Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[Machado]

And with regard to Joba, he's going to 4 innings, then five and then six. He won't even start in the first round of the playoffs. He'll be on the roster, maybe come out of the bullpen. After that, just cross your fingers and hope they haven't fucked him up beyond all hope.

There are 2 sides to screwing with Joba.

The giants had a similiar situation with lincecum and since the giants were out of the face that year, didn't they shut him down for Sept? I could br wrong about this, but you tell me.

If the Yankees were not in playoff contention, the easy thing would be to shut him down for the year.
But that's not the case. They are in the race and have more games to play in October.
So he's needed on the mound.
Since Joba has a innings limit, the team really has no choice but to do what they are doing now.
Sure it's not perfect.
Of course it's not ideal and has hurt Joba or prevented him from being consistent.
Once Wang was done for the year, the Yankees needed Joba that much more as a starter.

Once the playoffs being, all hands on deck. If Joba starts, fine. If Joba comes out of the pen, fine. He will do what he's told for the benefit of the team.
Every MLB team has the same rules once the playoffs start.

[killeverything]

The Yankees are not in a race. That is why they are able to do this, without repercussions. That's why they occassionally throw Bruny in the ninth, to see how guys respond to pressure situations.

They are going to use a three man pitching rotation against Detroit (hopefully). After that, Joba will most likeley be the fourth starter, because historically, the Yankees feel game 3 is the most important game, and they have way more confidence in Pettitte at this point.

Joba was always going to be in the rotation. It had nothing to with Wong. The surprise of this year was Hughes who solidified the bullpen and Pettitte, who was signed to an incentive laden contract, pitching better than last year in the second half.

The deal with Joba and Hughes is, and I've stated this a long time back. Joba is better suited for the BP. His 3IP, 17 pitches per inning. His last 5 starts were 23 inn, 21ER, 46BR, 8.21 ERA, 2.00 WHIP. Plus he's lost velocity on his FB. Looking at his pitching charts, back in 2008 when his FB was a plus pitch. He would still go to his slider in a 3-2 count. I just don't think the guy has what it takes to be a #1, which is what he's been billed as. Talented? Yes. Ace of the staff? No. Joba should be groomed to replace Rivera when he retires.

Hughes OTOH, I think should be moved back to the rotation next season. That guy's stuff, assuming he matures as a bonafide starter. Could make him an ace. I repeated this numerous times. If lives up to his potential, he would be a viable Cy candidate yearly.

Which leads me to the oncoming Playoffs discussion. You want nothing to do with Joba on the mound in a short series. The pitching matchups between Detroit and the MFY could be huge. Verlander's starts against NY were dominant. Yet Detroit has an offense that goes 4-22 with RISP. A week ass BP leading up to Rodney. So in a short series NY is going to have to throw out the very best. Verlander and Jackson have pitched 27 innings between them combined, allowing only 5 runs between them against the MFY this year.

So it really depends on who shows up at the front of NY's rotation. I think CC get's attacked too hard for his Playoff record. He's had 5 Post-Season starts. Five. Talk about a small sample size, but when your rode 240IP sometimes it breaks you down. Sabbathia is rode harder than a whore with a clean bill of health. Plus which Burnett is going to show up? I wouldn't be ovely confident that NY will just roll over Detroit. They should. They are the best team in baseball this year, but the numbers with Detroit's aces are pretty telling.

We are gonna be in for some monster fucking Playoffs! The Mighty Red Sox's pitching both starting and relief are top notch. Anaheim keeps getting better, except now they've added Kazmir...who's as big as a Red Sox killer as Longoria and Matsui....or Ramiro Mendoza was. Colorado is toughening up and will give Philly a headache. Manny and Torre......I could go on and on.

This is going to kickass. Cheers everyone.

Oh yeah, let's go Mighty Red Sox!

[Machado]

The Yankees are not in a race. That is why they are able to do this, without repercussions. That's why they occassionally throw Bruny in the ninth, to see how guys respond to pressure situations.

They are going to use a three man pitching rotation against Detroit (hopefully). After that, Joba will most likeley be the fourth starter, because historically, the Yankees feel game 3 is the most important game, and they have way more confidence in Pettitte at this point.

