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LMFAO, fuck you are stupid.Moggio wrote:DEATH ROW BLOW JOB conveniently forgets to include that Obama has added to the debt more than ANY other US President in history, with $6.5 trillion+. To date, the debt stands at $16.5 trillion+...
He is currently responsible for reducing the deficit from 1.47 trillion to 1.21 trillion.Sheep_Mafia wrote:So DRJ, at what point, if ever, will you hold Obama responsible for anything?
LMFAO @ you correcting me on anything ever.Sheep_Mafia wrote:2015/2016 the War's will be over and spending greatly reduced. Again, as I corrected you before, the reduction in the deficit spending was directly related to Iraq winding down. No Obama action contributed to that.
If you did not have your head up your ass, you would realize that I already held him responsible for reducing the deficit.Sheep_Mafia wrote:But all that aside, simple question--will you ever under any circumstances hold Obama responsible for anything?
Sheep_Mafia wrote:So DRJ, at what point, if ever, will you hold Obama responsible for anything? 2015/2016 the War's will be over and spending greatly reduced. Again, as I corrected you before, the reduction in the deficit spending was directly related to Iraq winding down. No Obama action contributed to that.
But all that aside, simple question--will you ever under any circumstances hold Obama responsible for anything?
Bush was a failure in many respects. I don't know a whole lot of conservatives that will disagree with that and a great many were saying that while he was in office. Obviously he played a part as did the ignorant GOP congressional members who go along with his or Obama's irresponsible policies and spending. See that's not hard at all.KneelandBobDylan wrote:Sheep_Mafia wrote:So DRJ, at what point, if ever, will you hold Obama responsible for anything? 2015/2016 the War's will be over and spending greatly reduced. Again, as I corrected you before, the reduction in the deficit spending was directly related to Iraq winding down. No Obama action contributed to that.
But all that aside, simple question--will you ever under any circumstances hold Obama responsible for anything?
Here's a question: When are you going to hold Bush and Republicans responsible for their actions by properly recognizing their part in our supposed "debt crisis?" Listening to the right wing noise machine doesn't make you seem very informed.
Holding them all responsible isn't the correct answer. Someone MADE the problem, someone is FIXING the problem, despite zero help from the oppostion.Dr J Jones wrote:I hold them all responsible....Bush/Cheney AND Barack and Joe....What should we do about it?
Now...anyway...about that silly debt clock that offends Ms Waters....
Why do you suppose she is afraid on the clock being on?
lol So how exactly is continuing with government spending and trillion dollar deficits fixing the problem? Look at their own projections and tell me how, even after the Afgan war wraps up, how much debt they project we will still be accumulating. Plus, anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows their projections of that are low. He has no intention of cutting spending. He has no real interest in tax reform, just using successful people as a way to attack because he has no real ideals.KneelandBobDylan wrote:Holding them all responsible isn't the correct answer. Someone MADE the problem, someone is FIXING the problem, despite zero help from the oppostion.Dr J Jones wrote:I hold them all responsible....Bush/Cheney AND Barack and Joe....What should we do about it?
Now...anyway...about that silly debt clock that offends Ms Waters....
Why do you suppose she is afraid on the clock being on?
Look at what austerity has done for the countries that have instituted it, and that's all republicans want so that they have yet another chance to blame the half-black guy.
Just because he's not fixing the propblem in the way you'd like, doesn't mean he's not fixing said problem the right way. Get it?
Maybe she's returning the paranoia the GOP seems to have about their shootin irons being confiscated..Dr J Jones wrote:I hold them all responsible....Bush/Cheney AND Barack and Joe....What should we do about it?
Now...anyway...about that silly debt clock that offends Ms Waters....
Why do you suppose she is afraid on the clock being on?
DEATH ROW JOE wrote:LMFAO, fuck you are stupid.Moggio wrote:DEATH ROW BLOW JOB conveniently forgets to include that Obama has added to the debt more than ANY other US President in history, with $6.5 trillion+. To date, the debt stands at $16.5 trillion+...
Obama did not add 6.5 trillion to the national debt.
The deficit was 1.47 trillion in 2008.
The policies that created a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit in 2008 added 6 trillion to the national debt since 2008.
