Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[Machado]

The more schilling talks, it's just 1 more bridge the guy is burning.
I LOVE IT!!

[killeverything]

The more schilling talks, it's just 1 more bridge the guy is burning.
I LOVE IT!!

I don't think he's burning a bridge. He said that last year. Along the lines of "if I can't re-sign with Boston, I wouldn't mind going to Tampa possibly. A team with youth and help mentor the staff."

Don't take it out of context. Schilling is done though.

Here's a funny quote I just read from the SI vault. "They said it" feature from October 20, 1986:

Roger Clemens, Red Sox pitcher, on what kind of music the team listens to when traveling to a game: "Whatever Jim Rice wants."

I think Schilling is a first ballott hall of famer. Winning in Arizona, and then going to Boston and doing that, if that's not hall of fame, what is. There has to be a point where fucking greatness is just recognized.

Mussina to be doesn't belong, but based on who's in there, he belongs. And that's the problem now.

I also don't see Moose as a HOFer. With the roid era though, he'll garner some consideration IMO. Unfortunatley for him, it's the Hall Of Fame not the Hall Of The Very Good.

If Moose was a lock, Tommy John would've been elected. A very good pitcher, just not good enough.

[Machado]

All of you are aware that I am a Yankee fan to the max.

Even still, I have to accept that Moose probably is NOT
a HOF. Things certainly could change between now and 15 yrs.

Not everybody has earned the right to enter the Hall. There are players like him that were very, very good. Players like him that put up very, very good numbers.
Hall of Fame numbers? That is a different story. I have to be true to myself and observe with an unbiased opinion. As much as I would love to see him enter the Hall, I would not count on it.

[killeverything]

All of you are aware that I am a Yankee fan to the max.

Even still, I have to accept that Moose probably is NOT
a HOF. Things certainly could change between now and 15 yrs.

Not everybody has earned the right to enter the Hall. There are players like him that were very, very good. Players like him that put up very, very good numbers.
Hall of Fame numbers? That is a different story. I have to be true to myself and observe with an unbiased opinion. As much as I would love to see him enter the Hall, I would not count on it.

Understood. We're in agreement with Moose just barely not making the cut.

As an MFY fan to the max, one player who misses the cut, which really sucks is Don Mattingly. If he didn't injure his back and was able to be productive for one maybe even two more seasons. He would have a ring, the numbers, and would've been a lock on the first ballot.

As a Mighty Red Sox fan, I think that sucks his career ended like that. Everyone loved that guy. Even fans of the rival teams.

[Machado]

All of you are aware that I am a Yankee fan to the max.

Even still, I have to accept that Moose probably is NOT
a HOF. Things certainly could change between now and 15 yrs.

Not everybody has earned the right to enter the Hall. There are players like him that were very, very good. Players like him that put up very, very good numbers.
Hall of Fame numbers? That is a different story. I have to be true to myself and observe with an unbiased opinion. As much as I would love to see him enter the Hall, I would not count on it.

Understood. We're in agreement with Moose just barely not making the cut.

As an MFY fan to the max, one player who misses the cut, which really sucks is Don Mattingly. If he didn't injure his back and was able to be productive for one maybe even two more seasons. He would have a ring, the numbers, and would've been a lock on the first ballot.

As a Mighty Red Sox fan, I think that sucks his career ended like that. Everyone loved that guy. Even fans of the rival teams.

Fucking sox fans have to bring up Donnie Baseball I did my best in the post above not to mention his name because doing that upsets me.
Donnie was on the road to Cooperstown, but his aching back got the best of him.
Once again, his stats are very, very good, but just shy of HOF status. I hate to admit that but again I must be honest and unbiased.

And don't get me started on him missing out on a ring.

Now you know why I hate the fucking red sox...

[killeverything]

All of you are aware that I am a Yankee fan to the max.

Even still, I have to accept that Moose probably is NOT
a HOF. Things certainly could change between now and 15 yrs.