Joba was always going to be in the rotation. It had nothing to with Wong. The surprise of this year was Hughes who solidified the bullpen and Pettitte, who was signed to an incentive laden contract, pitching better than last year in the second half.

The deal with Joba and Hughes is, and I've stated this a long time back. Joba is better suited for the BP. His 3IP, 17 pitches per inning. His last 5 starts were 23 inn, 21ER, 46BR, 8.21 ERA, 2.00 WHIP. Plus he's lost velocity on his FB. Looking at his pitching charts, back in 2008 when his FB was a plus pitch. He would still go to his slider in a 3-2 count. I just don't think the guy has what it takes to be a #1, which is what he's been billed as. Talented? Yes. Ace of the staff? No. Joba should be groomed to replace Rivera when he retires.

Hughes OTOH, I think should be moved back to the rotation next season. That guy's stuff, assuming he matures as a bonafide starter. Could make him an ace. I repeated this numerous times. If lives up to his potential, he would be a viable Cy candidate yearly.

Which leads me to the oncoming Playoffs discussion. You want nothing to do with Joba on the mound in a short series. The pitching matchups between Detroit and the MFY could be huge. Verlander's starts against NY were dominant. Yet Detroit has an offense that goes 4-22 with RISP. A week ass BP leading up to Rodney. So in a short series NY is going to have to throw out the very best. Verlander and Jackson have pitched 27 innings between them combined, allowing only 5 runs between them against the MFY this year.

So it really depends on who shows up at the front of NY's rotation. I think CC get's attacked too hard for his Playoff record. He's had 5 Post-Season starts. Five. Talk about a small sample size, but when your rode 240IP sometimes it breaks you down. Sabbathia is rode harder than a whore with a clean bill of health. Plus which Burnett is going to show up? I wouldn't be ovely confident that NY will just roll over Detroit. They should. They are the best team in baseball this year, but the numbers with Detroit's aces are pretty telling.

We are gonna be in for some monster fucking Playoffs! The Mighty Red Sox's pitching both starting and relief are top notch. Anaheim keeps getting better, except now they've added Kazmir...who's as big as a Red Sox killer as Longoria and Matsui....or Ramiro Mendoza was. Colorado is toughening up and will give Philly a headache. Manny and Torre......I could go on and on.

This is going to kickass. Cheers everyone.

Oh yeah, let's go Mighty Red Sox!

Saw the Yankees game last night on Yes. For a couple innings the broadcasters were giving pro's/con's regarding whether the Yankees should choose a short series or longer series vs the tigers.

I have to say, facing verlander and jackson won't be easy. And that kid porcello is very good as well.
If Joba goes to the pen in round 1, that would make for a mighty fine Yankees BP. Talk about shortening the game and giving your team a huge advantage.
At the same time, what if C.C. or Andy or A.J. fail to give the team a lead, and hand the ball over to Joba in the 7th or Hughes in the 8th or Mo in the 9th?
Nothing is certain and the fact that Round 1 continues to be a 5 game series a joke. When will the MLB change that to a 7 game series.

[killeverything]

I am in total agreement with your Hughes/Joba assessment. My opinion is that Joba is stupid as well, and doesn't have the wiles to "pitch" a nine inning game like Hughes. He's more of an attack/power guy who's dominant by being emotional. Joba is Tyson, Hughes is Ali.

I think JOba would have returned to the pen if Hughes didn't become what he has this year. I think Hughes and Joba will be in the starting rotation next year, and finally, they will make Joba a reliever.

I am feeling confidence in the Yankees for the first time in years. I think Sabathia will do well in the playoffs and I think Texiera will too.

The problem with Anaheim is their bullpen. Losing K-Rod was a mistake, they still don't have a go to guy, and I think the Yankees and Sox will beat them because of that.

Yeah, dude. The MFY is fucking wicked scary. Since 2002, I haven't believed that they could win the WS. I think they can this year.

We'll see what the FO does with Hughes and Joba. Hughes' problem was his conditioning. Joba's is well.....he's just fucking dumb. I don't know if it's just a fucking retard in general, or if it's something he can learn. They call it "Pitching IQ".

