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Machado wrote:If the reg. season is reduced to 154 games, then the records will be that much more difficult to break.

Nobody will pass Pete Rose on the all-time hits list. Not even Jeter.

Nobody will have a hitting streak longer than 56 games. Won't happen!
Jeter would be one of the last ones to do it. He's never led the league in hits. A thousand + more hits when your at the end of your career? Not gonna happen.

The only reason Maris surpassed Ruth is they made the season longer. He hit number 61 on the last game of the season.
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Machado wrote:Nobody will pass Pete Rose on the all-time hits list. Not even Jeter.
Jeter would need another 60 hits this year and then six straight years of 200 hits to pass Rose. You shouldn't even be mentioning his name.

But I certainly agree with you that 4256 will never be broken. To put it in perspective a player would need 21 years of 200 hits just to get within striking distance. Figuring there would be games lost along the way it would take an elite hitter 23-24 years to do.

Look at the 3000+ hit club and notice that 1/3 of the list have just over 3000. Look again and see that all but 5 have less than 3500. Notice that only 2 have broken 4000. Of all the great hitters that have played only 2 have done that and they were pretty much the same type of player.

I think Ichiro will end up with 3300-3400 hits and if Pujols stays healthy he should get 3200 or so. I can't see anyone else getting 3000 unless Pudge Rodriquez decides to hang around for a few years.
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TawnyVonJagger wrote: Also, big props to the fan who caught it, who ONLY wanted to give him the ball. The Yanks organization rewarded him with 4 suite tix for the remainder of the season, plus a shitload of signed bats, jerseys, balls, etc. Very classy of them to do that. (That's the ONLY nice thing I'll ever say about the MFY!) :P
That guy is gonna be SKULLFUCKED by the IRS for taxes (gift tax).

He's gonna wish he'd "cashed-out," instead.
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TawnyVonJagger wrote: Also, big props to the fan who caught it, who ONLY wanted to give him the ball. The Yanks organization rewarded him with 4 suite tix for the remainder of the season, plus a shitload of signed bats, jerseys, balls, etc. Very classy of them to do that. (That's the ONLY nice thing I'll ever say about the MFY!) :P
That guy is gonna be SKULLFUCKED by the IRS for taxes (gift tax).

He's gonna wish he'd "cashed-out," instead.
Here is the fan’s fantasy: You go to the ballpark and under a picture-perfect sky not only do the Yankees win, but in recognition of your exemplary behavior, the team also showers you with free season tickets, signed merchandise and a personal audience with the Yankee-est of Yankees, Derek Jeter. The team president hands you his card, with his e-mail address.

And here is the reality: The taxman may own a piece of your windfall. And not in tickets, either. He takes only cash.

For Christian Lopez, the 23-year-old fan who came up with Jeter’s 3,000th hit at Yankee Stadium on Saturday, the ramifications of his gift from above are as American as baseball, hot dogs and taxes.

As in Las Vegas, the house always wins.

“There’s different ways the I.R.S. could try to characterize a ball caught by a fan in the stands,” said Andrew D. Appleby, a tax associate at the Sutherland Asbill & Brennan law firm in New York who has written about the tax implications of souvenir baseballs. “But when the Yankees give him all those things, it’s much more clear-cut that he owes taxes on what they give him.”

Mr. Lopez, of Highland Mills, N.Y., was seated with his father, Raul, in the left field stands when Jeter drove a 3-2 curveball over the wall. The ball bounced off Raul Lopez’s hands and rolled to the floor, where his son, a former defensive tackle in college, pounced on it. The blast made Jeter only the 28th player to have 3,000 hits, and the first to do so as a Yankee.

Stadium security guards, who had been prepared for the event, whisked Mr. Lopez and his father to the office of the team president, Randy Levine, where officials asked his intentions, according to a team spokeswoman.

“He goes, ‘What do you want?’ ” Mr. Lopez said Monday at a Verizon store in Middletown, N.Y., where he works in customer service. “I was like, ‘How about a couple signed balls, some jerseys and bats.’ He said, ‘O.K., I can definitely do that.’ ”

Fans have not always been as generous with their windfalls. In 2006, a San Francisco man named Andrew Morbitzer, who recovered Barry Bonds’s record-breaking 715th home run ball, sold the ball on eBay for $220,100. The ball Mark McGwire hit for his record-breaking 70th home run in 1998 sold for around $3 million.

Mr. Lopez, who told reporters later that he owed more than $100,000 in student loans, said he felt the ball rightfully belonged to Jeter.

“To have someone come up to you and say, ‘Hey, my kid is looking up to you now’ or ‘You’re a really stand-up guy, I wish there were more people like you in the world,’ it’s very meaningful stuff,” he said at the store, where he had already been interviewed nine times before work. “You can’t put a price on something like that.”

In lieu of such price-setting, the Yankees gave Mr. Lopez four Champions Suite tickets for their remaining home games and any postseason games, along with three bats, three balls and two jerseys, all signed by Jeter. For Sunday’s game the team gave him four front-row Legends seats, which sell for up to $1,358.90 each.

