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Facedown wrote:Does anybody know what Tex has been offered by the Angels and the Sox?
All ESPN keeps saying is that the Orioles can't match the offers but there's no details as to what they are.
I know the Nationals went 8/160
Orioles went 7/150 and then supposedly upped it but I never heard what the final bid was.
Angels went 8/at least 160. Never heard the exact number on that one either.
Haven't heard shit about the Sox offer.
I don't think I remember reading a concrete number but I do think they weren't willing to go much beyond 7-8 years but were willing to go a little higher in the annual value. Seeing as how nobody is offering the 10 years that he's demanding that might be the way to go anyway.

I would guess Boston comes in somewhere like 7 years and $180 - still paid a tick under A-Rod annually but certainly nothing to scoff at. If I'm Teixeira I don't turn that down, either.

Honestly the bidding will be between Boston and LA, and I can't see LA being outbid. They NEED him - Boston doesn't.
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They were saying yesterday that the Angels had made their final bid and that Scioscia would be happy to get Manny.
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Well, between Manny and Vlad, that's a lot of DH time to split for those 2. Then again Boston kept Manny in LF due to Big Poopie long enough so I guess it'd be workable.

LA needs a big bat, though - Vlad has no protection and there's really nobody scary in that lineup after him. The Vlad/Tex combo was dominant and I'm really surprised Moreno hasn't pulled out all the stops to lock him up already.
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The Mighty Red Sox do need Tex though. I kinda hope he doesn't sign with us, but that's not what I'll think when the season begins and the AL East race is in full swing. They need another big bat aside from Ortiz. It's just a bunch of OBP guys right now. Kinda like the ALCS.

Now let's get this back to Baseball. I was looking into some numbers, and came across this. While it's fun to laugh at the MFY defense, and poke fun at the little SS who couldn't. There was an improvement from 2007. I wonder if that also helped sway Burnett and Sabbathia....aside from the ginormous contracts.

Jeter's UZR in 2007 was -0.4. That was an improvement of his horrid -18.4 in 2007.He said he went into ST working on agility and speed, rather than building strength and weight ( which he loses half way through the season anyways ). The Fielding Bible had him a -12 which simple wasn't as bad as his atrotious -34 in 2007. So there is a definite improvement....even without any fucking range to his left.

Aside from his OPS+ of 102 ( his lowest career mark since 1997 ). He did improve on the field. Will that be enough for their pitchers?
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Oh yeah, and I'd be remiss not to mention that I'm leaving for Puerto Rico on Saturday. I've already told my wife we are going to at least 2-3 winter ball games while we're there.

I will try to get a bunch of pics while I'm there. I wanna check out Hiram Bithorn Stadium too - where the Expos played when they were there and where the World Baseball Classic will be played in a few months.

I've worked out the schedules and should get a chance to see Pudge, Ian Kennedy, and Bernie Williams...
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I'm not sure why you think Manny won't sign with you guys.

As far as Pittsburgh, you leave me no choice but to agree with your comments. Painful, man.
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Jake, that is fucking awesome!

Scossicia just said he would be happy to have Manny on his team. Anaheim has stated that if they loose out on Tex, they're getting Manny. Still reports filtering in from the GM meetings is that if they ended right now. Tex goes to Boston.
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Licketysplit wrote:The numbers I heard regarding the Sox offer to Teixiera this morning were 8 years at $180M. Supposedly the negotiations have reached the point of discussing clauses - no trade, opt-out, etc.. Theo isn't willing to add in the opt-out and they generally don't offer no-trades. There was talk of options years being added to take it to 10 years.

I can't see him going to the Nationals, and even if he is from Baltimore I can't see him going to a team that has no chance of winning the division for the foreseable future. NY is probably just in it to drive up the price, so it must really just come down to Boston vs LA. Knowing that the offers should be competitive and that both teams are playoff calibre, it really has to come down to where he will be most comfortable.
With a couple of trades I could see Baltimore being competitive. They have some young arms in their Farm. BA ranks them in the top 10, that could change. I know they want Tex badly, and it was his childhood dream to play there.

