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SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:tin00can wrote:
Almost all religions are based in interpretations of shit that was written some 2000 or more years ago. How can one be any more logical than another?
Yes, I'm throwing Mormonism and Scientology out of the conversation. Everybody knows they're nuts.
Ah, the ever ridiculous Time Fallacy:
Since x was written y amount of years ago, that makes x illogical, irrational, and stupid.
A fallacy is an argument that is based on faulty reasoning. "Religion" itself is not an argument. You can have arguments for or against a religious institute or positions that religion espouses. Your statement has no meaning.KneelandBobDylan wrote:
No, what makes religion a fallacy is that religion IS a fallacy.
GreatWhiteSnake wrote:I'm 46 and my dad's 67 and we kiss each other on the mouth and my 9 yo old son and I do too. It's because we love each other. A lot. And could give a shit what anyone else thinks about us kissing on the mouth.
Here's a nice list of terrorist attacks, with the number of people killed. How many of these do NOT involve Muslims?MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote:I would like to see the statistics on that.Nevermind wrote: And remember, not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim.
Hope this helped.
And how does this demonstrate that a majority of terrorist follow the Muslim faith? It's not even a list of all terrorist bombings. You would have to supply a list of all known terrorists along with their respective religious creeds to even make such a determination or supply the statistics of anyone who has already done so and compiled the relevant information. Were I to post a list of Irish terrorist acts, it would not prove most terrorists are Christian any more than your list backed up NeverMomma's conclusion.VinnieKulick wrote:Here's a nice list of terrorist attacks, with the number of people killed. How many of these do NOT involve Muslims?MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote:I would like to see the statistics on that.Nevermind wrote: And remember, not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim.
Hope this helped.
2,974 September 11, 2001 attacks
796 2007 Qahtaniya bombings
422 Cinema Rex fire Iran
385 Beslan School Siege Russia
329 Air India Flight 182 Atlantic Ocean
307 1983 Beirut barracks bombing
307 1999 Russian apartment bombings
290 Iran Air 655 Persian Gulf
270 Pan Am Flight 103
257 1993 Mumbai bombings India
252 2001 Angola train attack
238 MV Dara Southwest Asia Persian Gulf
237 1998 United States embassy bombings
215 Sadr City bombings Iraq Sadr City 2006
209 Mumbai train bombings India Mumbai 2006
202 2002 Bali bombings Indonesia Bali 2002
198 April 18, 2007 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2007
191 March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings Spain Madrid 2004
178 Ashoura Massacre Iraq Kerbala and Baghdad 2004
175 2008 Mumbai attacks India Mumbai 2008
171 UTA Flight UT-772 Niger 1989
170 Moscow Theatre Siege Russia Moscow 2002
168 Oklahoma City bombing United States Oklahoma City 1995
155 25 October 2009 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2009
152 2007 Tal Afar bombings and massacre Iraq Tal Afar 2007
150 St Nedelya Church assault Bulgaria Sofia 1925
136 2007 Karachi bombing Pakistan Karachi 2007
135 February 3, 2007 Baghdad market bombing Iraq Baghdad 2007
130 Rafiganj train disaster India Rafiganj 2002
128 Xiamen Airlines Flight 8301 Guangzhou China 1990
127 8 December 2009 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2009
127 2005 Al Hillah bombing Iraq Al Hillah 2005
125 Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 Indian Ocean 1996
120 2007 Al Hillah bombings Iraq Al Hillah 2007
117 28 October 2009 Peshawar bombing Pakistan Peshawar 2009
117 2004 Irbil bombings Iraq Irbil 2004
116 Superferry 14 bombing Philippines 2004
114+ 10 May 2010 Iraq attacks Iraq Baghdad 2010
112 2006 Digampathana bombing Sri Lanka Digampathana 2006
112 September 14, 2005 Baghdad bombing Iraq Baghdad 2005
112 Avianca Flight 203 Colombia 1989
