NFL 2011 Thread

[Luminiferous]

A review of the Denver Broncos' pre-snap formation on the game-winning touchdown pass from Tim Tebow to Demaryius Thomas suggests that the play could have been ruled illegal.

Only six Denver Broncos players were lined up on the line of scrimmage before the snap. NFL rules say that a team must have seven or more players on the line for a snap to be legal. As the picture above shows, tight end Dante Rosario was well behind his teammates.

The formation eventually caught the eye of current Fox analyst and former NFL Vice President of Officiating Mike Pereira. He dismissed any suggestion that the play should have been whistled dead. "Watch on any Sunday," he tweeted. "This is a good formation compared to many. They are not technical with this."

I caught the Chiefs/Raiders game on December 24th and the Raiders got flagged three times for this same penalty..
Twice in the same series in the 2nd quarter..

[bigbuttskinner]

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Via various media outlets, including an item from the Bay Area News Group that ended up on the Denver Post website, it appears that the Broncos had only six players on the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball.

Per NFL.com (via the Denver Post), the league says the formation was legal. “There is nothing to this,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told NFL.com. “This is a legal formation. This should not have been flagged.”

By rule, seven players must be on the line of scrimmage at the start of every play. On the play in question, the quarterback, a running back, and two wide receivers are clearly behind the line. There’s a tight end at the top of the screen — Dante Rosario — who isn’t flush with the rest of the linemen.

The video of the play shows that receiver Eddie Royal came in motion before the snap, with the play starting just as Royal made it near the tight end on the right side of the field.

Even if a violation occurred, the Broncos realized no advantage, but for the reality that Demaryius Thomas (if he was supposed to be on the line of scrimmage) was in better position to avoid a jam from cornerback Ike Taylor, because Thomas could avoid starting the play with Taylor in his face.

Regardless, it looked close. More importantly, it wasn’t called. Most importantly, the league says it wasn’t even a violation.

[Rorysfan]

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Via various media outlets, including an item from the Bay Area News Group that ended up on the Denver Post website, it appears that the Broncos had only six players on the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball.

Per NFL.com (via the Denver Post), the league says the formation was legal. “There is nothing to this,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told NFL.com. “This is a legal formation. This should not have been flagged.”

By rule, seven players must be on the line of scrimmage at the start of every play. On the play in question, the quarterback, a running back, and two wide receivers are clearly behind the line. There’s a tight end at the top of the screen — Dante Rosario — who isn’t flush with the rest of the linemen.

The video of the play shows that receiver Eddie Royal came in motion before the snap, with the play starting just as Royal made it near the tight end on the right side of the field.

Even if a violation occurred, the Broncos realized no advantage, but for the reality that Demaryius Thomas (if he was supposed to be on the line of scrimmage) was in better position to avoid a jam from cornerback Ike Taylor, because Thomas could avoid starting the play with Taylor in his face.

Regardless, it looked close. More importantly, it wasn’t called. Most importantly, the league says it wasn’t even a violation.

No, most importantly the NFL wanted Brady vs Tebow on primetime this Saturday night. The NFL is about as real as pro wrestling any more.

[Pimp_From_The_Grave]

That McGahee guy is a real scrub.

I give McGahee alot of credit.

You should. He's had an amazing season.

Thanks to Tebow...your right.

[Pimp_From_The_Grave]

In the Broncos’ defeat of the Steelers on Sunday in the first round of the NFL playoffs, there were calls and non-calls clearly missed by the umpiring crew. Like in most games. It’s something Mike Klis answered in his mailbag today.

But beyond that, some in their Monday morning chairs wondered if the Broncos lined up in an illegal formation on Tim Tebow’s game-winning, 80-yard TD pass to Demaryius Thomas in overtime.

The question was: Did Denver have six men on the line of scrimmage (one too few)?

The NFL quickly addressed the question Tuesday.



NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told NFL.com:

“There is nothing to this. This is a legal formation. This should not have been flagged.”

And Mike Pereira, Fox TV’s expert on rules (he’s also the former NFL vice president of officials), agreed. He told NFL.com:

“Watch on any Sunday. This is a good formation compared to many. They are not technical with this.”



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No, most importantly the NFL wanted Brady vs Tebow on primetime this Saturday night. The NFL is about as real as pro wrestling any more.

Sorry OLIVER STONE...........


Here's what the owner of the Steelers had to say after the game.....


"We got three huge breaks: the lateral pass to Mike Wallace they whistled dead, the (Willis) McGahee fumble, and Champ Bailey's dropped interception. And we still had to pull a rabbit out of the hat to tie."



Welcome to Wrongsville population You.......

