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This isn't the year that the Gore/Bush election happened. Back then we weren't a country on the edge... Back then people were pissed but civil... Back then a whole hell of a lot more people had jobs. Back then the number of people on Food Stamps wasn't record breaking. Not sure about this time... People are angrier.

If you think there's going to be rioting don't just pick on the other side because you don't like them... That doesn't make any sense.

On the Right... We've got some really angry people who somehow think their America is being taken away from them.

On the Left... We've got people who think if you're against Obama you must be a racist and they might have a knee jerk reaction if he loses.

Which thread?

Some have said that we are already in a civil war, it just hasn't gotten violent yet. I tend to agree with that. I can't believe I am actually capable of hating someone for having a different view than mine, but I have discovered I totaly am.

We are at a cross roads like never before in our lifetime. The choice is between government socialism, like what is failing in Europe right now and a return to free market principlas. I have no doubt there will be at least some small scale rioting no matter which side wins in November. At least people still give a fuck. That is at least something.

What drives me up a wall is all this "the sky is falling" bullshit. People either have really short memories or failed their American history classes in high school and college.

Say what you will BP but there is a real issue with race for a lot of white people and Obama. I know a number of white people, some I'm even related to sadly, who are out of their fucking mind that we actually have a black guy in the White House. If that's not racist on some level, I don't know what is.

brotherplanet wrote:Which thread?

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=278279

Tommy2Tone84 wrote: If that's not racist on some level, I don't know what is.

Really? You don't know what is? You don't think there is anything about this guy that conservatives would hate if he were more white than Wally Cleaver?

Take a few minutes to think about it. I'll give you a hint. A lot of the same things that they hated Clinton for they hate Obama for. Problem is, Clinton was willing to work to a centrist consesus. Despite all the claims from the left that Obama has worked to reach out to the right. Its bullshit. If you don't believe me ask Pelosi.

I am so sick of the racist cat calls from people who don't seem bright enough to tie a fucking shoe.

I'm sure you can always find one or two. And I can find a Kanye West for every one of them. I think most of us, on either side of the aisle are above that.

tylamonroe wrote:The choice is between government socialism, like what is failing in Europe right now and a return to free market principlas.

LMFAO, you are incredibly stupid. You watch too much Fox News. What failed in Spain and Ireland was poorly regulated banks, not "socialism."

Romney said he believes in regulations. He said he is not cutting the socialist programs called Medicare and Social Security. He's going to get rid of regulations on Wall Street and the oil companies. He sells that to dumb schmucks like you by calling it a "return to free market principles."

The welfare state expanded under Obama because only 39,000 jobs added to the private sector from Oct 1998 to Feb 2010.

Private sector employment (thousands)
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
Oct 1998: 106734
Feb 2010: 106773

tylamonroe wrote:Problem is, Clinton was willing to work to a centrist consesus. Despite all the claims from the left that Obama has worked to reach out to the right. Its bullshit. If you don't believe me ask Pelosi.

Obama has been more conservative than Clinton. The health care mandate was the conservative alternative to Hillarycare and the Clinton administration rejected it.

Clinton raised taxes in 93. Obama merely wants a partial return to the rates after Clinton cut the capital gains rate in 97.

On defense, Obama is more conservative.

You're a joke.

birtherplanet wrote:Back then the number of people on Food Stamps wasn't record breaking.

In 1992, 2004 and 2008, the number on food stamps was "record breaking."

The number living below poverty increased 17% during Bush's first term.

Number living below poverty:
2000 21,645,000
2004 25,327,000

Huge increase in poverty and the food stamp rolls during Bush's first term. Kerry lost, no rioting.

Stoner wrote:

brotherplanet wrote:Which thread?

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=278279

Ahh yeah... I didn't want to focus on just Obama supporters. There are nuts on both sides.

Tommy2Tone84 wrote:What drives me up a wall is all this "the sky is falling" bullshit. People either have really short memories or failed their American history classes in high school and college.

