NYC SUSPECT CAUGHT? ... Breaking Now Mon. Dec. 9th @ 1:00pm (EST) Cops have in custody Luigi Mangione.

[NeonKnite]

That would be really weird to bring 2 backpacks and two almost the same but not quite the same hooded coats for a mission like this.... not to change into, just to mix it up before the crime

Not if you planned to change out of one and into another at some point.

[EzyRider]

They are also saying the guy at the Hostel, never lowered his mask for 3-4 days, but... one day he flirted with the girl at the desk, who then asked him, "Let me see your face" and he lowered it and smiled at her. This was the screen shot the Cops are now sharing.

And again, it's pussy that ends being a man's undoing.

Exactly what I was thinking!!

[Van Ailin']

I have had United Healthcare for over 20 years and have generally found them responsive to questions about denial of payment. It's happened a couple of times over those years, and sometimes the final assessment of their decision agains the written rules went in their favor. Two other times (once for $4500!) it went back in my favor, and I felt like their person helping by phone was solidly in my corner. They also helped shepherd me through prostate cancer payments in 2012 and brain tumor removal payments in 2022, both to my satisfaction.

I generally find them favorable - considerably easier and more transparent to work with than Cigna or Humana.

It does pay for people to read and understand the rules for what gets paid and what doesn't. Many people get angry but only find that the rules are being enforced as written, which is quite a bit different than just spuriously denying claims for purpose of enriching the CEO. CEO will get fired but he Board if he doesn't ensure that there are written and enforced rules around payments going out.

[Van Ailin']

He was someone screwed over by UHC who decided he was going for payback. He's been planning this a long time, casing the hotel, watching Thompson's routine and rehearsing his getaway. It's easy to be calm when things go according to plan.

He may have known someone who THINKS they were screwed over by UHC. And maybe they even were. But if I were a betting man, I'd wager that they were adjudicated according to the written policy that they bought, and it's that person who FEELS they were mistreated, whether or not they really were.

[Van Ailin']

LOL, everything is fucking a conspiracy with you people.

You people? You know that I'm white, right?

Yeah, you white people are huge on conspiracy theories.

I don't know about the "you people" comment, which never goes over well, but my observation over last 10-15 years is that I do seem to hear more conspiracy theories out of White people than from "other color" minorities.

Oddly, the one place in the world I've run into a bunch of "Alex Jones" types is up in Southern Alberta part of Canada. When down in Texas (where Jones was based), we didn't really see or hear from him at all. Up in Alberta, it was surprising the number of people who seemed to follow him.

[NeonKnite]

You people? You know that I'm white, right?

Yeah, you white people are huge on conspiracy theories.

I don't know about the "you people" comment, which never goes over well, but my observation over last 10-15 years is that I do seem to hear more conspiracy theories out of White people than from "other color" minorities.

Oddly, the one place in the world I've run into a bunch of "Alex Jones" types is up in Southern Alberta part of Canada. When down in Texas (where Jones was based), we didn't really see or hear from him at all. Up in Alberta, it was surprising the number of people who seemed to follow him.

MAGA lunatics entertain every possible conspiracy about everything.

Whether cowpins is MAGA or not, is immaterial. I was just being funny.

[HoldenSSV]

It does pay for people to read and understand the rules for what gets paid and what doesn't. Many people get angry but only find that the rules are being enforced as written, which is quite a bit different than just spuriously denying claims for purpose of enriching the CEO. CEO will get fired but he Board if he doesn't ensure that there are written and enforced rules around payments going out.

Good post. Another point nobody mentions is the difference between a fully-insured arrangement (insurance company pays) versus a self-insured arrangement (employer pays, insurance company just processes claims). Many people who get claims denied think it's the "evil HMO" when in reality it could be their employer.

[HueyRamone]

That would be really weird to bring 2 backpacks and two almost the same but not quite the same hooded coats for a mission like this.... not to change into, just to mix it up before the crime

Not if you planned to change out of one and into another at some point.

Not saying i have the answers, and it could turn out that that IS the guy....


But it makes no fucking sense to change into a second almost similar but not quite coat right before the crime and not after it.

If you're trying to mix it up, you dont buy 2 coats that are 95% similar, so similar that it does tip off people that it's you. That makes no fucking sense.

[GoodJudge]

He was someone screwed over by UHC who decided he was going for payback. He's been planning this a long time, casing the hotel, watching Thompson's routine and rehearsing his getaway. It's easy to be calm when things go according to plan.

