WhiteHouseSubsAC wrote:Yeah, Adam Dunn would be good for you guys.
Werth started out in LA, I think the Angels would be a good choice for him. Better start loading up the Brinks trucks now, though.
I've wanted Dunn for a few years now. Werth...god, I hope not. As you pointed out, he's gonna be ridiculously overpaid because he's the only big bat on the market. I really don't want the Angels to give him a $75 million/5-year contract to see him put up 20-25 HR a year.
Of course, it will probably take the same to sign Crawford if the Yankees (ha ha, "if") are in the mix on him.
They did a comparison of Werth this year vs last year.
His power numbers are down by 9 HR, but his avg and obp are up. He went through a horrendous slump (as did the whole team) in late May and early June. He's also got some speed, though he hasn't shown it as much this year. Average OF with a pretty good arm, though he's made some pretty glaring bad throws this year.
I'd rather have Crawford, but he's not a bad pickup.
HeavyMetalZombie666 wrote:Of course your asshole is going to be sore when you volunteer for an asspounding and not set any boundaries at all.
dtmfs wrote:Fuck Yes, Fuck the cunty little braves and that fat ass bobby cox, Nice start to a wonderful going away present to that grouchy penguin looking prick, 5 back and counting, heres hoping the padres or rockies can take the wild card and just send the cocksucker straight the fuck home.
Next.
HeavyMetalZombie666 wrote:Of course your asshole is going to be sore when you volunteer for an asspounding and not set any boundaries at all.
There is a saying that bad news doesn't get better with time. However, announcing plans to cut payroll while your team is in the middle of a division race can't be a good idea.
That's exactly what Tampa Bay Rays owner Stu Sternberg did when he announced that even if the Rays win the World Series payroll will be cut in 2011. The current estimate is that the Rays will cut this year's $72 million payroll by $15-20 million.
Prior to Tuesday's game Sternberg said, "Unfortunately there's nothing that can happen between now and April that can change that unless Joe Maddon hits the lottery and wants to donate it, or I hit the lottery.''
This is the reality of having one of the best teams on the field coupled with one of the worst attendances. The Rays have done everything to try to boost attendance and revenue including hosting postgame concerts on Saturday's in the summer. There were even empty seats when the Yankees and Red Sox recently played in Tropicana Field.
With the upcoming reduction in payroll the Rays will be fielding an even younger team. The starting lineup this season has an average age of 26 years old.
I'd say they should move, but the reality is that there isn't anywhere for them to go.
Tenacious_Dio wrote:Tampa Bay Rays cutting payroll in 2011:
There is a saying that bad news doesn't get better with time. However, announcing plans to cut payroll while your team is in the middle of a division race can't be a good idea.
That's exactly what Tampa Bay Rays owner Stu Sternberg did when he announced that even if the Rays win the World Series payroll will be cut in 2011. The current estimate is that the Rays will cut this year's $72 million payroll by $15-20 million.
Prior to Tuesday's game Sternberg said, "Unfortunately there's nothing that can happen between now and April that can change that unless Joe Maddon hits the lottery and wants to donate it, or I hit the lottery.''
This is the reality of having one of the best teams on the field coupled with one of the worst attendances. The Rays have done everything to try to boost attendance and revenue including hosting postgame concerts on Saturday's in the summer. There were even empty seats when the Yankees and Red Sox recently played in Tropicana Field.
With the upcoming reduction in payroll the Rays will be fielding an even younger team. The starting lineup this season has an average age of 26 years old.
I'd say they should move, but the reality is that there isn't anywhere for them to go.
Tenacious_Dio wrote:Tampa Bay Rays cutting payroll in 2011:
There is a saying that bad news doesn't get better with time. However, announcing plans to cut payroll while your team is in the middle of a division race can't be a good idea.
That's exactly what Tampa Bay Rays owner Stu Sternberg did when he announced that even if the Rays win the World Series payroll will be cut in 2011. The current estimate is that the Rays will cut this year's $72 million payroll by $15-20 million.
Prior to Tuesday's game Sternberg said, "Unfortunately there's nothing that can happen between now and April that can change that unless Joe Maddon hits the lottery and wants to donate it, or I hit the lottery.''
