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Fair Warning: Considering, I'm the only motherfucker on the War Board right now. If this fucking thread doesn't get the proper response & gusto it deserves. I'm takin' it to the fucking Lounge.

Constantine wrote:Britain? hahaha too funny. First they are genetically inferior inbreds and lazy fucks so thats why they have to bring immigrants to do the manual work so they can get even more pathetic by sitting on their asses collecting welfare. So you have a country composed of crooks, third world migrants and welfare bums.

This is also an accurate description of France, Constantwhine.

Constantine wrote:Exactly what the USA has become under Obama and why the USA wont be a superpower anymore soon.

We've been bringing in immigrants since day one, Constantwhine, and it's only made us better.

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

Constantine wrote:Britain? hahaha too funny. First they are genetically inferior inbreds and lazy fucks so thats why they have to bring immigrants to do the manual work so they can get even more pathetic by sitting on their asses collecting welfare. So you have a country composed of crooks, third world migrants and welfare bums.

This is also an accurate description of France, Constantwhine.

Constantine wrote:Exactly what the USA has become under Obama and why the USA wont be a superpower anymore soon.

We've been bringing in immigrants since day one, Constantwhine, and it's only made us better.

Im not saying anything against immigrants you douchebag, im saying immigrants have to come to britain to do the work because the white trash scum wont get off their lazy, stinky asses!!!

Constantine wrote:

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

Constantine wrote:Britain? hahaha too funny. First they are genetically inferior inbreds and lazy fucks so thats why they have to bring immigrants to do the manual work so they can get even more pathetic by sitting on their asses collecting welfare. So you have a country composed of crooks, third world migrants and welfare bums.

This is also an accurate description of France, Constantwhine.

Constantine wrote:Exactly what the USA has become under Obama and why the USA wont be a superpower anymore soon.

We've been bringing in immigrants since day one, Constantwhine, and it's only made us better.

Im not saying anything against immigrants you douchebag, im saying immigrants have to come to britain to do the work because the white trash scum wont get off their lazy, stinky asses!!!

Immigrants have been coming to this country to do jobs white people didn't want to do since it's founding and it's only made the US one of the most powerful countries on Earth. Therefore you are full of shit, Constantwhine.

Why isn't the United Kingdom considered a 'super power'?

They were until World War Two. Then they bankrupted themselves fighting a 6 year, two front war - a mere 20 years after they had done the exact same thing during World War 1. Who lent them most of the money that bankrupted them? America.

Sound familiar?

It should, because that's pretty much what America has done since it's "war on terror" after 9/11. Who is lending the US most of the money it needs to prop up the illusion of global superiority? China.

Guess who is in the process of taking America's place as the global superpower?

That's right. China. Except they're smarter than the US. They are taking over economically, not militarily.

StarvinMarvin wrote:Why isn't the United Kingdom considered a 'super power'?

They were until World War Two. Then they bankrupted themselves fighting a 6 year, two front war - a mere 20 years after they had done the exact same thing during World War 1. Who lent them most of the money that bankrupted them? America.

Sound familiar?

It should, because that's pretty much what America has done since it's "war on terror" after 9/11. Who is lending the US most of the money it needs to prop up the illusion of global superiority? China.

Guess who is in the process of taking America's place as the global superpower?

That's right. China. Except they're smarter than the. They are taking over economically, not militarily.

I remember when this was said of Japan.

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

StarvinMarvin wrote:Why isn't the United Kingdom considered a 'super power'?

They were until World War Two. Then they bankrupted themselves fighting a 6 year, two front war - a mere 20 years after they had done the exact same thing during World War 1. Who lent them most of the money that bankrupted them? America.

Sound familiar?

It should, because that's pretty much what America has done since it's "war on terror" after 9/11. Who is lending the US most of the money it needs to prop up the illusion of global superiority? China.

Guess who is in the process of taking America's place as the global superpower?

That's right. China. Except they're smarter than the. They are taking over economically, not militarily.

I remember when this was said of Japan.

Right, and Japan is a small island nation without a military, while China has 20% of the world's population and a massive military that chooses not invade other countries - for now.

But you're right, both nations are in Asia so they're probably the same.

If you can't see the difference between the two countries I can't help you.

StarvinMarvin wrote:Why isn't the United Kingdom considered a 'super power'?

They were until World War Two. Then they bankrupted themselves fighting a 6 year, two front war - a mere 20 years after they had done the exact same thing during World War 1. Who lent them most of the money that bankrupted them? America.

