Keep it classy O.

[tylamonroe]

The guy just keeps finding ways to look more presidential. Impressive.


Obama describes Romney as 'a bulls***ter' in Rolling Stone magazine interview



By Toby Harnden In Las Vegas

PUBLISHED:10:48 EST, 25 October 2012| UPDATED: 16:13 EST, 25 October 2012

When asked whether he had a message for a six-year-old supporter, President Barack Obama took the opportunity to describe his opponent Mitt Romney as 'a bulls***ter'.

The extraordinary comment - most mainstream media outlets decline to print such a word - came at the end of an interview with 'Rolling Stone' when Obama was asked one of the softest softball questions ever lobbed at him.





Coarse: Many newspapers wouldn't even print the word used by Obama, pictured here on the campaign trail in Richmond, Virginia





As he left the Oval Office, Eric Bates, executive editor of 'Rolling Stone', told Obama that he had asked his six-year-old if there was anything she wanted him to say to the president and she had responded: 'Tell him: You can do it.'

According to Bates, Obama grinned and said: 'You know, kids have good instincts. They look at the other guy and say, "Well, that's a bull***tter, I can tell."'


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[Stoner]

Really? The word "bullshitter"?

For fuck's sake, tuck your pristine labia back in your panties.

[DEATH ROW JOE]

extraordinary comment? Romney is a bullshitter. On Nov 6th, it catches up to him.

Pants on fire lies
http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... ants-fire/

Other lies:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... ing/false/

[tylamonroe]

Really? The word "bullshitter"?

For fuck's sake, tuck your pristine labia back in your panties.

Yeah, I get really offended by bad words. They are naughty and shouldn't be said...

You really think thats the way the POTUS should speak in an interview? Whatever. Peggy Noonan wrote a great piece about how he has shown who he is lately, and people are noticing.

Here it is;

We all say Ohio, Ohio, Ohio. But it's all still Denver, Denver, and the mystery that maybe isn't a mystery at all.

If Cincinnati and Lake County go for Mitt Romney on Nov. 6 it will be because of what happened in Denver on Oct. 3. If Barack Obama barely scrapes through, if there's a bloody and prolonged recount, it too will be because of Denver.


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Nothing echoes out like that debate. It was the moment that allowed Mr. Romney to break through, that allowed dismay with the incumbent to coalesce, that allowed voters to consider the alternative. What the debate did to the president is what the Yankees' 0-4 series against the Tigers did at least momentarily, to the team's relationship with their city. "Dear Yankees, We don't date losers. Signed, New Yorkers" read the Post's headline.

America doesn't date losers either.

Why was the first debate so toxic for the president? Because the one thing he couldn't do if he was going to win the election is let all the pent-up resentment toward him erupt. Americans had gotten used to him as The President. Whatever his policy choices, whatever general direction he seemed to put in place he was The President, a man who had gotten there through natural gifts and what all politicians need, good fortune.

What he couldn't do was present himself, when everyone was looking, as smaller than you thought. Petulant, put upon, above it all, full of himself. He couldn't afford to make himself look less impressive than the challenger in terms of command, grasp of facts, size.

But that's what he did.

And in some utterly new way the president was revealed, exposed. All the people whose job it is to surround and explain him, to act as his buffers and protectors—they weren't there. It was him on the stage, alone with a competitor. He didn't have a teleprompter, and so his failure seemed to underscore the cliché that the prompter is a kind of umbilical cord for him, something that provides nourishment, the thing he needs to sound good. He is not by any means a stupid man but he has become a boring one; he drones, he is predictable, it's never new. The teleprompter adds substance, or at least safety.

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A great and assumed question, the one that's still floating out there, is what exactly happened when Mr. Obama did himself in? What led to it?

Was it the catastrophic execution of an arguably sound strategy? Perhaps the idea was to show the president was so unimpressed by his challenger that he could coolly keep him at bay by not engaging. Maybe Mr. Obama's handlers advised: "The American people aren't impressed by this flip-flopping, outsourcing plutocrat, and you will deepen your bond with the American people, Mr. President, by expressing in your bearing, through your manner and language, how unimpressed you are, too." So he sat back and let Mr. Romney come forward. Mr. But Romney was poised, knowledgable, presidential. It was a mistake to let that come forward!

Peggy Noonan's Blog
Daily declarations from the Wall Street Journal columnist.
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Was it the catastrophic execution of a truly bad strategy? Maybe they assumed the election was already pretty much in the bag, don't sweat it, just be your glitteringly brilliant self and let Duncan the Wonder Horse go out there and turn people off. But nothing was in the bag. The sheer number of people who watched—a historic 70 million—suggests a lot of voters were still making up their minds.