This is the reality of having one of the best teams on the field coupled with one of the worst attendances. The Rays have done everything to try to boost attendance and revenue including hosting postgame concerts on Saturday's in the summer. There were even empty seats when the Yankees and Red Sox recently played in Tropicana Field.
With the upcoming reduction in payroll the Rays will be fielding an even younger team. The starting lineup this season has an average age of 26 years old.
I'd say they should move, but the reality is that there isn't anywhere for them to go.
Yeah, there is.
The superstars will end up in NY.
Those Tampa fans really suck. I can understand a place like KC or Pittsburgh not supporting their team because they aren't even remotely competitive, but the Rays have been right there the past several years.
How can you not show up unless the team gets to the ALCS? How can there be empty seats when your team has a series against the team it is fighting for the division just 2 years after going to the WS?
It's the fucking state of Florida, man. A transient state, and neither team has a long tradition, like the Yanks, Sox, or Cubs. Most people here support their hometown teams. It sucks.
TawnyVonJagger wrote:It's the fucking state of Florida, man. A transient state, and neither team has a long tradition, like the Yanks, Sox, or Cubs. Most people here support their hometown teams. It sucks.
I can understand people supporting their old team, but what about when that team comes to town? Or how about just wanting to see a ball game? If Tampa had been posting 62-100 seasons I could understand nobody caring but this team has been winning 90+ games and was in the WS 2 years ago. Winning usually changes things for fairly recent expansion teams. Is it any better in Miami?
TawnyVonJagger wrote:It's the fucking state of Florida, man. A transient state, and neither team has a long tradition, like the Yanks, Sox, or Cubs. Most people here support their hometown teams. It sucks.
I can understand people supporting their old team, but what about when that team comes to town? Or how about just wanting to see a ball game? If Tampa had been posting 62-100 seasons I could understand nobody caring but this team has been winning 90+ games and was in the WS 2 years ago. Winning usually changes things for fairly recent expansion teams. Is it any better in Miami?
I think what she's trying to say is that most people there are transplants that are impartial to the team.
Florida is a large retirement state. So I couldn't see the fan base being that strong regardless. Basically it's alligators and old people. Oh, and lot's of Cubans too.
killeverything wrote:I think what she's trying to say is that most people there are transplants that are impartial to the team.
Florida is a large retirement state. So I couldn't see the fan base being that strong regardless. Basically it's alligators and old people. Oh, and lot's of Cubans too.
I understand that completely. But if you really enjoy a sport and move away from your home town you can still go see what the new town has to offer. I used to travel a lot and go see games in neutral cities between 2 teams that I had no rooting interest simply because I enjoy the game, so there has to be people there that enjoy seeing a major league game now and then. And when "your" team comes to town you'd want to go see them. And you would think that people with kids would want to take them to see some games.
It's the Rays 13th season, and they've been interesting since 2005 since they started building the current roster. I would think they would have a decent fan base by now.
I would say the main problem is that MLB has geared itself towards an adult audience and is catering to the networks that put the games on late so kids aren't getting into the game the way we used to in the 70's & 80's. The older teams have plenty of older fans, and baseball in general isn't going after the kids so the newer franchises aren't cultivating a good young fan base. Saturday and Sunday day games and WS weekend day games draw a younger audience, and the MLB deal with the networks has all but gotten rid of everything except Sunday day games..
SkyDog112046 wrote: I understand that completely. But if you really enjoy a sport and move away from your home town you can still go see what the new town has to offer. I used to travel a lot and go see games in neutral cities between 2 teams that I had no rooting interest simply because I enjoy the game, so there has to be people there that enjoy seeing a major league game now and then. And when "your" team comes to town you'd want to go see them. And you would think that people with kids would want to take them to see some games.
THIS
I grew up in Montreal and lived in the Bay Area from 1998 to 2003. Whenever the Expos would come to San Francisco or Oakland I'd go to every game and proudly sport my 'Spos gear. Slowly but surely I became a Giants fan (I'm more of a NL guy; hate the DH). I would love getting a chance to take BART to where the A's play (I'm blanking) and catch AL players I had never gotten a chance to see much. On the NL side, even before I started rooting for the Giants, it was fun to go to a gorgeous new stadium just to go see a certain player from the opposing team that I found fun to watch.
