Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[Machado]

when a pitcher holds the ball for 11 seconds, it's safe to assume the batter will "ask for time". if granted time by the home plate umpire, the batter will step out.

beckett could have thrown that ball in a million different directions.
he chose to throw at abreu's head area. the worst place possible.

then he followed that up by charging the home plate area and confronting
abreu.

[JakeYonkel]

It's worth mentioning that Sunday's game at Yankee Stadium will be against... Carl Pavano!

Even if you're not a Yankee fan, it's probably going to be worth watching.

I'm going to see if any channel down here is showing the pregame ceremonies before Opening Day on Thursday, I want to see that guy get booed out of the northeast.

Fuck, what am I thinking? What are the chances he actually makes the start Sunday?

[Machado]

It's worth mentioning that Sunday's game at Yankee Stadium will be against... Carl Pavano!

Even if you're not a Yankee fan, it's probably going to be worth watching.

I'm going to see if any channel down here is showing the pregame ceremonies before Opening Day on Thursday, I want to see that guy get booed out of the northeast.

Fuck, what am I thinking? What are the chances he actually makes the start Sunday?

The final question said it best. pavano has more than enough time to come up with an excuse to miss the scheduled start on Sunday.
TBS is airing the game
So is Yes
Unless you have Yes, where could you find pre-game footage? I'm sure TBS & Yes will show his announcement sometime during the telecast.

Burnett is the scheduled starter on Sunday vs pavano.

[killeverything]

It's worth mentioning that Sunday's game at Yankee Stadium will be against... Carl Pavano!

Even if you're not a Yankee fan, it's probably going to be worth watching.

I'm going to see if any channel down here is showing the pregame ceremonies before Opening Day on Thursday, I want to see that guy get booed out of the northeast.

Fuck, what am I thinking? What are the chances he actually makes the start Sunday?

The final question said it best. pavano has more than enough time to come up with an excuse to miss the scheduled start on Sunday.
TBS is airing the game
So is Yes
Unless you have Yes, where could you find pre-game footage? I'm sure TBS & Yes will show his announcement sometime during the telecast.

Burnett is the scheduled starter on Sunday vs pavano.

I am so fucking watching that game.

[Machado]

It's worth mentioning that Sunday's game at Yankee Stadium will be against... Carl Pavano!

Even if you're not a Yankee fan, it's probably going to be worth watching.

I'm going to see if any channel down here is showing the pregame ceremonies before Opening Day on Thursday, I want to see that guy get booed out of the northeast.

Fuck, what am I thinking? What are the chances he actually makes the start Sunday?

The final question said it best. pavano has more than enough time to come up with an excuse to miss the scheduled start on Sunday.
TBS is airing the game
So is Yes
Unless you have Yes, where could you find pre-game footage? I'm sure TBS & Yes will show his announcement sometime during the telecast.

Burnett is the scheduled starter on Sunday vs pavano.

I am so fucking watching that game.

I must decide if I should watch the game via the Yes feed(SD) or watch
the game on TBS, with the HD expierience???

Might have to watch via Yes because Kay and the rest of the announcing team might have some "good" pavano stories to share while he's on the mound.

[killeverything]

I must decide if I should watch the game via the Yes feed(SD) or watch
the game on TBS, with the HD expierience???

Might have to watch via Yes because Kay and the rest of the announcing team might have some "good" pavano stories to share while he's on the mound.

You know that Suzyn Waldman's a man right?

[Machado]

MLB announced that beckett has been suspended for
6 games.
MLB disciplinarian Bob Watson said Beckett was suspended and fined an undisclosed amount for the pitch, in Sunday's game at Anaheim, and for his "aggressive actions after the pitch that incited the bench-clearing incident." His suspension was due to begin Tuesday night, unless he appealed.

[killeverything]

MLB announced that beckett has been suspended for
6 games.
MLB disciplinarian Bob Watson said Beckett was suspended and fined an undisclosed amount for the pitch, in Sunday's game at Anaheim, and for his "aggressive actions after the pitch that incited the bench-clearing incident." His suspension was due to begin Tuesday night, unless he appealed.

