Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[JakeYonkel]

Well, seeing as how he's pretty much the biggest name in baseball, by default he's the biggest name on the list.

I mean somebody like Jeter transcends the sport since he's an advertising whore, but you know what I mean.

Whatever the case may be, A-Rod is fucked no matter how he handles it.

I just wish there was some accountability from the people who leaked supposed confidential information, and at least another name off the list of 104 to make this look like less of a witchhunt, and give some credibility to this reporter Selena Roberts.

[JakeYonkel]

A-Rod is sitting down with Gammons now. Michael Kay of 1050 ESPN Radio in NY reports that A-Rod just admitted to using between 2001-2003 while trying to live up to the $252M contract he signed with Texas.

[Machado]

Well, seeing as how he's pretty much the biggest name in baseball, by default he's the biggest name on the list.

I mean somebody like Jeter transcends the sport since he's an advertising whore, but you know what I mean.

Whatever the case may be, A-Rod is fucked no matter how he handles it.

I just wish there was some accountability from the people who leaked supposed confidential information, and at least another name off the list of 104 to make this look like less of a witchhunt, and give some credibility to this reporter Selena Roberts.

i hear ya. from a legal standpoint, i would think that A-Rod and his people are looking into the situation. i would think that MLBPA is also conducting their own investigation.
when the results are meant to be kept confidential, what don't those people understand about confidential.

of course the other 103 names should be released. they should have been released all at once.
when A-Rod is involved, the guy is singled out 1st and he gets the entire weekend to be abused.

can not wait to read a statement from him. and see what happens.

[Machado]

A-Rod is sitting down with Gammons now. Michael Kay of 1050 ESPN Radio in NY reports that A-Rod just admitted to using between 2001-2003 while trying to live up to the $252M contract he signed with Texas.

His voice shaking at times, Alex Rodriguez met head-on allegations that he tested positive for steroids six years ago, telling ESPN on Monday that he did take performance-enhancing drugs while playing for the Texas Rangers during a three-year period beginning in 2001.




Rodriguez

"When I arrived in Texas in 2001, I felt an enormous amount of pressure. I needed to perform, and perform at a high level every day," Rodriguez told ESPN's Peter Gammons in an interview in Miami Beach, Fla. "Back then, [baseball] was a different culture. It was very loose. I was young, I was stupid, I was naïve. I wanted to prove to everyone I was worth being one of the greatest players of all time.

"I did take a banned substance. For that, I'm very sorry and deeply regretful."

Rodriguez's admission comes 48 hours after Sports Illustrated reported that Rodriguez was on a list of 104 players who tested positive for banned substances in 2003, the year when Major League Baseball conducted survey tests to see if mandatory, random drug-testing was needed in the sport.

Sources who know about the testing results told SI that Rodriguez tested positive for testosterone and Primobolan, an anabolic steroid. In his ESPN interview, Rodriguez said he did not know exactly which substance or substances he had taken. In 2003, there were no penalties for a positive result.

"I am sorry for my Texas years," the New York Yankees third baseman said. "I apologize to the fans of Texas."

Rodriguez, who joined the Yankees for the 2004 season after a trade from Texas, said "all my years in New York have been clean." He also said it felt good to be honest about what he's done in the past.

"The more honest we can all be, the quicker we can get baseball [back] to where it needs to be," he said.

Rodriguez said he stopped taking substances after injuring himself at spring training in 2003 with the Rangers.

"It wasn't a real dramatic day. I started experimenting with things that, today, are not legal," he said, "that today are not accepted ... ever since that incident happened, I realized that I don't need any of it."

He said the culture earlier this decade of taking performance-enhancing substances was "prevalent." "There were a lot of people doing a lot of different things," Rodriguez said, noting that he wasn't specifically pointing out the Rangers.

Rodriguez said he was told by Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the MLB Players' Association, that he might, or might not, have tested positive in the 2003 survey. A source told ESPN on Saturday that Rodriguez knew he had failed the test.

"I had never heard anything since," he said. "Whatever I was experimenting with in Texas might have been OK."

