. As a presidential candidate, he signed it.
On support for Ronald Reagan's policies -- As a Senate candidate in Massachusetts, he distanced himself from Reagan. As a presidential candidate, he's embraced the Gipper.
Mitt Happens...he IS my favorite liberal
On abortion - From "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country" to "I am firmly pro-life."
On signing a no-tax pledge -- As a gubernatorial candidate in Massachusetts, he refused to sign a pledge that he would not seek tax increases. As a presidential candidate, he signed it.
On support for Ronald Reagan's policies -- As a Senate candidate in Massachusetts, he distanced himself from Reagan. As a presidential candidate, he's embraced the Gipper.
Mitt Happens...he IS my favorite liberal
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They are renovating the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base. That is a separate facility than the detention center. Learn the difference. http://www.cnic.navy.mil/guantanamo/Dr J Jones wrote:GUANTANAMO BAY
STATEMENT: Executive order stating, “The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than one year from the date of this order.” January 22, 2009.
NEVER HAPPENED..in fact they just renovated GITMO
You need to learn the difference between the budget deficit and the national debt too.Dr J Jones wrote:Obama: "I will cut the deficit in 1/2 during my first term"
You lying sack of shit...you didn't even attempt to keep this promise! Instead you rack up 5 trillion more...
thanks Barry
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I stand corrected on the renovation statement..thanks
But did they close GITMO?
NO
Obama is a failure
Romney will be a failure
Garbage in = Garbage out
But did they close GITMO?
NO
Obama is a failure
Romney will be a failure
Garbage in = Garbage out
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You need to be specific as GITMO refers to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the Navy base there and the detention center also there. No, they did not close the naval base and they won't as long as it still pisses off the Cubans. If you are referring to the detention center, you should ask why Congress keeps passing laws blocking the US government agencies from spending money to transfer detainees anywhere else. It's hard to close the place when there is no way to empty it. It's almost like they're setting up Obama to fail.Dr J Jones wrote:I stand corrected on the renovation statement..thanks
But did they close GITMO?
NO
Who would be better? Ron Paul?Dr J Jones wrote:Obama is a failure
Romney will be a failure
Garbage in = Garbage out
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I just want someone who is not owned by the bankers or controlled by the Military Industrial complex.
I'll let you pick...
I'll let you pick...
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
Who do you suggest? This is not a rhetorical question, in case you are a monumental cretin like Moggio.Dr J Jones wrote:I just want someone who is not owned by the bankers or controlled by the Military Industrial complex.
I'll let you pick...
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
Bingo... Bingo... BINGO!!!!!Dr J Jones wrote:I stand corrected on the renovation statement..thanks
But did they close GITMO?
NO
Obama is a failure
Romney will be a failure
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
Danzig in the Dark wrote: You need to be specific as GITMO refers to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the Navy base there and the detention center also there. No, they did not close the naval base and they won't as long as it still pisses off the Cubans. If you are referring to the detention center, you should ask why Congress keeps passing laws blocking the US government agencies from spending money to transfer detainees anywhere else. It's hard to close the place when there is no way to empty it. It's almost like they're setting up Obama to fail.
This is a tired Obama Administration talking point. The whole point of closing Gitmo was that it housed prisoners for 10 years with no charges being brought forth and no indication that there would be any due process. The contention of where the detainees are housed is irrelevant and is a red herring fallacy. Blaming Congress for denying money to transfer them to another facility where the treatment would be the same is ludicrous, to say the least. And the contention that President Obama really wants to close Gitmo but he's being prevented is so deliberately false that it borders on propaganda. Obama's Justice Department (like Bush previously) maintains that the prisoners at Gitmo have no legal rights and proclaim they will be housed in "prolonged detention". And that's not just at Gitmo, but anywhere an "enemy combatant" is detained.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/us/po ... etain.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/washi ... ram&st=cse
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
This is how it is done, Dr J Jones.SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:Danzig in the Dark wrote: You need to be specific as GITMO refers to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the Navy base there and the detention center also there. No, they did not close the naval base and they won't as long as it still pisses off the Cubans. If you are referring to the detention center, you should ask why Congress keeps passing laws blocking the US government agencies from spending money to transfer detainees anywhere else. It's hard to close the place when there is no way to empty it. It's almost like they're setting up Obama to fail.
This is a tired Obama Administration talking point. The whole point of closing Gitmo was that it housed prisoners for 10 years with no charges being brought forth and no indication that there would be any due process. The contention of where the detainees are housed is irrelevant and is a red herring fallacy. Blaming Congress for denying money to transfer them to another facility where the treatment would be the same is ludicrous, to say the least. And the contention that President Obama really wants to close Gitmo but he's being prevented is so deliberately false that it borders on propaganda. Obama's Justice Department (like Bush previously) maintains that the prisoners at Gitmo have no legal rights and proclaim they will be housed in "prolonged detention". And that's not just at Gitmo, but anywhere an "enemy combatant" is detained.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/us/po ... etain.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/washi ... ram&st=cse
Now back to "How Romney and Obama will fail... but Ron Paul will be different."
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Re: OBAMA vs ROMNEY 2012
That would be Ron Paul.Dr J Jones wrote:I just want someone who is not owned by the bankers or controlled by the Military Industrial complex.
I'll let you pick...
You're welcome.
Btw, you're my new favourite poster! I LOVE this thread!
Keep up the good work, young jedi!
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Because of Obamination's spending & socialist BS, America and much of the world will endure one of the worst depressions in history in 5...4...3...2...
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