Fuck you, Bert Favor

[thejuggernaut]

I see, so it was the cheerleaders who engineered the drives for AV.

Please tell me you aren't older than 20 years of age. If you are, you really should think about licking some vagina or doing something to grow up and get over the fanboyism.

Favre was a great athletic talent with a penny head who managed to hone it in for ONE season (ironically in a system that Mike Holmgren learned and Joe Montana helped build).

P.S. The Patriots had different systems from 2001-2006. YOU need to brush up on your knowledge before putting things out there.

What I DO know is this - Brady hasn't driven 5 coaches nuts with mind numbingly stupid plays.

Again... is there anybody that you are a fan of, or are you just a miserable fuck who is negative towards everybody?

You have severe problems with reading, don't you ?

[thejuggernaut]

Because I'm a Favre fan and see through the media's overglorification of Brady and Montana, that makes you assume that something must be wrong with me? Wow, get over yourself.

No, I think there's something wrong with you because I gave plenty of praise Brady and Montana and, for whatever reason, you think I am negative about everybody.

Oh, and you act like Favre wasn't overblown by the media. John Madden had to wear adult diapers to contain his ejaculations for Favre. "He's having fun". Remember that standard Madden line in his Favre man-love ?

So I'll ask again - what's wrong with you ?

The first thing you need to know about football... A QB is merely one man on a team. He gets way too much credit when his team wins and way too much blame when his team loses.

People who judge QBs based on Super Bowl wins are morons. By that flawed criteria, Brad Johnson was better than Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, and Dan Fouts COMBINED.

We use Super Bowl wins to judge teams, individual players should be judged by their individual performances.

I see. I am going to ask you two questions now, and I want you to REALLY focus and think about it before you answer.

You said Brady and Montana's success was directly because of the system.

You then said Favre wasn't comfortable in the Jets system, and that he should thrive running the same system he ran in GB.

Furthermore, when you look at what Matt Cassell did last year it becomes blatantly obvious that it is the system and not the QB. Yeah, Brady is good, but he isn't that good.

And that was playing for a team that ran an offense he admittedly didn't feel comfortable in. How much better might he be running the same offense he ran in Green Bay for so many years?

Now, the questions -

1. If Brett Favre is truly greater than Brady, shouldn't he excel in ANY system ? Brady was able to win with different parts every year, and had great success in two vastly different systems, so, shouldn't the great Brett Favre be able to thrive in any system ?

2. Using your Cassel vs Brady argument, Aaron Rodgers put up similar numbers to Favre (his numbers were much closer to Favre's than Cassel's were to Brady's) in his first full year taking snaps. So, by your own logic, we can safely assume that Brett Favre was merely a product of a system, since apparently you can plug anyone into it and expect the same type of numbers, no ?

[Rainbow Bright]

Now what would be hilarious is if Drew Magary's prediction turns out to be legit and The Pack win it all, while Bert and the Vikings flounder. Due to Bert's knack of choking in his old age.

[YYC]

I don't care for Favre and hated Montana during his playing days, but anyone claiming that Brett is a better QB than Montana needs to go watch soccer or ice-skating or something else entirely. Favre might have the stats, but that has much more to do with his longevity and healthiness (which is admirable) than his actual talent or leadership ability. Teams feared Montana in the last two minutes of a big game, whereas with Favre you can almost count on him throwing a boneheaded INT in the same situation. Nobody is scared of Brett anymore, and they haven't been for quite some time.

[KillDevilHill]

Next time they put that old fuck at WR in the wildcat somone needs to SMASH that old fuck, what a BS block by the way. I hate cuts outside the tackles in the CFL even when its legal

[Monsters_of_Rock]

Favre compiled 30 or more TD passes in a single season 8 times. Montana only did it once, and Brady so far has only done it once. Not only is Favre better than those two overrated media darlings, it isn't even close.

[JakeYonkel]

LOL @ a Favre supporter calling another QB a "media darling"

[thejuggernaut]

LOL @ a Favre supporter calling another QB a "media darling"

Notice how he completely avoided my system questions ?

What would you place the over/under as on his age ?

Because I'm a Favre fan and see through the media's overglorification of Brady and Montana, that makes you assume that something must be wrong with me? Wow, get over yourself.

No, I think there's something wrong with you because I gave plenty of praise Brady and Montana and, for whatever reason, you think I am negative about everybody.