Rodriguez also said of his 2007 interview with Katie Couric on "60 Minutes," when he denied ever using steroids, that "at the time, I wasn't being truthful with myself. How could I be truthful with Katie Couric or CBS?"

[JakeYonkel]

I love how he claims he felt pressure to live up to the $252M deal with Texas.

Yeah, how abou the pressure with a $275M deal in New York?

[Machado]

I love how he claims he felt pressure to live up to the $252M deal with Texas.

Yeah, how abou the pressure with a $275M deal in New York?

C'mon now, let's look at this from a different angle.

While in Texas, he admitted being naive, young and stupid. Why can't he grow up a little during those 3 yrs and decide to stop using Steroids?
Can that be impossible?

Plus, if he is caught lying during his apology and evidence comes out that he was also using as a Yankee, how embarrassing would that be for him?


I have to say this about Jose Canseco-The man knew his crap and often he said how shocked he was that A-Rod was not mentioned in the Mitchell report.

Goes to show that Jose should have been taken much more seriously when he 1st made his comments a few yrs ago.

[Machado]

Well here we go. Selena Roberts just might have good reason to name A-Rod and nobody else over the weekend.
She has a book coming out in May
Wow! What a surprise
I heard her on Dan Patrick this morning and she would not talk about "the process" of releasing more names from the list of 104 and she would not comment about why only 1 name(A-Rod) was released. Interesing!!



The steroids story was uncovered by SI reporter Selena Roberts, who said more detail would be included in a magazine article to hit newsstands Tuesday. Roberts is also researching an unauthorized biography, "Hit and Run: The Many Lives of Alex Rodriguez," which will be released on May 19 by HarperCollins.

[Machado]

He is now shit. He is getting killed here on the radio. I hope he cries like a bitch, asks for forgiveness and doesn't get it.

That being said this is so fucking depressing I can't take it. He's worse than all of these guys because he embraced being the clean guy, going out of his way to insult guys who took their kids to school in the morning. Plus he lets Varitek slap him like a bitch and he karate chops balls out of guys hands.

I liked this guy. Now I hate him with a fucking passion. He should fucking quit and go away.

I for one do not HATE the guy. He made the best out of a very bad situation.
He admitted guilt. What more can he do at this point?
Who else has gone on tv and admitted to using in this fashion?
His perception right now is terrible, but I think by admitting his actions today, it will help him in the long run.

For now he'll take a beating, be called many names, but what more can we ask of the guy?

Want to know who should follow A-Rod's lead? No, not the 103 players on this list, but the owners, Bud Selig, people from the MLBPA.
All of them should get some balls and sit down on tv, turn that mic on and explain to the fans how they ripped us off year in and year out

[JakeYonkel]

Who else has gone on tv and admitted to using in this fashion?
His perception right now is terrible, but I think by admitting his actions today, it will help him in the long run.

He HAD to admit it though. He's unlike most of these other guys in that he's a guy in the middle of his career, not the end, with 9 more years under contract. The other big names were able to deny it because they don't have anything else at stake - Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa. They were all either retired or soon to be. A-Rod's only 33 years old.

[Machado]

Who else has gone on tv and admitted to using in this fashion?
His perception right now is terrible, but I think by admitting his actions today, it will help him in the long run.

He HAD to admit it though. He's unlike most of these other guys in that he's a guy in the middle of his career, not the end, with 9 more years under contract. The other big names were able to deny it because they don't have anything else at stake - Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa. They were all either retired or soon to be. A-Rod's only 33 years old.

Good point. Even still, he should be given some credit for telling the truth in the manner he did today.
Of course in a perfect world he should have admitted the truth back in Dec '07 when katie couric interviewed him. Or he could have admitted the truth before "this leak" was discovered.

Still very curious if and when the other 103 names will be released.
A-Rod could have been "the biggest" name on that list, but I wonder who the 2nd biggest name is?

The entire situation sucks. As a Yankee fan, I still support the team and DO NOT hate A-Rod one bit.