Obama has reduced the deficit from 1.47 trillion in 2008 to 1.21 trillion in 2012. That's the largest deficit reduction in history.
12/30/2011 15,222,940,045,451.09
12/31/2012 16,432,730,050,569.12 = 1.21 trillion dollar deficit
12/31/2007 9,229,172,659,218.31
12/31/2008 10,699,804,864,612.13 = 1.47 trillion deficit last year of Bush's presidency.
Luminiferous wrote:Maybe she's returning the paranoia the GOP seems to have about their shootin irons being confiscated..Dr J Jones wrote:I hold them all responsible....Bush/Cheney AND Barack and Joe....What should we do about it?
Now...anyway...about that silly debt clock that offends Ms Waters....
Why do you suppose she is afraid on the clock being on?
Sheep_Mafia wrote:
Why do you think the GOP wants to cut spending? (first of all, many don't sadly) How about because we have over $16 trillion in debt that we can't possibly pay back and we are just getting in deeper and deeper. Obama came up with and supported the cuts when he was told that was a good way to politic. Now, he's against what he was for once again.
No doubt the GOP played politics with the debt ceiling. My issue with Obama supporters is they act like he is somehow above that and it's just the obstructionist GOP that plays those games. It's as though they forget Obama voted no on raising the ceiling when Bush was in office(as did Harry Reid and many, many other democrats) and called it a failure of leadership (correct then and now) and irresponsible to do (correct then and now to get to that point). Obama is as bad as anyone ever has been about political games.KneelandBobDylan wrote:Sheep_Mafia wrote:
Why do you think the GOP wants to cut spending? (first of all, many don't sadly) How about because we have over $16 trillion in debt that we can't possibly pay back and we are just getting in deeper and deeper. Obama came up with and supported the cuts when he was told that was a good way to politic. Now, he's against what he was for once again.
Why do I think the GOP wants to cut spending? I don't know, maybe it's because the half-black guy isn't spending the money on what THEY want it spent on... more tax cuts for their wealthy friends, and more killing of the brown peoples.
Lord knows they didn't have a problem raising the debt limit for Bush.
Sheep_Mafia wrote:No doubt the GOP played politics with the debt ceiling. My issue with Obama supporters is they act like he is somehow above that and it's just the obstructionist GOP that plays those games. It's as though they forget Obama voted no on raising the ceiling when Bush was in office(as did Harry Reid and many, many other democrats) and called it a failure of leadership (correct then and now) and irresponsible to do (correct then and now to get to that point). Obama is as bad as anyone ever has been about political games.KneelandBobDylan wrote:Sheep_Mafia wrote:
Why do you think the GOP wants to cut spending? (first of all, many don't sadly) How about because we have over $16 trillion in debt that we can't possibly pay back and we are just getting in deeper and deeper. Obama came up with and supported the cuts when he was told that was a good way to politic. Now, he's against what he was for once again.
Why do I think the GOP wants to cut spending? I don't know, maybe it's because the half-black guy isn't spending the money on what THEY want it spent on... more tax cuts for their wealthy friends, and more killing of the brown peoples.
Lord knows they didn't have a problem raising the debt limit for Bush.
The racist nonsense takes away from any legitimate points you might have. I'll say this, both parties are playing their usual games at this point. At some time in the future, there will have to be people in office that will have to actually deal with our problems. For Obama supporters to pretend that's him, just ignore his record, his actions and his words.
Nah, he was just a community organizer with only political savvy. At least if your definition of political savvy is selling nonsense like "change" to a dumb political base. His issue wasn't only being a community organizer with or without political savvy, it's being nothing but a community organizer and political hack without integrity, real world experience, leadership and basic math skills and the ability to prioritize issues. Just an overall failure, not really related to political savvy--except the leadership skills deficit.KneelandBobDylan wrote: It was my understanding that Obama was just a "community organizer" with no political savvy. At least thats what heard from all the conservatives I know.