Schilling said about Buchholz "he's incredibly talented, but dumb when it comes to actual pitching smarts. If he learns it look out". Remember Schilling didn't until Clemens pulled him aside and gave him a talking to as a young player. So we'll see. Hughes could be another Guidry '78 IMO.

As for K-Rod. I don't Anaheim had any choice really. The money he commaned they weren't going to pay, just like Teix. It's funny because they have the ability too. They just won't. I still laugh at Fuentes as the closer.

It all changes in October though.

[JakeYonkel]

Anybody catch the tussle between the Yanks and Jays last night?

Mark Melancon (wild as hell) hit Aaron Hill with a pitch in the top of the 8th in a blowout game. OK, whatever.

Bottom of the 8th, Jesse Carlson (scrub lefty reliever for Toronto) throws behind Jorge Posada at waist-level. They exchange words, move along.

A few batters later Brett Gardner doubles to right and as Posada is scoring, Carlson (who is not even backing up the play as he should be - he's standing on the first base side of the plate, directly in the path of the runner scoring) gets a slight elbow thrown his way by Posada.

Home plate ump immediately ejects Posada yet Carlson still starts yelling at him. Posada's a hothead so naturally can't let it go and the benches clear. Posada sure to get suspended for throwing an elbow.

My take is that the Yankees have too much to play for to get caught up fighting with a team that's had October golf planned since June. Jorge should not have bothered with the scrubs, but Carlson absolutely positioned himself to be able to make contact or at least talk shit after the play and should also get suspended (though I'm sure he won't).

In the long run it probably won't make a difference, but having a brawl where Jeter, Teixeira, Sabathia etc. are in the middle of it is NOT a great idea with the playoffs around the corner.

[JakeYonkel]

More to worry about: Pettitte is scratched today because of dead arm. However, they have him penciled in for Monday. That would be decimating. It already is for my fanatasy team, and its the second round of the god damn playoffs.


In other news, Despite Tenacious Dio's adamant protest, Tom Verducci came out with his players of the decades today:

C: Jorge Posada
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Jeff Kent
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Manny Ramirez
CF: Carlos Beltran
RF: Vladimir Guerrero
DH: David Ortiz
LHP: Randy Johnson
RHP: Pedro Martinez
RP: Mariano Rivera

Player of the Decade: Albert Pujols


Is there a better LHP than Johnson?

Interesting. I can't really argue with any of the position players. Randy lost effectiveness around 05-06 (coincidentally, around the time he joined the Yankees). Really, Pedro hasn't been terrific since 02-03. There has to be guys with a better body of work across the decade than those two.

[Machado]

Anybody catch the tussle between the Yanks and Jays last night?

Mark Melancon (wild as hell) hit Aaron Hill with a pitch in the top of the 8th in a blowout game. OK, whatever.

Bottom of the 8th, Jesse Carlson (scrub lefty reliever for Toronto) throws behind Jorge Posada at waist-level. They exchange words, move along.

A few batters later Brett Gardner doubles to right and as Posada is scoring, Carlson (who is not even backing up the play as he should be - he's standing on the first base side of the plate, directly in the path of the runner scoring) gets a slight elbow thrown his way by Posada.

Home plate ump immediately ejects Posada yet Carlson still starts yelling at him. Posada's a hothead so naturally can't let it go and the benches clear. Posada sure to get suspended for throwing an elbow.

My take is that the Yankees have too much to play for to get caught up fighting with a team that's had October golf planned since June. Jorge should not have bothered with the scrubs, but Carlson absolutely positioned himself to be able to make contact or at least talk shit after the play and should also get suspended (though I'm sure he won't).

In the long run it probably won't make a difference, but having a brawl where Jeter, Teixeira, Sabathia etc. are in the middle of it is NOT a great idea with the playoffs around the corner.

Posada is a hot head. Most of the time its a good thing. The thing is, these guys are all pussies, they don't really hurt each other. They have a greater allegiance to the player's union than their own team. I think that's why all the punches landed on Girardi's face.

This was actually a brawl. Not a shouting match with minor shoving.
Anybody see the "HUGE WELT" carlson suffered on his head? Was a thing of beauty. Someone must have punched him a few times at the bottom of the pile.
The jays were upset because they have been hit approx 15 times in the last month. So I understand their position.
At the same time, the Yankees have to stand up for themselves and not be perceived as push-overs because they have games to play in Oct.