[Hootchietoad]

I don't feel sorry for any of these cheaters. I give the ones who admitted use a bit of credit, but the fact is they cheated. Then you have assholes like Sean Casey whining like a union bitch that these names weren't supposed to come out. WHAT THE FUCK DO THESE LYING FUCKING CHEATS NOT UNDERSTAND? They robbed the fans, their own families, the game itself and most of all themselves. Every fucking name should be released and they should all be ashamed and deal with the consequences. It's gonna a dry run for the hall in five or six years when none of these fuckers get in. As nuts as Schilling is, I agree with him...put the names out to at least exonerate those who may not have used.

[JakeYonkel]

From a Yankee standpoint, I think the guy is a headcase and a pain in the ass, but as far as steroids go, I don't take the moral high ground and don't really care. At this point, you almost have to assume EVERYBODY has dabbled in something or other.

As a baseball fan, it does suck because he was 'the guy' tht was going to break Bonds' record and restore it to a clean guy. Not anymore. And that sucks, because who the hell knows when the next time a guy will come along with his talent?

Finally, I hate it because he was already a tremendous, other-worldy baseball player before taking 'roids. WHY DO IT?? It's one thing if you're a fringe major leaguer and you figure you can catch on as a backup for a few years. But to be a player of Bonds or A-Rod's caliber, already a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer, it just reeks of arrogance. They want to be better than superhuman, they want to be gods.

[Machado]

From a Yankee standpoint, I think the guy is a headcase and a pain in the ass, but as far as steroids go, I don't take the moral high ground and don't really care. At this point, you almost have to assume EVERYBODY has dabbled in something or other.

As a baseball fan, it does suck because he was 'the guy' tht was going to break Bonds' record and restore it to a clean guy. Not anymore. And that sucks, because who the hell knows when the next time a guy will come along with his talent?

Finally, I hate it because he was already a tremendous, other-worldy baseball player before taking 'roids. WHY DO IT?? It's one thing if you're a fringe major leaguer and you figure you can catch on as a backup for a few years. But to be a player of Bonds or A-Rod's caliber, already a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer, it just reeks of arrogance. They want to be better than superhuman, they want to be gods.

In the interview, he admitted being selfish and asked himself why he was doing this. So yeah, arrogance is a good word to describe his actions.

The guy was young, naive and stupid. Made a huge mistake that will be with him forever.
Baseball was looking forward to A-Rod breaking the HR record. He was supposed to be that "clean guy", with zero history of PED. Well that indeed is out the window.

You asked "why do it". Obviously it was the pressure to perform each and everyday. The pressure to live up to the largest contract in MLB.

[JakeYonkel]

Well, clearly you believe every word out of his mouth, and that's fine.

I'm not saying I don't believe anything but I'm far more in the middle. All he kept doing was repeating that he was young and naive. That's all he claims to be guilty of - not asking enough questions.

Smells like BS to me.

But whatever, it was a long time ago. People want to look at his stats from those 3 years - also take into account he was hitting in a bandbox and stayed healthy all 3 years.

[Machado]

Well, clearly you believe every word out of his mouth, and that's fine.

I'm not saying I don't believe anything but I'm far more in the middle. All he kept doing was repeating that he was young and naive. That's all he claims to be guilty of - not asking enough questions.

Smells like BS to me.

But whatever, it was a long time ago. People want to look at his stats from those 3 years - also take into account he was hitting in a bandbox and stayed healthy all 3 years.

I wonder how long this story will be the lead on ESPN.

Plus, when will ESPN interview Canseco again? He should be once again applauded for writing his 1st book. For the most part, what he has said some been truthful.

Might be a good idea for A-Rod to take out 1 page ads in Seattle, Texas and NYC with an apology for the fans.
Would be nice huh?

[MickeyG]

A-Rod never went to college. He was signed by Seattle straight out of High School. The University of Miami is gonna name a Park after him because for some reason he gave them a $3.9 mil donation a few years ago.

Not that any of this matters. I just find his story interesting.