112 Gulf Air Flight 771 United Arab Emirates Dubai 1983
110 10 October 2008 Orakzai bombing Pakistan Orakzai 2008
105 2010 Lakki Marwat suicide bombing Pakistan Lakki Marwat 2010
102 World's first suicide car bombing Lebanon Tyre 1982
101 19 August 2009 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2009
100 2008 Kandahar bombing Afghanistan Kandahar 2008
98 1 February 2008 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2008
98 Musayyib fuel tanker bombing Iraq Musayyib 2005
91 King David Hotel bombing Mandatory Palestine Jerusalem 1946
90 Central Bank Bombing Sri Lanka Colombo 1996
90 2005 Sharm el-Sheikh attacks Egypt Sharm el-Sheikh 2005
89 Russian airplane bombings Russia 2004
88 TWA Flight 841 Ionian Sea 1974
88 22 January 2007 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2007
86 AMIA Bombing Argentina Buenos Aires 1994
85 April 2010 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2010
85 Buratha Mosque bombing Iraq Baghdad 2006
85 Stazione Centrale bombing Italy Bologna 1980
83 Imam Ali Mosque bombing Iraq Najaf 2003
81 2008 Assam bombings India Assam 2008
80 Jaipur bombings India Jaipur 2008
80 1985 Beirut car bombing Lebanon Beirut 1985
76 February 12, 2007 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2007
76 2010 Maoist attack in Dantewada India
75 2007 Baghlan sugar factory bombing Afghanistan
74 2005 Khanaqin bombings Iraq Khanaqin 2005
74 21 April 2004 Basra bombings Iraq Basra 2004
74 2004 Kufa shelling Iraq Kufa 2004
73 20 June 2009 Taza bombing Iraq Taza 2009
72 March 2010 Lahore bombings Pakistan Lahore 2010
70 2008 Wah bombing Pakistan Wah 2008
70 2007 Baghdad Mustansiriya University bombing Iraq Baghdad 2007
69 24 June 2009 Baghdad bombing Iraq Baghdad 2009
68 6 March 2008 Baghdad bombing Iraq Baghdad 2008
68 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings India 2007
68 2004 Baqubah bombing Baqubah Iraq 2004
63 February 18, 2007 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2007
63 DAS Building bombing Colombia Bogotá 1989
63 Iraqi Airways Flight 163 Arar Saudi Arabia 1986
63 April 1983 US Embassy bombing Lebanon Beirut 1983
62 July 1, 2006 Sadr City bombing Iraq Sadr City 2006
62 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings India Delhi 2005
62 24 June 2004 Mosul bombings Iraq Mosul 2004
61 October 29, 2005 New Delhi bombings India New Delhi 2005
60 2005 Amman bombings Jordan Amman 2005
60 EgyptAir Flight 648 Athens Greece 1985
60 Second Tyre truck bombing attack Lebanon Tyre 1983
58 April 2010 Kohat bombings Pakistan Kohat 2010
58 2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul Afghanistan Kabul 2008
58 1948 Ben Yehuda Street bombing Mandatory Palestine
57 2003 Istanbul Bombings Turkey Istanbul 2003
56 2008 Ahmedabad bombings Pakistan Ahmedabad 2008
54 1 February 2010 Baghdad bombing Iraq Baghdad 2010
54 December 2009 Lahore attacks Pakistan Lahore 2009
54 Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing Pakistan Islamabad 2008
52 7 July 2005 London bombings United Kingdom London, England 2005
52 2003 Mumbai bombings India Mumbai 2003
51 17 June 2008 Baghdad bombing Iraq Baghdad 2008
48 2009 Jamrud mosque bombing Pakistan Jamrud 2009
47 2008 Parachinar bombing Pakistan 2008
46 2003 Casablanca bombings Morocco Casablanca 2003
43 2009 Karachi bombing Pakistan Karachi 2009
43 2008 Issers bombing Algeria 2008
42 April 4, 2010 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2010
42 February 2004 Moscow metro bombing Russia Moscow 2004
41 25 January 2010 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2010
41 December 11, 2007 Algiers bombings Algeria Algiers 2007
40 2010 Moscow Metro bombings Russia Moscow 2010
39 May 2010 Mogadishu bombings Somalia Mogadishu 2010
38 December 2009 Rawalpindi attack Pakistan Rawalpindi 2009
38 2001 attack on Jammu and Kashmir legislative assembly
38 Wall Street bombing United States New York City 1920
37 2006 Malegaon blasts India 2006
35 November 2009 Rawalpindi bombing Pakistan Rawalpindi 2009
35 2009 Beledweyne bombing Somalia Beledweyne 2009
35 2009 Lahore bombing Pakistan Lahore 2009
35 September 2008 Peshawar bombing Pakistan Peshawar 2008