What was the jays pitcher doing standing near home? He was looking for trouble and found some. He should have been standing behind home, near the backstop. Instead he literally stood in Posada's general direction as he was making his way across home, towards the dugout.

I'm sure Bob Watson will suspend Posada and that's fine. He can use a few days off here and there.
As long as nobody on the Yankees was injured in the brawl, something like this will most likely make the team that much tighter/closer.

[Machado]

Oh Christ, a welt? Put hockey skates on these motherfuckers and show them what a real fight is.

In retrospect, Girardi should have pinch run for Posada. he had a bad defensive night and he runs slower than Granda Moses. Plus, he had blood in his eyes.

I must admit, baseball players don't fight nearly as well as hockey players.
A welt like this on the jays pitcher is a mighty feat in a baseball brawl.

The fucker on the jays was asking for a piece of Posada and he got a piece of someone at the bottom of the pile.

Posada is passionate and a hot-head, but he was only crossing home and jogging to the dugout when carlson stood in his way(on purpose if you ask me).

As long as no Yankee player pulled a **bill lee**, the brawl was a success

[JakeYonkel]

I got my hands on Machado's ballot for players of the decade... thought you guys might be interested:

C: Jorge Posada
1B: Jason Giambi
2B: Robinson Cano
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Melky Cabrera
CF: Bernie Williams
RF: Gary Sheffield
DH: Hideki Matsui

RHP: Mike Mussina
LHP: Andy Pettitte

Shh, don't tell anyone.

[Machado]

I got my hands on Machado's ballot for players of the decade... thought you guys might be interested:

C: Jorge Posada
1B: Jason Giambi
2B: Robinson Cano
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Melky Cabrera
CF: Bernie Williams
RF: Gary Sheffield
DH: Hideki Matsui

RHP: Mike Mussina
LHP: Andy Pettitte

Shh, don't tell anyone.

Hilarious!!

Just so you know, I would have replaced Melky w/Shane Spencer

[killeverything]

More to worry about: Pettitte is scratched today because of dead arm. However, they have him penciled in for Monday. That would be decimating. It already is for my fanatasy team, and its the second round of the god damn playoffs.


In other news, Despite Tenacious Dio's adamant protest, Tom Verducci came out with his players of the decades today:

C: Jorge Posada
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Jeff Kent
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Manny Ramirez
CF: Carlos Beltran
RF: Vladimir Guerrero
DH: David Ortiz
LHP: Randy Johnson
RHP: Pedro Martinez
RP: Mariano Rivera

Player of the Decade: Albert Pujols


Is there a better LHP than Johnson?

Interesting. I can't really argue with any of the position players. Randy lost effectiveness around 05-06 (coincidentally, around the time he joined the Yankees). Really, Pedro hasn't been terrific since 02-03. There has to be guys with a better body of work across the decade than those two.

What a horrible list. It's like it was written by Rolling Stone.

Randy Johnson is argueabley the greatest pitcher of all time, but for the whole decade? Negative. Although he did reach 300 wins in it.

Pedro is the man, but was like Sandy Koufax for continued dominance.

I disagee with Jeff Kent at 2B. It seems like the "Players Of The Decade" list was written in 2003, and published now. Completely agree with everything stated about Pujols though.

[JakeYonkel]

Interesting discussion then. Who's your 2B of the decade? Kent played from 00-08 so he basically covered the whole period. Biggio was in the outfield for half the time he played.

I don't know that Brian Roberts or Chase Utley played enough to qualify. Thoughts?

[killeverything]

I wouldn't know who to put at 2B, that's why I left it blank, but the decade is still young right?

Kent is going to take some flak for the steroid association. Plus ( at least with me ), I value defense over a big bat with middle IF. So as it stands right now, Kent would get it but solely on his offensive numbers....and their asterisks.

Which leads me to Shortstop. Offensively? Jeter in present time. Although ( and I realize this could be considered arbitrary ) I would take Arod at SS, over anyone.....and his asterisks.

It's a fun discussion regardless.