[killeverything]

Free agent outfielder Bobby Abreu and the Angels have an agreement on a one-year deal, SI.com has learned. The deal is worth a little more than $5 million and also includes incentives.

One was finally picked up. I think I would of chosen Dunn over Abreu, whom I've always thought was over-rated. I guess that hitting him in front of Vlad ( whose slg. has declined every year since '04 ), would be good for the cheap. This seems like a good signing for Anaheim.

[Machado]

A-Rod never went to college. He was signed by Seattle straight out of High School. The University of Miami is gonna name a Park after him because for some reason he gave them a $3.9 mil donation a few years ago.

Not that any of this matters. I just find his story interesting.

It's no secret that A-Rod has been very generous with his money in
the Miami area.
Even though he never went to college, I guess he has a home in Miami Beach???

[Facedown]

Appears Dunn is going to sign with the Nationals.

[Hell'sHungryChild]

He lied like a pompous self righteous fuck until he got caught.

Fuck everything else. Don't spin this about "he did what was right". He cheated. Wrong. He lied. Wrong.

He's a disgusting piece of shit. This whole contract was based on him being Mr. Clean. That's why it was worth it.

Fuck him. And he said "pretty" correct.

I don't believe him. There's no reason you should. 19 -22 is young. He was a grown ass man who was smart enough to sign a $250 million dollar contract. He was savvy since the day he walked out of the University of Miami or wherever. He's a douchebag.

Yep, also what George Brett said.

[Machado]

He lied like a pompous self righteous fuck until he got caught.

Fuck everything else. Don't spin this about "he did what was right". He cheated. Wrong. He lied. Wrong.

He's a disgusting piece of shit. This whole contract was based on him being Mr. Clean. That's why it was worth it.

Fuck him. And he said "pretty" correct.

I don't believe him. There's no reason you should. 19 -22 is young. He was a grown ass man who was smart enough to sign a $250 million dollar contract. He was savvy since the day he walked out of the University of Miami or wherever. He's a douchebag.

Yep, also what George Brett said.

I wonder what the reaction will be when the other "103" names are released.

[killeverything]

He lied like a pompous self righteous fuck until he got caught.

Fuck everything else. Don't spin this about "he did what was right". He cheated. Wrong. He lied. Wrong.

He's a disgusting piece of shit. This whole contract was based on him being Mr. Clean. That's why it was worth it.

Fuck him. And he said "pretty" correct.

I don't believe him. There's no reason you should. 19 -22 is young. He was a grown ass man who was smart enough to sign a $250 million dollar contract. He was savvy since the day he walked out of the University of Miami or wherever. He's a douchebag.

Yep, also what George Brett said.

I wonder what the reaction will be when the other "103" names are released.

Yeah man no shit.

It's going to be ugly, but it needs to happen. Roy Oswalt is saying to "erase his numbers." This fall-out is going to get bigger.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

A little OT, but am I just behind the times or has the Roberto Alomar AIDS thing not been public knowledge? He's getting sued by a former lover who said he had unprotected sex with her knowing he had full blown AIDS.

[JakeYonkel]

Yeah, the report just came out yesterday. Gang raped by Mexicans!

[Facedown]

Kevin Millar signs with Jays.
Mariners trying to bring Griffey back.

[McGuirk]

Should the ump Alomar spit on be worried?

[Machado]

Yeah man no shit.

It's going to be ugly, but it needs to happen. Roy Oswalt is saying to "erase his numbers." This fall-out is going to get bigger.

I saw what oswalt said yesterday on PTI. Of course I don't agree with erasing "all the numbers". Where do you draw the line when a player admits to using for specific years? It's not an easy decision or call to make.
But to erase everything? Not sure about that.

Now I read that selig is thinking about punishing A-Rod? WTF!!
Have you read what selig said-
"it was against the law, so i would have to think about that"
"this is breaking my heart, i don't mind telling you that"

way to show up late for the party(again) selig.

fucking guy needs to grow some balls and hold his own press conference.
allow the reporters to ask the tough questions and be forced to
answer them.
of course, that is a dream. he won't subject himself to that, but of course
he is already speaking about suspending a player who was part of an anonymous survey

[killeverything]

Yeah man no shit.