35 15 July 2008 Baquba bombings Iraq Baqubah 2008
35 Riyadh compound bombings Saudi Arabia Riyadh 2003
34 6 April 2009 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2009
34 2004 Sinai bombings Egypt Taba,
33 3 March 2010 Baqubah bombings Iraq Baqubah 2010
33 11 April 2007 Algiers bombings Algeria Algiers 2007
33 Pan Am Flight 110 Italy 1973
33 1998 Coimbatore bombings India Coimbatore 1998
33 Dublin and Monaghan Bombings Ireland Dublin,
32 28 September 2008 Baghdad bombings Iraq Baghdad 2008
30 Passover massacre Israel Netanya 2002
28 2006 Varanasi bombings India Varanasi 2006
MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote:
P.S.: Unless you compiled this list yourself, it is common courtesy to cite your sources.
GreatWhiteSnake wrote:I'm 46 and my dad's 67 and we kiss each other on the mouth and my 9 yo old son and I do too. It's because we love each other. A lot. And could give a shit what anyone else thinks about us kissing on the mouth.
or Bush, Cheney and reptilian humanoid aliens. After all, not all aliens are reptilian humanoids but all reptilian humanoids are aliens.SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote:
P.S.: Unless you compiled this list yourself, it is common courtesy to cite your sources.
I can vouch for the 9/11 attacks. It was Muslim terrorists.
I'd be more embarrassed if I thought by reading a little Descartes or Plato that I'd turn into the arrogant, smug, humorless prick you seem to be.SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:A fallacy is an argument that is based on faulty reasoning. "Religion" itself is not an argument. You can have arguments for or against a religious institute or positions that religion espouses. Your statement has no meaning.KneelandBobDylan wrote:
No, what makes religion a fallacy is that religion IS a fallacy.
"x is wrong, because x IS wrong."
Don't you feel dumb after reading what you posted?
Let me give you some advice. Having opinions are important and everyone should be opinionated, but when your opinion is not backed by knowledge or education, it becomes the opinion of a child. You don't know the definition of the word "fallacy", you don't know the definition of the word "religion", and yet you come on here and assert your opinions as if they have some kind of basis for existing other than that they popped in your head.
The way you look at the world has been loosely formed by TV Shows, stand-up comedians, random political websites, and possibly one or two books, although I can't for the life of me think what they are.
My suggestion to you is to take a few years and possibly read and get a background in philosophy, rhetoric, history, and even theology. You should feel, at this point, thoroughly embarrassed.
So you have no rebuttal for not knowing what "fallacy" and "religion" mean, no explanation for your ridiculous bare assertion fallacy "x is something because x is something", and you project my criticisms of you back onto me. Gotcha.KneelandBobDylan wrote:
I'd be more embarrassed if I thought by reading a little Descartes or Plato that I'd turn into the arrogant, smug, humorless prick you seem to be.
You're Like Matt Damon in "Good Will Hunting." You've read a few books so you think you're more learned than other people.
News flash, cowboy, you're not.
But feel free to get back to me when you can prove there is a God, or Buddah, or, Zeus, or Marduc.
Until then, maybe you should seek out some Phillppa Foot or Bertand Russell, or any of the myriad other philosophers that think religion is little more than superstition, because whatever you paid for your education, you're still poorly uninformed.
GreatWhiteSnake wrote:I'm 46 and my dad's 67 and we kiss each other on the mouth and my 9 yo old son and I do too. It's because we love each other. A lot. And could give a shit what anyone else thinks about us kissing on the mouth.
SeminiferousButtNoid wrote:
A fallacy is an argument that is based on faulty reasoning. "Religion" itself is not an argument. You can have arguments for or against a religious institute or positions that religion espouses. Your statement has no meaning.