Oh, and you act like Favre wasn't overblown by the media. John Madden had to wear adult diapers to contain his ejaculations for Favre. "He's having fun". Remember that standard Madden line in his Favre man-love ?

So I'll ask again - what's wrong with you ?

The first thing you need to know about football... A QB is merely one man on a team. He gets way too much credit when his team wins and way too much blame when his team loses.

People who judge QBs based on Super Bowl wins are morons. By that flawed criteria, Brad Johnson was better than Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, and Dan Fouts COMBINED.

We use Super Bowl wins to judge teams, individual players should be judged by their individual performances.

I see. I am going to ask you two questions now, and I want you to REALLY focus and think about it before you answer.

You said Brady and Montana's success was directly because of the system.

You then said Favre wasn't comfortable in the Jets system, and that he should thrive running the same system he ran in GB.

Furthermore, when you look at what Matt Cassell did last year it becomes blatantly obvious that it is the system and not the QB. Yeah, Brady is good, but he isn't that good.

And that was playing for a team that ran an offense he admittedly didn't feel comfortable in. How much better might he be running the same offense he ran in Green Bay for so many years?

Now, the questions -

1. If Brett Favre is truly greater than Brady, shouldn't he excel in ANY system ? Brady was able to win with different parts every year, and had great success in two vastly different systems, so, shouldn't the great Brett Favre be able to thrive in any system ?

2. Using your Cassel vs Brady argument, Aaron Rodgers put up similar numbers to Favre (his numbers were much closer to Favre's than Cassel's were to Brady's) in his first full year taking snaps. So, by your own logic, we can safely assume that Brett Favre was merely a product of a system, since apparently you can plug anyone into it and expect the same type of numbers, no ?

[thejuggernaut]

Favre compiled 30 or more TD passes in a single season 8 times. Montana only did it once, and Brady so far has only done it once. Not only is Favre better than those two overrated media darlings, it isn't even close.

He's also thrown 20 or more interceptions 7 times (something Brady and Montana have never done) and led the league int INTs thrown twice (again, something Brady and Montana have never done)

[Monsters_of_Rock]

Favre compiled 30 or more TD passes in a single season 8 times. Montana only did it once, and Brady so far has only done it once. Not only is Favre better than those two overrated media darlings, it isn't even close.

He's also thrown 20 or more interceptions 7 times (something Brady and Montana have never done) and led the league int INTs thrown twice (again, something Brady and Montana have never done)

Yeah, funny how more pass attempts leads to more INTs.

I get it, you like QBs who play conservatively and are afraid to take chances. You seem to prefer the low risk/low reward approach to quarterbacking.

[Monsters_of_Rock]

LOL @ a Favre supporter calling another QB a "media darling"

LOL @ anybody who swings from the nuts of Brady and/or Montana crying about how Favre allegedly gets too much love from the media.

[JakeYonkel]

I'm not a Brady fan at all, and am not old enough to have seen Montana in his prime. Try again.

I'm a Manning fan, if anybody.

[JakeYonkel]

What would you place the over/under as on his age ?

The sad thing is he's a grown-ass man, like 40 or something. I thought for sure reading his posts he was a 20 year old kid like poizond13, but nope.

[thejuggernaut]

What would you place the over/under as on his age ?

The sad thing is he's a grown-ass man, like 40 or something. I thought for sure reading his posts he was a 20 year old kid like poizond13, but nope.

That is not sad. That is tragic.

[thejuggernaut]

Favre compiled 30 or more TD passes in a single season 8 times. Montana only did it once, and Brady so far has only done it once. Not only is Favre better than those two overrated media darlings, it isn't even close.

He's also thrown 20 or more interceptions 7 times (something Brady and Montana have never done) and led the league int INTs thrown twice (again, something Brady and Montana have never done)

Yeah, funny how more pass attempts leads to more INTs.

I get it, you like QBs who play conservatively and are afraid to take chances. You seem to prefer the low risk/low reward approach to quarterbacking.

I bet if I laid a big fucking bear trap right in front of you, and put up a big flashing neon sign that said "big fucking bear trap" you'd still walk into it.

You now what else more pass attempts leads to ? More TDs.

But, I am glad you brought up more attempts.

The TD/INT ratios are as follows:

Favre - 1.5

Brady - 2.2

Montana - 1.9

So, Favre throws fewer TDs per interception.