Not everybody has earned the right to enter the Hall. There are players like him that were very, very good. Players like him that put up very, very good numbers.
Hall of Fame numbers? That is a different story. I have to be true to myself and observe with an unbiased opinion. As much as I would love to see him enter the Hall, I would not count on it.

Understood. We're in agreement with Moose just barely not making the cut.

As an MFY fan to the max, one player who misses the cut, which really sucks is Don Mattingly. If he didn't injure his back and was able to be productive for one maybe even two more seasons. He would have a ring, the numbers, and would've been a lock on the first ballot.

As a Mighty Red Sox fan, I think that sucks his career ended like that. Everyone loved that guy. Even fans of the rival teams.

Fucking sox fans have to bring up Donnie Baseball I did my best in the post above not to mention his name because doing that upsets me.
Donnie was on the road to Cooperstown, but his aching back got the best of him.
Once again, his stats are very, very good, but just shy of HOF status. I hate to admit that but again I must be honest and unbiased.

And don't get me started on him missing out on a ring.

Now you know why I hate the fucking red sox...

Hey, it's not Boston's fault he had his career de-railed.

Fuck, you bastards won the World Series with OUR third baseman, and OUR roid-fueled pitcher.

Believe me were even.

[Hootchietoad]

All of you are aware that I am a Yankee fan to the max.

Even still, I have to accept that Moose probably is NOT
a HOF. Things certainly could change between now and 15 yrs.

Not everybody has earned the right to enter the Hall. There are players like him that were very, very good. Players like him that put up very, very good numbers.
Hall of Fame numbers? That is a different story. I have to be true to myself and observe with an unbiased opinion. As much as I would love to see him enter the Hall, I would not count on it.

Understood. We're in agreement with Moose just barely not making the cut.

As an MFY fan to the max, one player who misses the cut, which really sucks is Don Mattingly. If he didn't injure his back and was able to be productive for one maybe even two more seasons. He would have a ring, the numbers, and would've been a lock on the first ballot.

As a Mighty Red Sox fan, I think that sucks his career ended like that. Everyone loved that guy. Even fans of the rival teams.

It sucks that Mattingly probably won't make it. I had been a Red Sox fan since I was old enough to follow the game, and Yaz was my favorite player as a kid. Then he retired in '83 and Boggs emerged. I was a diehard Boggs fan and when he went to the Yanks I followed, got my fitted Yankee hat and everything. '94 was tough, cause Boggs would have had a second chance at a ring and Mattingly, who I hated just a few years earlier but now respected and enjoyed, would have finally gotten the opportunity to play on the big stage. Montreal was tough that year though. Anyway, Donnie's career ended too soon, Boggs got his ring (though he platooned a little too much with Charlie Hayes in '96 imo) and I went back to the Sox when Boggs went to Tampa. Still though, from the late '80's to mid '90's Mattingly was one of the best.

[JakeYonkel]

I don't think Mattingly had the numbers to make the Hall. Kirby Puckett didn't either. Stack them up next to eachother, it's pretty close. Puckett's in, Mattingly won't be. Go figure.



I think Moose makes it. Winning 300 games is fast becoming a thing of yesteryear. The guy had an outstanding winning percentage and pitched his entire career in the toughest offensive division in baseball. If he played an additional 3 years just to hit an arbitrary win total, would it really make his case any stronger?

[tin00can]

I just wonder if the Angels will ever have ANYBODY in the HOF. Assuming Vlad gets in, which he should, I think he should go in as an Expo.

[Hell'sHungryChild]

All of you are aware that I am a Yankee fan to the max.

Even still, I have to accept that Moose probably is NOT
a HOF. Things certainly could change between now and 15 yrs.

Not everybody has earned the right to enter the Hall. There are players like him that were very, very good. Players like him that put up very, very good numbers.
Hall of Fame numbers? That is a different story. I have to be true to myself and observe with an unbiased opinion. As much as I would love to see him enter the Hall, I would not count on it.