He may have known someone who THINKS they were screwed over by UHC. And maybe they even were. But if I were a betting man, I'd wager that they were adjudicated according to the written policy that they bought, and it's that person who FEELS they were mistreated, whether or not they really were.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/murdered-ins ... 38581.html
Last November, the estates of two former UHC patients filed suit in Minnesota alleging that the insurer used an AI algorithm to deny and override claims to elderly patients that had been approved by their doctors.
The algorithm in question, known as nH Predict, allegedly had a 90 percent error rate — and according to the families of the two deceased men who filed the suit, UHC knew it.

https://www.propublica.org/article/unit ... algorithm?
Around 2016, government officials began to pry open United’s black box. They found that the nation’s largest health insurance conglomerate had been using algorithms to identify providers it determined were giving too much therapy and patients it believed were receiving too much; then, the company scrutinized their cases and cut off reimbursements.

By the end of 2021, United’s algorithm program had been deemed illegal in three states.

But that has not stopped the company from continuing to police mental health care with arbitrary thresholds and cost-driven targets, ProPublica found, after reviewing what is effectively the company’s internal playbook for limiting and cutting therapy expenses. The insurer’s strategies are still very much alive, putting countless patients at risk of losing mental health care.

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There's plenty more like that.

[Danzig in the Dark]

He was someone screwed over by UHC who decided he was going for payback. He's been planning this a long time, casing the hotel, watching Thompson's routine and rehearsing his getaway. It's easy to be calm when things go according to plan.

He may have known someone who THINKS they were screwed over by UHC. And maybe they even were. But if I were a betting man, I'd wager that they were adjudicated according to the written policy that they bought, and it's that person who FEELS they were mistreated, whether or not they really were.

Van Failin, don't become a betting man.

[Bono Nettencourt]

The AMA slapped them for non-payment this year. Several docs, including my wife's gyn, are dropping them.

[NeonKnite]

Not saying i have the answers, and it could turn out that that IS the guy....


But it makes no fucking sense to change into a second almost similar but not quite coat right before the crime and not after it.

If you're trying to mix it up, you dont buy 2 coats that are 95% similar, so similar that it does tip off people that it's you. That makes no fucking sense.

I think you're digging too deep on this. They have lot of evidence he's the guy. They're tracking him all over the city.

[Bono Nettencourt]

IF he's still in the city...

[NeonKnite]

IF he's still in the city...

I meant they filmed him all over the city.

It's highly unlikely he still is.

They believe he took a bus from Atlanta. Used a fake NJ license to check-in to the hostel.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Thanks, CNN.

[NeonKnite]

Thanks, CNN.

At your service.

[Bono Nettencourt]

NYPD thinks he left town... strong work, donut-eaters.

[MetalSludgeCEO]

Not saying i have the answers, and it could turn out that that IS the guy....


But it makes no fucking sense to change into a second almost similar but not quite coat right before the crime and not after it.

If you're trying to mix it up, you dont buy 2 coats that are 95% similar, so similar that it does tip off people that it's you. That makes no fucking sense.

I think you're digging too deep on this. They have lot of evidence he's the guy. They're tracking him all over the city.

This!

I shared the guy's photos where you can see his face on IG and of course, there were the quick reactions of "It's NOT even the same jacket or back-pack, who is sharing this?"

I would bet on the NYPD and related detectives for knowing what they're doing. And, we all know, whatever is public knowledge, the authorities are hours if not a full or more ahead with other intel none of us have seen or heard.

I guess I am mostly perplexed, that the guy's face (clear as a bell) has been out for 36 hours, and no arrest yet.

I would like to believe as widely as those images have been shared yesterday and today, that several people have already seen them and said: "That's so and so..." and already called it in.

The cops might be staking out every known relative, job location, and more since yesterday... waiting to pounce on the guy!

$tEvil

[Wednesday 13 Fan]

Not saying i have the answers, and it could turn out that that IS the guy....


But it makes no fucking sense to change into a second almost similar but not quite coat right before the crime and not after it.

If you're trying to mix it up, you dont buy 2 coats that are 95% similar, so similar that it does tip off people that it's you. That makes no fucking sense.

I think you're digging too deep on this. They have lot of evidence he's the guy. They're tracking him all over the city.

This!

I shared the guy's photos where you can see his face on IG and of course, there were the quick reactions of "It's NOT even the same jacket or back-pack, who is sharing this?"

I would bet on the NYPD and related detectives for knowing what they're doing. And, we all know, whatever is public knowledge, the authorities are hours if not a full or more ahead with other intel none of us have seen or heard.

I guess I am mostly perplexed, that the guy's face (clear as a bell) has been out for 36 hours, and no arrest yet.