And since we're talking about attempts, their average amount of attempts per TD pass:

Favre - 20

Brady - 18.5

Montana - 19.8

It takes Favre more attempts to get into the end zone.


Percentage of passes thrown resulting in INTs:

Favre - 3.3

Brady - 2.4

Montana - 2.6

Favre throws INTs at a greater rate.

Come on, MOR, what else ya got for us ?

[thejuggernaut]

I get it, you like QBs who play conservatively and are afraid to take chances. You seem to prefer the low risk/low reward approach to quarterbacking.

Wrong.

I like football players moreso than QBs, Guys like Elway, Steve Young, Favre (before the last few years of nonsense).

[Monsters_of_Rock]

[quote="Monsters_of_RockI bet if I laid a big fucking bear trap right in front of you, and put up a big flashing neon sign that said "big fucking bear trap" you'd still walk into it.

You now what else more pass attempts leads to ? More TDs.

But, I am glad you brought up more attempts.

The TD/INT ratios are as follows:

Favre - 1.5

Brady - 2.2

Montana - 1.9

So, Favre throws fewer TDs per interception.


And since we're talking about attempts, their average amount of attempts per TD pass:

Favre - 20

Brady - 18.5

Montana - 19.8

It takes Favre more attempts to get into the end zone.


Percentage of passes thrown resulting in INTs:

Favre - 3.3

Brady - 2.4

Montana - 2.6

Favre throws INTs at a greater rate.

Come on, MOR, what else ya got for us ?

Again, Montana and Brady played in a low risk/low reward system where Favre was more of a gunslinger. The statistics that you shared are a natural result of that. Favre didn't play for the 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys, or 2000's Patriots. He was counted on by the Packers to do a lot more all by himself, which naturally led to some INTs. If you knew anything about football you would understand that.

Put Montana or Brady on the 1992-2007 Packers and they'd have a lot less success than Favre had. Put Favre on the 1980's 49ers or the 2000's Patriots and he'd have just as much success as Montana and Brady had (if not more so). Based on the individual talents of each player, without taking into consideration the teams that they played for, Favre is beyond a shadow of a doubt the best of those three.

Like I said before, there are some QBs that were in Favre's caliber. Those QBs are Elway, Marino, Manning, and Young. Brady and Montana, however, are not in that caliber. They're in Troy Aikman's caliber, good QBs who were lucky enough to play for great teams. Elway, Marino, Manning, Young, and Favre are great QBs who played for good teams. Again, and I can't stress this enough... QBs get way too much credit when their team wins and way too much blame when their team loses.

There are only two players in the history of the NFL to win league MVP three times. They are Peyton Manning and Brett Favre. Montana and Brady are nowhere to be found on that short list, sorry.

[thejuggernaut]

Again, Montana and Brady played in a low risk/low reward system where Favre was more of a gunslinger. The statistics that you shared are a natural result of that. Favre didn't play for the 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys, or 2000's Patriots. He was counted on by the Packers to do a lot more all by himself, which naturally led to some INTs. If you knew anything about football you would understand that.

Put Montana or Brady on the 1992-2007 Packers and they'd have a lot less success than Favre had. Put Favre on the 1980's 49ers or the 2000's Patriots and he'd have just as much success as Montana and Brady had (if not more so). Based on the individual talents of each player, without taking into consideration the teams that they played for, Favre is beyond a shadow of a doubt the best of those three.

Like I said before, there are some QBs that were in Favre's caliber. Those QBs are Elway, Marino, Manning, and Young. Brady and Montana, however, are not in that caliber. They're in Troy Aikman's caliber, good QBs who were lucky enough to play for great teams. Elway, Marino, Manning, Young, and Favre are great QBs who played for good teams. Again, and I can't stress this enough... QBs get way too much credit when their team wins and way too much blame when their team loses.

There are only two players in the history of the NFL to win league MVP three times. They are Peyton Manning and Brett Favre. Montana and Brady are nowhere to be found on that short list, sorry.

Well, just wait a second.

"QBs get way too much credit when their team wins and way too much blame when their team loses"

That's what you said. So Favre winning those MVPs must have had something to do with his team, right ?

The first thing you need to know about football... A QB is merely one man on a team. He gets way too much credit when his team wins and way too much blame when his team loses.

People who judge QBs based on Super Bowl wins are morons. By that flawed criteria, Brad Johnson was better than Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, and Dan Fouts COMBINED.