Understood. We're in agreement with Moose just barely not making the cut.

As an MFY fan to the max, one player who misses the cut, which really sucks is Don Mattingly. If he didn't injure his back and was able to be productive for one maybe even two more seasons. He would have a ring, the numbers, and would've been a lock on the first ballot.

As a Mighty Red Sox fan, I think that sucks his career ended like that. Everyone loved that guy. Even fans of the rival teams.

Fucking sox fans have to bring up Donnie Baseball I did my best in the post above not to mention his name because doing that upsets me.
Donnie was on the road to Cooperstown, but his aching back got the best of him.
Once again, his stats are very, very good, but just shy of HOF status. I hate to admit that but again I must be honest and unbiased.

And don't get me started on him missing out on a ring.

Now you know why I hate the fucking red sox...

I feel your exact pain about Mattingly Machado. Him barely missing out on the ring and his derailed career made me give up on watching baseball for about 10 years. I was literally heartbroken. He was my favorite player and followed his career since 1984 and had delusional hope even in his last year that he would have a miracle comeback. Oh well, i know he doesn't have the #'s but maybe in 10 years he'll make it in there by...some default...something...anything.

[killeverything]

I don't think Mattingly had the numbers to make the Hall. Kirby Puckett didn't either. Stack them up next to eachother, it's pretty close. Puckett's in, Mattingly won't be. Go figure.



I think Moose makes it. Winning 300 games is fast becoming a thing of yesteryear. The guy had an outstanding winning percentage and pitched his entire career in the toughest offensive division in baseball. If he played an additional 3 years just to hit an arbitrary win total, would it really make his case any stronger?

I think Puckett's case was his deteriorating eyesight ended his career. It's not something that he aquired from game injuries, he was a player still playing in his prime-ish. That got the disease or whatever the diagnosis was. I think the difference was that Puckett wasn't prone to spending a lot of time on the DL. So his career was more in the sense "tragic." At least that's my opinion of it.

Oh well, i know he doesn't have the #'s but maybe in 10 years he'll make it in there by...some default...something...anything.

It's possible the when his time is up on the balloting, when it goes to the Veteran's Committee vote. He'll get in that way. He is highly respected by a lot of former players, and I could see a push to get him in. Maybe that's just me as a fan that loved the guy thinking alturistically.

Everybody loves Donnie Baseball, mang.

[tin00can]

I just wonder if the Angels will ever have ANYBODY in the HOF. Assuming Vlad gets in, which he should, I think he should go in as an Expo.

Ryan's best years were as an Angel, he really should have gone in as one.

Seem like they have had a lot of HOF'ers come through town, but most of them started and finished elsewhere and were only in Anaheim for a short time.

Ryan had (has?) a long-standing beef against the Angels for not re-signing him as a free agent. I can't remember who said it, but somebody in the front office at the time said "we can replace him with two 8-8 pitchers for half the price" and off he went to Texas. Yeah, that worked out for them.

[Machado]

NEW YORK -- The odds of Andy Pettitte's return to pinstripes, once considered a virtual certainty, appear to be dwindling by the day.
More than two months have passed since Pettitte was offered -- and later rejected -- a one-year, $10 million offer to help open the new Yankee Stadium as a member of the club's rotation.

Having extended a combined $423.5 million to free agents CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira this offseason, the Yankees no longer have a standing offer on the table to Pettitte, though dialogue has continued.

According to a report Tuesday on SI.com, a Yankees official characterized the odds of Pettitte resuming his career with the organization as "less than a 50-50 chance."

Pettitte's representative, Randy Hendricks, did not return an e-mail seeking comment.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said after the Teixeira announcement that Pettitte's situation had grown "more complicated now" and that, if need be, the club was prepared to round out its rotation from within.

New York has one slot open where a contender from the group of Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Alfredo Aceves or Jason Johnson could join manager Joe Girardi's five-man staff. Sabathia and Burnett would head that rotation, along with Chien-Ming Wang and Joba Chamberlain.