Maybe the president himself didn't think he could possibly be beaten because he's so beloved. Presidents are always given good news, to keep their spirits up. The poll numbers he'd been seeing, the get-out-the-vote reports, the extraordinary Internet effort to connect with every lonely person in America, which is a lot of persons—maybe everything he was hearing left him thinking his position was impregnable.

But maybe these questions are all off. Maybe what happened isn't a mystery at all.

That, anyway, is the view expressed this week by a member of the U.S. Senate who served there with Mr Obama and has met with him in the White House. People back home, he said, sometimes wonder what happened with the president in the debate. The senator said, I paraphrase: I sort of have to tell them that it wasn't a miscalculation or a weird moment. I tell them: I know him, and that was him. That guy on the stage, that's the real Obama.

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Which gets us to Bob Woodward's "The Price of Politics," published last month. The portrait it contains of Mr. Obama—of a president who is at once over his head, out of his depth and wholly unaware of the fact—hasn't received the attention it deserves. Throughout the book, which is a journalistic history of the president's key economic negotiations with Capitol Hill, Mr. Obama is portrayed as having the appearance and presentation of an academic or intellectual while being strangely clueless in his reading of political situations and dynamics. He is bad at negotiating—in fact doesn't know how. His confidence is consistently greater than his acumen, his arrogance greater than his grasp.

He misread his Republican opponents from day one. If he had been large-spirited and conciliatory he would have effectively undercut them, and kept them from uniting. (If he'd been large-spirited with Mr. Romney, he would have undercut him, too.) Instead he was toughly partisan, he shut them out, and positions hardened. In time Republicans came to think he doesn't really listen, doesn't really hear. So did some Democrats. Business leaders and mighty CEOs felt patronized: After inviting them to meet with him, the president read from a teleprompter and included the press. They felt like "window dressing." One spoke of Obama's surface polish and essential remoteness. In negotiation he did not cajole, seduce, muscle or win sympathy. He instructed. He claimed deep understanding of his adversaries and their motives but was often incorrect. He told staffers that John Boehner, one of 11 children of a small-town bar owner, was a "country club Republican." He was often patronizing, which in the old and accomplished is irritating but in the young and inexperienced is infuriating. "Boehner said he hated going down to the White House to listen to what amounted to presidential lectures," Mr. Woodward writes.

Mr. Obama's was a White House that had—and showed—no respect for Republicans trying to negotiate with Republicans. Through it all he was confident—"Eric, don't call my bluff"—because he believed, as did his staff, that his talents would save the day.

They saved nothing. Washington became immobilized.

Mr. Woodward's portrait of the president is not precisely new—it has been drawn in other ways in other accounts, and has been a staple of D.C. gossip for three years now—but it is vivid and believable. And there's probably a direct line between that portrait and the Obama seen in the first debate. Maybe that's what made it so indelible, and such an arc-changer.

People saw for the first time an Obama they may have heard about on radio or in a newspaper but had never seen.

They didn't see some odd version of the president. They saw the president.

And they didn't like what they saw, and that would linger.

[DEATH ROW JOE]

Peggy Noonan wrote a great piece about how he has shown who he is lately, and people are noticing.

People noticed what Romney said as well. That is why Colin Powell endorsed Obama today. Bush's former Secretary of State called Romney a bullshiter with no economic plan.

Powell said he had the “utmost respect” for Mitt Romney but was concerned about his shifting foreign policies. “The governor who was speaking on Monday night at the debate was saying things that were quite different from what he’s said earlier, so I’m not quite sure what Governor Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy,” he said.

He also took issue with Romney’s economic proposals. “As I listen to what his proposals are especially with respect to dealing with our most significant issue, the economy, it’s essentially let’s cut taxes and compensate for that with other things. But that compensation does not cover all of the cuts intended or the new expenses associated with defense,” he said.

[tylamonroe]

No surprise. He endorsed him in 08 as well.

At least Romney hasn't been caught on a hot mic telling the Russians to wait to negotiate untill after the elections when there would be more flexibility.

[Danzig in the Dark]

No surprise. He endorsed him in 08 as well.

At least Romney hasn't been caught on a hot mic telling the Russians to wait to negotiate untill after the elections when there would be more flexibility.

No. He just threatens them.

[tylamonroe]

No surprise. He endorsed him in 08 as well.