We use Super Bowl wins to judge teams, individual players should be judged by their individual performances.

So those years he won the MVP, was it because of how many autographs he signed or was it because of his teammates catching his passes ?

Brady has 2 SB MVPs, Montana 3. Favre none. Oh, wait, I know, those guys won the most important MVP trophy because of media love.

But wait. The regular season MVP vote is a vote cast by the media. But Brett Favre doesn't enjoy the media love the other guys do right ?

Brady and Montana weren't constantly making boneheaded rookie QB throws/ints well into their careers. Favre STILL makes boneheaded throws because, well, he's a bonehead. "Throw it away if it's not there" That's the first lesson you're taught in football as a QB.

Oh, but you can't blame Favre for those throws. I forgot - the QB takes too much blame.

However, since the QB gets too much credit when his team wins, I guess you can eliminate his 1 SB trophy. After all, it was a bust of a receiver/kick returner who was the MVP in the biggest game of Favre's life.

P.S. "We use Super Bowl wins to judge teams, individual players should be judged by their individual performances."

No, individual performances are used to market someone likable who can't get the job done.

[thejuggernaut]

Put Montana or Brady on the 1992-2007 Packers and they'd have a lot less success than Favre had. Put Favre on the 1980's 49ers or the 2000's Patriots and he'd have just as much success as Montana and Brady had (if not more so). Based on the individual talents of each player, without taking into consideration the teams that they played for, Favre is beyond a shadow of a doubt the best of those three.

You know who else had talent ? Jeff George. However, like, Favre, he was a dummy. Brett Favre is Jeff George with more mental stability. It takes more than physical talent to be a great QB. Otherwise, Michael Vick is the greatest that ever lived.

As the leader, you need poise and intelligence.

But wait a second, earlier you were screaming about systems.

You said Brady and Montana's success was directly because of the system.

You then said Favre wasn't comfortable in the Jets system, and that he should thrive running the same system he ran in GB.

I'll ask my 2 questions again -

1. If Brett Favre is truly greater than Brady, shouldn't he excel in ANY system ? Brady was able to win with different parts every year, and had great success in two vastly different systems, so, shouldn't the great Brett Favre be able to thrive in any system ?

2. Using your Cassel vs Brady argument, Aaron Rodgers put up similar numbers to Favre (his numbers were much closer to Favre's than Cassel's were to Brady's) in his first full year taking snaps. So, by your own logic, we can safely assume that Brett Favre was merely a product of a system, since apparently you can plug anyone into it and expect the same type of numbers, no ?

[Monsters_of_Rock]

Well, just wait a second.

"QBs get way too much credit when their team wins and way too much blame when their team loses"

That's what you said. So Favre winning those MVPs must have had something to do with his team, right ?

So those years he won the MVP, was it because of how many autographs he signed or was it because of his teammates catching his passes ?

Brady has 2 SB MVPs, Montana 3. Favre none. Oh, wait, I know, those guys won the most important MVP trophy because of media love.

But wait. The regular season MVP vote is a vote cast by the media. But Brett Favre doesn't enjoy the media love the other guys do right ?

Brady and Montana weren't constantly making boneheaded rookie QB throws/ints well into their careers. Favre STILL makes boneheaded throws because, well, he's a bonehead. "Throw it away if it's not there" That's the first lesson you're taught in football as a QB.

Oh, but you can't blame Favre for those throws. I forgot - the QB takes too much blame.

However, since the QB gets too much credit when his team wins, I guess you can eliminate his 1 SB trophy. After all, it was a bust of a receiver/kick returner who was the MVP in the biggest game of Favre's life.

P.S. "We use Super Bowl wins to judge teams, individual players should be judged by their individual performances."

No, individual performances are used to market someone likable who can't get the job done.

Wow, I'm amazed at your ignorance. Let me put it in the simplest terms I can possibly think of, and if you still don't get I'm afraid you're beyond help. League MVP is an INDIVIDUAL award. A Super Bowl trophy is a TEAM award. Brady and Montana played for better teams than Favre played for, while Favre was better as an individual. Brady and Montana did a very good job of steering a ship that was essentially on autopilot, Favre was relied upon to do so much more.

[Monsters_of_Rock]

Put Montana or Brady on the 1992-2007 Packers and they'd have a lot less success than Favre had. Put Favre on the 1980's 49ers or the 2000's Patriots and he'd have just as much success as Montana and Brady had (if not more so). Based on the individual talents of each player, without taking into consideration the teams that they played for, Favre is beyond a shadow of a doubt the best of those three.