As he should be.

Where's Tin and Grey?

[killeverything]

I'm watching opening day at Safeco Field right now. Pretty cool. Ken Griffey Jr returns, I don't care who you are....everyone loves Griffey. Harold Reynolds is gonna throw out the first pitch too. Pretty cool.

[GrayAntiMatter]

Slightly surprised. It is a deserved suspension.


As a side comment, actions that warrant a 5-6 game suspension for an every day player should be at least doubled for starting pitchers. Ultimately, he got a one game suspension, which is light handed.


I'm still disappointed that the umpires working that game aren't at least being reviewed.....

[killeverything]

Slightly surprised. It is a deserved suspension.


As a side comment, actions that warrant a 5-6 game suspension for an every day player should be at least doubled for starting pitchers. Ultimately, he got a one game suspension, which is light handed.


I'm still disappointed that the umpires working that game aren't at least being reviewed.....

Interesting point of discussion. No one has a bigger impact on the game than a starting pitcher. More so than a left-fielder, etc. So do you think while looking at it in that context, that pitcher's should miss more starts? Also it's 6 days, what if the pitcher is going to pitch on three days rest? It could be more warranted I guess. Since starts aren't guaranteed, how do you quantify it?

I never thought of it like that. It's interesting none the less. As for the umps, they never investigate them. Their part of a union too, I believe.

[Machado]

Slightly surprised. It is a deserved suspension.


As a side comment, actions that warrant a 5-6 game suspension for an every day player should be at least doubled for starting pitchers. Ultimately, he got a one game suspension, which is light handed.


I'm still disappointed that the umpires working that game aren't at least being reviewed.....

Interesting point of discussion. No one has a bigger impact on the game than a starting pitcher. More so than a left-fielder, etc. So do you think while looking at it in that context, that pitcher's should miss more starts? Also it's 6 days, what if the pitcher is going to pitch on three days rest? It could be more warranted I guess. Since starts aren't guaranteed, how do you quantify it?

I never thought of it like that. It's interesting none the less. As for the umps, they never investigate them. Their part of a union too, I believe.

If the process was done correctly, this is the type of suspension I was hoping for. He will miss 1 scheduled start. That effects the sox and they will have to alter their pitching staff accordingly.
Since a starter is only pitching once every 5 days, I think a (6) game suspension is very fair.
If the player was only suspended 2 or 3 games, that would have do no good as the player would not have played in those games.

[GrayAntiMatter]

Slightly surprised. It is a deserved suspension.


As a side comment, actions that warrant a 5-6 game suspension for an every day player should be at least doubled for starting pitchers. Ultimately, he got a one game suspension, which is light handed.


I'm still disappointed that the umpires working that game aren't at least being reviewed.....

Interesting point of discussion. No one has a bigger impact on the game than a starting pitcher. More so than a left-fielder, etc. So do you think while looking at it in that context, that pitcher's should miss more starts? Also it's 6 days, what if the pitcher is going to pitch on three days rest? It could be more warranted I guess. Since starts aren't guaranteed, how do you quantify it?

I never thought of it like that. It's interesting none the less. As for the umps, they never investigate them. Their part of a union too, I believe.

Pitching on three days rest really isn't an issue this time of the season.

But you see where I'm going with this. I don't know that I have an exact answer. Take the 'standard' suspension for this act and multiply it by 3 or 4 for a starting pitcher? It seems reasonable that if the punishment is for a third baseman to miss five starts, then why shouldn't it be for a pitcher to miss five starts?

Seeing a starting pitcher end up with what really amounts to a one game suspension bothers me.

And yeah, I don't wtf the issue is with umps, but there is no way that crew should sniff the post season. And while there shouldn't be a direct punishment for this game, it should count as a 'strike' against them and if things like this happen with them again, then something more should happen.

[JakeYonkel]

I'm watching opening day at Safeco Field right now. Pretty cool. Ken Griffey Jr returns, I don't care who you are....everyone loves Griffey. Harold Reynolds is gonna throw out the first pitch too. Pretty cool.