In such gratitude begins tax liability, said Paul Caron, a tax professor at the University of Cincinnati law school and author of Tax Prof Blog.

He recalled a 2004 incident in which Oprah Winfrey gave 276 cars to the audience of her show, who were surprised to discover they incurred tax obligations of around $7,000.

“Pretty clearly he’s going to have to report as income the value of all the stuff he got for the ball,” Professor Caron said.

So break out your pencils.

On SportsMemorabilia.com, an auction site, baseballs signed by Jeter were being sold for up to $600, jerseys for close to $1,000 and bats for $900.

The tickets to the 32 remaining home games (after Sunday) have a combined face value of $44,800 to $73,600, according to the team’s Web site. The tickets could be worth a lot more if the Yankees play deep into October. Steven Bandini, a tax partner at the accounting firm Zapken & Loeb, said that if the items were valued modestly at $50,000, they would probably carry a tax burden of about $14,000.

Michael J. Graetz, a law professor at Columbia University who advised the I.R.S. on how to treat the McGwire ball, questioned whether the booty was not a gift, and therefore not taxable.

“The legal question of whether it is a gift or prize is whether the transferor is giving the property out of detached and disinterested generosity,” Professor Graetz said. “It’s hard for me, not being a Yankee fan, to think of the Yankees as being in the business of exercising generosity to others, but there’s a reasonable case to be made that these were given out of generosity.”

An I.R.S. spokesman, Grant Williams, said the agency would not speculate on Mr. Lopez’s tax liabilities.

Alice McGillion, a spokeswoman for the Yankees, declined to say whether the team would give Mr. Lopez money to meet any tax liability, saying only, “Yankee partners and partnership always comply with the tax laws.”

Mr. Lopez said if he had to pay taxes, he hoped he could borrow from his parents rather than sell his memorabilia.

He did, however, plan to give a bat and a jersey to his girlfriend, he said.

“She’s the one who bought the tickets,” he said. “Jeter said I quote-unquote owe her a lot. I’m going to take his words as advice.”

Tim Stelloh contributed reporting from Middletown, N.Y.
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Machado wrote:Mr. Lopez, who told reporters later that he owed more than $100,000 in student loans, said he felt the ball rightfully belonged to Jeter.
I thought it was a class move until I heard about the student loans. He's a fucking idiot. :|
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killeverything wrote:
Machado wrote:If the reg. season is reduced to 154 games, then the records will be that much more difficult to break.

Nobody will pass Pete Rose on the all-time hits list. Not even Jeter.

Nobody will have a hitting streak longer than 56 games. Won't happen!
Jeter would be one of the last ones to do it. He's never led the league in hits. A thousand + more hits when your at the end of your career? Not gonna happen.

The only reason Maris surpassed Ruth is they made the season longer. He hit number 61 on the last game of the season.
Number of times Maris was intentionally walked in 61? Zero times. Unbelievable.
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Tenacious_Dio wrote:
Machado wrote:Mr. Lopez, who told reporters later that he owed more than $100,000 in student loans, said he felt the ball rightfully belonged to Jeter.
I thought it was a class move until I heard about the student loans. He's a fucking idiot. :|

That is a lot of money owed in student loans.
The kid could have used the money.
If there ever was a person who made a mistake, it was this kid.
I know he was trying to do the right thing, but all those free seats for the rest of the season, signed bats and jersey won't pay off those student loans.
Now that the IRS is on him, forget about it. He's going to wish he never caught that ball.
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cantstopthemusic wrote:
TawnyVonJagger wrote: Also, big props to the fan who caught it, who ONLY wanted to give him the ball. The Yanks organization rewarded him with 4 suite tix for the remainder of the season, plus a shitload of signed bats, jerseys, balls, etc. Very classy of them to do that. (That's the ONLY nice thing I'll ever say about the MFY!) :P
That guy is gonna be SKULLFUCKED by the IRS for taxes (gift tax).

He's gonna wish he'd "cashed-out," instead.
I don't know about SKULLFUCKED, but according to the NY media he'll be in it for about $3000 in taxes.

But yeah, he should have cashed in, I know I would have. It's not every day a couple hundred grand falls out of the sky.
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If the fan who returned Derek Jeter's 3,000th hit ball has to pay taxes on the goods he received from the New York Yankees, companies are ready to strike out his debt.

Christian Lopez, a 23-year-old cellphone salesman from Highland Mills, N.Y., scooped up the milestone baseball Saturday. Instead of trying to sell the ball, he decided to give it back to Jeter. The Yankees responded by giving him memorabilia and tickets, setting off media speculation that Lopez would have to pay taxes on his windfall.


According to accountants contacted by the New York Daily News and New York Times, that tax bill could end up being anywhere from $5,000 to $14,000.

"Worse comes to worse, I'll have to pay the taxes," Lopez told the Daily News on Monday. "I'm not going to return the seats. I have a lot of family and friends who will help me out if need be.

