President Barack Obama : "I'm not a golf addict."

[Luminiferous]

Where did I say you said Bush was crying?

Exactly.. and where did I say Obama was crying when he signed the NDAA? I didn't so your comment didn't make any sense..

And you're right.. For the last 3-1/2 years the right has done everything in their power to try and turn this country around, and they have worked tirelessly to create jobs and bring the country back to the great rich peaceful place it was before, but that darn Obama just keeps foiling their plans..

Hopefully Romney or Paul will get in there and solve everything..

[Moggio]

Where did I say you said Bush was crying?

Exactly.. and where did I say Obama was crying when he signed the NDAA? I didn't so your comment didn't make any sense...

I NEVER said you said Obama was crying when he signed the NDAA.

And of course my comment makes sense. You don't get it. Obama hasn't done JACK SHIT to improve things in the US over the past four years. And since he's been DESTROYING your constitutional rights, like Bush did with the Patriot Act, there's virtually no difference between them, or even Romney for that matter. They're funded by Goldman Sachs, they're pro-war and they're anti-constitution. Obama balls are in a vice that's owned and operated by the US Military Industrial Complex. Bush's were too. And Romney's would be as well, if he becomes the next US President...

And you're right.. For the last 3-1/2 years the right has done everything in their power to try and turn this country around, and they have worked tirelessly to create jobs and bring the country back to the great rich peaceful place it was before, but that darn Obama just keeps foiling their plans..

Hopefully Romney or Paul will get in there and solve everything..

Are you fucking kidding me? Sarcasm aside. I NEVER said or even implied the right were doing a good job. But if you actually believe Obama is that much different than the right, then you have your head up your ass.

Most of Ron Paul's political platform and personal beliefs relating to Christianity (which I don't agree with) differ greatly. Most people don't understand that and that's mainly why he's so misunderstood. Actually, it's a Libertarian philosophy to separate those two things and for the most part, Paul does just that. In fact, he believes more in freedom, upholding constitutional rights and ending the undeclared, illegal wars in the Middle East that are all about making oil barons and other associated war-profiteers wealthier, than almost anyone in politics, including your two-faced, demagoguery-loving current President, despite the fact he's a Democrat (a Democrat acting like a hard-right conservative, if you ask me). How ironic, don't you think? In reality, Paul is the ONLY candidate running who has the experience, qualifications and financial expertise to be President, not to mention help get us out of this financial mess. And on April 24, 2002, he accurately predicted many world events, including the Iraq war and the current economic crisis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM). He's more intelligent that Obama and Romney (and many other politicians) COMBINED. Paul doesn't BS and is consistent as all hell and doesn't take brides from lobbyists. If he were President, he would tell the US Military Industrial Complex where to go. We could easily count on Paul to bring positive change...or at least try to...

Translation: there's NO way to prove Moggio wrong, so I'll just have to continue calling him a "fucking idiot."

I've already proven you wrong numerous times, as have others on every thread you post in. You are a delusional nut.

You keep tellin' yourself that, shit-for-brains...and maybe one day it'll come true...

[Constantine]

I came across this commentary on facebook :

Obama thinks everyone is as stupid as the people that voted for him. He makes the loosest most general statements possible, to attempt to imply that Bush is responsible for all the rampant spending, because it started under him. He makes the obligatory "deregulation" reference, (also totally inaccurate), and criticizes Bush's prescription plan for being underfunded.

For the record though, Obama is not a Socialist (you wish). He is a communist, intent on appropriating all power and control to the state. A plan that is clearly evident in everything he says, if you have half a brain to listen for it. He wants the state to by your mother and father. The one you come to for money, ask permission when you want to think or speak, and who handles all your finances for you since you can't be trusted. And it makes perfect sense. The government played this role for Obama, putting food on his table, putting him through school, and all this despite his not even being a natural born citizen.

[Danzig in the Dark]

I came across this commentary on facebook :

Obama thinks everyone is as stupid as the people that voted for him. He makes the loosest most general statements possible, to attempt to imply that Bush is responsible for all the rampant spending, because it started under him. He makes the obligatory "deregulation" reference, (also totally inaccurate), and criticizes Bush's prescription plan for being underfunded.

For the record though, Obama is not a Socialist (you wish). He is a communist, intent on appropriating all power and control to the state. A plan that is clearly evident in everything he says, if you have half a brain to listen for it. He wants the state to by your mother and father. The one you come to for money, ask permission when you want to think or speak, and who handles all your finances for you since you can't be trusted. And it makes perfect sense. The government played this role for Obama, putting food on his table, putting him through school, and all this despite his not even being a natural born citizen.

