Dave Navarro, Eric Avery, Stephen Perkins sues Perry Farrel

[Velvis]

The guys in the band have hated Farrell for a long time. I'm assuming the reason they kept going back was because they would make more playing in Jane's than in any other band they could form.

From Wikipedia regarding their first studio album, 1988's Nothing's Shocking:

During the recording sessions, Farrell stated he wanted 50% of the band's publishing royalties for writing the lyrics, plus a quarter of the remaining half for writing music, adding up to 62.5%. Bassist Eric Avery said he and the other members – guitarist Dave Navarro and drummer Stephen Perkins – were stunned by these demands. Farrell refused to compromise. One day Jerden drove to the studio to find Farrell, Navarro and Perkins leaving. Farrell told him the band had broken up and there would be no record. Warner Bros. called an emergency meeting to resolve the situation. Farrell received the royalty percentages he sought, with the other members receiving 12.5 percent each. Avery said the incident had a profound effect on the band, creating an internal fracture.

Not long after the royalties dispute, Farrell and Avery – who had co-founded the band – had a falling-out. This was the result of Avery's newfound sobriety as well as an incident in which Farrell believed Avery had drunkenly tried to pick up his girlfriend. "Unfortunately," Farrell recalled, "the tensions between Eric and I affected the whole family". Some people were asked to take sides, and others just moped about because they didn't know what was going on. Perkins, however, is reported to have got along with Navarro, Avery and Farrell.

"""""""""""""""""The guys in the band have hated Farrell for a long time.""""""""""""""""""""""

This!

And people wonder why Skid Row won't take Sebastian Bach back into their band.

The truth is, they don't really like the guy... they didn't like how he was 30 years ago, and they've watched him act the fool for 25+ years since booting him!

So, to save themselves from what would likely be a 'walking on egg-shells' world and tour with him back... they have simply said; "No thank you."

But... the diehard delusional fanboys won't let it go.

$tEvil

This seems like a stretch. Bach is behaves like a toddler for sure and would be super annoying to be around and that doesn't seem to have changed much in old age, but I never got the vibe any of them despised each other and is there any financial dealings like Jane's Addiction that soured the relationship?

And isn't Perry a drug addict with a nutty wife who wants them to record in Doubly?

Point is Sebastian is likely insufferable to be around and his presence isn't worth the $ to deal with it. I don't think it's much deeper than that. The Jane's thing seems to have much deeper issues than our singer is an obnoxious tool.

If more money was on the table I have no doubt Rachel and Scotti would change their minds.

[Velvis]

The guys in the band have hated Farrell for a long time. I'm assuming the reason they kept going back was because they would make more playing in Jane's than in any other band they could form.

From Wikipedia regarding their first studio album, 1988's Nothing's Shocking:

During the recording sessions, Farrell stated he wanted 50% of the band's publishing royalties for writing the lyrics, plus a quarter of the remaining half for writing music, adding up to 62.5%. Bassist Eric Avery said he and the other members – guitarist Dave Navarro and drummer Stephen Perkins – were stunned by these demands. Farrell refused to compromise. One day Jerden drove to the studio to find Farrell, Navarro and Perkins leaving. Farrell told him the band had broken up and there would be no record. Warner Bros. called an emergency meeting to resolve the situation. Farrell received the royalty percentages he sought, with the other members receiving 12.5 percent each. Avery said the incident had a profound effect on the band, creating an internal fracture.

Not long after the royalties dispute, Farrell and Avery – who had co-founded the band – had a falling-out. This was the result of Avery's newfound sobriety as well as an incident in which Farrell believed Avery had drunkenly tried to pick up his girlfriend. "Unfortunately," Farrell recalled, "the tensions between Eric and I affected the whole family". Some people were asked to take sides, and others just moped about because they didn't know what was going on. Perkins, however, is reported to have got along with Navarro, Avery and Farrell.

"""""""""""""""""The guys in the band have hated Farrell for a long time.""""""""""""""""""""""

This!

And people wonder why Skid Row won't take Sebastian Bach back into their band.