I would like to believe as widely as those images have been shared yesterday and today, that several people have already seen them and said: "That's so and so..." and already called it in.

The cops might be staking out every known relative, job location, and more since yesterday... waiting to pounce on the guy!

$tEvil

You can almost guarantee they know who it is.

[eddie lee roth]

If the deceased was a organ donor I bet his heart is no bigger than a mustard seed.

[HueyRamone]

Not saying i have the answers, and it could turn out that that IS the guy....


But it makes no fucking sense to change into a second almost similar but not quite coat right before the crime and not after it.

If you're trying to mix it up, you dont buy 2 coats that are 95% similar, so similar that it does tip off people that it's you. That makes no fucking sense.

I think you're digging too deep on this. They have lot of evidence he's the guy. They're tracking him all over the city.

Im not digging deep that it make no sense for a guy to bring two of almost the same coat (but not quite!), and switch *before* the crime.

I would buy that the blurry photo just doesnt show the pockets more than that.

[MetalSludgeCEO]

BREAKING NEWS!

CNN has just reported that the cops have FOUND the Backpack after searching Central Park again!


Backpack found in Central Park believed to belong to suspect, source says
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian- ... index.html


It must have been hidden pretty good for them to miss it for the last 2 days!

$tEvil

[Bono Nettencourt]

Not saying i have the answers, and it could turn out that that IS the guy....


But it makes no fucking sense to change into a second almost similar but not quite coat right before the crime and not after it.

If you're trying to mix it up, you dont buy 2 coats that are 95% similar, so similar that it does tip off people that it's you. That makes no fucking sense.

I think you're digging too deep on this. They have lot of evidence he's the guy. They're tracking him all over the city.

Im not digging deep that it make no sense for a guy to bring two of almost the same coat (but not quite!), and switch *before* the crime.

I would buy that the blurry photo just doesnt show the pockets more than that.

You're right. I just looked at a side-by-side of the two photos. It's the same cost. They're shitty security cam photos, so the lighting/focus is a bit different. That's all.

[Van Ailin']

He was someone screwed over by UHC who decided he was going for payback. He's been planning this a long time, casing the hotel, watching Thompson's routine and rehearsing his getaway. It's easy to be calm when things go according to plan.

He may have known someone who THINKS they were screwed over by UHC. And maybe they even were. But if I were a betting man, I'd wager that they were adjudicated according to the written policy that they bought, and it's that person who FEELS they were mistreated, whether or not they really were.

Van Failin, don't become a betting man.

I'm not. I don't drink alcohol, either. Also have never been more than a month without a job since age 10 (over 40 years), have always had insurance, select it carefully each year, pay all my bills on time. Lo and behold . . . that works.

[Danzig in the Dark]

He may have known someone who THINKS they were screwed over by UHC. And maybe they even were. But if I were a betting man, I'd wager that they were adjudicated according to the written policy that they bought, and it's that person who FEELS they were mistreated, whether or not they really were.

Van Failin, don't become a betting man.

I'm not. I don't drink alcohol, either. Also have never been more than a month without a job since age 10 (over 40 years), have always had insurance, select it carefully each year, pay all my bills on time. Lo and behold . . . that works.

That's nice.

[HueyRamone]

If accurate, the starbucks run is the biggest head-scratcher. Just buy some powerbars beforehand and a cold brew in the backpack. You really need a dark roast that bad right before the mission?!

[Lobo]

It's now being reported that the authorities believe the killer used a noise-suppressing firearm that's commonly used by veterinarians to put down farm animals.

[dmbrocker]

If accurate, the starbucks run is the biggest head-scratcher. Just buy some powerbars beforehand and a cold brew in the backpack. You really need a dark roast that bad right before the mission?!

You underestimate society-in-general's coffee addiction these days. There are literally people who can't make it a full hour at work without multiple cups.

[Van Ailin']

Van Failin, don't become a betting man.

I'm not. I don't drink alcohol, either. Also have never been more than a month without a job since age 10 (over 40 years), have always had insurance, select it carefully each year, pay all my bills on time. Lo and behold . . . that works.

That's nice.

I'll wear anything that might be opposite of your view as a badge of honor.

[Danzig in the Dark]

I'm not. I don't drink alcohol, either. Also have never been more than a month without a job since age 10 (over 40 years), have always had insurance, select it carefully each year, pay all my bills on time. Lo and behold . . . that works.

That's nice.

I'll wear anything that might be opposite of your view as a badge of honor.

That explains your incessant stupidity, Van Failin.