There is no intellectual bar to joining Facebook.

[KneelandBobDylan]

I came across this commentary on facebook :

Obama thinks everyone is as stupid as the people that voted for him. He makes the loosest most general statements possible, to attempt to imply that Bush is responsible for all the rampant spending, because it started under him. He makes the obligatory "deregulation" reference, (also totally inaccurate), and criticizes Bush's prescription plan for being underfunded.

For the record though, Obama is not a Socialist (you wish). He is a communist, intent on appropriating all power and control to the state. A plan that is clearly evident in everything he says, if you have half a brain to listen for it. He wants the state to by your mother and father. The one you come to for money, ask permission when you want to think or speak, and who handles all your finances for you since you can't be trusted. And it makes perfect sense. The government played this role for Obama, putting food on his table, putting him through school, and all this despite his not even being a natural born citizen.

What rampant spending?

[Nevermind]

What rampant spending?

That has been debunked several times over now.
1. It lumps 2009 spending in with Bush, but in reality, Bush was only President for a short time in FY 2009. Yes, it says Stimulus spending was credited to Obama, but there was also a lot more additional spending authorized by Obama that isn't included.

2. About $800 Billion of that spending under Bush was one-time spending under TARP, to help bail out the banks. That shouldn't be counted as normal year to year spending. Furthermore, a lot of that TARP spending was repaid by banks in 2010. Logically, this means in 2010, with no additional TARP spending and TARP funds being repaid, we should have seen spending drop by a Trillion bucks in 2010. No such thing happened because Obama raised year to year spending by that amount."
The calculation from OCT 2009, forgetting $1.3 TRILLION spent by Obama in the first half of the Year

Feb. 2009 Obama signed $818 Billion "Stimulus"
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1/show
Mar. 2009 Obama signed $410 Billion "Omnibus Appropriations Act"
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1105/show
Jun. 2009 Obama signed $106 Billion "Supplemental Appropriations Act"
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2346/show
I'll also add that the table is based on percentage increases. The Congress (who used to make the budget, at least until dictator Obama) stuck Bush with a massive budget at the end of his Presidency thus raising Bush higher than he should be and lowering Obama below what he should be.

Bottom line is this: Obama has increased the debt $6 trillion in only 3 1/2 years nearly doubling the national debt. He's increased the debt as much as the first 41 Presidents and half of W. Bush's Presidency COMBINED. It took us 228 years to accumulate the same amount of debt that Obama has in just 3 1/2. He didn't do that being the smallest spender. You can spin it however you want, but you can't escape the debt

[Constantine]

LOL!

Owned!

Obama looses!!

[KneelandBobDylan]

What rampant spending?

That has been debunked several times over now.
1. It lumps 2009 spending in with Bush, but in reality, Bush was only President for a short time in FY 2009. Yes, it says Stimulus spending was credited to Obama, but there was also a lot more additional spending authorized by Obama that isn't included.

2. About $800 Billion of that spending under Bush was one-time spending under TARP, to help bail out the banks. That shouldn't be counted as normal year to year spending. Furthermore, a lot of that TARP spending was repaid by banks in 2010. Logically, this means in 2010, with no additional TARP spending and TARP funds being repaid, we should have seen spending drop by a Trillion bucks in 2010. No such thing happened because Obama raised year to year spending by that amount."
The calculation from OCT 2009, forgetting $1.3 TRILLION spent by Obama in the first half of the Year

Feb. 2009 Obama signed $818 Billion "Stimulus"
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1/show
Mar. 2009 Obama signed $410 Billion "Omnibus Appropriations Act"
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1105/show
Jun. 2009 Obama signed $106 Billion "Supplemental Appropriations Act"
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2346/show
I'll also add that the table is based on percentage increases. The Congress (who used to make the budget, at least until dictator Obama) stuck Bush with a massive budget at the end of his Presidency thus raising Bush higher than he should be and lowering Obama below what he should be.

Bottom line is this: Obama has increased the debt $6 trillion in only 3 1/2 years nearly doubling the national debt. He's increased the debt as much as the first 41 Presidents and half of W. Bush's Presidency COMBINED. It took us 228 years to accumulate the same amount of debt that Obama has in just 3 1/2. He didn't do that being the smallest spender. You can spin it however you want, but you can't escape the debt

You mean the debt caused by 2 unfunded wars, tax cuts for the rich and medicare plan D?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -lowest-s/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/10 ... r-deficit/


So YOU can spin it any way you like, spending has gone down under Obama. Have a nice day.

[Constantine]

Obama: 'Chicago Is an Example of What Makes This Country Great'


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/oba ... 49896.html

[Moggio]

So YOU can spin it any way you like, spending has gone down under Obama. Have a nice day.