The truth is, they don't really like the guy... they didn't like how he was 30 years ago, and they've watched him act the fool for 25+ years since booting him!

So, to save themselves from what would likely be a 'walking on egg-shells' world and tour with him back... they have simply said; "No thank you."

But... the diehard delusional fanboys won't let it go.

$tEvil

This seems like a stretch. Bach is behaves like a toddler for sure and would be super annoying to be around and that doesn't seem to have changed much in old age, but I never got the vibe any of them despised each other and is there any financial dealings like Jane's Addiction that soured the relationship?

And isn't Perry a drug addict with a nutty wife who wants them to record in Doubly?

Point is Sebastian is likely insufferable to be around and his presence isn't worth the $ to deal with it. I don't think it's much deeper than that. The Jane's thing seems to have much deeper issues than our singer is an obnoxious tool.

If more money was on the table I have no doubt Rachel and Scotti would change their minds.

[RaceFan3]

Off-topic but didn't someone post a video here of Navarro playing a song or two with Marilyn Manson? At least I think it was Navarro...can't recall and it's driving me nuts. Wasn't pro shot, but was a cool tune, slow & heavy. It was Manson and someone, thought it was Dave. I know that's vague as fuck but I do remember seeing it here a couple years ago.

Might not even have been Dave, and it might have been Manson guesting with someone else, not the other way around. My memory is dull as fuck on this one.

Carry on.

[TheCULTofMANSON]

Sounds like Perry’s right.
He shouldn’t have got in Dave’s personal space, but they shouldn’t have canceled the tour.

Yup

[HottKarl777]

Sounds like Perry’s right.
He shouldn’t have got in Dave’s personal space, but they shouldn’t have canceled the tour.

Yup

Bull fucking shit. That behavior was beyond the pale. Navarro was completely in the right to never go onstage with that abusive psycho. Are you guys on crack? He punched Dave in the face backstage. At what point is it too much for you guys?? Or does anything go? Seriously....

[HueyRamone]

Heres Perry's isolated vocals before the fight. If you can make asstons of $ to sing that shittily, maybe dont be angry and fuck it up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McPjstN ... ElrodSucks

[DangerZone]

Sounds like Perry’s right.
He shouldn’t have got in Dave’s personal space, but they shouldn’t have canceled the tour.

Yup

Bull fucking shit. That behavior was beyond the pale. Navarro was completely in the right to never go onstage with that abusive psycho. Are you guys on crack? He punched Dave in the face backstage. At what point is it too much for you guys?? Or does anything go? Seriously....

They may have a case for assault. But they just preemptively canceled the tour - so they may be holding the bag for the money lost. It’s not a matter of feelings

[jens]

This all blew up because the band wouldn't let his wife onstage. And then the final straw was when they wouldn't let him play videos of her dancing on the screens during the performance.

Hilarious! It must suck bad to be dependant on that dude to make money.

[TheCULTofMANSON]

This all blew up because the band wouldn't let his wife onstage. And then the final straw was when they wouldn't let him play videos of her dancing on the screens during the performance.

Hilarious! It must suck bad to be dependant on that dude to make money.

Both Perry and the other 3 have tried to do other bands and they never went anywhere, they need eachother. If GNR and The Cult can do it then Janes certainly can

[FreddyFender]

This all blew up because the band wouldn't let his wife onstage. And then the final straw was when they wouldn't let him play videos of her dancing on the screens during the performance.

Hilarious! It must suck bad to be dependant on that dude to make money.

Both Perry and the other 3 have tried to do other bands and they never went anywhere, they need eachother. If GNR and The Cult can do it then Janes certainly can

It took Slash getting a divorce from his wife/manager to get him back in GNR.

Same probably applies to Perry. Time will tell.

[fromanotherplace82]

Sounds like Perry’s right.
He shouldn’t have got in Dave’s personal space, but they shouldn’t have canceled the tour.

From what i heard they had no choice. Plus his wife pretty much tried to sabotage the whole tour from the beginning when she found out she wasn't going to be allowed to dance. I've met both Perry and his wife and he's pretty much a vegetable from years of drug use and she's very nagging and controlling and insists in inserting herself into everything he does.

