Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[killeverything]

Is "suck" more curable than "back"? We'll see.

Ask JD Drew.

[Machado]

Well Randy Winn's kinda got that 'suck' thing goin on, so...

Boras now has stated that the Yankees never once made an offer
to Damon.
Cashman replied that sometime in Dec, Boras made it very clear that his client would not settle for any offer below $13 million for 2 yrs.

Well there ya go.
Boras made a play and the Yankees had no choice but to listen.

I would love to have Damon on the team for another year.
The price was not right.
Money was the only difference.
Cashman has said for weeks the Yankees had a budget and that basically Damon was asking far more than they could afford.
What more can we do?
It's a business. I don't feel bad for Damon because the guy is set for life and has made more money than I can ever have in my own personal account.

[JakeYonkel]

Say what you want about Cashman, but make this two straight years where he's read the market EXACTLY right.

Abreu last year would have gotten an arbitration raise on his $16M salary. Winds up signing a one year deal for $5M.

Matsui makes $13M last year, signs for less than half that this year.

Damon makes $13M last year, Boras wants another 2 year/$26M deal. Yankees call the bluff. He'll wind up with a one year deal in that same $5M ballpark.

For all the credit Boras gets, if you think about it he's really only great at getting money for the big guns. I mean, who couldn't have gotten Teixeira $180M? If you're over the hill though he's your worst enemy.

[Facedown]

Cashman has said for weeks the Yankees had a budget and that basically Damon was asking far more than they could afford.

Maybe that's not his exact words, but that made me laugh.

[Machado]

Say what you want about Cashman, but make this two straight years where he's read the market EXACTLY right.

Abreu last year would have gotten an arbitration raise on his $16M salary. Winds up signing a one year deal for $5M.

Matsui makes $13M last year, signs for less than half that this year.

Damon makes $13M last year, Boras wants another 2 year/$26M deal. Yankees call the bluff. He'll wind up with a one year deal in that same $5M ballpark.

For all the credit Boras gets, if you think about it he's really only great at getting money for the big guns. I mean, who couldn't have gotten Teixeira $180M? If you're over the hill though he's your worst enemy.

Cashman seems to be batting 1,000 of late
I didn't have time earlier to include the Abreu situation, but you are correct about how well Cash has read the market.


Ken Rosenthal wrote this about the Yankees/Damon divorce:
Boras, who told The New York Times that the Yankees never even made Damon an offer, needed to shop his client to other teams more aggressively.

There is simply no excuse for a player of this quality to be in such a compromised position.

Damon, 36, had a higher adjusted OPS last season than Bobby Abreu — a career-high adjusted OPS, in fact. Abreu, who is five months younger than Damon, re-signed with the Angels for $19 million over two years without even becoming a free agent. Damon is scrounging for a job.

Raul Ibanez, 37, signed a three-year, $31.5 million free-agent contract with the Phillies in an even worse economy last off-season.

Mike Cameron, 37, signed a two-year, $15.5 million free-agent contract with the Red Sox this off-season.

Where’s Johnny?

True, Damon is a below-average defender, but Ibanez hardly was considered Gold Glove material. Neither was Adam Dunn, who signed a two-year, $20 million free-agent contract with the Nationals last off-season, nor Pat Burrell, who signed a two-year, $16 million deal with the Rays.

[killeverything]

Say what you want about Cashman, but make this two straight years where he's read the market EXACTLY right.

Abreu last year would have gotten an arbitration raise on his $16M salary. Winds up signing a one year deal for $5M.

Matsui makes $13M last year, signs for less than half that this year.

Damon makes $13M last year, Boras wants another 2 year/$26M deal. Yankees call the bluff. He'll wind up with a one year deal in that same $5M ballpark.

For all the credit Boras gets, if you think about it he's really only great at getting money for the big guns. I mean, who couldn't have gotten Teixeira $180M? If you're over the hill though he's your worst enemy.

Cashman seems to be batting 1,000 of late
I didn't have time earlier to include the Abreu situation, but you are correct about how well Cash has read the market.


Ken Rosenthal wrote this about the Yankees/Damon divorce:
Boras, who told The New York Times that the Yankees never even made Damon an offer, needed to shop his client to other teams more aggressively.

There is simply no excuse for a player of this quality to be in such a compromised position.

Damon, 36, had a higher adjusted OPS last season than Bobby Abreu — a career-high adjusted OPS, in fact. Abreu, who is five months younger than Damon, re-signed with the Angels for $19 million over two years without even becoming a free agent. Damon is scrounging for a job.

Raul Ibanez, 37, signed a three-year, $31.5 million free-agent contract with the Phillies in an even worse economy last off-season.

