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Ryan81 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:27 pm Joe Holmes didn't produce shit when he was with Ozzy.

Anthrax442 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:44 am

Ryan81 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:27 pm Joe Holmes didn't produce shit when he was with Ozzy.

Literally anyone would have been better than Joe Holmes. I still don't understand how he got the gig, unless he just happened to be the person that was around when Sharon wanted Zakk to fuck off.

Zabooka wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 10:08 pm I wish Nuno had fought harder to keep Extreme together and maybe this could have been avoided.

Hair I Go Again wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:55 am I either didn't know or didn't remember about Kotzen. (Here's a story with more -- https://bravewords.com/news/richie-kotz ... ol-thread/)

He's one of my favorite guitarists, but he's not the kind of guy who plays others' solos note-for-note. I think he was closer to the mark with Paul Gilbert than with C.C., but on Poison's "Seven Days Live," C.C.'s solos are unrecognizable. I think Rhodes and Iommi purists would have torn him apart.

Interesting that he says having Poison on his resume cost him gigs with both Ozzy and NIN.

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am

Hair I Go Again wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:55 am I either didn't know or didn't remember about Kotzen. (Here's a story with more -- https://bravewords.com/news/richie-kotz ... ol-thread/)

He's one of my favorite guitarists, but he's not the kind of guy who plays others' solos note-for-note. I think he was closer to the mark with Paul Gilbert than with C.C., but on Poison's "Seven Days Live," C.C.'s solos are unrecognizable. I think Rhodes and Iommi purists would have torn him apart.

Interesting that he says having Poison on his resume cost him gigs with both Ozzy and NIN.

Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

I doubt he would have approached the RR/Iommi stuff with the same attitude.

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

Velvis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:59 am

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am

Hair I Go Again wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:55 am I either didn't know or didn't remember about Kotzen. (Here's a story with more -- https://bravewords.com/news/richie-kotz ... ol-thread/)

He's one of my favorite guitarists, but he's not the kind of guy who plays others' solos note-for-note. I think he was closer to the mark with Paul Gilbert than with C.C., but on Poison's "Seven Days Live," C.C.'s solos are unrecognizable. I think Rhodes and Iommi purists would have torn him apart.

Interesting that he says having Poison on his resume cost him gigs with both Ozzy and NIN.

Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

I doubt he would have approached the RR/Iommi stuff with the same attitude.

I hate people like that. "You and your music suck but I'll gladly cash a check."
I am not sure that he wouldn't do the same with the RR/Ionmi stuff, it might be less about the respect of Poison and more about his ego.

After all it takes a huge ego to walk into a huge band and just not learn the solos because you think they suck and then fuck the drummers fiance. The dude just sounds like a douche overall.

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:51 am

Velvis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:59 am

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am

Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

I doubt he would have approached the RR/Iommi stuff with the same attitude.

I hate people like that. "You and your music suck but I'll gladly cash a check."
I am not sure that he wouldn't do the same with the RR/Ionmi stuff, it might be less about the respect of Poison and more about his ego.

After all it takes a huge ego to walk into a huge band and just not learn the solos because you think they suck and then fuck the drummers fiance. The dude just sounds like a douche overall.

Right, because Bert and the other Poisoners were such happy, fine fellows.

The Prez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:23 am

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

....and yet, somehow they still hired him and made an album It's like they didn't care whether or not he knew the solos note-for-note.

Velvis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:59 am

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am

Hair I Go Again wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:55 am I either didn't know or didn't remember about Kotzen. (Here's a story with more -- https://bravewords.com/news/richie-kotz ... ol-thread/)

He's one of my favorite guitarists, but he's not the kind of guy who plays others' solos note-for-note. I think he was closer to the mark with Paul Gilbert than with C.C., but on Poison's "Seven Days Live," C.C.'s solos are unrecognizable. I think Rhodes and Iommi purists would have torn him apart.

Interesting that he says having Poison on his resume cost him gigs with both Ozzy and NIN.

Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

I doubt he would have approached the RR/Iommi stuff with the same attitude.

I hate people like that. "You and your music suck but I'll gladly cash a check."
I am not sure that he wouldn't do the same with the RR/Ionmi stuff, it might be less about the respect of Poison and more about his ego.

After all it takes a huge ego to walk into a huge band and just not learn the solos because you think they suck and then fuck the drummers fiance. The dude just sounds like a douche overall.

superglide88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:36 am

Velvis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:59 am

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am

Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

I doubt he would have approached the RR/Iommi stuff with the same attitude.

I hate people like that. "You and your music suck but I'll gladly cash a check."
I am not sure that he wouldn't do the same with the RR/Ionmi stuff, it might be less about the respect of Poison and more about his ego.