No, it has NOT. Obama has spent $6 trillion in only 3 1/2 years. That's about $1 trillion MORE than Bush Jnr. spent in 8 years, genius. Get your facts straight. This has already been covered.

[KneelandBobDylan]

So YOU can spin it any way you like, spending has gone down under Obama. Have a nice day.

No, it has NOT. Obama has spent $6 trillion in only 3 1/2 years. That's about $1 trillion MORE than Bush Jnr. spent in 8 years, genius. Get your facts straight. This has already been covered.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas ... no-or-not/

Read it. I'll sit over here and laugh at your inability to comprehend it.

[Constantine]

Would love Bernanke to say how he's done everything he can and that the country has been let down by Congress and its special interests and to vote them all out.

[Constantine]

Obama has millions of fake Twitter followers

President Obama's Twitter account has 18.8 million followers -- but more than half of them really don't exist, according to reports.

A new Web tool has determined that 70% of Obama's crowd includes "fake followers," The New York Times reports in a story about how Twitter followers can be purchased.


http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... DeS1NZlQ19

[Moggio]

So YOU can spin it any way you like, spending has gone down under Obama. Have a nice day.

No, it has NOT. Obama has spent $6 trillion in only 3 1/2 years. That's about $1 trillion MORE than Bush Jnr. spent in 8 years, genius. Get your facts straight. This has already been covered.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas ... no-or-not/

Read it. I'll sit over here and laugh at your inability to comprehend it.

The ONLY thing you should be laughing at is your EXTREME stupidity.

[KneelandBobDylan]

The ONLY thing you should be laughing at is your EXTREME stupidity.

You having the audacity to call someone else stupid, boggles the mind.

[Moggio]

The ONLY thing you should be laughing at is your EXTREME stupidity.

You having the audacity to call someone else stupid, boggles the mind.

You having the gall to debate me when you clearly don't know SHIT, is astonishing.

[Constantine]

Chinese media slams Romney as convention begins


http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... ion_begins

[Constantine]

Why Look So Mad: You are right to a point. If you are born a Moslem, you are expected to stay one, if you don't you are an apostate and subject to the death penalty according to the Koran (sorry Aser but your avoiding facts). The exception to this is that a Moslem can pretend to be another religion in order to undermine a non-Moslem state or to get near an enemy in order to slay them. These were Mohhamed's own words (check the Hadditha), and therefore have the same affect as those of Allah.

[Turner Coates]

You having the gall to debate me when you clearly don't know SHIT, is astonishing.

You don't debate. You just copy and paste the words of others.
Besides that, you aren't a citizen of the US. You can't vote in this election.
Your participation in the discussion is worthless and illegitimate.

[Moggio]

You having the gall to debate me when you clearly don't know SHIT, is astonishing.

You don't debate. You just copy and paste the words of others.
Besides that, you aren't a citizen of the US. You can't vote in this election.
Your participation in the discussion is worthless and illegitimate.

POT. KETTLE. BLACK.

I do debate. You just ignore the evidence and/or proof that I provide...conveniently.

And because I'm not an American citizen, that means my participation in this discussion is worthless and illegitimate? Look, shithead, as long as one understands a particular country's political system (and I definitely understand US politics), it doesn't matter where the fuck you're from.

On the other hand, almost every single one of your posts on the War Board since I joined the discussions here a few weeks ago, has not ONCE resulted in a convincing rebuttal. ALL you do is attack me. That's it.

Holy jumping shit-balls, Batman.

[DEATH ROW JOE]

2. About $800 Billion of that spending under Bush was one-time spending under TARP, to help bail out the banks.
Furthermore, a lot of that TARP spending was repaid by banks in 2010. Logically, this means in 2010, with no additional TARP spending and TARP funds being repaid, we should have seen spending drop by a Trillion bucks in 2010. No such thing happened because Obama raised year to year spending by that amount."

LMFAO, you have literally no fucking idea what you are talking about. Nothing you said in that post was correct. Your comments about TARP prove you don't have a clue and did not even attempt to find a clue.

Read this asshole: The Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act reduced the maximum authorization for the program from $700 billion to $475 billion

There is a TARP tracker. Total TARP spending was $412 Billion. Total TARP receipts were $344 Billion.
http://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Pa ... acker.aspx



You don't even realize that money counts against the budget when the treasury spends it, not when the bill is signed into law. The 432 billion was spread over several years. It wasn't all part of FY 2009 spending.