Mike Cameron, 37, signed a two-year, $15.5 million free-agent contract with the Red Sox this off-season.

Where’s Johnny?

True, Damon is a below-average defender, but Ibanez hardly was considered Gold Glove material. Neither was Adam Dunn, who signed a two-year, $20 million free-agent contract with the Nationals last off-season, nor Pat Burrell, who signed a two-year, $16 million deal with the Rays.

I don't think it's all that impressive, because he wanted to bring Traitor back. The Trust Fund kids said "no", they committed half a billion dollars on the team last year. I don't care how much money they have, at that rate it will run out.

I'd like to see what Cashman could do without the $ backing. Remember he fought tooth and nail with Steinbrenner to not sign Ortiz when Minnesota DFA him.

Although I think he's smart for not resigning Matsui, and absolutely refusing to trade Phil Hughes. I'm not sure Curtis Granderson was 100% worth giving up Austin Jackson. I've read more than just MLBN's prediction on the kind of player he could become, and it sounds "elite". Maybe even future HOF'er.

[JakeYonkel]

Jackson was more of a basketball player, if I remember correctly. So he was a little raw with his baseball skills.

Not a ton of pop but a great athlete. I guess at worst he's Joey Gathright, at best he's BJ Upton. Not that there's anything wrong with that but it's not like the guy was gonna be Pujols or Manny.

The guy to look out for is Jesus Montero. I saw him in spring training '07 when he was like 17 or 18 years old. He's gonna be a MONSTER.

[killeverything]

Jackson was more of a basketball player, if I remember correctly. So he was a little raw with his baseball skills.

Not a ton of pop but a great athlete. I guess at worst he's Joey Gathright, at best he's BJ Upton. Not that there's anything wrong with that but it's not like the guy was gonna be Pujols or Manny.

The guy to look out for is Jesus Montero. I saw him in spring training '07 when he was like 17 or 18 years old. He's gonna be a MONSTER.

Oh I agree with you about Montero he's ranked pretty high by pretty much everybody.

With Jackson ( I thought it was a quaterback scholarship he turned down, not unlike Carl Crawford ), he's a five tool player. He just hasn't reached his projected potential. There is a decent chance he aquires the power, he has some pop to him. Of course these things are always 50-50.

Let's say hypothetically he does reach his potential. While adding Curtis Granderson to damn near any team is nice. That would suck for them in the future ( not that I would have a problem with that per say ).

If the guy was another Pujols or Manny then Cashman should be shot, and revered everywhere else as a God.

[bighairdiscs]

Apparently, Baseball Prospectus has come up with their prediction for the upcoming season in the AL East..... the Champions? Tampa Bay.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball ... 069022.ece

[JakeYonkel]

Apparently, Baseball Prospectus has come up with their prediction for the upcoming season in the AL East..... the Champions? Tampa Bay.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball ... 069022.ece

Yeah and they've got the Yankees in third.

I dunno about that.

[killeverything]

Apparently, Baseball Prospectus has come up with their prediction for the upcoming season in the AL East..... the Champions? Tampa Bay.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball ... 069022.ece

Yeah and they've got the Yankees in third.

I dunno about that.

I saw that yesterday. I was going to post about it, but I just figured what's the point? I think Tampa's going to be pretty tough this year, but what really throws me off about their analysis is the RS and RA. Two team's that aren't leading the league in RA, are two of the best defensive teams with their upgrades ( Seattle and Boston ).

Plus while I would love to see the MFY miss the Playoffs, that's a billion dollar All-Star team. There is no way they do. Traitor and Matsui had monster years, but aren't the reason they won. Teix and Arod are.

[Machado]

Apparently, Baseball Prospectus has come up with their prediction for the upcoming season in the AL East..... the Champions? Tampa Bay.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball ... 069022.ece

Yeah and they've got the Yankees in third.

I dunno about that.

I saw that yesterday. I was going to post about it, but I just figured what's the point? I think Tampa's going to be pretty tough this year, but what really throws me off about their analysis is the RS and RA. Two team's that aren't leading the league in RA, are two of the best defensive teams with their upgrades ( Seattle and Boston ).

Plus while I would love to see the MFY miss the Playoffs, that's a billion dollar All-Star team. There is no way they do. Traitor and Matsui had monster years, but aren't the reason they won. Teix and Arod are.

How many more days until opening day?
That's all I want to know,

Yankees might look a bit different once the season begins.
No Matsui
No Damon

Both key players in for several years.
Matsui drives in 100 runs. Just book that.
I'm sure he'll drive in 100 runs or more if he can stay healthy.

[johnk5150]

Why hasn't Nady signed the contract yet?

