Bush's book - Decision Points

[JakeYonkel]

About 4-5 chapters in now - surprisingly good. I wasn't a huge Bush fan, but thought he got an unfair shake. He's a great storyteller. The book isn't really chronological, and it's not exactly an autobiography, but it works. It's like freaking $35 though which shocked me... should have done the Kindle thing for $10.

[Crazy Levi]

Christ Jake...didn't get a fair shake? Really?

Seems his shake was fairer than it should have been, by at least 4 years.

Regardless, I'm sure he's a great storyteller just like he's a great recovered alcoholic to have a beer with. He had no business being President of anything though.

[SeminiferousButtNoid]

I am interested in reading the book sometime but I can't imagine it exonerating the largest Presidential failcake since Johnson.

[SmokingGun]

Does he do a Blair and go into detail about sex with his wife?

[vlad]

Does he do a Blair and go into detail about sex with his wife?

Alrighty, I've tried to find the connection between the sex life of the Blairs and Laura Bush sitting with some Saudi women. I really did try...

[SmokingGun]

Does he do a Blair and go into detail about sex with his wife?

Alrighty, I've tried to find the connection between the sex life of the Blairs and Laura Bush sitting with some Saudi women. I really did try...

Blair's book details his sex life with his wife.
My question was does Bush's book detail his sex life with his wife? And then I posted a pic of his wife. With some culturally retarded (to the point of hilarity) women.

[Crazy Levi]

This is shaping up to be a pretty weak thread.

[Skate4RnR]

His eight years are ones I'll certainly never forget. Wow.

[dtmfs]

the guy was a terrible president but he was funny as fuck, his interviews have kicked ass too, does he know who kanye is or did he really just confuse him with conway twitty?? he did call him conway twice, he's dumber than shit.

[Luminiferous]

With some culturally retarded (to the point of hilarity) women.

Okay I'm confused. These women's beliefs are culturally retarded?

Weren't you the guy last week who was laughing at Obama being "snubbed" because of someone's religious belief?

This is the country we should all aspire to be like! LOL!!!~

# Minister embarrassed after handshake with Michelle Obama
# Refuses to touch women he's not related to
# Says he tried to prevent touching Michelle Obama

It doesn't get much funnier than this!! Obama is a laughing stock!!

So just to clear it up, these women's beliefs are only retarded because Obama didn't get laughed at then right?

[JakeYonkel]

This is shaping up to be a pretty weak thread.

Yeah, I mean I didn't think it was going to take off or anything, but it degenerated into "suck" pretty quickly.

[Goddamn Electric]

I wasn't a huge Bush fan, but thought he got an unfair shake.

I thought you were fucking retarded before, but with this line, you've gone full-on sped.

He's a great storyteller.

Yeah...like that whole "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction". Pure fucking fiction.

It's like freaking $35 though which shocked me... should have done the Kindle thing for $10.

Typical goddamn kike. Don't you have better things to do than posting your inane drivel...like begging your spic wife for a blowjob or something? Shoot yourself and make the world a better place.

[MasterOfMeatPuppets]

I wasn't a huge Bush fan, but thought he got an unfair shake.

I thought you were fucking retarded before, but with this line, you've gone full-on sped.

Started off good.

He's a great storyteller.

Yeah...like that whole "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction". Pure fucking fiction.

Way to keep up the momentum

It's like freaking $35 though which shocked me... should have done the Kindle thing for $10.

Typical goddamn kike. Don't you have better things to do than posting your inane drivel...like begging your spic wife for a blowjob or something? Shoot yourself and make the world a better place.

Nosedive straight into failure.

[EvilMadman]

I wasn't a huge Bush fan, but thought he got an unfair shake.

I thought you were fucking retarded before, but with this line, you've gone full-on sped.

He's a great storyteller.

Yeah...like that whole "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction". Pure fucking fiction.

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement ... isted-iraq

It's like freaking $35 though which shocked me... should have done the Kindle thing for $10.

Typical goddamn kike. Don't you have better things to do than posting your inane drivel...like begging your spic wife for a blowjob or something? Shoot yourself and make the world a better place.

[SeminiferousButtNoid]

I wasn't a huge Bush fan, but thought he got an unfair shake.

I thought you were fucking retarded before, but with this line, you've gone full-on sped.

He's a great storyteller.

Yeah...like that whole "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction". Pure fucking fiction.

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement ... isted-iraq

That didn't prove anything. Everybody and their grandmother knew that Saddam had a chemical weapons program because he used them on the Kurds and during the Iraq-Iran war. There are Third World countries in Africa and South America that have chemical weapons programs. The Bush administration made the case that the Iraqis had a massive weapons stockpile of biological and nuclear weapons, which was and continues to be bullshit.

That's like a cop claiming somebody is a drug kingpin, that they have 10 kilos of heroin in the trunk and only finding an ounce of shwag and going, "Look! Look! I told you so!"

[absolutely fabulous]

actually, sadaam was told repeatedly (why?? fucking nato) that we wanted to investigate and he kept pushing it off all the while bloviating that he did have weapons!
how long did it take nato to go in? a hell of a lot of time to move shit.

my stand after 911 was sadaam was a threat, he bragged about being one and he had to be dealt with even though he whined he wasn't part of refuging terrorists. did he not say he had weapons of mass destruction after 911? hell no. he just wanted to deny any ties to the 911 attacks.
he was a threat in the past, he was during that time and if he were alive, he'd be one now, and harboring terrorists.

i'm glad that wikileaks reveals something..
nobody remembers that nato and congress were on board that sadaam was a threat .