Sound familiar?

It should, because that's pretty much what America has done since it's "war on terror" after 9/11. Who is lending the US most of the money it needs to prop up the illusion of global superiority? China.

Guess who is in the process of taking America's place as the global superpower?

That's right. China. Except they're smarter than the US. They are taking over economically, not militarily.

The amount of US debt held by China is greatly overstated. Japan holds close to as much but the majority of our debt is held here. Our deficit spending is certainly not something I will defend but the fact is we financing much of our ignorance right here at home.

Also, China certainly has their own economic issues and to state that they are smarter than the US economically is pure stupidity unless you think communism is intelligent. Note--it's not.

Sheep_Mafia wrote:

StarvinMarvin wrote:Why isn't the United Kingdom considered a 'super power'?

They were until World War Two. Then they bankrupted themselves fighting a 6 year, two front war - a mere 20 years after they had done the exact same thing during World War 1. Who lent them most of the money that bankrupted them? America.

Sound familiar?

It should, because that's pretty much what America has done since it's "war on terror" after 9/11. Who is lending the US most of the money it needs to prop up the illusion of global superiority? China.

Guess who is in the process of taking America's place as the global superpower?

That's right. China. Except they're smarter than the US. They are taking over economically, not militarily.

The amount of US debt held by China is greatly overstated. Japan holds close to as much but the majority of our debt is held here. Our deficit spending is certainly not something I will defend but the fact is we financing much of our ignorance right here at home.

Also, China certainly has their own economic issues and to state that they are smarter than the US economically is pure stupidity unless you think communism is intelligent. Note--it's not.

.....and if you think that China's economic system is communist in 2013 you are the idiot.

StarvinMarvin wrote: .....and if you think that China's economic system is communist in 2013 you are the idiot.

Well, you and I both know I'm not the idiot here so at least that's settled.

State-owned businesses are still widespread in China and while they are gaining fast on the US in terms of nonimal GDP, thanks in large part to their population base and slave labor policies that attract US producers, they still have a lot of economic and social issues with their structure.

Fortunately, Obama can't stay President forever and the US will begin to grow at a solid pace again soon enough. We're in for some hard times but we have the best system and will be fine.

Sheep_Mafia wrote:

StarvinMarvin wrote: .....and if you think that China's economic system is communist in 2013 you are the idiot.

Well, you and I both know I'm not the idiot here so at least that's settled.

State-owned businesses are still widespread in China and while they are gaining fast on the US in terms of nonimal GDP, thanks in large part to their population base and slave labor policies that attract US producers, they still have a lot of economic and social issues with their structure.

Fortunately, Obama can't stay President forever and the US will begin to grow at a solid pace again soon enough. We're in for some hard times but we have the best system and will be fine.

I thought you said China was a communist economy? So now you're admitting it is a hybrid capitalist/socialist economy?

Interesting.

You are so full of shit. And an idiot to boot.

StarvinMarvin wrote:

Danzig in the Dark wrote:

StarvinMarvin wrote:Why isn't the United Kingdom considered a 'super power'?

They were until World War Two. Then they bankrupted themselves fighting a 6 year, two front war - a mere 20 years after they had done the exact same thing during World War 1. Who lent them most of the money that bankrupted them? America.

Sound familiar?

It should, because that's pretty much what America has done since it's "war on terror" after 9/11. Who is lending the US most of the money it needs to prop up the illusion of global superiority? China.

Guess who is in the process of taking America's place as the global superpower?

That's right. China. Except they're smarter than the. They are taking over economically, not militarily.

I remember when this was said of Japan.

Right, and Japan is a small island nation without a military, while China has 20% of the world's population and a massive military that chooses not invade other countries - for now.

China has no force projection, so it's not a choice. They do not have the logistical capability to project their military force far beyond their borders as the US does regularly. That's the reason the renegade province of Taiwan is still a renegade province, not part of the People's Republic of China. They cannot cross the 90 miles of the Formosa Strait faster to occupy Taiwan than the US can cross the 3000 miles of the Pacific Ocean to bitchslap then back home. As with Japan, it takes more than a fat wallet to be a world power.

StarvinMarvin wrote:But you're right, both nations are in Asia so they're probably the same.

If you can't see the difference between the two countries I can't help you.

StarvinMarvin wrote: I thought you said China was a communist economy? So now you're admitting it is a hybrid capitalist/socialist economy?