Say what you will BP but there is a real issue with race for a lot of white people and Obama. I know a number of white people, some I'm even related to sadly, who are out of their fucking mind that we actually have a black guy in the White House. If that's not racist on some level, I don't know what is.

No doubt, and of course there are racists on both sides. Some who will vote for Obama because he is black and some who will vote against Obama because he is black.

You're also right about the whole "the sky is falling" crap. Somehow every election is always "The Most Important Election of our Lifetime," and if we don't vote for the right person everyone we know will die or some shit like that.

brotherplanet wrote: No doubt, and of course there are racists on both sides. Some who will vote for Obama because he is black and some who will vote against Obama because he is black.

LMFAO @ Romney being the victim of racism.

brotherplanet wrote: You're also right about the whole "the sky is falling" crap. Somehow every election is always "The Most Important Election of our Lifetime," and if we don't vote for the right person everyone we know will die or some shit like that.

LMFAO @ criticizing exaggeration and then exaggerating. Post a link to anyone saying everyone you will know will die. This election is more important than most. In retrospect, the 2000 election was probably the most important since it will take at least a decade to recover from the Baby Bush presidency.

So far as people dying, fact is Romney is promising a 1.3 million dollar cut to Medicaid so children and seniors will die from lack of health care under Romney. About 1/3 of medicaid recipients are seniors.

"The welfare state expanded under Obama because only 39,000 jobs added to the private sector from Oct 1998 to Feb 2010.

Private sector employment (thousands)
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
Oct 1998: 106734
Feb 2010: 106773
"

Hey Joey, you like and charts and graphs. Would you be so kind as to Break this down for us, year by year, and show us where the job numbers got so bad?

tylamonroe wrote:"The welfare state expanded under Obama because only 39,000 jobs added to the private sector from Oct 1998 to Feb 2010.

Private sector employment (thousands)
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
Oct 1998: 106734
Feb 2010: 106773
"

Hey Joey, you like and charts and graphs. Would you be so kind as to Break this down for us, year by year, and show us where the job numbers got so bad?

You asked for it.

DEATH ROW JOE wrote:

brotherplanet wrote: No doubt, and of course there are racists on both sides. Some who will vote for Obama because he is black and some who will vote against Obama because he is black.

LMFAO @ Romney being the victim of racism.

So you don't believe anyone would vote for Obama because he's black?

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

tylamonroe wrote:"The welfare state expanded under Obama because only 39,000 jobs added to the private sector from Oct 1998 to Feb 2010.

Private sector employment (thousands)
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
Oct 1998: 106734
Feb 2010: 106773
"

Hey Joey, you like and charts and graphs. Would you be so kind as to Break this down for us, year by year, and show us where the job numbers got so bad?

You asked for it.

Yeah, but I am curious...

My guess would be year over growth starting about 6 months after 9/11 and continuing untill sometime in 2007 with a devastating drop in 2007/2008 that may very well have erased any gains.

Here is a snipit from an article in Forbes from back in June that is pretty unbiased in comparing numbers back to Regan. I'd like to see his spin on it. The rest of the article can be found at;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrar ... amanomics/

"While Obama likes to claim 4.3 million new jobs created, total jobs by May, 2012 were still over half a million less than in January, 2009 when he entered office. Even George Bush oversaw 52 consecutive months of job growth, including 8 million new jobs created after his 2003 capital gains and dividends tax rate cuts became effective (which Obama is dedicated to reversing).

Besides the 12.7 million Americans still unemployed last month, another 8.1 million were employed part-time for economic reasons. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) says, “These individuals were working part-time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job.” The BLS further reports that another 2.4 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force, up from 2.2 million a year earlier.” (Further downward spiral). The BLS explains, “These individuals were not in the labor force, wanted and were available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the prior 4 weeks

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

tylamonroe wrote:"The welfare state expanded under Obama because only 39,000 jobs added to the private sector from Oct 1998 to Feb 2010.

Private sector employment (thousands)
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
Oct 1998: 106734
Feb 2010: 106773
"

Hey Joey, you like and charts and graphs. Would you be so kind as to Break this down for us, year by year, and show us where the job numbers got so bad?

You asked for it.