[Machado]

Word is Posada and the blue jays hurler with the welt
each received 4 game suspensions.

No info regarding fines or appeals.

[killeverything]

Word is Posada and the blue jays hurler with the welt
each received 4 game suspensions.

No info regarding fines or appeals.

Seems light. Plus it's before the appeals to Yankee Bob. The Blue Jays player won't miss a start, and Posada could use the time to rest up for the upcoming Playoffs.

Not a bad deal if you ask me.

[JakeYonkel]

Well the Toronto guy is a reliever. But he's a scrub anyway.

Apparently they both agreed on 3 game suspensions under the condition that there was no appeal and they'd be served immediately. So that'll be that.

[killeverything]

Posada did hurt his neck in the fight. He's out tonight. This big eared fighting motherfucker just screwed up my fantasy team. Christ, hurt yourself in the real playoffs, not mine.

Yep. The real Playoffs. j/k

I just thought of something. The Mighty Red Sox roll into MFY Stadium 25-27, with the way the Rangers have shat the bed on their homestands....both teams could collectively clinch their Playoff berths the same night. How fucking funny would that be? A champagne party in each dugout.

Stranger things have happened.

[tin00can]

Nice to see that apparently MLB has a rule that a Red Sock cannot strike out to end the game. What a fucking joke that was, Nick Green got five strikes.

http://i31.tinypic.com/25tdngl.jpg (link because pasting the photo here stretches the screen)

That said, the Angels blew the game long before that by booting easy DP balls and leaving an assload of runners on base. However, I'm tired of umps being bitches in Boston and giving them calls. It was way too apparent last night, and yet again Selig won't do a thing.

[JakeYonkel]

Yikes.

I know Anaheim can't win in Boston the same way the Yankees can't win in Anaheim. Fuentes stinks though. People were all over K-Rod's balls last year for saving so many games. Fuentes is leading the league in saves this year. All that tells you is that the save is a meaningless stat and a product of opportunity, since Fuentes has like a 4.5 ERA.

Anyway, yeah it looks like that was blown horribly, tin. I wasn't watching that game and frankly I'm not really even sure who to root for. I guess as long as the Yankees win and one of them loses, it's good. But at this point I think Texas is done so it's better to hold off for home field advantage, in which case... uhh...

Go Red Sox????????

[killeverything]

Nice to see that apparently MLB has a rule that a Red Sock cannot strike out to end the game. What a fucking joke that was, Nick Green got five strikes.

http://i31.tinypic.com/25tdngl.jpg (link because pasting the photo here stretches the screen)

That said, the Angels blew the game long before that by booting easy DP balls and leaving an assload of runners on base. However, I'm tired of umps being bitches in Boston and giving them calls. It was way too apparent last night, and yet again Selig won't do a thing.

Those were horrible calls. He struck out twice from what I saw. That ump sucked all game though.

Something needs to be done. I think it's getting worse too. I've been posting Pitch F/X all year with Joba especially. I'm not too keen on Gameday's accuracy. Green got help from the ump.

Who would of thought that Boston's three shortstops would win the game?

[Machado]

Nice to see that apparently MLB has a rule that a Red Sock cannot strike out to end the game. What a fucking joke that was, Nick Green got five strikes.

http://i31.tinypic.com/25tdngl.jpg (link because pasting the photo here stretches the screen)

That said, the Angels blew the game long before that by booting easy DP balls and leaving an assload of runners on base. However, I'm tired of umps being bitches in Boston and giving them calls. It was way too apparent last night, and yet again Selig won't do a thing.

Those were horrible calls. He struck out twice from what I saw. That ump sucked all game though.

Something needs to be done. I think it's getting worse too. I've been posting Pitch F/X all year with Joba especially. I'm not too keen on Gameday's accuracy. Green got help from the ump.

Who would of thought that Boston's three shortstops would win the game?

i can live with the check swing call. one of the hardest calls for an ump.
the called ball 4 was a joke. that was a strike.
down the middle
on the knees.

WTF!!!

if the rangers can not beat the a's at home, they do not deserve to play in october.
talk about choking.