If you're a baseball fan, you're a baseball fan. It doesn't have to be about a rooting interest, but more about spending a day in a nice environment and watching a bit of a story unfold. No clock, no time limits, no stress.
If I'm Terry Francona I treat the 2 games left vs NY this weekend in the Bronx and the 3 next weekend at home as the WS. Play the kids in the games vs Chicago and pull no punches vs NY and try to keep them from winning the division and take something positive into the off season.
Kenesaw Mountain Landis is spinning in his grave. I fucking hate Selig too. Worst "commissioner" (not that he deserves the title commissioner) in all of sports.
Kenesaw Mountain Landis is spinning in his grave. I fucking hate Selig too. Worst "commissioner" (not that he deserves the title commissioner) in all of sports.
I think Roger Goodell is the only competent commissioner in any of the big sports.
HeavyMetalZombie666 wrote:Of course your asshole is going to be sore when you volunteer for an asspounding and not set any boundaries at all.
Kenesaw Mountain Landis is spinning in his grave. I fucking hate Selig too. Worst "commissioner" (not that he deserves the title commissioner) in all of sports.
I think Roger Goodell is the only competent commissioner in any of the big sports.
NEW YORK -- Boston Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon is not one to complain about the strike zone, or the men in black who call balls and strikes.
But after suffering his eighth blown save of the season in the bottom of the ninth inning Sunday of a game the Yankees won 4-3 in the 10th, all but ending Boston's playoff hopes, Papelbon decided it was time to speak his mind.
"It was really tough tonight. Considering I'm not only pitching against the hitter, I'm pitching against the umpire," Papelbon said. "I mean, when you've got to do that against this lineup, you'll never be successful. It just won't happen."
After Red Sox starter Daisuke Matsuzaka worked eight strong innings, allowing only two runs on four hits with one walk and seven strikeouts, Papelbon entered the bottom of the ninth with a 3-2 lead, his teammates having scored twice in the top of the inning off Mariano Rivera.
The right-hander recorded a quick out by getting Derek Jeter to pop out to right field, but Nick Swisher and Mark Teixeira hit back-to-back singles.
Alex Rodriguez then worked the count to 2-2. Papelbon threw a splitter and a slider on the next two pitches and thought he had strike three both times. Instead, plate umpire Phil Cuzzi called each pitch a ball and Rodriguez drew a walk to load the bases. Robinson Cano followed with the tying RBI single.
Papelbon went off when asked if he thought he had Rodriguez struck out.
"Yeah. Not only with that at-bat, but plenty of at-bats I felt like I threw the ball well," Papelbon said. "I felt like I threw clutch pitches in clutch situations, mixed up my pitches well, and in those situations when you've got to pitch on the plate and resort to that, you're going to get beat, especially against this lineup in this ballpark."
Did Papelbon find himself having to give in?
"Yeah. No question. No question about it," he said. "When you've got to do that, you're in a lose-lose situation. Just call the game. There are 27 outs, call the game. Don't let the crowd influence you, don't let the hitter influence you, don't call the pitch where the catcher catches it; stay focused for 27 outs. Call the game.
"I'm not blaming the umpire. I could have definitely battled a little bit more out of that situation. I'm not one to complain about pitches, no. I'm not one to do that at all, but when you're pitching against the umpire and that lineup, nobody can win that situation. It's impossible.
"I mean, I made big pitches when I had to, and when you don't get those, it changes an entire at-bat to now where you have to pitch on the plate and give in to them, instead of them giving into you," he said. "It is what it is. I don't know what else to say, man."
Red Sox catcher Victor Martinez was asked if he thought Boston's pitchers were getting squeezed.
killeverything wrote:That strike zone fucking sucked for Paps. The MFY hitters though stayed off some very good pitches. So it's not like they were over-matched.
Sometimes that just happens.
My dream is to be behind the plate calling balls & strikes for a Sox vs NY game.
killeverything wrote:That strike zone fucking sucked for Paps. The MFY hitters though stayed off some very good pitches. So it's not like they were over-matched.
Sometimes that just happens.