It's going to be ugly, but it needs to happen. Roy Oswalt is saying to "erase his numbers." This fall-out is going to get bigger.

I saw what oswalt said yesterday on PTI. Of course I don't agree with erasing "all the numbers". Where do you draw the line when a player admits to using for specific years? It's not an easy decision or call to make.
But to erase everything? Not sure about that.

Now I read that selig is thinking about punishing A-Rod? WTF!!
Have you read what selig said-
"it was against the law, so i would have to think about that"
"this is breaking my heart, i don't mind telling you that"

way to show up late for the party(again) selig.

fucking guy needs to grow some balls and hold his own press conference.
allow the reporters to ask the tough questions and be forced to
answer them.
of course, that is a dream. he won't subject himself to that, but of course
he is already speaking about suspending a player who was part of an anonymous survey

There is nothing Selig can do to punish him. Against the law? It was supposed to be anonymous, that would be entrapment.

The union and Selig has allowed this shit to get where it is. Hallowed records are in jeopardy, the game looks like a joke, etc. The only thing that can happen is the Union's back gets broken and Olympic style testing is implemented. Of course I'm dreaming......


So who was/is a worse commissioner, Kenesaw "Mountain" Landis or Bud Selig?

[Machado]

Yeah man no shit.

It's going to be ugly, but it needs to happen. Roy Oswalt is saying to "erase his numbers." This fall-out is going to get bigger.

I saw what oswalt said yesterday on PTI. Of course I don't agree with erasing "all the numbers". Where do you draw the line when a player admits to using for specific years? It's not an easy decision or call to make.
But to erase everything? Not sure about that.

Now I read that selig is thinking about punishing A-Rod? WTF!!
Have you read what selig said-
"it was against the law, so i would have to think about that"
"this is breaking my heart, i don't mind telling you that"

way to show up late for the party(again) selig.

fucking guy needs to grow some balls and hold his own press conference.
allow the reporters to ask the tough questions and be forced to
answer them.
of course, that is a dream. he won't subject himself to that, but of course
he is already speaking about suspending a player who was part of an anonymous survey

There is nothing Selig can do to punish him. Against the law? It was supposed to be anonymous, that would be entrapment.

The union and Selig has allowed this shit to get where it is. Hallowed records are in jeopardy, the game looks like a joke, etc. The only thing that can happen is the Union's back gets broken and Olympic style testing is implemented. Of course I'm dreaming......


So who was/is a worse commissioner, Kenesaw "Mountain" Landis or Bud Selig?

Reading this mess MLB is in, is Selig responsible or accoutable?

MLB DOES NOT want the other 103 names released. Why? Because
that gives the public 103 more reasons to stay away from the park, change the channel on tv, etc...
MBL offices attempt one cover-up after another, followed by another and then some more.
It is a joke, but they made this bed.

The game is "fractured" right now, but MLB Offices have nobody to blame but themselves.
The greedy bastards took the money and ran.
Are they any better than the execs at Enron?

When bush was president, he often talked about "evil-doers".
selig comes to mind these days when i read the phrase "evil-doer".

[killeverything]

Reading this mess MLB is in, is Selig responsible or accoutable?

MLB DOES NOT want the other 103 names released. Why? Because
that gives the public 103 more reasons to stay away from the park, change the channel on tv, etc...
MBL offices attempt one cover-up after another, followed by another and then some more.
It is a joke, but they made this bed.

The game is "fractured" right now, but MLB Offices have nobody to blame but themselves.
The greedy bastards took the money and ran.
Are they any better than the execs at Enron?

When bush was president, he often talked about "evil-doers".
selig comes to mind these days when i read the phrase "evil-doer".

They are all accountable. Selig is the whipping boy for the Union. Keep the Players Union happy, they'll keep playing, money keeps rolling in.

I blame every fucking one of them. Starting with Selig.