Interesting.

You are so full of shit. And an idiot to boot.

I said China is a communist country and that's a fact whether you know it or not. If you think that doesn't bleed over (and control) into their economic and social systems then I can't help you. I said point blank that a communist country is not smarter than the US. What exactly are you not understanding? Back to your original stupidity--what about their system do you find smarter than ours? Back up your ignorance.

Sheep_Mafia wrote: I said China is a communist country and that's a fact whether you know it or not. If you think that doesn't bleed over (and control) into their economic and social systems then I can't help you. I said point blank that a communist country is not smarter than the US. What exactly are you not understanding? Back to your original stupidity--what about their system do you find smarter than ours? Back up your ignorance.

This is priceless. Typical rigid American conservative "black and white" type thinking, rooted in the distant past.

China has been slowly transitioning to a free market economy for the past 30 years. As of 2013 it is certainly more capitalist than communist. Give it another 35 years and it will likely be just as capitalist as the United States. With every passing day the country is opening up to the outside world, and the economy is growing. You can ignore China, or dismiss them as "commies," but the smart money is on China being the next economic/military superpower.

China today is communist in name only. If you actually knew anything about communism (apart from Cold war era propaganda) I wouldn't have to remind you that it doesn't allow private ownership of any kind; and yet the Chinese government promotes the free market and declares that "being rich is glorious" (and this was 25 years ago!). Yes, China still has one party rule, but it's economic policy is not communist any more - they have a hybrid economy (part state owned, part free market). Maybe one day the dictatorship will collapse - don't rule it out. Just because your small brain is incapable of thinking in anything but extremes doesn't mean the world actually works that way.

I know China has its share of problems, many of them brought on by the new free market policies. There is social unrest, mostly due to the growing gap between rich and poor, and between traditional rural society and urban centers. It is a dictatorship and human rights are not respected as much as they should be.

Yet, as we know, America is facing massive problems of their own. In light of this, I'm curious as to why you think the American way is so much better? Especially since China has only just begun to emerge as a world superpower? Why would you dismiss them out of hand, especially since they have already come so far in such a short amount of time?

Please, enlighten us oh condescending one, Mr. Sheep!

StarvinMarvin wrote:

Sheep_Mafia wrote: I said China is a communist country and that's a fact whether you know it or not. If you think that doesn't bleed over (and control) into their economic and social systems then I can't help you. I said point blank that a communist country is not smarter than the US. What exactly are you not understanding? Back to your original stupidity--what about their system do you find smarter than ours? Back up your ignorance.

This is priceless. Typical rigid American conservative "black and white" type thinking, rooted in the distant past.

China has been slowly transitioning to a free market economy for the past 30 years. As of 2013 it is certainly more capitalist than communist. Give it another 35 years and it will likely be just as capitalist as the United States. With every passing day the country is opening up to the outside world, and the economy is growing. You can ignore China, or dismiss them as "commies," but the smart money is on China being the next economic/military superpower.

China today is communist in name only. If you actually knew anything about communism (apart from Cold war era propaganda) I wouldn't have to remind you that it doesn't allow private ownership of any kind; and yet the Chinese government promotes the free market and declares that "being rich is glorious" (and this was 25 years ago!). Yes, China still has one party rule, but it's economic policy is not communist any more - they have a hybrid economy (part state owned, part free market). Maybe one day the dictatorship will collapse - don't rule it out. Just because your small brain is incapable of thinking in anything but extremes doesn't mean the world actually works that way.

I know China has its share of problems, many of them brought on by the new free market policies. There is social unrest, mostly due to the growing gap between rich and poor, and between traditional rural society and urban centers. It is a dictatorship and human rights are not respected as much as they should be.

Yet, as we know, America is facing massive problems of their own. In light of this, I'm curious as to why you think the American way is so much better? Especially since China has only just begun to emerge as a world superpower? Why would you dismiss them out of hand, especially since they have already come so far in such a short amount of time?

Please, enlighten us oh condescending one, Mr. Sheep!

You made the comment that China was smarter than the US and you still haven't said why that is. Stop trying to weasel out of that and have me do your thinking for you. I'm not dismissing China at all. I said their debt holding position is overstated and it is. I said they too have economic and social issues and they do. You've yet to say anything correct that wasn't just repeating what I said. I'm convinced you don't know what you are talking about and are just spouting off. Why do you hate the US?