Cleary says that before the initial European leg of the tour — which found the original four members coming together for the first time in 14 years — they had agreed to proceed as a democracy. And one of those democratic decisions at the time was that “we just want to be four guys on stage —no backup singers, no dancers, none of that. Old school music speaks for itself. … And I do know that there was immediate pushback from Perry on that issue.” Some previous tours under the band’s name that had not included all the original players had utilized Etty Lau Farrell and other dancers on stage, but the singer went along with the other musicians’ wishes to not include that element.

But before the U.S. leg of the tour, the subject came up again, now with the possibility of having the dancers on video, which the rest of the band nixed. The other members commissioned some non-dancing video content, which Farrell turned down. In this account, Farrell, who had allegedly not attended rehearsals, showed up a few hours before the start of the Las Vegas opener with video content he had filmed “of Etty and I think some other women in the desert dancing. No dancers on the stage, but now uyou want to put ‘em behind us dancing — it’s kind of the same thing… It’s 2024, it’s a bit of a different time. You know, having scantily clad chicks on stage or on video, I don’t think it’s as empowering as maybe the Farrells might think it is… The Farrells sort of couldn’t let go of this thing, to the point that before the first show, Perry quit the band.”

Newman, who had come out for the Vegas opener, further discusses with his host how Etty Lau Farrell was “out in this public area yelling about how Perry is going home and the tour is over, and this is in front of our Live Nation reps, who are the people that basically promote the tour and front the bill for the tour. And when they start hearing that people are going home before the first show, obviously they get very squirrelly and very concerned.”

More details about what happened here.
https://variety.com/2024/music/news/jan ... 236157389/

[OKWhiteFalcon]

...More details about what happened here.
https://variety.com/2024/music/news/jan ... 236157389/

Here's the entire interview with Jane's crew member Dan Cleary the Variety article references:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVvDL6v2K8E&t=4s

[DangerZone]

Sounds like Perry’s right.
He shouldn’t have got in Dave’s personal space, but they shouldn’t have canceled the tour.

From what i heard they had no choice. Plus his wife pretty much tried to sabotage the whole tour from the beginning when she found out she wasn't going to be allowed to dance. I've met both Perry and his wife and he's pretty much a vegetable from years of drug use and she's very nagging and controlling and insists in inserting herself into everything he does.

Cleary says that before the initial European leg of the tour — which found the original four members coming together for the first time in 14 years — they had agreed to proceed as a democracy. And one of those democratic decisions at the time was that “we just want to be four guys on stage —no backup singers, no dancers, none of that. Old school music speaks for itself. … And I do know that there was immediate pushback from Perry on that issue.” Some previous tours under the band’s name that had not included all the original players had utilized Etty Lau Farrell and other dancers on stage, but the singer went along with the other musicians’ wishes to not include that element.

But before the U.S. leg of the tour, the subject came up again, now with the possibility of having the dancers on video, which the rest of the band nixed. The other members commissioned some non-dancing video content, which Farrell turned down. In this account, Farrell, who had allegedly not attended rehearsals, showed up a few hours before the start of the Las Vegas opener with video content he had filmed “of Etty and I think some other women in the desert dancing. No dancers on the stage, but now uyou want to put ‘em behind us dancing — it’s kind of the same thing… It’s 2024, it’s a bit of a different time. You know, having scantily clad chicks on stage or on video, I don’t think it’s as empowering as maybe the Farrells might think it is… The Farrells sort of couldn’t let go of this thing, to the point that before the first show, Perry quit the band.”

Newman, who had come out for the Vegas opener, further discusses with his host how Etty Lau Farrell was “out in this public area yelling about how Perry is going home and the tour is over, and this is in front of our Live Nation reps, who are the people that basically promote the tour and front the bill for the tour. And when they start hearing that people are going home before the first show, obviously they get very squirrelly and very concerned.”