[bane]

To the tin foil hay crowd: bullshit.

Look at that formation. Yeah, they COULD have called it, because by the letter of the law Denver wasn't lined up 100% correctly, but come on. The line wasn't straight. Big fucking whoop. There was zero competitive advantage. The non call was the right call. Shut the fuck up.The Tebows pulled off another miracle and LAtebowgroupie gets to spew for another week. Move on.

[bane]

That's what I'm saying. And that's why I put him in the same boat as Sanchez. They are not effective leaders.
.

I don't think those guys are in the same category. Romo has elite level skills. He just doesn't have that "it" factor. Sanchez doesn't possess those skills, yet he's managed to win over and over again when the pressure was strongest. Put those two together and you've got Peyton or Brady. Without it, you've got a horrible QB that can win when he shouldn'tand a great QB that can't win when it's on his shoulders.

[cantstopthemusic]

No, most importantly the NFL wanted Brady vs Tebow on primetime this Saturday night. The NFL is about as real as pro wrestling any more.

You're a fucking moron.

It's all fixed!

That's why the Steelers "incomplete backward pass" (aka: FUMBLE) was blown dead (by a whistle) to render the play non-reviewable, right?

[SkyDog112046]

The illegal formation is a non-issue. It had no bearing on the play. I hate it when the refs drop a flag on something that doesn't affect the outcome such as calling holding on a receiver who gets tangled up with a defender on the other side of the field after the ball has already been thrown.

The only issue with the refs in that game was the screw up on the fumbled lateral. I think it's something that is symptomatic with the refs - they tend to make calls against a team with a nice lead that is about to extend the lead. And then the game inevitably ends up being closer than it should. You do have to wonder if there is some type of mandate for keeping the game close or if it is just human nature to not want to see a team blown out.

If they didn't botch that call it would have been a minimum of 23-6 which would have caused Pittsburgh to have to start pressing and the way they were playing up to that point there is no way they would have closed the gap. That situation typically leads to mistakes which leads to routs.

[Rorysfan]

No, most importantly the NFL wanted Brady vs Tebow on primetime this Saturday night. The NFL is about as real as pro wrestling any more.

You're a fucking moron.

It's all fixed!

That's why the Steelers "incomplete backward pass" (aka: FUMBLE) was blown dead (by a whistle) to render the play non-reviewable, right?

No, you are a complete fucking moron if you don't think the NFL wanted this matchup. That's why they let go of an illegal formation on the winning pass. Yeah, that certainly makes up for blowing the fumble call. Go back to sucking on mama's teet.

[Pimp_From_The_Grave]

No, you are a complete fucking moron if you don't think the NFL wanted this matchup. That's why they let go of an illegal formation on the winning pass. Yeah, that certainly makes up for blowing the fumble call. Go back to sucking on mama's teet.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told NFL.com:

“There is nothing to this. This is a legal formation. This should not have been flagged.”

And Mike Pereira, Fox TV’s expert on rules (he’s also the former NFL vice president of officials), agreed. He told NFL.com:

“Watch on any Sunday. This is a good formation compared to many. They are not technical with this.” [/size]



Here's what the owner of the Steelers had to say after the game.....


"We got three huge breaks: the lateral pass to Mike Wallace they whistled dead, the (Willis) McGahee fumble, and Champ Bailey's dropped interception. And we still had to pull a rabbit out of the hat to tie."

[SkyDog112046]

No, most importantly the NFL wanted Brady vs Tebow on primetime this Saturday night. The NFL is about as real as pro wrestling any more.

You're a fucking moron.

It's all fixed!

That's why the Steelers "incomplete backward pass" (aka: FUMBLE) was blown dead (by a whistle) to render the play non-reviewable, right?

No, you are a complete fucking moron if you don't think the NFL wanted this matchup. That's why they let go of an illegal formation on the winning pass. Yeah, that certainly makes up for blowing the fumble call. Go back to sucking on mama's teet.

If the refs didn't blow the call on the lateral it would have been 23-6 minimum and more likely 27-6 instead of 20-13. There would not have been an overtime.

If the officials wanted to they could blow a whistle on every single play because there are borderline infractions every time the ball is snapped. For example the line between a clean block and a hold is very small. They need to let the little stuff go as long as they make the calls consistently both ways.

The illegal formation in this case is one of those borderline calls that had no bearing on the play. It wasn't like there was still someone in motion so the defense couldn't react. It was just a guy who set up 3" from where he should have. Do you really want the refs blowing a whistle on every little borderline infraction they see? Calling ticky-tack shit like that just ruins the flow of the game.