That is bad news for Pettitte, who has been reluctant to accept such a significant pay cut from the $16 million he earned in each of the last two seasons.

"I care a great deal about the guy and what he's meant here," Cashman said last week. "Ultimately, Spring Training is not upon us. The fifth starter is going to come, at this point, from one of those kids. If that changes, the best way to leave it is that we'll certainly let you know."

Pettitte was 14-14 with a 4.54 ERA in 33 starts for New York last year, though his second half -- perennially one of his calling cards -- was less than stellar.


He was 2-7 with a 6.23 ERA after July 31, raising questions about his preparation for the season following his inclusion in baseball's Mitchell Report and subsequent testimony in front of a Congressional committee in Washington, D.C.

Pettitte said at the conclusion of the regular season that he wanted to pitch in the new Yankee Stadium, and that if he were to pitch in 2009, it would not be for anybody but the Yankees. In November, he sent word through his agents that he intended to play in '09.

If Pettitte and the Yankees cannot settle upon a dollar figure that pleases both sides, retirement is an option for the 36-year-old left-hander, which would make him the second Yankees hurler to call it quits this offseason, after Mike Mussina.

Pettitte spoke to Dodgers manager Joe Torre earlier this offseason about the possibility of continuing his career in Los Angeles, but Torre said that he predicted Pettitte would wind up back with the Yankees.

There had also been speculation of Pettitte re-joining the Astros, but Houston GM Ed Wade said that such a scenario was improbable.

Wade told MLB.com on Thursday that the Astros have not had any discussions with Pettitte or his representatives, and that "we don't see a scenario where he would fit into our payroll scenario at this time."

[JakeYonkel]

Pettitte's acting like such a bitch.

[Machado]

I don't think Mattingly had the numbers to make the Hall. Kirby Puckett didn't either. Stack them up next to eachother, it's pretty close. Puckett's in, Mattingly won't be. Go figure.



I think Moose makes it. Winning 300 games is fast becoming a thing of yesteryear. The guy had an outstanding winning percentage and pitched his entire career in the toughest offensive division in baseball. If he played an additional 3 years just to hit an arbitrary win total, would it really make his case any stronger?

For the life of me, I can't figure out why he retired. He's coming off a 20 game year, he'll pitch fourth in the rotation with no pressure, and have a realistic chance to win a World Series. Its shocking. I heard he hates Girardi but that can't be the reason.

Itjogs-The answer is actually very simple and has nothing to do with ill feelings towards Girardi.
Moose knew that if he decided to pitch in '09, he would be making a commitment for not just one year, but possibly 3 yrs.
In order for him to get 300 wins, he knew it would take more than 1 season and possibly up to 3 seasons.
So he decided against making that kind of commitment.
I can understand where he is coming from. The man wants to spend more time w/his family, on his farm.
He has more than enough money to never work again.
He played in the majors for a very long time.

Plain n simple reason why to hang up the cleats for good.

[Machado]

Pettitte's acting like such a bitch.

Sometimes I want to punch Andy in the face.

Then again, I wonder how much pressure the player's Union has placed on him for even thinking of taking a $6 million pay-cut.

He made $16 million in '08. Yankees offered $10 million in '09. You know the strongest Union in pro sports will have something to say about that.

If Andy retires, then BONA FORTUNA. But if he suits up in another uniform other than the Yankees in '09, you can bet I will have a HUGE problem
with that.

C'mon Andy, tell the Union to go fuck themselves, put the pinstripes on for 1 more year(if the desire to pitch is there) and let's win another ring
in '09!!

[Machado]

Petitte probably looks at the way Hank & Hal have handed out money this year and figures he should get some too. Can't really blame him. They can look at the extra money as a $6M insurance policy against the morons blowing out Joba's arm by jerking him around from pen to roatation and back.

BULLSHIT!!
Come back when you have a clue.