You know who else had talent ? Jeff George. However, like, Favre, he was a dummy. Brett Favre is Jeff George with more mental stability. It takes more than physical talent to be a great QB. Otherwise, Michael Vick is the greatest that ever lived.

As the leader, you need poise and intelligence.

But wait a second, earlier you were screaming about systems.

You said Brady and Montana's success was directly because of the system.

You then said Favre wasn't comfortable in the Jets system, and that he should thrive running the same system he ran in GB.

I'll ask my 2 questions again -

1. If Brett Favre is truly greater than Brady, shouldn't he excel in ANY system ? Brady was able to win with different parts every year, and had great success in two vastly different systems, so, shouldn't the great Brett Favre be able to thrive in any system ?

2. Using your Cassel vs Brady argument, Aaron Rodgers put up similar numbers to Favre (his numbers were much closer to Favre's than Cassel's were to Brady's) in his first full year taking snaps. So, by your own logic, we can safely assume that Brett Favre was merely a product of a system, since apparently you can plug anyone into it and expect the same type of numbers, no ?

Jeff George? OMG, now you have gone and comfirmed what I already suspected. You are one of those people who believe that when a team wins it's because they have a great QB and when a team loses it's because they have a shitty QB. This just in... JEFF GEORGE PLAYED FOR SHITTY TEAMS. Put Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or even Brett Favre on the teams Jeff George played for and they probably wouldn't have done much better. Sheesh!!!

As for your question about Brett Favre excelling in ANY system, he did excel in a system he was unfamiliar with last year. People tend to have short memories. He was on pace to win an unprecedented fourth league MVP award with the Jets last year before he got hurt in the 11th game and the rest of his season went down the shithole as a result. But before that injury to his throwing arm there was no question that he was excelling. Being that he was not familiar with the Jets system prior to being traded there, I think that answers your question.

As for comparing Matt Cassel to Aaron Rodgers... you do realize Aaron Rodgers was a 1st round pick, right? You also realize Matt Cassel never even started a game in college, right? Anymore boneheaded questions?

[JakeYonkel]

A true legend would have known to take a break and not hurt his team's playoff chances when they were sitting at 9-2.

Selfish fuck.

[thejuggernaut]

Wow, I'm amazed at your ignorance. Let me put it in the simplest terms I can possibly think of, and if you still don't get I'm afraid you're beyond help. League MVP is an INDIVIDUAL award. A Super Bowl trophy is a TEAM award. Brady and Montana played for better teams than Favre played for, while Favre was better as an individual. Brady and Montana did a very good job of steering a ship that was essentially on autopilot, Favre was relied upon to do so much more.

So who was Favre throwing all those TD passes to ?

The owners ?

The refs ?

What about SB MVP ?

[thejuggernaut]

Put Montana or Brady on the 1992-2007 Packers and they'd have a lot less success than Favre had. Put Favre on the 1980's 49ers or the 2000's Patriots and he'd have just as much success as Montana and Brady had (if not more so). Based on the individual talents of each player, without taking into consideration the teams that they played for, Favre is beyond a shadow of a doubt the best of those three.

You know who else had talent ? Jeff George. However, like, Favre, he was a dummy. Brett Favre is Jeff George with more mental stability. It takes more than physical talent to be a great QB. Otherwise, Michael Vick is the greatest that ever lived.

As the leader, you need poise and intelligence.

But wait a second, earlier you were screaming about systems.

You said Brady and Montana's success was directly because of the system.

You then said Favre wasn't comfortable in the Jets system, and that he should thrive running the same system he ran in GB.

I'll ask my 2 questions again -

1. If Brett Favre is truly greater than Brady, shouldn't he excel in ANY system ? Brady was able to win with different parts every year, and had great success in two vastly different systems, so, shouldn't the great Brett Favre be able to thrive in any system ?

2. Using your Cassel vs Brady argument, Aaron Rodgers put up similar numbers to Favre (his numbers were much closer to Favre's than Cassel's were to Brady's) in his first full year taking snaps. So, by your own logic, we can safely assume that Brett Favre was merely a product of a system, since apparently you can plug anyone into it and expect the same type of numbers, no ?