It would probably just be a Tejada part II if they get him though.
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Licketysplit wrote:[
Of course I don't, but Baltimore said they'll up their offer. If they can appeal to his "hometown memories" they might have a shot, albeit a small one but a shot. They're not completely hopeless. Close but not completely.

*edit*

I read a post over at baseballthinkfactory. One of the posters made a point of Youks' hitting in 2008. He hit very well for a FB, assuming we get Tex. That kind of offensive production from a third baseman not named Alex Rodriguez would be awesome.
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killeverything wrote: Not one team has been outbid this year.
I wouldn't necessarily say that. The Yanks had to offer CC 60 million more than anyone else just to come here. As people have asked, if the Yanks didn't outbid or have to overpay CC and offered him the same deals that LA or SF would have offered him... does anyone really think he'd be here? Of course not. He probably wouldn't even have given them a return call.

At the end of the day, they blew everyone out of the water with that deal because they had no choice. They bought a guy despite knowing they were nowhere near being his first choice.

The CC thing is a bit more touchy because, forgetting about the ecomony being in the shitter, if it DOESN'T work out and the guy implodes, they'll just throw 160 million at the next guy that comes along. THAT is something that the other teams really can't afford when it comes to the big salaries.
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Sabu wrote:
killeverything wrote: Not one team has been outbid this year.
I wouldn't necessarily say that. The Yanks had to offer CC 60 million more than anyone else just to come here. As people have asked, if the Yanks didn't outbid or have to overpay CC and offered him the same deals that LA or SF would have offered him... does anyone really think he'd be here? Of course not. He probably wouldn't even have given them a return call.

At the end of the day, they blew everyone out of the water with that deal because they had no choice. They bought a guy despite knowing they were nowhere near being his first choice.

The CC thing is a bit more touchy because, forgetting about the ecomony being in the shitter, if it DOESN'T work out and the guy implodes, they'll just throw 160 million at the next guy that comes along. THAT is something that the other teams really can't afford when it comes to the big salaries.
True, but according to a NYT article I read. They might not be able to do that because of the economy being how it is. They still haven't sold all the Luxury boxes at new MFY Stadium, and some sponsors/commercial time buyers for YES have been pulling out, since they can't afford the airtime.

I was a little off in my statement. I meant to imply no bidding wars have really taken place yet. NY didn't give anyone a chance, but still. I don't think it will be so easy to just drop another 60m if he implodes in a couple of years.
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I would like to invite you all to join me in discussing
the Yankees introduction of C.C. & Burnett today.

What a great day for all Yankee fans. We had a list of FA pitchers and fortunately we were able to sign the top 2 from that list.
For now our rotation looks something like this:
C.C.
Burnett
Wang
Joba
????(5th starter somewhere, somehow-Hope it's Pettitte)

I am fine with the cameron for Melky trade pretty much a non-issue. Melky is having a fine winter league, so who's to say he can not patrol CF this year and continue to throw runners out on the bases.

As for manny coming back to the bronx, let's see what happens. I just can't imagine him wearing the pinstripes, but when it comes to money, never say never.

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Machado wrote:I would like to invite you all to join me in discussing
the Yankees introduction of C.C. & Burnett today.

What a great day for all Yankee fans. We had a list of FA pitchers and fortunately we were able to sign the top 2 from that list.
For now our rotation looks something like this:
C.C.
Burnett
Wang
Joba
????(5th starter somewhere, somehow-Hope it's Pettitte)

I am fine with the cameron for Melky trade pretty much a non-issue. Melky is having a fine winter league, so who's to say he can not patrol CF this year and continue to throw runners out on the bases.

As for manny coming back to the bronx, let's see what happens. I just can't imagine him wearing the pinstripes, but when it comes to money, never say never.