Offering Pettitte $10 million to pitch in '09 as the #4 starter is a very generous offer.
More so considering last year he made $16 million. What's the problem?
He said he wanted to return. He said he would not pitch anywhere else. The offer was on the table and he never did sign. Not sure
what else the Yankees could do?
Oh wait, Cashman flew to Houston and had a face to face with Andy. Again, what more can the Yankees do.


Nobody is jerking around Joba. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

[JakeYonkel]

I'm with Lickety on the Joba thing.

I think he's a better reliever (face it, he's DOMINANT in the pen) but if they want to give him a go as a starter, fine. Just make up your mind and do one or the other. None of this in-between bullshit.

I'd rather have the lights out, MVP-caliber closer than a good starter. And while he's shown promise as a starting pitcher, you already know what he's capable of in the pen. With him and Mariano, the Yankees are playing 7 inning games most nights.

[nycyankee]

Joba Chamberlain is a starting pitcher. That is what he was in Nebraska and the minor leagues.

THe only reason he was turned into a reliever in 2007 was because he was on an innings count and they needed desperate help in the pen.

The guy's stuff is too filthy to waste in the pen. Let's not forget that his ERA was in the 2's as as a starter before he got injured last season. He pitched a gem at fenway and outpitched Beckett. The guy is a starter. PERIOD !!

[bighairdiscs]

Joba Chamberlain is a starting pitcher. That is what he was in Nebraska and the minor leagues.

THe only reason he was turned into a reliever in 2007 was because he was on an innings count and they needed desperate help in the pen.

The guy's stuff is too filthy to waste in the pen. Let's not forget that his ERA was in the 2's as as a starter before he got injured last season. He pitched a gem at fenway and outpitched Beckett. The guy is a starter. PERIOD !!

As a Sox fan, I hope you are correct.

I think Joba is a DOMINANT relief pitcher..... that's his true value. As a starter, he doesn't know how to pace himself..... he pitches every single inning as if it's the bottom of the ninth.... he tries to blow away every single hitter. As a starter, those tendencies will have two end-results.... first- he won't go very deep into games due to a high pitch count. second- he will blow his fucking arm out, and his career will be infinitely shorter. If he's ever gonna be a true starting pitcher, he needs to learn how to pace himself as such..... I don't see that happening, because the guy has a bullpen mentality (that's not a bad thing).

The Yanks have a valuable weapon with Joba, but they have no idea how to utilize him.......

[Machado]

Joba Chamberlain is a starting pitcher. That is what he was in Nebraska and the minor leagues.

THe only reason he was turned into a reliever in 2007 was because he was on an innings count and they needed desperate help in the pen.

The guy's stuff is too filthy to waste in the pen. Let's not forget that his ERA was in the 2's as as a starter before he got injured last season. He pitched a gem at fenway and outpitched Beckett. The guy is a starter. PERIOD !!

It's one thing for a guy to pitch dominantly for 8 innings one time, and it's another thing for him to pitch dominantly for 7-8 innings every 5 days for 6 months.

Joba the starter will end up either having:
a very low pitch count
a strong start and a fade out right around the trading deadline
or an injury/"dead arm" that becomes nagging or season-ending some time in August

It's no secret that I can't stand the Yankees, but at the same time I hate to see a promising young pitcher get burned out because thaere aren't that many great ones in the game and the greats are fun to watch regardless of who's jersey they are wearing. Joba = great closer

There is no telling what will happen w/Joba in '09. The Yankees have said he will slot in at the 5th starter position. Nothing wrong with that spot.
He may or may not be on a pitch count. He certainly will be on some sort of innings cap. What that is, I have no clue.
As a 5th starter the team will have the luxury to possibly skip his turn a few times during the long season. Again, I have no problem with that.

Mo Rivera is not going anywhere. Unless he has a devastating injury that nobody can forsee, he remains the dominant closer for another 2-3 yrs.