Jeff George? OMG, now you have gone and comfirmed what I already suspected. You are one of those people who believe that when a team wins it's because they have a great QB and when a team loses it's because they have a shitty QB. This just in... JEFF GEORGE PLAYED FOR SHITTY TEAMS. Put Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or even Brett Favre on the teams Jeff George played for and they probably wouldn't have done much better. Sheesh!!!

As for your question about Brett Favre excelling in ANY system, he did excel in a system he was unfamiliar with last year. People tend to have short memories. He was on pace to win an unprecedented fourth league MVP award with the Jets last year before he got hurt in the 11th game and the rest of his season went down the shithole as a result. But before that injury to his throwing arm there was no question that he was excelling. Being that he was not familiar with the Jets system prior to being traded there, I think that answers your question.

As for comparing Matt Cassel to Aaron Rodgers... you do realize Aaron Rodgers was a 1st round pick, right? You also realize Matt Cassel never even started a game in college, right? Anymore boneheaded questions?

So now all first round picks are guaranteed to be successful ?

LOL @ you still singing the "Favre got hurt" nonsense.

You're like the Mike Tyson fans who just can't wait to line up with a litany of excuses to explain his failures. Anything other than perhaps he's not as great as you were led to believe.

P.S. Jeff George played on shitty teams ? So the 1999 Minnesota Vikings, fresh off being the highest scoring team of all time, was a shitty team ? Funny Randall Cunningham had no problems setting a record with the supposedly shitty team George played for.

P.P.S. Favre was not on the way to winning the MVP. His media jock washers were spunking up their Depends about him doing allright somewhere other than GB and it just happened to be in media central.

As far as this "hurt in the 11th game" nonsense, Favre worshipers seem to forget the guy had thrown 13 picks in 11 games before "getting hurt". There's nothing MVPish about giving the ball away 1.2 times per game.

[thejuggernaut]

A true legend would have known to take a break and not hurt his team's playoff chances when they were sitting at 9-2.

Selfish fuck.

But he's down to earth because he likes to wear jeans and t shirts.

LOL

That might be the single most retarded thing I've ever read.

Last I checked, teams had dress codes and I am pretty sure jeans and t shirts don't fit that code. So Favre, being a non conformist and defying team rules, apparently is down to earth.

It's frightening to think MOR is in his late 30s.

[thejuggernaut]

What would you place the over/under as on his age ?

The sad thing is he's a grown-ass man, like 40 or something. I thought for sure reading his posts he was a 20 year old kid like poizond13, but nope.

The most epically comedic part about this all is that he doesn't seem to realize that when people call a QB a gunslinger, it's a backhanded compliment.

MOR - When Jay Cutler, and later Matthew Stafford, are compared to Brett Favre in regards to their "gunslinger mentality", that's not a compliment; that's a warning.

[Tenacious_Dio]

The most epically comedic part about this all is that he doesn't seem to realize that when people call a QB a gunslinger, it's a backhanded compliment.

Exactly. Down here, we hear the "gunslinger" thing with Jake Delhomme. I always take it to mean a QB who tries to make throws he shouldn't.

[thejuggernaut]

The most epically comedic part about this all is that he doesn't seem to realize that when people call a QB a gunslinger, it's a backhanded compliment.

Exactly. Down here, we hear the "gunslinger" thing with Jake Delhomme. I always take it to mean a QB who tries to make throws he shouldn't.

EXACTLY !!!

He'll make some great throws and win you some games, but he'll lose you just as many as he wins.

[Monsters_of_Rock]

This argument is so silly.

NFL Quarterbacks like NBA players (especially centers) are defined by championships. Period. That's why Marino is not as recognized as Brady/Montana.

Favre has one. Not quite Karl Malone/Jim Kelly, but not close to being Joe Montana/Michael Jordan.

So Brad Johnson is better than Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, and Dan Fouts combined?

No, TEAMS are defined by championships. QBs are defined by passing yards, completion percentage, and touchdown passes.

[Monsters_of_Rock]

The most epically comedic part about this all is that he doesn't seem to realize that when people call a QB a gunslinger, it's a backhanded compliment.

Exactly. Down here, we hear the "gunslinger" thing with Jake Delhomme. I always take it to mean a QB who tries to make throws he shouldn't.

A gunslinger is a QB who isn't afraid to stretch the field, to play the vertical game. The term goes back to the days of the old AFL and Oakland Raider legend Daryle Lamonica.