I actually really dislike Griffey. I respect the hell out of him for his accomplishments but I think he's a moron.

[killeverything]

[Pitching on three days rest really isn't an issue this time of the season.

But you see where I'm going with this. I don't know that I have an exact answer. Take the 'standard' suspension for this act and multiply it by 3 or 4 for a starting pitcher? It seems reasonable that if the punishment is for a third baseman to miss five starts, then why shouldn't it be for a pitcher to miss five starts?

Seeing a starting pitcher end up with what really amounts to a one game suspension bothers me.

And yeah, I don't wtf the issue is with umps, but there is no way that crew should sniff the post season. And while there shouldn't be a direct punishment for this game, it should count as a 'strike' against them and if things like this happen with them again, then something more should happen.

I see your position. My point with the "3 days rest" was, what if the team skips the pitcher altogether on his fifth day? Like in Interleague, you want no part of Wakefield in Coors Stadium ( pre-humidifier I believe ). So hypothetically his fifth start would be skipped.

That was my point in how do you quantify it? Making a starter miss 6 starts ( which with no days off would be 6 weeks with no playing. ) That would seriously fuck with a team's rotation. This is interesting food for thought. I still stand by the starting pitcher's impact on the game is greater than anyone else on the team though, so you can't really compare him with other position players. Can you?

[GrayAntiMatter]

I don't think their importance should absolve them of responsibility in issues such as this one....

[killeverything]

I don't think their importance should absolve them of responsibility in issues such as this one....

Understandable, and I agree with you. Beckett may be the number one starter on my team. I think his actions were highly disappointing. That said he should be punished, but how do you do it?

A six game suspension, or a six start suspension? Once again, he should be punished by the league, I'm just not sure how you punish a starting pitcher. I dig the fuck out of this discussion, I think the fines or whatever should be stricter, but how?

Maybe it's all rhetorical, oh well it's still cool getting everyone's opionion on it.


* Sorry for the rambling, or spelling. I'm a little buzzed. I'm going to see Pennywise shortly and I'm drinking. I get back to this later.

[tin00can]

MLB announced that beckett has been suspended for
6 games.
MLB disciplinarian Bob Watson said Beckett was suspended and fined an undisclosed amount for the pitch, in Sunday's game at Anaheim, and for his "aggressive actions after the pitch that incited the bench-clearing incident." His suspension was due to begin Tuesday night, unless he appealed.

As he should be.

Where's Tin and Grey?

I'm surprised and gratified. I was wrong!

However - how about some discipline for Joe fucking West and his crew? Dude is a fucking idiot who shares a good portion of the responsibility for not calming things down. How do you explain somebody getting suspended six games for something that didn't get him ejected from the game?

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

How do you explain somebody getting suspended six games for something that didn't get him ejected from the game?

No different than players in the NFL getting fined/suspended for hits that didn't draw a flag.

I think the leagues deal with officiating issues in the offseason. It kind of makes sense, you don't want your umps/refs second guessing themselves on calls because it might get them in trouble.

[Machado]

How do you explain somebody getting suspended six games for something that didn't get him ejected from the game?

No different than players in the NFL getting fined/suspended for hits that didn't draw a flag.

I think the leagues deal with officiating issues in the offseason. It kind of makes sense, you don't want your umps/refs second guessing themselves on calls because it might get them in trouble.

Kruk last night voice his displeasure with the 6 game suspension. He said there was no reason to suspend beckett.
Especially since he was not ejected from the game.

Do I agree?
Hell no. Kruk is wrong. Beckett incited the situation by throwing the ball "at" abreu. Plain n simple.

[Machado]

Its not six games per se, its two starts. I think that's steep. ONe start should have been enough. In a tight pennant race, this could be decisive.

But being a Yankee fan, fucking punk ass bitch got what he deserved.

How will the 6 games(if not reduced to 5 via the appeal process) equal
2 missed starts?

If Joba or any Yankee pitcher had done the same, you can bet ESPN
would have had many more "round table discussions" on Sportscenter
and Baseball Tonight.