My dream is to be behind the plate calling balls & strikes for a Sox vs NY game.
The strike zone varies so much when they play each other.
The deal is is an elite pitcher, like Jonathan "the self-proclaimed next Rivera" Pappelbon claims to be, could overcome it. This is his 8th fucking blown save. Not counting the ALCS against Tampa, and let's just fucking leave out his ALDS vs. LAAAAAAAAAAAA.
He needs to shut his fucking mouth and get the job done, because his BIG awaiting payday just shrunk a little bit after this season.
The ump WAS squeezing him, but shut up and overcome it.
He's been told he can't blow people away with the high FB anymore, and he needed to work his secondary pitches down. He did that, and got squeezed. I just can't recall too many "elite" pitchers crying about it afterwards, especially when they screwed.
killeverything wrote:The strike zone varies so much when they play each other.
The deal is is an elite pitcher, like Jonathan "the self-proclaimed next Rivera" Pappelbon claims to be, could overcome it. This is his 8th fucking blown save. Not counting the ALCS against Tampa, and let's just fucking leave out his ALDS vs. LAAAAAAAAAAAA.
He needs to shut his fucking mouth and get the job done, because his BIG awaiting payday just shrunk a little bit after this season.
The ump WAS squeezing him, but shut up and overcome it.
He's been told he can't blow people away with the high FB anymore, and he needed to work his secondary pitches down. He did that, and got squeezed. I just can't recall too many "elite" pitchers crying about it afterwards, especially when they screwed.
I don't want him as the closer anymore.
Papelbon may be a clown but he rarely says anything about the umps. 8 of those pitches that were called balls were strikes, and 5 of them weren't even borderline.
The strike zone shouldn't vary. Why should Papelbon's strikes be balls and Rivera's balls be strikes? Just call the game evenly. The team with the $200M+ payroll doesn't need any assistance from the umps.
Tampa only drew 12,446 fans for their game last night. Here is a team that is about to lock up a playoff spot and is in a dogfight for the division and nobody down there cares. What a shame.
SkyDog112046 wrote:Tampa only drew 12,446 fans for their game last night. Here is a team that is about to lock up a playoff spot and is in a dogfight for the division and nobody down there cares. What a shame.
Longoria called out the fans about it. Good for him. It blows my mind that a playoff contender can't draw flies for home games. Same with Atlanta. As much shit as I give Tawny about the Marlins, I hope they do great in their new stadium but I have serious doubts. It's not situation like the Pirates or the Royals where the team isn't competitive; there's no reason if you're a baseball fan not to support your local team, regardless of who you root for.
HeavyMetalZombie666 wrote:Of course your asshole is going to be sore when you volunteer for an asspounding and not set any boundaries at all.
SkyDog112046 wrote:Tampa only drew 12,446 fans for their game last night. Here is a team that is about to lock up a playoff spot and is in a dogfight for the division and nobody down there cares. What a shame.
SkyDog112046 wrote:Tampa only drew 12,446 fans for their game last night. Here is a team that is about to lock up a playoff spot and is in a dogfight for the division and nobody down there cares. What a shame.
just proves that city does not deserve a MLB team.
Who are the Favorites for the Fielding Bible and Gold Glove Awards?
September 27, 2010
With a week left in the regular season, let’s take a look at the leading contenders for baseball’s post-season defensive awards using Defensive Runs Saved as the key measure. This week we look at infielders and catchers. Next week we'll take a look at the outfield along with pitchers. (In the charts below, each player's Defensive Runs Saved appears next to his name).
Catcher- Three-time Fielding Bible Award winner Yadier Molina is currently tied with Rockies’ catcher Miguel Olivo with 15 Runs Saved, but they’re doing it in different ways. Yadier tops all catchers in Adjusted Earned Runs Saved for his ability to handle the Cardinals’ pitching staff, while Olivo ranks first in Stolen Base Runs Saved. The leading American League catcher is Jose Molina, despite having played about half of a season at catcher. Joe Mauer, last year’s AL Gold Glover, has zero Runs Saved this year, but the Gold Glove voters (managers and coaches) really like him. If voters want to vote for a regular, the best choice is probably A.J. Pierzynski, who has done a nice job defensively this year with the White Sox.
