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Anyone watch the debate? What do you think?

I think Romney whipped O's ass, but missed some key moments to kill him on doing nothing positive in FOUR YEARS. Unless you consider transfering 20% of the GDP from the free markets to govt. a win. In that case he has kicked ass. Yet, he doesn't really seem to be running on that does he?

Any of you usuall suspects want to make a case for Obama winning tonight?

At first I thought there was no discussion because the board took a shit, but now I think after the ass whipping that even many prominent democrats admit that Obama took, that maybe the war board libs had a suicide pact.

Love this...


The president looked peeved and flat as he carried a conversation, for the first time in four years, with somebody telling him he’s wrong.

The former Massachusetts governor also reminded voters repeatedly that the president has not lived up to promises he made four years ago. After Obama vowed to reduce the deficit in a second term, Romney replied, "You've been president four years."



http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-pre ... y-20121003

Chris Matthews almost shits himself over Romney's COMPLETE OWNAGE of Obama last night...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re5e9CFmMic

tylamonroe wrote:Anyone watch the debate? What do you think?

I think Romney whipped O's ass, but missed some key moments to kill him on doing nothing positive in FOUR YEARS. Unless you consider transfering 20% of the GDP from the free markets to govt. a win. In that case he has kicked ass. Yet, he doesn't really seem to be running on that does he?

Any of you usuall suspects want to make a case for Obama winning tonight?

The unamerican traitor got fkn slayed!!!!



War on women,
War on fuel,
War on America,
What are we to do?

Fast and Furious,
And Benghazi too.
Several are dead,
Because of you.

Splitting the country,
In more ways than one.
You won't be happy,
Until you have won.

Wasted tax dollars,
Right down the drain
.And you want more,
You are inflicting such pain.

On November the sixth,
I will cast my vote.
And I hope and pray,
This is far as it goes.

I am a proud veteran,
Who went to Viet Nam.
And I will not bury,
My head in the sand.

To "The Messiah" Obama,
You must go.
For the good of the country,
God please make it so.

There's a lot of overreaction here! The President needed to hold his own as the incumbent and he did that.

The President was also right on that the main feature of Romney's plan is tax cuts for the rich which IT IS! That never has worked and never will get us anywhere!

I didn't see it.

The consensus seems to be that Romney stole the show, the Prez was flat, and Leher was owned by everyone.

Color me impressed.

Will it matter?

Reagan came off as practically senile against Mondale in 1984 and it's not like it changed anything.

This was the strategy they had last time around - "In the lead so just take it easy and it counts as a win." Maybe that worked when he was just a state senator but as Prez you gotta raise your game up a bit.

Not only that but Gore and Kerry beat Bush in some key areas in the debates but Bush won both times!

The vast majority of the electorate has already decided! Romney needs to win too many swing states while the President only needs 5 or 6 of 12 to win!

The President starts off with a big advantage when the west coast and northeast are already solidly in his corner!

tylamonroe wrote:doing nothing positive in FOUR YEARS.

LMFAO, that explains why Romney came into the debate as an underdog.

Fact is Obama has cleaned up quite a bit of the mess created by the policies Romney is proposing.

Go ahead and explain how Romney's proposals will boost economic growth.

He promised 12 million jobs in 4 years. The economy is expected to generate that without any change in policy. He said during the 47% speech that his policies can't help anyone who won't benefit from a tax cut. Now last night he said nobody is getting a tax cut unless you are a small business owner who files as an individual. Fact is that does not even make sense. A small business owner filing as an individual gets the same tax deductions as an employee.

There is no substance to anything he said last night. He's promising to increase defense spending, no tax hikes, increased Medicare spending, and reducing the deficit by "growth." It's a pipe dream.

tylamonroe wrote:Unless you consider transfering 20% of the GDP from the free markets to govt. a win. In that case he has kicked ass. Yet, he doesn't really seem to be running on that does he?

Tax revenue has never been above 15.4% of GDP under Obama. Tax revenue as a percentage of GDP is lowest it has been since 1950.

2009: 15.1%
2010: 15.1%
2011: 15.4%
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... st02z3.xls

brotherplanet wrote: The former Massachusetts governor also reminded voters repeatedly that the president has not lived up to promises he made four years ago. After Obama vowed to reduce the deficit in a second term, Romney replied, "You've been president four years."

Obama dropped the balls there. He should have quoted Romney from the 2012 convention. Romney said cutting govt spending kills jobs. Obama should have explained to the idiots that you do not try to reduce the deficit when the economy is not at full employment.

"His trillion dollar cuts to our military will eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs and also put our security at greater risk."

President Obama was very energized and got the crowd going at a rally in Denver today.

This stupid debate will be forgotten soon enough with 3 more debates coming up.

The intrade gamblers were obviously not very impressed with Romney. He's down 2.4 points today, Obama is up 2 points.

Barack Obama
68.9%
Today's Change: +2.0
Shares Traded: 1,373,533

Mitt Romney
31.0%
Today's Change: -2.4
Shares Traded: 1,498,322

Look I know all the Romney fans are screaming MITT WON, but he seemed a little crackhead-y to me. And the news sites are having a picnic on Romney with all the myths or LIES as I like to call them that he told. Those fact-checker organizations are going to do him in. Go look on your Facebook page too, it's comedy gold. Somebody on the Romney team should really check his speeches for lies before they turn him loose.