[Machado]

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Via various media outlets, including an item from the Bay Area News Group that ended up on the Denver Post website, it appears that the Broncos had only six players on the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball.

Per NFL.com (via the Denver Post), the league says the formation was legal. “There is nothing to this,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told NFL.com. “This is a legal formation. This should not have been flagged.”

By rule, seven players must be on the line of scrimmage at the start of every play. On the play in question, the quarterback, a running back, and two wide receivers are clearly behind the line. There’s a tight end at the top of the screen — Dante Rosario — who isn’t flush with the rest of the linemen.

The video of the play shows that receiver Eddie Royal came in motion before the snap, with the play starting just as Royal made it near the tight end on the right side of the field.

Even if a violation occurred, the Broncos realized no advantage, but for the reality that Demaryius Thomas (if he was supposed to be on the line of scrimmage) was in better position to avoid a jam from cornerback Ike Taylor, because Thomas could avoid starting the play with Taylor in his face.

Regardless, it looked close. More importantly, it wasn’t called. Most importantly, the league says it wasn’t even a violation.

Cover Up.
The league won't admit the ref made an error here.
The league is trying to save face and they are doing a fine job.

The still photo to me shows the TE appears to be in motion.
How many times have we seen the TE go in motion, and the WR moves up a step to cover the tackle? A million times.

[poizond13]

If the refs didn't blow the call on the lateral it would have been 23-6 minimum and more likely 27-6 instead of 20-13. There would not have been an overtime.

If the officials wanted to they could blow a whistle on every single play because there are borderline infractions every time the ball is snapped. For example the line between a clean block and a hold is very small. They need to let the little stuff go as long as they make the calls consistently both ways.

The illegal formation in this case is one of those borderline calls that had no bearing on the play. It wasn't like there was still someone in motion so the defense couldn't react. It was just a guy who set up 3" from where he should have. Do you really want the refs blowing a whistle on every little borderline infraction they see? Calling ticky-tack shit like that just ruins the flow of the game.

No surprise here, a Pats fan doesn't see anything wrong with "bending the rules." Or, should I say, "mis-interpreting" the rules.

[poizond13]

The NFL needs to change this rule of allowing teams to sign coaches and other personnel during the playoffs. You can't sign any players during the post season, so why should you be able to sign coaches?? The Patriots signing of McDaniels is fishy and typical New England "bending of the rules." While not technically against the rules, I'm pretty sure it's frowned upon and looked at as bizarre. Leave it to Belichick to find a loophole in the rules that can benefit him.

[HMJ]

The NFL needs to change this rule of allowing teams to sign coaches and other personnel during the playoffs. You can't sign any players during the post season, so why should you be able to sign coaches?? The Patriots signing of McDaniels is fishy and typical New England "bending of the rules." While not technically against the rules, I'm pretty sure it's frowned upon and looked at as bizarre. Leave it to Belichick to find a loophole in the rules that can benefit him.

I think they should change that pesky "Drown the children of the offensive coordinator" rule. Gives the Packers extra sympathy points right as they head into their first playoff game. Completely unfair.

[Aquanetsuperhold]

They aren't breaking or even bending the rule. Teams do this all the time.
Ah yes, Evil Bill had it all planned out. He knew all along that Sanduskey was a child diddler, but didn't say anything until the timing was just right, then he single handedly dismantaled the Penn State Football organization, knowing all along that they would ask the Pat's guy to take Perterno's place, thus making room for McDaniels to sweep in right before Tebow made a hail mary toss to a guy born on christmas, to send the Steeler's home early so that the Broncos could play the Pats in the playoffs. What an evil, evil man.

Just stop it. You sound so ridiculous

[MurrayFiend]

The NFL needs to change this rule of allowing teams to sign coaches and other personnel during the playoffs. You can't sign any players during the post season, so why should you be able to sign coaches?? The Patriots signing of McDaniels is fishy and typical New England "bending of the rules." While not technically against the rules, I'm pretty sure it's frowned upon and looked at as bizarre. Leave it to Belichick to find a loophole in the rules that can benefit him.

I think they should change that pesky "Drown the children of the offensive coordinator" rule. Gives the Packers extra sympathy points right as they head into their first playoff game. Completely unfair.

You know, it's a wonder your standup career never took off.

[HMJ]

Heh.

[Crazy Levi]

The NFL needs to change this rule of allowing teams to sign coaches and other personnel during the playoffs. You can't sign any players during the post season, so why should you be able to sign coaches?? The Patriots signing of McDaniels is fishy and typical New England "bending of the rules." While not technically against the rules, I'm pretty sure it's frowned upon and looked at as bizarre. Leave it to Belichick to find a loophole in the rules that can benefit him.