LET'S GO YANKEES!
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With the incoming reports. Manny is going to stay in LA. Be it Anaheim or Los Angeles. True never say never.

Burnett would be the #3 starter, Wang #2. If Petitte returns he'll be #4, and Joba #5. Chamberlain has wicked potential to be "the" ace, but still needs to be watched and protected right now. Keep him low in the rotation, less pressure, more time to mature, etc.

With Hughes on the horizon the rotation could shape up really really nicely. Even without a mediocre defense behind them. For the record I would do the Melky for Cameron deal in a second.
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killeverything wrote:
Machado wrote:I would like to invite you all to join me in discussing
the Yankees introduction of C.C. & Burnett today.

What a great day for all Yankee fans. We had a list of FA pitchers and fortunately we were able to sign the top 2 from that list.
For now our rotation looks something like this:
C.C.
Burnett
Wang
Joba
????(5th starter somewhere, somehow-Hope it's Pettitte)

I am fine with the cameron for Melky trade pretty much a non-issue. Melky is having a fine winter league, so who's to say he can not patrol CF this year and continue to throw runners out on the bases.

As for manny coming back to the bronx, let's see what happens. I just can't imagine him wearing the pinstripes, but when it comes to money, never say never.

LET'S GO YANKEES!
LET'S GO YANKEES!
With the incoming reports. Manny is going to stay in LA. Be it Anaheim or Los Angeles. True never say never.

Burnett would be the #3 starter, Wang #2. If Petitte returns he'll be #4, and Joba #5. Chamberlain has wicked potential to be "the" ace, but still needs to be watched and protected right now. Keep him low in the rotation, less pressure, more time to mature, etc.

With Hughes on the horizon the rotation could shape up really really nicely. Even without a mediocre defense behind them. For the record I would do the Melky for Cameron deal in a second.
Good point regarding where to slot Wang in the rotation. I only said #3 because last night ESPN had him there. Not that I agree, but what do I know. Girardi never returns my calls :lol:
Joba should certainly be protected. There have been reports the Yankees are once again discussing whether to place him in the bullpen in '09, due to the recent 2 signings. What do you think about that?
Placing him in the bullpen again in '09 is another way of protecting his arm and limiting his innings. We'll see!!
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Licketysplit wrote:It would be funny as hell if they couldn't sell enough luxury boxes and advertising to cover the bloated payroll and ended up going bankrupt or having to cut back to a middle-of-the-pack payroll in a few years. Probably never happen, but it still would be funny as hell.
And it would be just as funny if that happened to Boston, believe me.
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Maybe I'm way off here... but I just don't get what the Yankees' obsession is with making Joba a starter. Mariano Rivera is the greatest closer in the history of the game. Simply put, he should be absolutely irreplaceable.

Yet... the Yanks clearly have a guy who can take that closer role once Mariano retires and they seemingly won't miss a beat. They should be looking at Joba as nothing short of a miracle. The answer to what could have been an enormous problem for them down the road... and yet they still want to make him a starter. I just don't get it...
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Machado wrote:
killeverything wrote:
Machado wrote:I would like to invite you all to join me in discussing
the Yankees introduction of C.C. & Burnett today.

What a great day for all Yankee fans. We had a list of FA pitchers and fortunately we were able to sign the top 2 from that list.
For now our rotation looks something like this:
C.C.
Burnett
Wang
Joba
????(5th starter somewhere, somehow-Hope it's Pettitte)

I am fine with the cameron for Melky trade pretty much a non-issue. Melky is having a fine winter league, so who's to say he can not patrol CF this year and continue to throw runners out on the bases.

As for manny coming back to the bronx, let's see what happens. I just can't imagine him wearing the pinstripes, but when it comes to money, never say never.

LET'S GO YANKEES!
LET'S GO YANKEES!
With the incoming reports. Manny is going to stay in LA. Be it Anaheim or Los Angeles. True never say never.

