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Uh, viva la revolucion? So what’s next for the Haitian government? Any chance the Biden administration will back or even have a hand in picking his successor?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

Haiti Kid won't be happy

dmbrocker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:55 pm Uh, viva la revolucion? So what’s next for the Haitian government? Any chance the Biden administration will back or even have a hand in picking his successor?

Are you suggesting an evil commie plot? And why would Biden have any business getting involved in Haiti?

Socialism. Duh.

SebastianLeeDanzig wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:09 pm

dmbrocker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:55 pm Uh, viva la revolucion? So what’s next for the Haitian government? Any chance the Biden administration will back or even have a hand in picking his successor?

Are you suggesting an evil commie plot? And why would Biden have any business getting involved in Haiti?

The same reason the U.S. government always seems to love getting involved in third-world country elections: imperialism.

dmbrocker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:26 am

SebastianLeeDanzig wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:09 pm

dmbrocker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:55 pm Uh, viva la revolucion? So what’s next for the Haitian government? Any chance the Biden administration will back or even have a hand in picking his successor?

Are you suggesting an evil commie plot? And why would Biden have any business getting involved in Haiti?

The same reason the U.S. government always seems to love getting involved in third-world country elections: imperialism.

I don't know much about Haiti, so that was kind of a real question. What's the connection? I don't see attempted US involvement in other failed states like Hungary or whatever, so I'm curious about the geo-strategic interest in some shitty French island.

SebastianLeeDanzig wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:38 am

dmbrocker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:26 am

SebastianLeeDanzig wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:09 pm
Are you suggesting an evil commie plot? And why would Biden have any business getting involved in Haiti?

The same reason the U.S. government always seems to love getting involved in third-world country elections: imperialism.

I don't know much about Haiti, so that was kind of a real question. What's the connection? I don't see attempted US involvement in other failed states like Hungary or whatever, so I'm curious about the geo-strategic interest in some shitty French island.

I hate to say it, but the U.S. loves to get involved in third-world imperialist affairs more than you might think.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3237291/us ... ops-haiti/

I actually used to know a lot about Haitian history, so if anyone is interested, here are some interesting pieces of information. Its been a while since I've sat down and read about it, though, so some of the details below might be off...

The USA occupied Haiti from 1915 through the 1930s. The marine force they had stationed there actually trained the army that eventually turned the country into a totalitarian regime in the 1950s. I'm hoping something like that does not happen again.

Also, when Haiti was still a French colony, it was the most prosperous and profitable colonial holding of any great power. At its height, it produced more wealth than all 13 US colonies combined. Sugar was the oil of the 17th century, and Haiti was the world's largest producer of sugar cane. In Europe, I believe they produced sugar using beets, or something along those lines. The sugar coming from Haiti was far superior in quality.

If I remember correctly, after Haiti declared independence for the first time, following their revolution, the USA (and every other country on Earth) refused to recognize their independence. This was ironic, because the USA had accomplished the same feat only a few years earlier, but the powers that be feared that news of a slave rebellion might inspire a similar revolution at home. Consequently, Haiti was not allowed to have a navy of any sort and Haitians were not allowed to step foot on US soil.

It took years for Haiti to finally receive recognition from other countries, but in order to do so they had to pay an enormous sum of money, which left them so bankrupt that they never recovered. Add the invasions, internal struggles, and so on, and the country never really stood a chance.

One of the most twisted historical stories I ever read was about Haiti. During the French Revolution, the revolutionaries had a hard time reconciling their desire for all men to be free with the existence of slavery in the colonies. Initially, only those of mixed-race were emancipated, but eventually anyone on French soil was automatically a free citizen. That didn't last long, however, because when Napoleon seized power, he was dead set on taking Haiti back for France.

He sent, and lost, over 50 thousand troops. Had he kept these troops at home, who knows how history would have played out. In any event, one of Napoleon's generals invited all the wives of the top Haitian soldiers to a dinner at his estate. When they were brought into the dining room, all of their husbands were seated at the table, but they were all dead. It's one of the more brutal historical stories I've heard about.

It didn't matter, though. The vast majority of Napoleon's troops, including his own brother-in-law, died of disease on the island.

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It might not seem interesting on the surface, but Haitian history is actually incredibly interesting. It ties in with the French Revolution, and is the only successful slave revolution that resulted in independence (that I know of at least). There is also the history of voodoo, which was a mix of Christianity and African Religions. Really cool stuff.