Sheep_Mafia wrote:

StarvinMarvin wrote:

Sheep_Mafia wrote: I said China is a communist country and that's a fact whether you know it or not. If you think that doesn't bleed over (and control) into their economic and social systems then I can't help you. I said point blank that a communist country is not smarter than the US. What exactly are you not understanding? Back to your original stupidity--what about their system do you find smarter than ours? Back up your ignorance.

This is priceless. Typical rigid American conservative "black and white" type thinking, rooted in the distant past.

China has been slowly transitioning to a free market economy for the past 30 years. As of 2013 it is certainly more capitalist than communist. Give it another 35 years and it will likely be just as capitalist as the United States. With every passing day the country is opening up to the outside world, and the economy is growing. You can ignore China, or dismiss them as "commies," but the smart money is on China being the next economic/military superpower.

China today is communist in name only. If you actually knew anything about communism (apart from Cold war era propaganda) I wouldn't have to remind you that it doesn't allow private ownership of any kind; and yet the Chinese government promotes the free market and declares that "being rich is glorious" (and this was 25 years ago!). Yes, China still has one party rule, but it's economic policy is not communist any more - they have a hybrid economy (part state owned, part free market). Maybe one day the dictatorship will collapse - don't rule it out. Just because your small brain is incapable of thinking in anything but extremes doesn't mean the world actually works that way.

I know China has its share of problems, many of them brought on by the new free market policies. There is social unrest, mostly due to the growing gap between rich and poor, and between traditional rural society and urban centers. It is a dictatorship and human rights are not respected as much as they should be.

Yet, as we know, America is facing massive problems of their own. In light of this, I'm curious as to why you think the American way is so much better? Especially since China has only just begun to emerge as a world superpower? Why would you dismiss them out of hand, especially since they have already come so far in such a short amount of time?

Please, enlighten us oh condescending one, Mr. Sheep!

You made the comment that China was smarter than the US and you still haven't said why that is. Stop trying to weasel out of that and have me do your thinking for you. I'm not dismissing China at all. I said their debt holding position is overstated and it is. I said they too have economic and social issues and they do. You've yet to say anything correct that wasn't just repeating what I said. I'm convinced you don't know what you are talking about and are just spouting off. Why do you hate the US?

Really? I have yet "to say anything correct that wasn't just repeating what you've said?" LOL. You should be embarrassed about your ignorance of China, but because you are an idiot you are actually proud of it. How surprising.

And yeah, you actually did dismiss China - because they are "communist." Your words, not mine. You also claimed the US system is superior, but without backing it up with anything but conservative ideology (which is different than facts).

I believe China is smarter than the US because they are continually extending their political/economic power, but in in a more sustainable manner. They are getting richer by opening up their economy & investing overseas, rather than overextending their military in hopeless overseas conflicts and burying themselves in mountains of debt. Unlike the Americans, they do not owe other countries (i.e. their enemies) trillions of dollars that their children will be unable to pay. If that isn't smarter, what is?

I do not hate the US. I have friends and family members who live in the US whom I care about deeply. I do, however, hate the idiotic, small-minded conservative American ideology that manifests itself in American foreign policy. It is mind boggling how otherwise intelligent people like yourself can be so disinterested in learning anything about the world outside the US borders.

StarvinMarvin wrote: Really? I have yet "to say anything correct that wasn't just repeating what you've said?" LOL. You should be embarrassed about your ignorance of China, but because you are an idiot you are actually proud of it. How surprising.

And yeah, you actually did dismiss China - because they are "communist." Your words, not mine. You also claimed the US system is superior, but without backing it up with anything but conservative ideology (which is different than facts).

I believe China is smarter than the US because they are continually extending their political/economic power, but in in a more sustainable manner. They are getting richer by opening up their economy & investing overseas, rather than overextending their military in hopeless overseas conflicts and burying themselves in mountains of debt. Unlike the Americans, they do not owe other countries (i.e. their enemies) trillions of dollars that their children will be unable to pay. If that isn't smarter, what is?

I do not hate the US. I have friends and family members who live in the US whom I care about deeply. I do, however, hate the idiotic, small-minded conservative American ideology that manifests itself in American foreign policy. It is mind boggling how otherwise intelligent people like yourself can be so disinterested in learning anything about the world outside the US borders.