After all it takes a huge ego to walk into a huge band and just not learn the solos because you think they suck and then fuck the drummers fiance. The dude just sounds like a douche overall.

I am the only one who thinks it’s fuckin hilarious what he did?

superglide88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:36 am

Velvis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:59 am

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am

Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

I doubt he would have approached the RR/Iommi stuff with the same attitude.

I hate people like that. "You and your music suck but I'll gladly cash a check."
I am not sure that he wouldn't do the same with the RR/Ionmi stuff, it might be less about the respect of Poison and more about his ego.

After all it takes a huge ego to walk into a huge band and just not learn the solos because you think they suck and then fuck the drummers fiance. The dude just sounds like a douche overall.

I am the only one who thinks it’s fuckin hilarious what he did?

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:59 am Banging the drummers fiancee probably didn't help either.

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am

Hair I Go Again wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:55 am I either didn't know or didn't remember about Kotzen. (Here's a story with more -- https://bravewords.com/news/richie-kotz ... ol-thread/)

He's one of my favorite guitarists, but he's not the kind of guy who plays others' solos note-for-note. I think he was closer to the mark with Paul Gilbert than with C.C., but on Poison's "Seven Days Live," C.C.'s solos are unrecognizable. I think Rhodes and Iommi purists would have torn him apart.

Interesting that he says having Poison on his resume cost him gigs with both Ozzy and NIN.

Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

I doubt he would have approached the RR/Iommi stuff with the same attitude.

El Vampiro Blanco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 11:37 pm The dimwits in Motley Crue never jammed any Motley songs with Corabi and then found out on tour he sounded like crap on the Motley classics.
At least that was what was in their book.

Mister Freeze wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 4:36 pm

El Vampiro Blanco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 11:37 pm The dimwits in Motley Crue never jammed any Motley songs with Corabi and then found out on tour he sounded like crap on the Motley classics.
At least that was what was in their book.

How often do you share information that's totally made up?

Love_Industry wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:50 pm

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:59 am Banging the drummers fiancee probably didn't help either.

Not only banged, Lovesick Richie married the drummer's sloppy seconds. Loser.

Ryan81 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 9:27 pm I'm sure you've all heard Nuno's story about being offered the Ozzy gig in '95. How do you think he would've done with Ozzy? He obviously rips on the old stuff, but what kind of original material do you think he would've brought to the table? Would he have adapted to Ozzy's more gothic style or would he have tried to get Ozzy to go in a funkier direction? He does a killer version of Diary Of A Madman!

I think it's a real shame that Nuno didn't take the gig. Joe Holmes didn't produce shit when he was with Ozzy. They had that Walk On Water song that was fair, but I believe that is all Joe Joe contributed to Ozzy. In an alternate reality I would've been very curious to hear what Lynch would've been like with Ozzy in '83 (although I think Jake worked out great) as well as Nuno in '95.

Love_Industry wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:50 pm

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:59 am Banging the drummers fiancee probably didn't help either.

Not only banged, Lovesick Richie married the drummer's sloppy seconds. Loser.

Thebottomline wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:44 pm

Love_Industry wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:50 pm

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:59 am Banging the drummers fiancee probably didn't help either.

Not only banged, Lovesick Richie married the drummer's sloppy seconds. Loser.

Deanna Eve was hot during that time. I would have banged her as well if given the opportunity. I'm sure you had plenty of sloppy seconds, thirds, fourth, etc from far worse.

Traxan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 4:05 pm

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:12 am

Hair I Go Again wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:55 am I either didn't know or didn't remember about Kotzen. (Here's a story with more -- https://bravewords.com/news/richie-kotz ... ol-thread/)

He's one of my favorite guitarists, but he's not the kind of guy who plays others' solos note-for-note. I think he was closer to the mark with Paul Gilbert than with C.C., but on Poison's "Seven Days Live," C.C.'s solos are unrecognizable. I think Rhodes and Iommi purists would have torn him apart.

Interesting that he says having Poison on his resume cost him gigs with both Ozzy and NIN.

Richie has been pretty candid over the years that he had zero respect for Poison at the time, and didn't bother to learn the solos to the songs before his audition. He had a massive ego and surely he thought CC sucked and (wrongly) thought he could improve on the solos.

I doubt he would have approached the RR/Iommi stuff with the same attitude.

Something similar happened with Terry Bozzio and Korn. for some inexplicable reason (likely a paycheck) Terry joined Korn very briefly before quitting and telling them they couldn't play and didn't know shit about music. He's not wrong but did he not listen to their albums first?