[Sabu]

The guy has the stuff to be the most dominant closer in the game.

He had tricep tendinitis in 2006 and rotator cuff tendinitis in 2008 which can be attributed to his throwing style. I just don't know if that's the type of arm you want to risk, or can even rationally think about, trying to get 30 starts and 200 innings out of.

He puts a lot of strain on his arm with his pitching style which could possibly be from trying to overthrow the baseball. If he's a starter, he may be able to throw 100 MPH, but he's realistically going to have to start to "work" at 92-94 or he's going to continue to have arm troubles. The guy is not going to throw over the course of 6-8 innings how he throws for that one inning... at least not without destroying his arm.

The Yanks hit the jackpot with him as the potential replacement for the greatest closer in the history of the game and the ABSOLUTE most difficult player they will ever have to replace. Making him a starter makes zero sense when they've shown that if they need a starting pitcher, they have the resources to go out and get one.

[killeverything]

The biggest question the MFY face is Joba's value. I've posted his Minor League #s before, and it's frightening. Most starters start off in the BP ( Pedro Martinez ), till they learn how to pitch. In 2007 Joba struck out 38% of the batters he faced, coming out of the pen.

A one - two of Joba/Rivera would be as dominate as they come.

Then there is the other question. What to do with Joba, I think depends on Hughes. If Phil Hughes finally pitches to ( what I perceive ) as his potential. It would be safe to keep Joba in the pen. If they're slotting him as the #5, and it's a good way to monitor his pitch-counts. I think it sets them up to fail in the long run.

This also goes back to Pettitte. It's being reported that the sides are nowhere near making a deal. I think they need that "veteran presence" in the back of the rotation. It seems arbitrary to lock up 400m, then have it all falter at the end. It would force them ( again ) to bring up, or put Joba in situations too early.

I don't think NY can afford to gloss over the pitching, since they're defense only improved on the first base level. Here's their +/- rankings:

2003 -48 101wins
2004 -83 101wins
2005 -164 95wins
2006 -67 97wins
2007 -42 94wins
2008 -75 89wins

They bombed their way to the Playoffs, mixing a potent offense with a lack of defense. They came in first or second in RS most of those years, but didn't make the WS ( which they lost ) since 2003.

We all know that Pitching and Defense win Championships. For example here's also a list of the defense of WS winners and losers:

2003 Marlins -43 MFY -48
2004 Red Sox +13 Cardinals +38
2005 White Sox +52 Astros +50
2006 Cardinals +65 Tigers +15
2007 Red Sox +13 Rockies -3
2008 Phillies +74 Rays +34

With the evidence glaringly obvious. I don't think NY can afford to have question marks with their rotation. Joba is fucking incredible, but wouldn't you like him to not be on the DL come the ASB? I think this whole holding out on Pettitte shit is begnin. Do it. Depend on kids and miss the Playoffs again.....it gives me glee. That has to frustrate the fuck out of the MFY fans, when the problem seems so simple.

*edit*

Holy shit! I just got the MLB channel! This is the greatest thing ever! I won't ever leave the house now. Fuck.

[JakeYonkel]

Holy shit! I just got the MLB channel! This is the greatest thing ever! I won't ever leave the house now. Fuck.

Dude, it's AWESOME. Hot Stove is a cool program, but my favorite so far is the show they do called "MLB Seasons" where it highlights an entire year. So far I've only seen 1995 and 1986 but I don't think they've produced anymore than that. The '86 one is great, I know you probably won't think so but it was really cool.

And they keep showing the '56 World Series perfect game w/ the original commercials, and a new interview with Larsen & Yogi. Gotta catch that.

[killeverything]

I think we'll see less of Phillip Hughes than Howard Hughes and Ian Kennedy is as dead as John, Jr.

Cashman is the worse pitching evaluator in the history of baseball.

AND THEY ARE FUCKING JOBA UP!!