"x is wrong, because x IS wrong."
Don't you feel dumb after reading what you posted?
Let me give you some advice. Having opinions are important and everyone should be opinionated, but when your opinion is not backed by knowledge or education, it becomes the opinion of a child. You don't know the definition of the word "fallacy", you don't know the definition of the word "religion", and yet you come on here and assert your opinions as if they have some kind of basis for existing other than that they popped in your head.
The way you look at the world has been loosely formed by TV Shows, stand-up comedians, random political websites, and possibly one or two books, although I can't for the life of me think what they are.
My suggestion to you is to take a few years and possibly read and get a background in philosophy, rhetoric, history, and even theology. You should feel, at this point, thoroughly embarrassed.
Stoner wrote:
...we stopped at a restaurant to eat and I was wearing a Sludge shirt. Someone came up and asked me if I read the messageboard - I touched cloth for a split second and then said the shirt was my husband's and just looked at them retardedly.
290 Iran Air 655 Persian Gulf
vlad wrote:Oh Vinnie...did you even really read the list? I got this far...
290 Iran Air 655 Persian Gulf
Uh, our bad on that one.... You have to be willfully ignorant to not acknowledge that of all the 'successful" terrorist attacks, the vast majority of them are perpetrated by Islamic people. But, you are right, the IRA blew up a ton of people too. That's pretty much screeched to a halt in the past decade or so though, hasn't it? And, who would you feel more comfortable sitting next to on a plane, Gerald Fitzpatrick or Mullah Abdul Mohamed?MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote: And how does this demonstrate that a majority of terrorist follow the Muslim faith? It's not even a list of all terrorist bombings. You would have to supply a list of all known terrorists along with their respective religious creeds to even make such a determination or supply the statistics of anyone who has already done so and compiled the relevant information. Were I to post a list of Irish terrorist acts, it would not prove most terrorists are Christian any more than your list backed up NeverMomma's conclusion.
https://wits.nctc.gov/P.S.: Unless you compiled this list yourself, it is common courtesy to cite your sources.
Yes, I know what Iran Air 655. I know it was shot down by American forces. And, yeah, I think it's terrorism to shoot a plane out of the sky without verification as to what type of aircraft it was.vlad wrote:Vinnie I see you are ignoring my comment above...
You do know what happened to Iran Air 655 right? If the criteria in your list is that broad. Well, I suppose it is considered an act of terrorism. It's just interesting that you would think so.
Also, that's a wikipedia list...here's the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ba ... st_attacks.
Using your first link as a source, 34,835 of the 65,879 attacks they are tracking were committed by persons unknown, 15,653 were secular perpetrators and 15381 were Islamic perpetrators. That's more like a quarter of the attacks listed. Your original list, which I didn't find on any of those links, did not indicate the perps religious persuasion, hence it didn't even back up your/NeverMomma's assertion.VinnieKulick wrote:You have to be willfully ignorant to not acknowledge that of all the 'successful" terrorist attacks, the vast majority of them are perpetrated by Islamic people. But, you are right, the IRA blew up a ton of people too. That's pretty much screeched to a halt in the past decade or so though, hasn't it? And, who would you feel more comfortable sitting next to on a plane, Gerald Fitzpatrick or Mullah Abdul Mohamed?MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote: And how does this demonstrate that a majority of terrorist follow the Muslim faith? It's not even a list of all terrorist bombings. You would have to supply a list of all known terrorists along with their respective religious creeds to even make such a determination or supply the statistics of anyone who has already done so and compiled the relevant information. Were I to post a list of Irish terrorist acts, it would not prove most terrorists are Christian any more than your list backed up NeverMomma's conclusion.
VinnieKulick wrote:https://wits.nctc.gov/P.S.: Unless you compiled this list yourself, it is common courtesy to cite your sources.
http://www.start.umd.edu/start/
http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Terr ... ncidents//
Vinnie, why would you lie? Could it be this reason:vlad wrote:
Also, that's a wikipedia list...here's the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ba ... st_attacks.