[Machado]

Yankees Injury News:

Xavier Nady might need surgery and miss the season

Xavier Nady has been scheduled for an MRI examination after the Yankees outfielder felt a sharp pain in his right elbow during the seventh inning of Tuesday's 7-2 victory over the Rays.

Nady said the pain came when he fielded Carlos Pena's single to right field and threw to cutoff man Derek Jeter. One batter later, Pat Burrell lofted a game-tying sacrifice fly to right that Nady had to lob in.

"It wasn't very comfortable to throw," Nady said. "Tonight wasn't a good feeling, but hopefully we'll see how it is tomorrow."

Yankees manager Joe Girardi said that Nady was examined by team physicians at Tropicana Field and will have further testing performed on Wednesday morning in Tampa, Fla.

"We'll just keep our fingers crossed," Girardi said.

[JakeYonkel]

Looks like Xavier Nady may be out for a loooooong time, if not the rest of the year.

Big loss for him personally as he's in a walk year, but the Yankees should be OK with Swisher playing full time in RF. Makes their bench weaker, obviously - and makes them a little more vulnerable to lefty pitching, at least until A-Rod returns...

[Machado]

Looks like Xavier Nady may be out for a loooooong time, if not the rest of the year.

Big loss for him personally as he's in a walk year, but the Yankees should be OK with Swisher playing full time in RF. Makes their bench weaker, obviously - and makes them a little more vulnerable to lefty pitching, at least until A-Rod returns...

This is a tough blow.
Despite the HOT streak Swisher is on, every team wants to have depth.
Whomever we bring up from AAA or via the trade, won't be as good of a player. Just not possible.

Swisher should move to RF full time, meaning Melky moves up to the 4th OF.

[Machado]

Boston right-hander Josh Beckett was stunned Tuesday after receiving a six-game suspension from Major League Baseball, which determined he intentionally threw a pitch near the head of the Los Angeles Angels’ Bobby Abreu last week.

Beckett, who immediately appealed the ruling, also was fined an undisclosed amount and cited for “aggressive actions” after the pitch that led to the benches clearing Sunday, according to Bob Watson, vice president for discipline in the commissioner’s office.

“We were pretty shocked,” Beckett said before the Red Sox’s game against the Athletics in Oakland, Calif. “I think the appeal speaks for everything that we feel. I respect the job they have to do, but I don’t agree.”

Any suspension wouldn’t begin until after Beckett’s appeal is decided, likely allowing him to make his next scheduled start on Saturday against Baltimore.



Beckett insists the throw’s direction was unintentional.

“It’s what we’re taught to do,” Beckett said. “We have to kind of protect ourselves in those situations. That ball could have ended up anywhere, and that’s unfortunate where it ended up. That’s why I’m standing dealing with all this stuff.”

The throw infuriated the Angels’ bench and Abreu, who raised his arms and stared at Beckett. The pitcher then moved toward Abreu, causing both benches to clear, although no real fighting went on.

“I don’t really feel like I’ve done anything,” Beckett said. “I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do. Am I supposed to give him a hug? I wasn’t really in a hugging mood right then. I really don’t know what he wanted me to do.”

Boston manager Terry Francona left Anaheim under the impression that the umpiring crew didn’t feel Beckett or the Red Sox had done anything wrong.

“I didn’t expect to hear from the league,” Francona said. “Sounds like they overruled the umpires, and that’s disturbing.”

“I understand where the ball went, and I understand why they (Angels) were yelling,” Francona added. “When guys are yelling at Beckett, you can’t leave the field and just let him stand out there. I did not think he was the aggressor. I’m sure we’ll have our say at some point. It’s obvious he’s going to appeal. I’m disappointed we’re even going through this.”



Scioscia was pleased with the outcome.

“It makes us feel good that Major League Baseball really supported our position, especially since we were somehow portrayed as the aggressors in that,” Scioscia said. “I think upon review, Major League Baseball determined Beckett’s actions prompted this by approaching Bobby Abreu and shaking his finger at him. We didn’t retaliate, and I think Major League Baseball appreciates that.”