I don't know if I would neccesarily say Cashman is a bad pitching evaluator. He's the one that grabbed Joba. Look at the draft ( if I could find it I would post who had picks first ). He was picked up in the 1st round ( supplemental ). The Yankees did not have the very first pick. At least 6 other teams passed on Joba first. Theo being one of them.

I have no doubt that they're fucking up Joba's future which pisses me off. I don't think it's Cashman though. I think it's thier medical staff/trainers. It's happened to Hughes and Kennedy too. It seems to me a large enough sample size to show something is wrong with the preparation.

When you have pitchers like Phillip Hughes ( who almost through a no-hitter his second start, until he was injured ), and Joba Chamberlain in your system. You fire the fucking trainers if those guys so much as stub their toe. Two incredible talents. I don't blame Cash. Keep in mind the majority of the decisions Cashman acts on, comes from Tampa. Either Steinbrenner or his retarded sons.

If Cashman got FULL control, I think we'd see a different team all together.

Dude, it's AWESOME. Hot Stove is a cool program, but my favorite so far is the show they do called "MLB Seasons" where it highlights an entire year. So far I've only seen 1995 and 1986 but I don't think they've produced anymore than that. The '86 one is great, I know you probably won't think so but it was really cool.

And they keep showing the '56 World Series perfect game w/ the original commercials, and a new interview with Larsen & Yogi. Gotta catch that.

Yeah, I can't wait to see all of it. I'd actually like to watch the '86 one. Yeah, the ending sucked , but it will take me back to being 9 years old and having a room decked out with Roger Clemens posters, a Wade Boggs glove, etc. This is fucking awesome.

[killeverything]

With the opportunites available to Cashman, he sucks shit at evaluating pitching. And with regard to Joba, what's that expression "even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut"?

Since Andy Pettite came along, what other starting pitcher have the Yankees Developed? And why do you think he overpaid for Sabathia? Because he thought Hughes and Kennedy weren't worth it for Santana.

And I am not getting into the list of free agents that have sucked shit over the last eight years that he brought in.

You have a good point.

Although it's rhetorical. If someone doesn't work out, It's Tampa. If they do it's Cashman. As for the overpay, sign everybody ( RJ, Pavano, Moose, Brown, etc. ) that one was the work of the Boss. He stated specifically after the 2001 World Series that was what he was going to do. Same with Sabbathia and missing the Playoffs last season.

I'm not really sure on Santana, and the reasons they passed 100% on him. They of all teams can afford to give him the contract extension he desired. If Phillip Hughes got the right training and works out. Cashman will look like a genius.

I'm just saying the "win now, win now, win now! Sign, sign, sign!" Comes from Tampa. What happened last time Steinbrenner was suspended from baseball? Oh that's right Gene Micheal. How many rings under his reign? Who returned and what happened? We'll probably never really know, but I don't think Cashman is really to blame.

[Machado]

Holy shit! I just got the MLB channel! This is the greatest thing ever! I won't ever leave the house now. Fuck.

Dude, it's AWESOME. Hot Stove is a cool program, but my favorite so far is the show they do called "MLB Seasons" where it highlights an entire year. So far I've only seen 1995 and 1986 but I don't think they've produced anymore than that. The '86 one is great, I know you probably won't think so but it was really cool.

And they keep showing the '56 World Series perfect game w/ the original commercials, and a new interview with Larsen & Yogi. Gotta catch that.

Do either of you have Comcast? I do and my tv listings do NOT tell me
which programs are airing.
Instead I have a generic MLB BASEBALL listings, with no specific programs or length of program.

Plus, my Channel is in SD, not HD

[Machado]

I laugh when people are quick to judge players.

The jury is still out on Hughes and Kennedy.

They are still very, very young.

Why are we so quick to judge?

Some experts might say the Yankees rushed both to the big leagues?
Some also say these 2 pitchers need more seasoning?

I have no clue what will happen with both, but if neither breaks camp on the big league roster, I'd like to think it's because the 5 starters we have are solid.