Bighole wrote:Look I know all the Romney fans are screaming MITT WON, but he seemed a little crackhead-y to me. And the news sites are having a picnic on Romney with all the myths or LIES as I like to call them that he told. Those fact-checker organizations are going to do him in. Go look on your Facebook page too, it's comedy gold. Somebody on the Romney team should really check his speeches for lies before they turn him loose.

It's a bit reminiscent of Dan Quayle vs. Al Gore in 1992.

Everybody remembered the horrific beating Quayle took vs. Bensten in 1988, so this time, he came out on the attack. He came off as a brat on laughing gas, and the Republicans declared victory against the low-key Gore.

Polls: Kerry won debate
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-10-03/poli ... LLPOLITICS
October 03, 2004
A majority of Americans believe Sen. John Kerry won the first presidential debate of the 2004 campaign, putting him in a virtual tie with President Bush, according to polls released Saturday by Newsweek and the Los Angeles Times.

Newsweek reported that Thursday's debate in Miami, Florida, had "erased the lead" that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have held over Kerry and running mate Sen. John Edwards since the Republican National Convention in New York.

Newsweek's post-convention poll had Bush leading among registered voters 54 percent to 43 percent. Its post-debate poll had 47 percent choosing Kerry-Edwards, and 45 percent for Bush-Cheney. Two percent said they would vote for Ralph Nader and his running mate, Peter Camejo.


Polls agree Kerry won debate
By Mark Mellman - 10/05/04 08:00 PM ET
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/m ... won-debate
It’s awfully rare in this era of 50-50 politics — a clean, clear, decisive and overwhelming victory. Yet that is exactly what John Kerry earned Thursday in Miami. His strength, conviction and command of the issues connected with the more than 62 million viewers — the largest number since 1984.

For a change, the polls agree with one another. They all revealed the breadth and depth of Kerry’s win. Gallup respondents called it for Kerry, 53 percent to 37 percent. Kerry won swing independents by more than 2-to-1. It was the largest number picking a winner in a first debate in 20 years.

In the Los Angeles Times poll, 54 percent selected Kerry as the winner, with 15 percent opting for Bush. Newsweek said it was 61 percent to 19 percent. According to CBS, Kerry won 43 percent to 28 percent. ABC gave Kerry the win, 45 percent to 36 percent, with a 20-point victory among independents. Both women and men, and younger and older voters, called Kerry the winner.

Kerry’s victory was deeper, however. His image improved among debate watchers. More than half in the CBS poll said their opinion of him changed for the better. Kerry was better-liked personally than Bush (56 percent Bush, 61 percent Kerry). Sixty-one percent said they trusted Kerry to protect us from attack — a 15-point jump.

More than half said Kerry had a clear plan for dealing with Iraq — 13 points higher than for Bush.

Newsweek’s poll showed Kerry’s favorables increasing by a net of eight points. Bush’s rating actually declined by a net of five points. Kerry was also viewed as the stronger leader, the more likeable person and the most confident.

In Gallup’s post-debate survey, 46 percent said they became more favorable toward Kerry, with just 13 percent saying less favorable. That is the biggest margin Gallup has recorded for a debate in a dozen years. For Bush, the two numbers were close to equal. Twenty-one percent reported that their opinion of Bush had improved, while 17 percent said it had become less favorable.

Voters said Kerry showed stronger character than Bush, according to the Los Angeles Times, which also reported twice as many voters saying Kerry was more effective in getting his message across. By a 38-point margin, voters said Kerry responded better under pressure than did Bush.

The Democracy Corps/Knowledge Networks survey revealed an 11-point net shift in the number who said Kerry cared about people like them; a 17-point shift on strong leadership; a 22-point gain on Iraq.

Perhaps most important, Kerry’s victory margin has increased since the debate. In 2000, those who were interviewed just after the first debate were slightly more likely to give Gore the win. Within a few days, the interpretation had changed dramatically. Bush was the clear winner.

This time Kerry has not only maintained but actually expanded his margin of debate victory. Gallup found Kerry’s margin increasing from 16 points to 31 points a few days later. ABC said Kerry’s margin widened from nine points to 29 points in just three days.

Half as many people watched the debate as saw the convention speeches. When voters actually see Kerry in an unfiltered forum, they respond to him in a strong, positive way. Kerry’s strength, conviction and ability were on clear display Thursday night.

Winning a debate and winning an election are two different things. But Kerry watchers know he is a strong closer. With his compelling debate performance, the momentum has shifted decisively in Kerry’s favor.

Electoral vote
Bush 286 50.7%
Kerry 251 48.3%

Can someone explain to me how Romneycare aka Obamacare is somehow "big government takeover" at the Federal level but magically not at the State level? The fucking Conservatives are so fucking schizophrenic, it's frightening.

Hey, Romney came out swinging. I'm glad too, makes it so much better.

Bill Maher fans will like this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX5ymKSlPGo