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To put things into perspective, approximately 3000 people were killed in the IRA troubles.VinnieKulick wrote:You have to be willfully ignorant to not acknowledge that of all the 'successful" terrorist attacks, the vast majority of them are perpetrated by Islamic people. But, you are right, the IRA blew up a ton of people too. That's pretty much screeched to a halt in the past decade or so though, hasn't it? And, who would you feel more comfortable sitting next to on a plane, Gerald Fitzpatrick or Mullah Abdul Mohamed?MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote: And how does this demonstrate that a majority of terrorist follow the Muslim faith? It's not even a list of all terrorist bombings. You would have to supply a list of all known terrorists along with their respective religious creeds to even make such a determination or supply the statistics of anyone who has already done so and compiled the relevant information. Were I to post a list of Irish terrorist acts, it would not prove most terrorists are Christian any more than your list backed up NeverMomma's conclusion.
And when you can find a list of near daily terror attacks by the Irish, I'd love to see it. In the meantime, check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
AH yes, that's it. I can't PROVE that an attack somewhere on a jew, or on a christian, or on a Sunni is without a doubt perpetrated by Islamic terrorists, so it can't possibly be true, right?MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote: Vinnie, why would you lie? Could it be this reason:
The only thing CERTAIN here is your tenuous grasp on honesty, integrity and logic. It's like you've been possessed by ZakkVanDime.VinnieKulick wrote:AH yes, that's it. I can't PROVE that an attack somewhere on a jew, or on a christian, or on a Sunni is without a doubt perpetrated by Islamic terrorists, so it can't possibly be true, right?MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote: Vinnie, why would you lie? Could it be this reason:
So, let me get this straight, it's CERTAIN that cops will profile Hispanics in Arizona, but it's unclear that Islamic terrorist will attack people with different religious views.
VinnieKulick wrote:I gave you a list with a few dozen attacks that were carried out by muslims. Find me a list of attacks that weren't, besides Tim McVeigh and the Iran Air flight.
I wouldn't exactly call the Nazi, Chinese, Japanese and USSR regimes terrorists, although no doubt they committed atrocities and needed to be brought down. And they were pretty much isolated in where they came from and where they committed those atrocities(although the wars were obviously much more widespread).vlad wrote:VinnieKulick wrote:I gave you a list with a few dozen attacks that were carried out by muslims. Find me a list of attacks that weren't, besides Tim McVeigh and the Iran Air flight.
You mean on the list you posted? Am I reading that right?
Aside the from the obvious Irish related bombings, there are Sri Lankan ones (the original suicide bombers!) and Sikh/Hindu violence. Oh, and Jewish terrorism from 1946...the King David hotel bombing that killed 91. And as I can't be bothered to do a complete go over of the list, aside from the St Nedelya Church assault (in which communists blew up a church in Bulgaria) did it include any of the Bader-Meinhoff attacks, the Red Brigade in Europe, or the Maoists in Nepal and India?
And the MV Dara incident..no one knopws what happened on that boat, except there was an explosion. Some suspect that it was deliberately blown up, but there has never been any proof that it was.
That is not to say that radical terrorist who happen to be Islamic (or say they are..much like the Aryan Nations, etc. say they are Christian) have not done horrendous damage. And one incredibly successful (from their POV) attack, on 9/11. Most of the attacks listed in Iraq, though are sectarian in nature..and Vinnie? Earlier you mentioned Sunni's as though they are victims of "Islamic" terrorism....you do realise that it is Sunni's in Iraq that have done more terrorism than Shi'ites (it's a sectarian clusterfuck). And that bin Laden springs from the Sunni tradition, not the Shi'ite.
And I do have to again mention that when we talk about terrorism....lest we forget, the surpeme act of terrorism was committed by a European nation, ostensibly a Christian one...unless you don't consider the Nazi's to have been terrorists. And I'll throw Stalin and Mao in there, too. Though, they aren't Muslim either. Or the Japanese. If we want to total a list of the most successful terrorists..or actually those who have killed the most...look closer to home. 60 million people (not counting the millions who died in Mao's China) died and not one of the above mentioned were Muslim.