[killeverything]

Nice to see that apparently MLB has a rule that a Red Sock cannot strike out to end the game. What a fucking joke that was, Nick Green got five strikes.

http://i31.tinypic.com/25tdngl.jpg (link because pasting the photo here stretches the screen)

That said, the Angels blew the game long before that by booting easy DP balls and leaving an assload of runners on base. However, I'm tired of umps being bitches in Boston and giving them calls. It was way too apparent last night, and yet again Selig won't do a thing.

Those were horrible calls. He struck out twice from what I saw. That ump sucked all game though.

Something needs to be done. I think it's getting worse too. I've been posting Pitch F/X all year with Joba especially. I'm not too keen on Gameday's accuracy. Green got help from the ump.

Who would of thought that Boston's three shortstops would win the game?

i can live with the check swing call. one of the hardest calls for an ump.
the called ball 4 was a joke. that was a strike.
down the middle
on the knees.

WTF!!!

if the rangers can not beat the a's at home, they do not deserve to play in october.
talk about choking.

Fuentes sucks, but Nick Green is worse. How that guy is nailing Heidi Watney is beyond me. Fuentes would of already walked him, considering his first two strikes were balls out of the zone he swung at.

MLB is notoriously pro-Boston or MFY. Case in point Posada's 3-4 game suspension from Yankee Bob. If it was Youkilis it would of been the rest of the season, and there's this quote. "Especially here and some other places, they seem timid to make calls. I've heard it from other guys that come in here and say that. That's either because it's a mistake, or they're scared." -- Brian Fuentes, after twice failing to get a third strike called on pinch-hitter Nick Green

[SkyDog112046]

With the regular season winding down who do you think will be the MVPs and Cy Young winners?

I think in the it should be:

In the AL
MVP - Mauer
First in AVG & OPS, and should finish with 30 HRs and 100 RBIs. And he's a catcher. He is the main reason his team wasn't out of contention by the All-star break. Should be unanimous, but some schmuck writer will vote for his homeboy.

Cy Young - Greinke
Lowest ERA by far, lowest WHIP, 5-1 K-BB ratio, 1st in SHO, 2nd in Ks, 2nd in CG, 3rd in IP. He might get penalized for wins, but he plays for a shitty team and gets no run support.


In the NL:
MVP - Pujols
They should have just engraved his name on the trophy on opening day.

Cy Young - Lincecum
Carpenter & Wainright are still in the mix too. I think it's too close to call right now and one of those guys could get it if Lincecum isn't completely healthy and struggles down the stretch.

[Machado]

With the regular season winding down who do you think will be the MVPs and Cy Young winners?

I think in the it should be:

In the AL
MVP - Mauer
First in AVG & OPS, and should finish with 30 HRs and 100 RBIs. And he's a catcher. He is the main reason his team wasn't out of contention by the All-star break. Should be unanimous, but some schmuck writer will vote for his homeboy.

Cy Young - Greinke
Lowest ERA by far, lowest WHIP, 5-1 K-BB ratio, 1st in SHO, 2nd in Ks, 2nd in CG, 3rd in IP. He might get penalized for wins, but he plays for a shitty team and gets no run support.


In the NL:
MVP - Pujols
They should have just engraved his name on the trophy on opening day.

Cy Young - Lincecum
Carpenter & Wainright are still in the mix too. I think it's too close to call right now and one of those guys could get it if Lincecum isn't completely healthy and struggles down the stretch.

This is a good debate.
I have a problem with the kid from the royals because he only has 14 wins. If his record was not 14-8, he might have a case. Regardless of his losing team, 14 wins is not very impressive and 8 losses is a lot for a cy young winner.
If the kid was let's says, 16-6 or 16-4, then he might be a the winner.

Same goes for mauer. I know he catches and his average and stats, but his team is going nowhere.

[SkyDog112046]

The Twins aren't completely out of it yet. If they sweep the slumping Tigers this weekend they are only 1 game back.

I don't think that to be an MVP a player has to be on a playoff team if his stats are far and away the best and his team is still in contention in September.

As for CY Young, you can't penalize a guy for pitching for a shitty team that is out of contention because he only factors into 20% of the games. Greinke could play for any one of 25 other teams and be a 20 game winner. Hopefully he gets the hell out of KC when his contracts nears expiration.