Sheep_Mafia wrote:Nah, he was just a community organizer with only political savvy. At least if your definition of political savvy is selling nonsense like "change" to a dumb political base. His issue wasn't only being a community organizer with or without political savvy, it's being nothing but a community organizer and political hack without integrity, real world experience, leadership and basic math skills and the ability to prioritize issues. Just an overall failure, not really related to political savvy--except the leadership skills deficit.KneelandBobDylan wrote: It was my understanding that Obama was just a "community organizer" with no political savvy. At least thats what heard from all the conservatives I know.
lol at you though for always trying to find a way to excuse him. Now it's he was incompetent in 2006. He said the same things in 2008 when he was lying to the voters in his campaign.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder ... he-deficitSheep_Mafia wrote:How is that fact? Can you not read? The debt will double in his term. Double what all President's combined left behind. This isn't hard, or at least shouldn't be.
What stings is your lack of reading comphrension. I didn't say the debt had doubled since Obama came into office. You quoted me directly and yet you still got it wrong--I said by the end of his term it will have doubled. Your article doesn't contradict that in the least. Nor do the facts. In fact, your article has them right on track to double it at over 52% doubled at the half way point. Look up their own projections and you will see the debt over $20 trillion when he's done. That's double if you can follow the math from 10 to 20.KneelandBobDylan wrote:http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder ... he-deficitSheep_Mafia wrote:How is that fact? Can you not read? The debt will double in his term. Double what all President's combined left behind. This isn't hard, or at least shouldn't be.
Damn, that's got to sting. And if that doesn't, being so misinformed must in your case.
I know i'm not going to change your mind, you believe what you want, and NOTHING will change that.
Cognative reasoning, and you know, actually looking up things...not your strong suit.
I'm wondering how it's going to double, when it's already gone down? Republican math, I guess.Sheep_Mafia wrote:What stings is your lack of reading comphrension. I didn't say the debt had doubled since Obama came into office. You quoted me directly and yet you still got it wrong--I said by the end of his term it will have doubled. Your article doesn't contradict that in the least. Nor do the facts. In fact, your article has them right on track to double it at over 52% doubled at the half way point. Look up their own projections and you will see the debt over $20 trillion when he's done. That's double if you can follow the math from 10 to 20.KneelandBobDylan wrote:http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder ... he-deficitSheep_Mafia wrote:How is that fact? Can you not read? The debt will double in his term. Double what all President's combined left behind. This isn't hard, or at least shouldn't be.
Damn, that's got to sting. And if that doesn't, being so misinformed must in your case.
I know i'm not going to change your mind, you believe what you want, and NOTHING will change that.
Cognative reasoning, and you know, actually looking up things...not your strong suit.
And no you're not going to convince me that the facts aren't the facts. You are allowing yourself to be swayed by bad information but I'm not down with that.
NEWSFLASH:KneelandBobDylan wrote:Holding them all responsible isn't the correct answer. Someone MADE the problem, someone is FIXING the problem, despite zero help from the oppostion.Dr J Jones wrote:I hold them all responsible....Bush/Cheney AND Barack and Joe....What should we do about it?
Now...anyway...about that silly debt clock that offends Ms Waters....
Why do you suppose she is afraid on the clock being on?
Look at what austerity has done for the countries that have instituted it, and that's all republicans want so that they have yet another chance to blame the half-black guy.
Just because he's not fixing the propblem in the way you'd like, doesn't mean he's not fixing said problem the right way. Get it?
SmokingGun wrote:NEWSFLASH:KneelandBobDylan wrote:Holding them all responsible isn't the correct answer. Someone MADE the problem, someone is FIXING the problem, despite zero help from the oppostion.Dr J Jones wrote:I hold them all responsible....Bush/Cheney AND Barack and Joe....What should we do about it?
Now...anyway...about that silly debt clock that offends Ms Waters....
Why do you suppose she is afraid on the clock being on?
Look at what austerity has done for the countries that have instituted it, and that's all republicans want so that they have yet another chance to blame the half-black guy.
Just because he's not fixing the propblem in the way you'd like, doesn't mean he's not fixing said problem the right way. Get it?
Obama has fixed nothing
Obama isn't fixing anything
OBAMA IS SADDLING YOUR KIDS WITH A DEBT THEY CAN NEVER REPAY
He is avoiding a technical recession at a cost of ~$1 trillion per year.
The longer this goes on, the harder the landing.