Let's not forget the "little" terrorists/genocidal motherfuckers...Pol Pot...or (pick a name) in the Congo (five million plus died in teh civil war there this past decade)..that reminds me, Rwanda. Oh yeah, Central America...and Central Asia, too....Look at Chile in the 70's and '80s, Argentina..etc,etc, etc....and let us not forget the litle town of Rosewood, or the 16th Street Baptist Church Bombing. Or the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta or any of the other terroists acts committed by "real" Americans.
Just because the bastards wore uniforms doesn't mean they weren't terrorists.
But fear Teh-Muslim!!!!!
Where do you draw the line for defining terrorism? How about gangbangers who molotov houses and mafioso who might burn down your business to scare you out of town? What about anarchist riots? Is that not terrorism?VinnieKulick wrote:I gave you a list with a few dozen attacks that were carried out by muslims. Find me a list of attacks that weren't, besides Tim McVeigh and the Iran Air flight.
Vinnie would eat a bowl of shit rather than admit he was wrong about it not tasting like crap.vanitybinge wrote:Where do you draw the line for defining terrorism? How about gangbangers who molotov houses and mafioso who might burn down your business to scare you out of town? What about anarchist riots? Is that not terrorism?VinnieKulick wrote:I gave you a list with a few dozen attacks that were carried out by muslims. Find me a list of attacks that weren't, besides Tim McVeigh and the Iran Air flight.
Saying that most terrorist acts in the entire world are committed by Muslims when far more acts of violence are not even on record is beyond naive.
QFT.SkyDog112046 wrote: I wouldn't exactly call the Nazi, Chinese, Japanese and USSR regimes terrorists, although no doubt they committed atrocities and needed to be brought down. And they were pretty much isolated in where they came from and where they committed those atrocities(although the wars were obviously much more widespread).
The biggest difference is that the rest of the world recognized the danger they posed and eventually came together to bring them down. When someone points at the danger Islam poses due to how widespread it is and how large the radical aspect is and that even some of the more supposedly moderate factions support the radical sects financially those people raising the red flag are considered bigots.
The problem is that because they commit terrorism under the guise of religion that it is considered wrong to want to band together and take them down the same way the world got together to deal with past atrocities.
THere's a difference between "we're going to burn your business down in order to make a financial profit from you not being here" and "we're going to blow a bomb up in a market because our religious leaders tell us it's the right thing to do".vanitybinge wrote:Where do you draw the line for defining terrorism? How about gangbangers who molotov houses and mafioso who might burn down your business to scare you out of town? What about anarchist riots? Is that not terrorism?VinnieKulick wrote:I gave you a list with a few dozen attacks that were carried out by muslims. Find me a list of attacks that weren't, besides Tim McVeigh and the Iran Air flight.
Saying that most terrorist acts in the entire world are committed by Muslims when far more acts of violence are not even on record is beyond naive.
There is no distinction on the business end of the bomb.VinnieKulick wrote:THere's a difference between "we're going to burn your business down in order to make a financial profit from you not being here" and "we're going to blow a bomb up in a market because our religious leaders tell us it's the right thing to do".vanitybinge wrote:Where do you draw the line for defining terrorism? How about gangbangers who molotov houses and mafioso who might burn down your business to scare you out of town? What about anarchist riots? Is that not terrorism?VinnieKulick wrote:I gave you a list with a few dozen attacks that were carried out by muslims. Find me a list of attacks that weren't, besides Tim McVeigh and the Iran Air flight.
Saying that most terrorist acts in the entire world are committed by Muslims when far more acts of violence are not even on record is beyond naive.
Not that either of them are ok, but there is a huge difference between burning some guy's market down in the middle of the night when it is empty and blowing the market up during the busiest time of the day when it is full of innocent people.MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote:There is no distinction on the business end of the bomb.
That's cold comfort to the victims.SkyDog112046 wrote:Not that either of them are ok, but there is a huge difference between burning some guy's market down in the middle of the night when it is empty and blowing the market up during the busiest time of the day when it is full of innocent people.MasterOfMeatPuppets wrote:There is no distinction on the business end of the bomb.