Burnett would be the #3 starter, Wang #2. If Petitte returns he'll be #4, and Joba #5. Chamberlain has wicked potential to be "the" ace, but still needs to be watched and protected right now. Keep him low in the rotation, less pressure, more time to mature, etc.

With Hughes on the horizon the rotation could shape up really really nicely. Even without a mediocre defense behind them. For the record I would do the Melky for Cameron deal in a second.
Good point regarding where to slot Wang in the rotation. I only said #3 because last night ESPN had him there. Not that I agree, but what do I know. Girardi never returns my calls :lol:
Joba should certainly be protected. There have been reports the Yankees are once again discussing whether to place him in the bullpen in '09, due to the recent 2 signings. What do you think about that?
Placing him in the bullpen again in '09 is another way of protecting his arm and limiting his innings. We'll see!!
I don't have an opinion on how to handle young pitcher's arms. Cy Young once said "too many pitchers on a team. That's the problem. Pitch em' every three days. Then you'll find they get good strong arms." Is the new way or old way better?

Joba has the physique to be a dominant #1 for a long time. What scouts say is required is a middle-girth. Almost all long term pitchers had it. A strong core. Think Clemens, Schilling, Bartolo, Valenzuela, the list goes on.

With Joba though it's not so much a concern for his arm. Baseball America's Top Prospects 2008 talks about his struggles with weight, knee ( which required surgery in 2004 ), hamstring and triceps. He still would need to be limited to around 170IP for the time being. I think he could go higher though. His highest was 119 as a sophmore for Nebraska. When you got a guy that ranks 70-80 on three different pitches from the scouting 20-80 scale. You don't fuck with them.

While Rivera's mortality has certainly been more apparent, and we've discussed placement of value ( BP or starting ) ad naseum here. I was originally championing the idea of keeping him in the BP. The more I've seen though, a 100mph fastball in relief to a 96-97 when he starts. He's gotta be a starter. Split time with Hughes ( if he can stay healthy ). With Burnett's durability issues I think he's gotta stay in the rotation.

The biggest breakthrough with Joba IMO was his mechanics. He made adjustments with directing his energy towards the plate instead of side to side. His pitches didn't need tinkering at all. He keeps his hand on top for the curve and behind the slider. He also boast a solid - average change-up. With his personality, confidence and makeup I think he could become the Pedro or Johan of the AL easily in a couple seasons.
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ESPN just reported the deal with the Sox and Tex is very close. Surprisingly they said 8 years for 160. If it is the 160 instead of 180, either the Sox are going to give him some of the options he wanted, or the lure of winning gets them a 20 million discount.
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Sabu wrote:ESPN just reported the deal with the Sox and Tex is very close. Surprisingly they said 8 years for 160. If it is the 160 instead of 180, either the Sox are going to give him some of the options he wanted, or the lure of winning gets them a 20 million discount.

I wonder what sort of clauses have been written into
the contract:

no trade
opt out after X amount of years
deferred $$$

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Seems since the other deals fell through, Jake Peavy would now consider a deal with the Red Sox.
As well as Smoltz, Sox are also looking at Brad Penny.
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The report is straight from John Henry's mouth. Of course it's still all speculation, but a 200m offer on the table. Pass.

The FO assigns value to all players VORP, Win Shares, etc. ( shit that baseball nerds like me just eat up ). If a player wants more than what they value him, they walk. I'm still inclinedto believe they might still be in it. Although they have a good enough relationship with Boras to not use the media as a negotiating tool. It's not Henry's style, it's Lucchino's.

If the MFY signs him for 200m, then holy fuck. If it takes 200m to get it done. Then walk. He's a once in a generation player and all, but I have enough faith in the FO. Sign him for that. Be the next New York. I'd rather have a difficult time in 2009 than be the MFY......anymore than we already are. I'm curious to see how this all plays out.