No team can have enough pitching.
Having those 2 lurking in the minors can not be a negative.

[killeverything]

Maybe, but the jury is still out on Hughes. He's a kid, and from all indications is an ace in the waiting. I wouldn't have traded him either. If it fails, you'll be asked why you didn't trade him a million times. When you have that much talent-potential, you hold onto it.

We'll have to see with the other players. They needed Teixera. They needed some more pitching. Even if they had Santana, they still needed to add a Burnett. I don't think that the MFY were neccesarily set up to be WS Champions last season regardless.

I think that it doesn't matter who they would've signed to pitch. Referencing my own post earlier, the defensive shortcomings would've possibly done them in anyway. Of course that brings up a whole other discussion ( Tom M. Tango, DER, UZR, DiPS, FiP, Micheal Lichtman, etc. ). And it's relevance to the post-season.

I don't disagree with the spending this year, to fix the mistakes or fill the holes...so to speak. It all goes down to "where does the blame lie?" We'll never really know. I blame Tampa, you blame Cashman. Next season if there is no ring. I'll blame Cashman, you blame Tampa. Deal?

Do either of you have Comcast? I do and my tv listings do NOT tell me
which programs are airing.
Instead I have a generic MLB BASEBALL listings, with no specific programs or length of program.

Plus, my Channel is in SD, not HD

I have Comcast. You need to call them and have them refresh the channel for you. When I got it. I immeadiately looked up what was showing for the week. Wow.

As for HD, I don't know yet. I don't have a HD TV. One will be here shortly, just not yet.

[Machado]

Maybe, but the jury is still out on Hughes. He's a kid, and from all indications is an ace in the waiting. I wouldn't have traded him either. If it fails, you'll be asked why you didn't trade him a million times. When you have that much talent-potential, you hold onto it.

We'll have to see with the other players. They needed Teixera. They needed some more pitching. Even if they had Santana, they still needed to add a Burnett. I don't think that the MFY were neccesarily set up to be WS Champions last season regardless.

I think that it doesn't matter who they would've signed to pitch. Referencing my own post earlier, the defensive shortcomings would've possibly done them in anyway. Of course that brings up a whole other discussion ( Tom M. Tango, DER, UZR, DiPS, FiP, Micheal Lichtman, etc. ). And it's relevance to the post-season.

I don't disagree with the spending this year, to fix the mistakes or fill the holes...so to speak. It all goes down to "where does the blame lie?" We'll never really know. I blame Tampa, you blame Cashman. Next season if there is no ring. I'll blame Cashman, you blame Tampa. Deal?

[qoute="Machado"]Do either of you have Comcast? I do and my tv listings do NOT tell me
which programs are airing.
Instead I have a generic MLB BASEBALL listings, with no specific programs or length of program.

Plus, my Channel is in SD, not HD

I have Comcast. You need to call them and have them refresh the channel for you. When I got it. I immeadiately looked up what was showing for the week. Wow.

As for HD, I don't know yet. I don't have a HD TV. One will be here shortly, just not yet.[/quote]

Thanks for that Comcast info. I'll get on the horn soon and have those greedy bastards refresh the channel.

As for my Yankees, I am looking forward to this season for many reasons.
Our free agent signings were huge and we expect great things from them all.
If tomorrow was opening day, I would envision this batting order:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3B
Matsui DH
Nady RF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Melky or Gardner CF

I agree that defense wins. Tex is an upgrade over Giambi. That much is certain. CF will be fine because both of those players have speed and Melky had approx 11 assists last year.
The infield will have to play a lot better defense this year and that goes for Jeter as well.

Hughes was on the right path in '07. He pitched a gem that night in texas, until his hamstring gave way. Since then he has been unable to regain that form and velocity. I hope he can return to that form and help this team win, if we call upon him.
Our rotation could look like this:

CC
Burnett
Wang
Hughes
Joba

Of course Hughes could be replaced by Pettitte is he signs,