More details about what happened here.
https://variety.com/2024/music/news/jan ... 236157389/

I’m not a lawyer but it seems whoever canceled will be liable for the money lost.
He may be a vegetable but he seems conniving & smart enough to hire the right legal team

[Michael Hotts Ghost]

The dude sings like a wounded mule. How can people sit there and watch that crap? I understand years ago when he could still sing, but now it’s just stupid. You would think a band that big would have a band contract and there would be certain things spelled out.

Navarro could do a Slash Snakepit type of band, find some good singer, put out an album, and go out and play 2 or 3 tracks from the album and then fill the rest of the night with Jane‘s Addiction songs, and maybe a few covers. The other guys are screwed since they don’t have any name recognition..

[GoodJudge]

The dude sings like a wounded mule. How can people sit there and watch that crap? I understand years ago when he could still sing, but now it’s just stupid.

Let me tell you about a band called Kiss...

[Wiseacre]

Can we all sue every guy who had his amp so loud we couldn’t hear ourselves singing onstage?

[grishnak boss]

Dave wants $10m for 1 punch, the other 2 want money for "emotional distress". This is a bunch of grown men, hard-touring ex-alkies, ex-junkies. WTF have they got '"emotional distress" about? "Oh noes, the nasty man with the silly hair was mean to me and I need therapy". Bunch of fucking pussies. Maybe they'll read this and sue me for emotional distress as well.

ETA I've just read Sleek's post above. Of course it's about the touring money but why not say so instead of this wussy, playground "waah! He hurt my feelings and I can't cope!" BS.

Sit down, fucking boomer. We get it, you're traumatized by daddy's beatings & mommy's neglect - that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to handle things the way you have.

Fuck off.

[grishnak boss]

Hilarious! It must suck bad to be dependant on that dude to make money.

Both Perry and the other 3 have tried to do other bands and they never went anywhere, they need eachother. If GNR and The Cult can do it then Janes certainly can

It took Slash getting a divorce from his wife/manager to get him back in GNR.

Same probably applies to Perry. Time will tell.

Not a lot of time left, thou'....we're talkin'bout a 66 yrs old senior

[eddie lee roth]

Dave wants $10m for 1 punch, the other 2 want money for "emotional distress". This is a bunch of grown men, hard-touring ex-alkies, ex-junkies. WTF have they got '"emotional distress" about? "Oh noes, the nasty man with the silly hair was mean to me and I need therapy". Bunch of fucking pussies. Maybe they'll read this and sue me for emotional distress as well.

ETA I've just read Sleek's post above. Of course it's about the touring money but why not say so instead of this wussy, playground "waah! He hurt my feelings and I can't cope!" BS.

Sit down, fucking boomer. We get it, you're traumatized by daddy's beatings & mommy's neglect - that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to handle things the way you have.

Fuck off.

Hey you old grumpy charm school dropout how’s life been treating you?

[grishnak boss]

Dave wants $10m for 1 punch, the other 2 want money for "emotional distress". This is a bunch of grown men, hard-touring ex-alkies, ex-junkies. WTF have they got '"emotional distress" about? "Oh noes, the nasty man with the silly hair was mean to me and I need therapy". Bunch of fucking pussies. Maybe they'll read this and sue me for emotional distress as well.

ETA I've just read Sleek's post above. Of course it's about the touring money but why not say so instead of this wussy, playground "waah! He hurt my feelings and I can't cope!" BS.

Sit down, fucking boomer. We get it, you're traumatized by daddy's beatings & mommy's neglect - that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to handle things the way you have.

Fuck off.

Hey you old grumpy charm school dropout how’s life been treating you?

Hey brother, I'm doin' good, thx! - living in the fuckin' land of the fascists, what a time to be alive, huh?

How are you? Send me a PM.

[Tommy2Tone84]

Good. Farrel is really annoying. And he's got an awful voice.

This. Good riddance. The three of them are a good band and need to find a singer who isn’t tone deaf.

[Tommy2Tone84]

The dude sings like a wounded mule. How can people sit there and watch that crap? I understand years ago when he could still sing, but now it’s just stupid.

Let me tell you about a band called Kiss...

KISS are the Beatles compared to Jane’s Addiction

Jane’s clown singer always sang like a wounded mule