Never mind.

Cubs finalize one-year deal with Xavier Nady
January 29, 2010 1:02 PM | 4 Comments | UPDATED STORY
By Phil Rogers

Xavier Nady's signing with the Cubs became official Friday after a physical that determined he had recovered from Tommy John surgery sufficiently to contribute as a fourth outfielder.

[Machado]

Damon and Boras are to blame for no longer being a Yankee player.

Neither wanted to swallow their pride and accept the fact that Damon is no longer a $13 million per year player.
He can not play CF anymore. Damon is a LF/DH at this point in his career.

Is that worth $13 million per? I don't think so.


So now he's without a team and probably going to a team that won't be a contender.

Such a shame!!

[killeverything]

Damon and Boras are to blame for no longer being a Yankee player.

Neither wanted to swallow their pride and accept the fact that Damon is no longer a $13 million per year player.
He can not play CF anymore. Damon is a LF/DH at this point in his career.

Is that worth $13 million per? I don't think so.


So now he's without a team and probably going to a team that won't be a contender.

Such a shame!!

Shame my ass. I want to see him play out the rest of his career with someone like Pittsburgh or Washington for the League minimum.

Fuck him. Even the MFY fans agree now.

[SkyDog112046]

Apparently, Baseball Prospectus has come up with their prediction for the upcoming season in the AL East..... the Champions? Tampa Bay.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball ... 069022.ece

Yeah and they've got the Yankees in third.

I dunno about that.

I saw that yesterday. I was going to post about it, but I just figured what's the point? I think Tampa's going to be pretty tough this year, but what really throws me off about their analysis is the RS and RA. Two team's that aren't leading the league in RA, are two of the best defensive teams with their upgrades ( Seattle and Boston ).

Plus while I would love to see the MFY miss the Playoffs, that's a billion dollar All-Star team. There is no way they do. Traitor and Matsui had monster years, but aren't the reason they won. Teix and Arod are.

I don't think the Sox are a playoff team this season. There's no offense, and playing in Fenway a team needs to score runs to win because the small field takes away a lot of the defense.

The outfield probably won't hit 40 HR's combined. Ortiz is on the decline, and there really aren't many guys left who drive the ball consistently. On base guys are good as long as there are power guys behind them to knock them in.

Lackey has never pitched well in Fenway and now he has to take the mound 17-18 times in a park he doesn't like. Beckett looks like he is starting to break down. Buccholz deserves a spot in the rotation but they are going to jerk him around in favor of Wakefield who can barely walk. Lester is solid. Dice-K should be better this year, but he really taxes a bullpen. And the bullpen is weak besides Papelbon and Bard. Okijima got figured out, MDC looks like he lost it, and the rest of those guys are hit or miss.

I just don't see this team being more than an 85 win team unless there are a few trades lined up. I really think this is a write-off year and they are gearing up to go after Mauer and Adrian Gonzalez for 2011.

[SkyDog112046]

Damon and Boras are to blame for no longer being a Yankee player.

Neither wanted to swallow their pride and accept the fact that Damon is no longer a $13 million per year player.
He can not play CF anymore. Damon is a LF/DH at this point in his career.

Is that worth $13 million per? I don't think so.


So now he's without a team and probably going to a team that won't be a contender.

Such a shame!!

Shame my ass. I want to see him play out the rest of his career with someone like Pittsburgh or Washington for the League minimum.

Fuck him. Even the MFY fans agree now.

Poetic justice is Johnny Traitor ending his career in KC.

[JakeYonkel]

Damon and Boras are to blame for no longer being a Yankee player.

Neither wanted to swallow their pride and accept the fact that Damon is no longer a $13 million per year player.
He can not play CF anymore. Damon is a LF/DH at this point in his career.

Is that worth $13 million per? I don't think so.


So now he's without a team and probably going to a team that won't be a contender.

Such a shame!!

Shame my ass. I want to see him play out the rest of his career with someone like Pittsburgh or Washington for the League minimum.

Fuck him. Even the MFY fans agree now.

Well Boston hates him because he claimed he'd never play for the Yankees and then he went for the money and did.

He was a good citizen and played his ass off in New York. I think it was Boras that made him an enemy in NY, but if Damon had a sack he could have least went back to the Yankees without Boras (ala A-Rod if you believe it) and negotiated his own contract, if that's where he really wanted to play.

I understand wanting to max out your earnings but the guy's probably made close to $75M in his career, so why not just accept a reasonable deal with the Yankees where you've got a good shot at another championship and fit perfectly in the lineup? Or hell, even go to LA or Chicago or whatever, a team that can contend. Now all the LF and DH spots are basically filled and he WILL wind up with a non-contender.