You don't know shit about the stimulus either. The stimulus was 240 billion in grants and loans, 232 billion in entitlements. The rest is tax cuts. So spending increased 472 billion but that is spread over FY 2009, 2010 an 2011. In FY 2009, the spending was about 100 billion. Stimulus checks started to go out in June 2009 and FY 2009 ended in Oct 2009.

Recovery.Gov
http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx


FY 2009 spending increased by about 300 billion due to TARP and the stimulus. The revenue that came in from TARP was 344 billion spread over several years. It wasn't a trillion in FY 2010 as you claimed.

Politifact refutes all the arguments you made. Read their analysis and you'll see that spending did not grow dramatically under Obama. Even if you look at spending in the ways most favorable to whoever wants to label Obama a big spender, he is not one relative to other presidents.

Barack Obama has lowest spending record of any recent president
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -lowest-s/

[DEATH ROW JOE]

No, it has NOT. Obama has spent $6 trillion in only 3 1/2 years. That's about $1 trillion MORE than Bush Jnr. spent in 8 years, genius. Get your facts straight. This has already been covered.

Holy cow you are fucking stupid. That's national debt, not spending shit for brains. National debt grew faster because tax revenue is lower due to unemployment and tax cuts plus you're dealing with higher nominal numbers due to inflation and population growth.

The federal govt spent 19.16 trillion from 2001 through 2008. The federal govt spent 14.38 trillion from 2009 through 2012. Spending grew 6.57%/year ((2.98/1.79)^1/8) from 2000 through 2008. Spending grew 6.2%/year ((3.8/2.98)^1/4) from 2008 to 2012. So even if you use FY 2008 rather than FY 2009 as the base year, spending has not grown more rapidly under Obama.

According to Ron Paul, the annual rate of inflation from 00 through 12 is about 6% so spending has barely kept pace with inflation since 2000 if your cult leader is correct (only an idiot would think his rate of inflation is correct).

Ron Paul: Inflation Statistics Are Rigged
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-02-11/ron-p ... l-failure/

[Turner Coates]

[Moggio]

No, it has NOT. Obama has spent $6 trillion in only 3 1/2 years. That's about $1 trillion MORE than Bush Jnr. spent in 8 years, genius. Get your facts straight. This has already been covered.

Holy cow you are fucking stupid. That's national debt, not spending shit for brains. National debt grew faster because tax revenue is lower due to unemployment and tax cuts plus you're dealing with higher nominal numbers due to inflation and population growth.

The federal govt spent 19.16 trillion from 2001 through 2008. The federal govt spent 14.38 trillion from 2009 through 2012. Spending grew 6.57%/year ((2.98/1.79)^1/8) from 2000 through 2008. Spending grew 6.2%/year ((3.8/2.98)^1/4) from 2008 to 2012. So even if you use FY 2008 rather than FY 2009 as the base year, spending has not grown more rapidly under Obama.

What you're trying to obviously conceal, because you're a fucking CUNT, is the FACT that spending taxpayer dollars isn't essentially the same damn thing as adding to the debt, despite the FACT in this case it is, fuckhead. And the rate in which Obama has added to the debt / spent US taxpayers dollars is of NO concern. So, STOP splitting hairs.

The FACT remains that Bush added to the debt / spent $4.9 TRILLION US taxpayers dollars in 8 years vs. Obama's already $6 TRILLION.

This means that Obama has added to the debt / spent US taxpayers dollars by $1 TRILLION more than Bush did...and in only 3 1/2 years. That's more $$$ than ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.

According to Ron Paul, the annual rate of inflation from 00 through 12 is about 6% so spending has barely kept pace with inflation since 2000 if your cult leader is correct (only an idiot would think his rate of inflation is correct).

Ron Paul: Inflation Statistics Are Rigged
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-02-11/ron-p ... l-failure/

The link you provided is from Feb. 2011, moron. So, how in the world can Ron Paul (not a cult leader because he has MILLIONS of supporters) be comparing inflation rates from 2000-2012?

Also, you did NOT provide links for the above chart and table info.

You obviously don't know how to read, dumbfuck.

[Turner Coates]

[Constantine]

Look how fucking mental and irresponsible that goverment is. What about people with mental problems believing this.



Govt warns of 'zombie apocalypse

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 6-17-39-15

[Moggio]

Nope. You STILL haven't learned to comprehend yet.

What about people with mental problems believing this.

That's definitely a problem on this forum!

[Turner Coates]

[Moggio]

Ron Paul has won plenty. And he hasn't quit, moron. The Liberty Movement is full-steam-head.

[Constantine]

HILLARY STAYS 10,000 MILES AWAY FROM CHARLOTTE...


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/0 ... charlotte/