At least Romney hasn't been caught on a hot mic telling the Russians to wait to negotiate untill after the elections when there would be more flexibility.

No. He just threatens them.

Worked for Reagan. How did O do on that comprehensive immigration reform he promised? I don't keep up with the news.

[Stoner]

You really think thats the way the POTUS should speak in an interview?

When talking about a bullshitter?

Absolutely.

You sound like my grandma.

[tylamonroe]

You really think thats the way the POTUS should speak in an interview?

When talking about a bullshitter?

Absolutely.

You sound like my grandma.

I'm sure she is very proud of you.

[Stoner]

Why don't you ask her? She posts here as NeonKnite.

[tylamonroe]

Why don't you ask her? She posts here as NeonKnite.

Should I let her know you are a socialist dipshit or is that cat already out of the bag?

How's the job search going?

[Stoner]

Yeah, I'm the dipshit here.

Why would I look for a job? My old man is making enough that I don't have to go back to work and I can just go to school full-time.

Gelus?

[tylamonroe]

Yeah, I'm the dipshit here.

Why would I look for a job? My old man is making enough that I don't have to go back to work and I can just go to school full-time.

Gelus?

Maybe a little, but the 47% crack starts to seem a little less offensive to me, and who knows who else?.

[Stoner]

Hey man, if it's good enough for Anne Romney, it's good enough for me.

[tylamonroe]

Hey man, if it's good enough for Anne Romney, it's good enough for me.

Great, so we can agree that a woman's place is in the home. Glad we got that taken care of.

[Stoner]

Honestly I think it would be great if every family had this option, assuming they wanted it.

It's been great for my family.

[tylamonroe]

Honestly I think it would be great if every family had this option, assuming they wanted it.

It's been great for my family.

I can't argue with that. I was among the last to grow up in a home when at least mom was always home and I'm forever thankful.

We probably have different ways of getting there, but I'd love to see a USA that got there by paying less taxes and let families have a shot at the life I grew up in.

[Stoner]

Petty flame wars aside, I work in health care - I couldn't swing a dead cat around without it hitting a job opening in my field.

The original plan was to just hunker down and get my degree in the next 18 months, but it's been working out so well for our family, there's been no hurry or real need. I have two pre-teen girls that I need to be around for more than ever, and my old man is happy that he gets to eat before 8pm for the first time in 10 years. The funny thing is that I always swore that I'd rather die than be a stay at home mom, but now that I'm afforded that luxury, I love it. I'm available to my family, and I'm not having meltdowns every other day from trying to juggle work, family, and school.

Honestly, the only thing that's changed is that I don't get to go to Sephora once a week and we don't have $200 meals as often. It might get a little tight during the winter when his work slows down, but we've actually got a pretty comfortable savings for the first time in our lives, so we should be good. Once I get my license, I'll probably only go back to working a few days a week - the whole reason I even went back to school in the first place is so I don't have to work 5 days a week anymore and could focus on my family.

I know that may not sound very "modern" or whatever they call it these days, but there's no denying the positive impact of my being able to be in the home more often has had on my family. I feel like we are doing things right for the first time in a long time.

[tylamonroe]

Petty flame wars aside, I work in health care - I couldn't swing a dead cat around without it hitting a job opening in my field.

The original plan was to just hunker down and get my degree in the next 18 months, but it's been working out so well for our family, there's been no hurry or real need. I have two pre-teen girls that I need to be around for more than ever, and my old man is happy that he gets to eat before 8pm for the first time in 10 years. The funny thing is that I always swore that I'd rather die than be a stay at home mom, but now that I'm afforded that luxury, I love it. I'm available to my family, and I'm not having meltdowns every other day from trying to juggle work, family, and school.



Honestly, the only thing that's changed is that I don't get to go to Sephora once a week and we don't have $200 meals as often. It might get a little tight during the winter when his work slows down, but we've actually got a pretty comfortable savings for the first time in our lives, so we should be good. Once I get my license, I'll probably only go back to working a few days a week - the whole reason I even went back to school in the first place is so I don't have to work 5 days a week anymore and could focus on my family.

I know that may not sound very "modern" or whatever they call it these days, but there's no denying the positive impact of my being able to be in the home more often has had on my family. I feel like we are doing things right for the first time in a long time.

We aren't flame waring, we are just sparing MS is a place I feel comfortable letting my asshole flag fly. I assume you feel the same. We both grew up eating Skyline Chilli and paying the price for that should be enough to forgive us any sins.