[Machado]

The Twins aren't completely out of it yet. If they sweep the slumping Tigers this weekend they are only 1 game back.

I don't think that to be an MVP a player has to be on a playoff team if his stats are far and away the best and his team is still in contention in September.

As for CY Young, you can't penalize a guy for pitching for a shitty team that is out of contention because he only factors into 20% of the games. Greinke could play for any one of 25 other teams and be a 20 game winner. Hopefully he gets the hell out of KC when his contracts nears expiration.

So it's a double-standard. Don't penalize the kid for being on a crap team, but penalize a player for being on a contending team?
I'm just saying.
No matter what team he's on, 14 wins to me is NOT cy young worthy-unless he was 14-2 or 14-3 minimum

[JakeYonkel]

No matter what team he's on, 14 wins to me is NOT cy young worthy-unless he was 14-2 or 14-3 minimum

Do you know anyhing about bseball?

Why are you penalizing a guy for having a shitty bullpen and an offense that can't score runs?


Of his no-decisions:
May 21, 6 IP 2 R
May 31, 7 IP 3 R
Jun 11, 7.1 IP 3 R
Jul 18, 7 IP 1 R
Jul 29, 6 IP 2 R
Aug 14 7 IP 0 R
Sep 5 8 IP 0 R
Sep 11 7 IP 1 R

I count 8 games that he put his team into a position to win. Look at the 3 starts from August until September. Those aren't winnable games? You're going to count those against him because the Royals' offense is a joke???

Fuck, he had 2 losses that he went at least 7 IP and gave up 1 run. You're going to kill him for that?

You're looking at a guy, that if he pitched for a team with an offense, could EASILY have 22 wins at this point if not more.

Anybody that votes for Sabathia, Beckett, King Felix over this guy should have their voting privileges revoked.

[Machado]

No matter what team he's on, 14 wins to me is NOT cy young worthy-unless he was 14-2 or 14-3 minimum

Do you know anyhing about bseball?

Why are you penalizing a guy for having a shitty bullpen and an offense that can't score runs?


Of his no-decisions:
May 21, 6 IP 2 R
May 31, 7 IP 3 R
Jun 11, 7.1 IP 3 R
Jul 18, 7 IP 1 R
Jul 29, 6 IP 2 R
Aug 14 7 IP 0 R
Sep 5 8 IP 0 R
Sep 11 7 IP 1 R

I count 8 games that he put his team into a position to win. Look at the 3 starts from August until September. Those aren't winnable games? You're going to count those against him because the Royals' offense is a joke???

Fuck, he had 2 losses that he went at least 7 IP and gave up 1 run. You're going to kill him for that?

You're looking at a guy, that if he pitched for a team with an offense, could EASILY have 22 wins at this point if not more.

Anybody that votes for Sabathia, Beckett, King Felix over this guy should have their voting privileges revoked.

Take it easy. You have your opinion, I have mine and the voters will have their opinion.

Who cares how many games his pen lost for him or who cares about any other "what ifs"

Stats are what people care about.
I'm just saying 14 wins to me(not league leading) is probably not enough
to get the Cy Young

[thejuggernaut]

With the regular season winding down who do you think will be the MVPs and Cy Young winners?

I think in the it should be:

In the AL
MVP - Mauer
First in AVG & OPS, and should finish with 30 HRs and 100 RBIs. And he's a catcher. He is the main reason his team wasn't out of contention by the All-star break. Should be unanimous, but some schmuck writer will vote for his homeboy.

Cy Young - Greinke
Lowest ERA by far, lowest WHIP, 5-1 K-BB ratio, 1st in SHO, 2nd in Ks, 2nd in CG, 3rd in IP. He might get penalized for wins, but he plays for a shitty team and gets no run support.


In the NL:
MVP - Pujols
They should have just engraved his name on the trophy on opening day.

Cy Young - Lincecum
Carpenter & Wainright are still in the mix too. I think it's too close to call right now and one of those guys could get it if Lincecum isn't completely healthy and struggles down the stretch.

Look at Lickety, avoiding Red Sox mentioning, hoping people won't know who he is.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

I swear I wish my shits came out with their logo on them.

You'd just wind up on the DL with a pulled anus.