Great work, who gives a fuck.

[killeverything]

Eric Byrnes signs a one year deal with Seattle.


Oh and Machado, 65 days til the season starts.

[killeverything]

Holy shit.

Aroldis Chapman the Cuban defectee that Cincinnati signed for 30m, has already been destroyed by piece of shit manager Dusty Baker.

CINCINNATI—Within just a few minutes of Cuban pitcher Aroldis Chapman's arrival in the United States, Reds manager Dusty Baker had already overused and mangled the 21-year-old's arm beyond recognition, team sources reported Sunday. Baker, who has been accused of overtaxing young pitchers' arms in the past, reportedly greeted Chapman with a bucket of 250 baseballs and told him to "hurl them" as fast as he could, later encouraging the fastballer to "go nuts" with his pitching style.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_br ... r_destroys

This is the only place I've found anything about it. It fits with Baker's track record.

[JakeYonkel]

LOL, dude. The Onion. You know...

[killeverything]

LOL, dude. The Onion. You know...

Yeah, after I saw the link.....

It fits with Baker's track record though......

[bighairdiscs]

LOL, dude. The Onion. You know...

Yeah, after I saw the link.....

It fits with Baker's track record though......

Baker did wonders for Mark Prior's career..... letting him throw about 170 pitches a game

[Facedown]

Orlando Cabrera signs with Reds 1yr/3mil.

[killeverything]

Orlando Cabrera signs with Reds 1yr/3mil.

He must be a real character, and not in a good way for him to be given the contracts he has.

Everyone knows Boston shoulda brought him back in '05. It blows my mind how short his stays are with teams.

[killeverything]

I just score an 11 x 14 autographed photo of Carl Yastrzemski for my living room.

Hell to the yes.

[JakeYonkel]

Orlando Cabrera signs with Reds 1yr/3mil.

He must be a real character, and not in a good way for him to be given the contracts he has.

Everyone knows Boston shoulda brought him back in '05. It blows my mind how short his stays are with teams.

I got the feeling he's a shithead.

I was at game 1 of the ALDS in Tampa when he was with the White Sox 2 years ago - Grant Balfour and he almost got into it. Cabrera thought Balfour was talking shit on the mound and started barking at him and kicked dirt at him.

Five years ago yeah, I don't know why Boston let him walk, unless it was really because of the fact that he's a dick.

But since getting traded to Boston in 04...

1/2 year in Boston
3 years in LA, then traded for Jon Garland...
1 year in Chicago
1/2 year Oakland
1/2 year Minnesota

His value is pretty low since his defense is heading south, and is his hitting ability. So yeah, that coupled with being a fuck probably doesn't help his cause. And it's rumored he refused to move off SS, so that severely limited his options.

[killeverything]

Orlando Cabrera signs with Reds 1yr/3mil.

He must be a real character, and not in a good way for him to be given the contracts he has.

Everyone knows Boston shoulda brought him back in '05. It blows my mind how short his stays are with teams.

I got the feeling he's a shithead.

I was at game 1 of the ALDS in Tampa when he was with the White Sox 2 years ago - Grant Balfour and he almost got into it. Cabrera thought Balfour was talking shit on the mound and started barking at him and kicked dirt at him.

Five years ago yeah, I don't know why Boston let him walk, unless it was really because of the fact that he's a dick.

But since getting traded to Boston in 04...

1/2 year in Boston
3 years in LA, then traded for Jon Garland...
1 year in Chicago
1/2 year Oakland
1/2 year Minnesota

His value is pretty low since his defense is heading south, and is his hitting ability. So yeah, that coupled with being a fuck probably doesn't help his cause. And it's rumored he refused to move off SS, so that severely limited his options.

Yeah, I just wasn't thinking about it. He was one of the 25, so I don't get why Boston let him go....although the draft picks they got from the 2004 FA is amazing.

He's heading south so I understand the one year contract with Cincinnatti, it's just shocking to see how much he's moved. Must be a real dick.....and/or gangbangah yo.

[tin00can]

It's funny, I don't remember any problems with O-Cab when he was on the Angels, and there were quite a few people who were sad to see him go in the Garland trade. Maybe there were things we didn't hear about.

[killeverything]

It's being said now that Kevin Towers is going to the MFY. The original rumor was Boston, but I guess he didn't want to get in the middle of Epstein and Lucchino, who have a pretty volitale working relationship.

Maybe he's jealous of the success of his protege'. I've always been pretty sure that he and Cashman are good friends who have the same ideas of managing a club.

Regardless of his track record in San Diego, the guy is supposed to be statistical analysis genius. I could see this being favorable of the MFY FO.