"The IRS has a job to do, so I'm not going to hold it against them, but it would be cool if they helped me out a little on this."

Well, it looks as if he will get some help if he needs it. Miller High Life issued a statement Wednesday saying that the company would cover Lopez's tax bill.

"Miller High Life believes you should be rewarded for doing the right thing, not penalized," Miller High Life brand manager Brendan Noonan said in a statement. "We want to recognize Christian Lopez, and in turn everyone like him, for doing the common sense thing and help him continue to live the High Life."

The sporting goods store Modell's also will announce Wednesday afternoon at its Times Square location that five percent of all of its Yankees merchandise sales July 13-19 will be donated to Lopez to help pay the taxes and student loans he's accrued.

Lopez has said he owes $100,000 from his days at St. Lawrence University.

According to reports, Lopez received luxury box tickets for the rest of the season (including postseason), signed baseballs, bats and jerseys from Jeter. He also received front-row seats to Sunday's Yankees-Rays game.
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cantstopthemusic wrote:
TawnyVonJagger wrote: Also, big props to the fan who caught it, who ONLY wanted to give him the ball. The Yanks organization rewarded him with 4 suite tix for the remainder of the season, plus a shitload of signed bats, jerseys, balls, etc. Very classy of them to do that. (That's the ONLY nice thing I'll ever say about the MFY!) :P
That guy is gonna be SKULLFUCKED by the IRS for taxes (gift tax).

He's gonna wish he'd "cashed-out," instead.
Gift tax applies to people giving things, not receving them. This guy would be subject to ordinary income tax based on the value of whatever the Yankees give him.
He's like the Liberace of bass & pot.

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Dude is getting his own baseball card:

The fan who returned Derek Jeter's ball from his 3,000th hit will get a bit of memorabilia to keep - his own baseball card.

Topps says it will produce a trading card featuring Christian Lopez that will be included in sets later this year.

"We thought what he did captures the essence of what baseball and the Topps company is about," said Mark Sapir, Topps vice president for sports.

The recent college graduate with outstanding student loans will get some financial help, too.

Memorabilia dealer Brandon Steiner and sporting goods CEO Mitch Modell said they will make sure Lopez gets at least $50,000 toward his outstanding student loans of $150,000.

Steiner set up an auction of memorabilia that will include baseballs signed by both Lopez and Jeter and said Modell is pledging 5 percent from the sale of Yankees-related merchandise at the Modell's chain during "Christian Lopez Week."

What impressed the sports executives - as well as countless fans across the country - was the way a 23-year-old mobile phone salesman passed on the chance to sell the ball.

Instead, Lopez gave it to Jeter, saying he deserved to have the keepsake.

"Can you believe how good a mensch this kid was?" Steiner said.
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That's bitchin'.
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Say what you want about George,but if he was still alive today that kid wouldn't have to worry about a thing for the rest of his life..
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It keeps getting better and better for this kid. Next thing you know, DJ's going to throw some model trim his way.
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SkyDog112046 wrote:
Machado wrote:Nobody will pass Pete Rose on the all-time hits list. Not even Jeter.
Jeter would need another 60 hits this year and then six straight years of 200 hits to pass Rose. You shouldn't even be mentioning his name.

But I certainly agree with you that 4256 will never be broken. To put it in perspective a player would need 21 years of 200 hits just to get within striking distance. Figuring there would be games lost along the way it would take an elite hitter 23-24 years to do.

Look at the 3000+ hit club and notice that 1/3 of the list have just over 3000. Look again and see that all but 5 have less than 3500. Notice that only 2 have broken 4000. Of all the great hitters that have played only 2 have done that and they were pretty much the same type of player.

I think Ichiro will end up with 3300-3400 hits and if Pujols stays healthy he should get 3200 or so. I can't see anyone else getting 3000 unless Pudge Rodriquez decides to hang around for a few years.
Molitor lost almost two seasons in his prime due to injury -- he could be around 3,700. And he'd still be 556 away.

He's also the only major leaguer to have 3,000 hits, a .300 lifetime average, 500 stolen bases, and 200 home runs.
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johnk5150 wrote:
cantstopthemusic wrote:
TawnyVonJagger wrote: Also, big props to the fan who caught it, who ONLY wanted to give him the ball. The Yanks organization rewarded him with 4 suite tix for the remainder of the season, plus a shitload of signed bats, jerseys, balls, etc. Very classy of them to do that. (That's the ONLY nice thing I'll ever say about the MFY!) :P
That guy is gonna be SKULLFUCKED by the IRS for taxes (gift tax).

He's gonna wish he'd "cashed-out," instead.
Gift tax applies to people giving things, not receving them. This guy would be subject to ordinary income tax based on the value of whatever the Yankees give him.
Gift tax / prize tax ... ta-MAY-toe ta-MAH-toe.
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LMFAO at Machado, "Not even Jeter!!! that's fucking funny.
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