China's debt is on the rise too. Not to mention, because they are a corrupt still communist government, it's difficult to know the true level of that debt because it's assumed they don't properly account for various debt. They also have the advantage of the still large state-owned industries that they take the profits from. At this point, that is still prevelant. They are seeing the cost of manufacturing rise to a point that in the not to distant future, will be on the level with the US when considering the cost to import from there. That will mean the US companies will be looking to either bring manufacturing back here or look for the next developing country will to use slave labor.

It's your opinion that they are not still a communist country. The government there still squashes political opposition, controls the media and the courts, limits dissent and expression of the citizens, restricts various forms of religion and to this day still kicks people to labor camps without trial or reason in some reported cases. If times do get tough for them--what do you think will happen to the so called capitalist style businesses there? They will be seized or ran out of business by state-owned entities. I am not denying they have a mixed system economically as that's obvious. What I am saying is that system is still under the complete control of the government who will unilaterally do whatever they want without the consideration of any laws or the will of the people. Do you deny that?

As for sustainability, while I completely agree the US is far along a unsustainable path and have noted that numerous times on this site, China has their own share of challenges to that starting with looming civil unrest, rising costs, slowing growth, potential housing bust, environmental issues, aging workforce and that issue of business policies ultimately designed to benefit the political ruling party. I don't buy that's sustaniable either.

Sheep_Mafia wrote:

StarvinMarvin wrote: Really? I have yet "to say anything correct that wasn't just repeating what you've said?" LOL. You should be embarrassed about your ignorance of China, but because you are an idiot you are actually proud of it. How surprising.

And yeah, you actually did dismiss China - because they are "communist." Your words, not mine. You also claimed the US system is superior, but without backing it up with anything but conservative ideology (which is different than facts).

I believe China is smarter than the US because they are continually extending their political/economic power, but in in a more sustainable manner. They are getting richer by opening up their economy & investing overseas, rather than overextending their military in hopeless overseas conflicts and burying themselves in mountains of debt. Unlike the Americans, they do not owe other countries (i.e. their enemies) trillions of dollars that their children will be unable to pay. If that isn't smarter, what is?

I do not hate the US. I have friends and family members who live in the US whom I care about deeply. I do, however, hate the idiotic, small-minded conservative American ideology that manifests itself in American foreign policy. It is mind boggling how otherwise intelligent people like yourself can be so disinterested in learning anything about the world outside the US borders.

China's debt is on the rise too. Not to mention, because they are a corrupt still communist government, it's difficult to know the true level of that debt because it's assumed they don't properly account for various debt. They also have the advantage of the still large state-owned industries that they take the profits from. At this point, that is still prevelant. They are seeing the cost of manufacturing rise to a point that in the not to distant future, will be on the level with the US when considering the cost to import from there. That will mean the US companies will be looking to either bring manufacturing back here or look for the next developing country will to use slave labor.

It's your opinion that they are not still a communist country. The government there still squashes political opposition, controls the media and the courts, limits dissent and expression of the citizens, restricts various forms of religion and to this day still kicks people to labor camps without trial or reason in some reported cases. If times do get tough for them--what do you think will happen to the so called capitalist style businesses there? They will be seized or ran out of business by state-owned entities. I am not denying they have a mixed system economically as that's obvious. What I am saying is that system is still under the complete control of the government who will unilaterally do whatever they want without the consideration of any laws or the will of the people. Do you deny that?

As for sustainability, while I completely agree the US is far along a unsustainable path and have noted that numerous times on this site, China has their own share of challenges to that starting with looming civil unrest, rising costs, slowing growth, potential housing bust, environmental issues, aging workforce and that issue of business policies ultimately designed to benefit the political ruling party. I don't buy that's sustaniable either.

OK, fair enough, you make some very good points. Extra props for dropping the condescending tone.

I do not deny that China is a dictatorship. i am just making the distinction between "communist dictatorship" (which applies to the Mao era China) and a more straightforward "dictatorship" (which is how I would classify today's China).

As for who eventually emerges as the predominant world superpower, I guess we'll have to wait and see. It may seem like I'm cheering for China, but I can assure you that I am not. I was simply drawing attention to the reality that despite what many Americans believe, America is not entitled to being a superpower; Rome collapsed and so can the US. I am also somewhat pessimistic about America's economic future, although I don't think America is in danger of a complete economic collapse just yet. For all of its faults, I would rather America call the shots than China. When push comes to shove, I suspect many of China's Asian neighbors may feel the same way.