As for Peavy? I fucking hope not. A dominate pitcher in the weakest offensive division in the biggest pitcher's park? Bring him to Fenway to pitch against the AL East. With the prospects he's going to cost? You got to be out of your Goddamn mind. Thank God the Duquette years are over.....I'd like to keep it that way.
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Baseball salaries should outrage, but don’t

By TIM DAHLBERG, AP Sports Columnist

It may be strictly coincidental, but that doesn’t make it any less interesting. About the same time the New York Mets were spending millions on the closer they so desperately need this week, the owner of the team was facing possible losses of millions of his own as the victim of a fraud scheme even more audacious than the one baseball pulls on its fans.

No one but Fred Wilpon knows how much he lost by investing with Bernard Madoff, and even he may not yet know the full hit in a scheme that may have taken investors for a mind-boggling $50 billion. The Mets, though, were concerned enough to put out a statement saying it will not affect the day-to-day operations and long-term plans of the team.

Just what those plans are, it’s hard to say. The grand scheme of the Mets for years has been simply to throw money at the latest big free agent and hope he produces enough to get them into the playoffs.

That’s why Carlos Beltran got more than market value to hit .275 and provide 30 home runs a year. It’s why the Mets outbid everybody by giving up a ton of talent to the Minnesota Twins and $137.5 million to Johan Santana to land a premium pitcher.

In a way the Mets—much like their crosstown rivals in pinstripes—were funding a Ponzi scheme of their own, promising big payouts with the hope that fans keep investing in overpriced tickets to see them play. Those tickets will be even more expensive next season while the Mets collect their first $20 million in naming rights for their new stadium from a bank that taxpayers are now bailing out.

Francisco Rodriguez was the latest benefactor of the team’s largesse, getting $37 million guaranteed to do what no one seemed able to do last season— close games for the Mets. That’s good money for a guy who works only every few nights or so, but it almost went unnoticed in the spending frenzy uncorked in Las Vegas by the other New York baseball team.

Even at a time when banks are collapsing and the amount spent in bailouts is unfathomable, what the Yankees did in the space of a few days is staggering. First came the biggest contract ever for a pitcher, $161 million for CC Sabathia, followed soon after by $82.5 million for A.J. Burnett.

One left-handed arm. One righty. Total cost $243.5 million, or just a few million short of a quarter-billion dollars.

In ordinary times we might simply shrug, declare that’s the cost of doing business in baseball, and look at next season’s schedule to see if tickets might be available when Sabathia pitches. That’s pretty much the way fans have reacted every year even as salaries rise to unimaginable levels.

But these aren’t ordinary times. The nation’s unemployment rate is headed toward double digits, those who still have jobs are worried they’ll lose them, and one out of every 10 U.S. homeowners are either late with their payments or have a house in foreclosure.

Yet Sabathia will make some $700,000 every time he takes the mound just because he was born with a talented left arm. Burnett will get a half-million for each of his starts just because he can throw a fastball in the mid-90s.

Those kind of numbers are troubling when things are good, obscene when they’re bad. Right now things are very bad, and we should be as outraged with the salaries as we are with the bank executives who gambled away billions like drunk sailors or the managers who ran the U.S. auto industry into the ground.

What does it say about our country when millions of children don’t have even basic health care and schools don’t have enough teachers, but grown men who play a game for a living make more money in one day than some of us will in our entire lives?

The greed on the other side is just as bad, if not worse. The Yankees and Mets scammed taxpayers to build them new stadiums when the old ones were perfectly serviceable just so they could sell more suites and raise ticket prices to unconscionable levels to afford their superstars. And while Los Angeles Dodgers president Jamie McCourt wondered aloud the other day whether teams should spend millions on ballplayers when they could use the money instead to build new fields for kids to play on, the cost of bringing the family to see a game at Dodger Stadium has gone up 57 percent since she and husband, Frank, bought the team five years ago.

Maybe we’re numb to it all now and the numbers are so big they have become meaningless. Maybe all our anger was used up on the financial geniuses who have brought the country to the brink of economic collapse.

We should be outraged, but somehow most baseball fans don’t seem to be.

They’re too busy counting the number of days until spring training begins.