Favorite Other Contenders
Fielding Bible Award Yadier Molina (15) Miguel Olivo (15)
AL Gold Glove Jose Molina (6) AJ Pierzynski (5)
NL Gold Glove Yadier Molina (15) Miguel Olivo (15)
First Basemen- Athletics’ infielder Daric Barton had rated well in limited time before this year, but finally getting a chance to play everyday he’s taken it to another level with 20 Runs Saved so far this year. Another new face, Ike Davis of the Mets, ranks second despite beginning the year in the minors.
Favorite Other Contenders
Fielding Bible Award Daric Barton (20) Ike Davis (14)
AL Gold Glove Daric Barton (20) Justin Morneau (9) Lyle Overbay (8)
NL Gold Glove Ike Davis (14) Aubrey Huff (6) Todd Helton (5)
Second Basemen- 2006 Fielding Bible Award winner Orlando Hudson leads the keystone sack with 18 Runs Saved and is a key contributor to the Twins running away with the AL Central title. Part-timer Sean Rodriguez of the Rays and perennial Fielding Bible Award contender Chase Utley trail Hudson closely, with 17 and 13 Runs Saved, respectively.
Favorite Other Contenders
Fielding Bible Award Orlando Hudson (18) Sean Rodriguez (17) Chase Utley (13)
AL Gold Glove Orlando Hudson (18) Sean Rodriguez (17)
NL Gold Glove Chase Utley (13) Omar Infante (6)
Third Basemen- Ryan Zimmerman leads the hot corner with 20 Runs Saved and it looks like he’ll bring home his second straight Fielding Bible Award. Chase Headley returned to his natural position at third base and has excelled, also saving an estimated 20 runs for the defensively-sound Padres. There’s a nice battle for the AL Gold Glove between Jose Lopez, Evan Longoria and Adrian Beltre. While Lopez has the most Runs Saved, it’s more likely that Longoria or Beltre will win.
Favorite
Other Contenders
Fielding Bible Award Ryan Zimmerman (20)
Chase Headley (20)
AL Gold Glove Adrian Beltre (13) Jose Lopez (15) Evan Longoria (13)
NL Gold Glove Ryan Zimmerman (20) Chase Headley (20)
Shortstops- Brendan Ryan is in first place on the Runs Saved leaderboard for shortstops, topping his 20 Runs Saved season last year with 26 so far this year. Alexei Ramirez and Yunel Escobar trail Ryan with 18 and 17 respectively.
Favorite Other Contenders
Fielding Bible Award Brendan Ryan (26) Alexei Ramirez (18)Yunel Escobar (17)
AL Gold Glove Alexei Ramirez (18) Cliff Pennington (12)
NL Gold Glove Brendan Ryan (26) Troy Tulowitzki (15)
Next week we'll review the outfielders and pitchers
Machado wrote:Kill-
This past Sunday night Joe Morgan stated that Robinson Cano is the clear-cut Gold Glove winning 2nd baseman this season.
Clearly he can not be wrong.
This is Joe Morgan we are talking about. A HOF who also played 2nd base.
Robinson Cano is finally having his breakout season ( offensively ).
As for Morgan ( and this is what blows my mind ), is the guy is one of the stupidest human beings to ever be given a soundbite. Motherfucker makes Sarah Palin look only mildly retarded.
The irony is that Joe Morgan is arguably the greatest 2B of all-time.
Machado wrote:Kill-
This past Sunday night Joe Morgan stated that Robinson Cano is the clear-cut Gold Glove winning 2nd baseman this season.
Clearly he can not be wrong.
This is Joe Morgan we are talking about. A HOF who also played 2nd base.
Robinson Cano is finally having his breakout season ( offensively ).
As for Morgan ( and this is what blows my mind ), is the guy is one of the stupidest human beings to ever be given a soundbite. Motherfucker makes Sarah Palin look only mildly retarded.
The irony is that Joe Morgan is arguably the greatest 2B of all-time.
Joe Morgan is one of two reasons why I have a difficult time tolerating Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN(Miller is the other moron).
You're correct, Morgan is probaby the greatest 2B of all-time. If not, he's in the top 3.