[killeverything]

Boston right-hander Josh Beckett was stunned Tuesday after receiving a six-game suspension from Major League Baseball, which determined he intentionally threw a pitch near the head of the Los Angeles Angels’ Bobby Abreu last week.

Beckett, who immediately appealed the ruling, also was fined an undisclosed amount and cited for “aggressive actions” after the pitch that led to the benches clearing Sunday, according to Bob Watson, vice president for discipline in the commissioner’s office.

“We were pretty shocked,” Beckett said before the Red Sox’s game against the Athletics in Oakland, Calif. “I think the appeal speaks for everything that we feel. I respect the job they have to do, but I don’t agree.”

Any suspension wouldn’t begin until after Beckett’s appeal is decided, likely allowing him to make his next scheduled start on Saturday against Baltimore.



Beckett insists the throw’s direction was unintentional.

“It’s what we’re taught to do,” Beckett said. “We have to kind of protect ourselves in those situations. That ball could have ended up anywhere, and that’s unfortunate where it ended up. That’s why I’m standing dealing with all this stuff.”

The throw infuriated the Angels’ bench and Abreu, who raised his arms and stared at Beckett. The pitcher then moved toward Abreu, causing both benches to clear, although no real fighting went on.

“I don’t really feel like I’ve done anything,” Beckett said. “I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do. Am I supposed to give him a hug? I wasn’t really in a hugging mood right then. I really don’t know what he wanted me to do.”

Boston manager Terry Francona left Anaheim under the impression that the umpiring crew didn’t feel Beckett or the Red Sox had done anything wrong.

“I didn’t expect to hear from the league,” Francona said. “Sounds like they overruled the umpires, and that’s disturbing.”

“I understand where the ball went, and I understand why they (Angels) were yelling,” Francona added. “When guys are yelling at Beckett, you can’t leave the field and just let him stand out there. I did not think he was the aggressor. I’m sure we’ll have our say at some point. It’s obvious he’s going to appeal. I’m disappointed we’re even going through this.”



Scioscia was pleased with the outcome.

“It makes us feel good that Major League Baseball really supported our position, especially since we were somehow portrayed as the aggressors in that,” Scioscia said. “I think upon review, Major League Baseball determined Beckett’s actions prompted this by approaching Bobby Abreu and shaking his finger at him. We didn’t retaliate, and I think Major League Baseball appreciates that.”

If the throw was unintentional on Beckett's part, and it could've been. Why did he approach the mound? I understand "spirit of the competition" or whatever, I don't understand the actions. It was just a tad bit aggressive. I agree with the League on this one.

As for Nady, that sucks. No one want's a weak bench. I said it earlier though. The Swisher signing IMO will have a bigger impact than the billion they spent on Sabbathia/Teix/Burnett.

Swisher's pretty under-rated. That was a huge pickup.

[GrayAntiMatter]

How do you explain somebody getting suspended six games for something that didn't get him ejected from the game?

No different than players in the NFL getting fined/suspended for hits that didn't draw a flag.

I think the leagues deal with officiating issues in the offseason. It kind of makes sense, you don't want your umps/refs second guessing themselves on calls because it might get them in trouble.

I want them to know that they're being held accountable....

[Machado]

Yankees just concluded a good road trip.

5-4 after 9 games

I'll take that to begin the season.

Including 2 consecutive late innings wins at the rays.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

Interrupting Yankee chat to give a shout to my boy Ian Kinsler.

6-6, Hit for the cycle, SB, 5 runs scored.

If he stays healthy, he could put together an MVP type season.

[Sheep_Mafia]

Baseball suspensions have never been about actually punishing anyone or forcing a player to take responsibility. Just about public relations. I mean they aren't actually going to cause Beckett to miss a real start, just push it back if they even do that if he appeals. Best union ever.

Nice start by the Yankees-on the road, no Arod, Tex missing some time and Wang off to a terrible start. Swisher gives them depth they haven't had in a while and obviously the pitching is improved. Pettitte is looking about as good as any 4th starter could.