I think its great that you found that kind of peace. Now you just to deal with the fact that people like me and Dr. Laura (she is a bitch) have been closer to the mark for years than you would ever want to admit

[Stoner]

Don't push it.

Honestly, I feel very lucky that my life has unfolded the way it has. I didn't become a parent until I was 32 (and I got to do it without being pregnant - woo hoo!), so I was able to be an irresponsible piece of shit in my early to mid 20's, and then still had time to get my shit together, get an education and have a career before having to do the 2.5 kids thing. When I first lost my job, I was fucking DEVASTATED - partly because I made damn good money, but mostly because I didn't KNOW any other way of living. Now that the dust has settled and I've found my domestic groove, I realize just how lucky I am to be in a position that most working mothers would kill for - I have more time to run an efficient household, focus on family, AND further my education, all with and because of the support of a great man. Still, I don't know that I would be so "YAY DOMESTIC SERVITUDE!" had I never had those experiences, and I have the utmost respect for women who don't have a choice but to work, sometimes more than one job, to provide for their families.

When I first took custody of my girls, I busted my fucking ass trying to give them the best of everything to try to make up for them starting off at a deficit. But now I realize that those aren't the things that make for a good childhood - it's them having access to me, and me being aware of what is happening in their lives, ESPECIALLY now as they are entering their teens. It was actually my old man that convinced to hold off from looking for a job right away and to see how me being at home worked out. I was initially resistant, because I like having disposable income, but also because I was really afraid that he would be resentful that the financial burden would be solely on his shoulders. Oddly enough, he seems to relish it - he says it makes him feel good that he's able to support his family in the traditional sense, and he likes coming home to a clean house, a hot meal, and a wife with make up and clean clothes on, instead of someone in scrubs and a ponytail who is completely frazzled, in a shitty mood, and on the phone ordering pizza.

It honestly shocks me to even write these things. This is not what I envisioned my life to be at age 40, but it's surprisingly satisfying.

[tylamonroe]

Don't tell anyone, but I think you have really risen up for your family. From other posts, You have taken on more than I can comprehend. You have my respect for that.

I have no snarky ending to this post. Sorry.

[Stoner]

Fuck you!

[tylamonroe]

Fuck you!

And the horse you rode in on. Can I go to bed now?

[Stoner]

If you're passing out compliments on The War Board, you probably should.

[Crazy Levi]

Really? The word "bullshitter"?

For fuck's sake, tuck your pristine labia back in your panties.

"I want my politicians to tell it like it is!"

"Wait, he called him a bullshitter? WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!"

And to think the right hailed George W and Cheney as heroes when they called that NY Times reporter a big time asshole.

[GeddyCriss3]

The end is near

[absolutely fabulous]

Don't push it.

Honestly, I feel very lucky that my life has unfolded the way it has. I didn't become a parent until I was 32 (and I got to do it without being pregnant - woo hoo!), so I was able to be an irresponsible piece of shit in my early to mid 20's, and then still had time to get my shit together, get an education and have a career before having to do the 2.5 kids thing. When I first lost my job, I was fucking DEVASTATED - partly because I made damn good money, but mostly because I didn't KNOW any other way of living. Now that the dust has settled and I've found my domestic groove, I realize just how lucky I am to be in a position that most working mothers would kill for - I have more time to run an efficient household, focus on family, AND further my education, all with and because of the support of a great man. Still, I don't know that I would be so "YAY DOMESTIC SERVITUDE!" had I never had those experiences, and I have the utmost respect for women who don't have a choice but to work, sometimes more than one job, to provide for their families.

When I first took custody of my girls, I busted my fucking ass trying to give them the best of everything to try to make up for them starting off at a deficit. But now I realize that those aren't the things that make for a good childhood - it's them having access to me, and me being aware of what is happening in their lives, ESPECIALLY now as they are entering their teens. It was actually my old man that convinced to hold off from looking for a job right away and to see how me being at home worked out. I was initially resistant, because I like having disposable income, but also because I was really afraid that he would be resentful that the financial burden would be solely on his shoulders. Oddly enough, he seems to relish it - he says it makes him feel good that he's able to support his family in the traditional sense, and he likes coming home to a clean house, a hot meal, and a wife with make up and clean clothes on, instead of someone in scrubs and a ponytail who is completely frazzled, in a shitty mood, and on the phone ordering pizza.

It honestly shocks me to even write these things. This is not what I envisioned my life to be at age 40, but it's surprisingly satisfying.

phhhhft!
i love stories like this!

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