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They're saying the Mighty Red Sox offer is still on the table, most reporters still think he's going to Boston. I like this. They went within' one game of the WS last season with the team they had.

Henry seems to be setting the market with this. Fuck you Boras, we will not go higher. Especially after his failed Arod opt out last year. It would be great to see him fail with this one. Think for a sec. This could also mean Manny doesn't get 8 years at 20 per, and has to settle for so much less, possibly even retire. That would make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

He and Traitor could reminisce about what it was like to be on a team that won.
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Per Gammo and Olney on Sports Center. Boras is seeking 8/195.

I fucking hope they're not a factor anymore.

That would make him the fourth highest paid player of all time. Behind Arod, Arod and Jeter.
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killeverything wrote:Per Gammo and Olney on Sports Center. Boras is seeking 8/195.

I fucking hope they're not a factor anymore.

That would make him the fourth highest paid player of all time. Behind Arod, Arod and Jeter.

And we've all seen how accurate reports about Tex have been so far...
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... st_th.html


Source: Manny Ramirez expects at least three-year offer from Yankees
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11:01pm: Michael S. Schmidt at the New York Times writes:

"The Yankees are interested in signing Teixeira, according to two people in baseball with knowledge of the matter, but for the moment are unwilling to pay him more than $160 million over eight years, one of them said."

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/12212008/sp ... 145259.htm



"NOW that the Red Sox have frozen their Mark Teixeira assets in the high- stakes poker game with super-agent Scott Boras, it creates an opening for the Yankees.

The Yankees are in this game, make no mistake. The Red Sox are not completely out either, despite owner John Henry's e-mail claiming otherwise. The Yankees, according to multiple industry sources, have had serious conversations with Boras about Teixeira and will continue those talks. They have yet to put their best offer on the table.

That offer could come quickly, though."
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Yankees on the verge of signing Manny Ramirez to a 3 yr 75 mil contract?


Impacto Deportivo Manny Report

By Tim Dierkes [December 21 at 10:53pm CST]

According to a report in the Dominican newspaper Impacto Deportivo, the Yankees are on the verge of signing Manny Ramirez to a three-year, $75MM deal. They say negotiations are advanced and an announcement would take place Monday or Tuesday. If true, this would be an incredible scoop. However there is reason for skepticism.

A look at Impacto Deportivo's recent history:

11/24/08: Reported the Braves as the mystery team in on Rafael Furcal, offering four years and $52MM. The offer was inaccurate, but they did nail the mystery team.
11/12/08: Correctly scooped the Damaso Marte signing.
2/21/08: Incorrectly indicated the White Sox reached an agreement with Bartolo Colon. Also incorrect on a similar rumor involving the Royals.
1/21/08: Correctly scooped the Octavio Dotel signing.
11/18/07: Correctly scooped the Luis Castillo signing
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Being the big Yankee fanatic I am, I really DO NOT care for the idea
of having manny signed for 3 yrs.
NOPE!!!
If he wants to sign for 1 yr, I can live with that. Anything more than 1 year is a risk I would rather not take.
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Randy Johnson is now a SF Giant.

Randy Johnson is headed home.
The free-agent left-hander agreed to a one-year deal with the San Francisco Giants on Friday, as originally reported by FOXSports.com. The contract is worth $8 million, according to The Associated Press.


http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8992 ... the-Giants

I want him to keep playing. He only needs 5 more wins to reach 300. He's at 4,789 strikeouts, that's pretty close to 5,000. I want RJ to annihalate Clemens in the standings. Push Rahjah and his roids to a #3.

NL West. A 2.41 ERA and a 78/16 K/BB after the All-Star Break last year. If RJ can stay healthy he can still get it done, unfortunately he'll playing for a team he pitched 26 innings of 1ERA ball, which adds up to like a 1/7th of his season. If SF added a bat ( not Rentawreck ) they could be a good club. With the exception of Zito they have a good pitching staff.
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