Jesus dude.

With the Colts out of the playoffs (since about October 15) you really have too much time on your hands.

Nobody bent any fucking rules here and there's no conspiracy. The Colts just suck, that's all.

And The NY newspapers are slobbering over the prospect of this becoming a Two Manning town. You still confident he's a Colt next year?

[MickeyG]

Much straw clutching in this thread. No one with a brain gives a fuck about the "illegal formation" or McDaniels going back to the Patriots. Should be a fun weekend coming up though.

[HMJ]

Should be a fun weekend coming up though.

So fucking ready. Saturday will be heart attack day for me. Holding my breath on every play. I love the playoffs. Me with like 100 saints fans in Hollywood, trashed, living and dying by every yard. Each game could be the last.

WHAAAAT AAAAAA RUUUUUSSSHHHHHHH

[Machado]

Should be a fun weekend coming up though.

So fucking ready. Saturday will be heart attack day for me. Holding my breath on every play. I love the playoffs. Me with like 100 saints fans in Hollywood, trashed, living and dying by every yard. Each game could be the last.

WHAAAAT AAAAAA RUUUUUSSSHHHHHHH

HMJ-
How much faith do you have in your team and Star QB at 49ers this Saturday?

I would be shocked if NO did not score at least 27 point in the game.
The experience of Brees, combined with the lack of experience with the 49ers makes for a mis-match on Saturday.

NO 27
49ers 9

[poizond13]

The NFL needs to change this rule of allowing teams to sign coaches and other personnel during the playoffs. You can't sign any players during the post season, so why should you be able to sign coaches?? The Patriots signing of McDaniels is fishy and typical New England "bending of the rules." While not technically against the rules, I'm pretty sure it's frowned upon and looked at as bizarre. Leave it to Belichick to find a loophole in the rules that can benefit him.

Jesus dude.

With the Colts out of the playoffs (since about October 15) you really have too much time on your hands.

Nobody bent any fucking rules here and there's no conspiracy. The Colts just suck, that's all.

And The NY newspapers are slobbering over the prospect of this becoming a Two Manning town. You still confident he's a Colt next year?

A lotta time on my hands? Yeah, that post took me all of 25 seconds to write. Amazing.

No, we did not make the playoffs this year. First time in 11 years. How many times did the Skins make the playoffs in that span? Once?

I never said Belichick signing McDaniels was a conspiracy. I said it SHOULD be disallowed in the future. And I could care less whether YOU agree with me or not, seeing as how 70% of ALL NFL fans do agree: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -loophole/

Yeah, I'm sure New Yorkers want to see Peyton Manning come to town. They probably also want a cleaner city and better pizza. None of the above will happen. Tough shit.

[HMJ]

Should be a fun weekend coming up though.

So fucking ready. Saturday will be heart attack day for me. Holding my breath on every play. I love the playoffs. Me with like 100 saints fans in Hollywood, trashed, living and dying by every yard. Each game could be the last.

WHAAAAT AAAAAA RUUUUUSSSHHHHHHH

HMJ-
How much faith do you have in your team and Star QB at 49ers this Saturday?

I would be shocked if NO did not score at least 27 point in the game.
The experience of Brees, combined with the lack of experience with the 49ers makes for a mis-match on Saturday.

NO 27
49ers 9

Oh I have faith in the offense. It's the defense and the memories of 100 missed tackles against the Seahawks last year, or like the first couple of Lions' drives last weekend. Just can't relax. As long as we beat the 49ers scheme of keeping our offense off the field, I'm feeling good about it.

[Luminiferous]

last game of the year Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!! win and get in for Broncos, Orton will see the AFC West vicory in person and Tebowmania at its high point!

can't wait for Tebow to receive the KIng of Denver vs Chiefs

Hail the new King of Denver!

anyone thinks Tebow won't win vs Chiefs or playoffs in 1st round is a sh*the*d!

Orton's Chiefs- 7
Tebow's Broncos- 3

[LAglamrocker]

yep!
KIng of Denver 80 yard TD in overtime!

Tebow is in the Elite hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate(8)...saturday!

[Luminiferous]

Orton comes in to Denver... Beats his former team... giving Denver their 3rd straight loss, despite LA13's predictions..

Orton looked good wearing that crown as he left the Denver airport..

[LAglamrocker]

no you have it all wrong


he wore this in Denver airport!
http://shop.denverbroncos.com/Denver_Br ... Sweatshirt


prediction AFC West Champs, beat AFC Champs 1st round

[Luminiferous]

We're talking about the KIng's crown prediction, LA13..

7-3... at home...