[lerxstcat]

Yeah...like that whole "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction". Pure fucking fiction.

Considering that WE sold them to him under Reagan to gas the Iranians, it was reasonable to believe that he still had some nerve gas - again, since WE sold the shit to him abd taught him how to make more. We didn't expect him to gas the Kurds too, but he did it.

[tin00can]

i'm glad that wikileaks reveals something..
nobody remembers that nato and congress were on board that sadaam was a threat .

No, we remember. We just didn't fall for it like those dumbasses did.

[johnk5150]

This is shaping up to be a pretty weak thread.

Yeah, I mean I didn't think it was going to take off or anything, but it degenerated into "suck" pretty quickly.

How many times does the clause, "and then Cheney to me to..." appear in the book?

[SmokingGun]

With some culturally retarded (to the point of hilarity) women.

Okay I'm confused. These women's beliefs are culturally retarded?

Yes. Being pressured to conform to the point where they have to dress up like albino beekeepers is retarded. They say it's their choice.. yeah, because the other choice is being beaten up by their husbands, which the Koran commands them to.

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..."

Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

If you need more quotes from Islam about wife-beating, let me know ok?

Weren't you the guy last week who was laughing at Obama being "snubbed" because of someone's religious belief?

Yes, most certainly!

This is the country we should all aspire to be like! LOL!!!~

# Minister embarrassed after handshake with Michelle Obama
# Refuses to touch women he's not related to
# Says he tried to prevent touching Michelle Obama

It doesn't get much funnier than this!! Obama is a laughing stock!!

So just to clear it up, these women's beliefs are only retarded because Obama didn't get laughed at then right?

Dude you are owning yourself here! I laughed at the irony of Obama calling upon the world to look at Indonesia as an example, after which a senior minister tweeted that he had 'accidentally' touched her and that he was 'embarrassed'. The world should be more like that. Uh-uh. Really, should it? I say no, I say we are better than they are. Culturally and ethically. What do you think? Should we follow the example of Indonesia?

The culture of Islamic countries is retarded. Not as in 'Bret Michaels is retarded' but rather the literal meaning of the word. Woefully out of touch with superior cultures such as our own. If one of our ministers doesn't want to catch girls germs from a foreign dignitary and tweets about it.. he's out on his ass and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would stand up for such discrimination.

Muslims are of an inferior culture. The west is superior to them. The sooner you accept it, the better. Or would you like to end up like the UK or France? The Muslims have really made those countries better, haven't they? And the Netherlands too. If the west wasn't superior, why are millions of potential migrants trying to get in?

The nice western governments the world over are still following the Christian example and 'giving to the poor', ie the lazy, violent, useless wife-beating, welfare-leeching Muslims. Why do you think that virtually no country in the world that isn't 'western' has an open immigration policy? They only let in the cream of the crop. The rest are allowed to stay, but only if they make themselves useful, otherwise their working visa is canceled. That's how it should be. Let them in, if they contribute and integrate, I'm all for it. Once they start demanding shit, like us changing to suit them.. bye bye!

To show you just how nice the west is compared to the rest of the world, Koreans born in Japan by parents who have lived there for decades are still denied proper Japanese passports and citizenship. They are not considered proper 'Japanese'. So why isn't the UN on them calling them 'racist' and writing angry letters? If a western country did that... instant calls for sanctions from angry bleeding hearts worldwide. Personally I think Japan's policy is too evil, but ours is too nice.

The west is culturally and ethically superior. And ultimately, that will be it's downfall. We're too damn nice and giving to the rest of the world, practically giving out citizenship in cereal boxes and taxing the locals to pay for the migrants. We expect that they will return the sentiment. They haven't, and they won't. Ever.

[EvilMadman]

i'm glad that wikileaks reveals something..
nobody remembers that nato and congress were on board that sadaam was a threat .

No, we remember. We just didn't fall for it like those dumbasses did.

By "We", I can only assume that you mean Democrats? Well...

"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for." -Bill Clinton on Larry King Live July, 2003

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Saddam's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

[MasterOfMeatPuppets]

The west is culturally and ethically superior. And ultimately, that will be it's downfall. We're too damn nice and giving to the rest of the world, practically giving out citizenship in cereal boxes and taxing the locals to pay for the migrants. We expect that they will return the sentiment. They haven't, and they won't. Ever.

Our culture is so superior that it will fail? WTF?!?!?!?!

[lerxstcat]

the guy was a terrible president but he was funny as fuck, his interviews have kicked ass too, does he know who kanye is or did he really just confuse him with conway twitty?? he did call him conway twice, he's dumber than shit.

It is a Southern affectation to do that, basically to call someone by another name, you say that THAT name is valid and worth remembering (Conway) wheras the other (Kanye) is not. It's kind of a subversive way of saying "Fuck you, bitch, your name isn't even worth remembering".

Of course I can't speak for Bush, but I know a lot of Southern people who do the same thing.

[MasterOfMeatPuppets]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/2 ... 86219.html

The Two Most Essential, Abhorrent, Intolerable Lies Of George W. Bush's Memoir

WASHINGTON -- These days, when we think of George W. Bush, we think mostly of what a horrible mess he made of the economy. But his even more tragic legacy is the loss of our moral authority, and the transformation of the United States of America from global champion of human rights into an outlaw nation.

History is likely to judge Bush most harshly for two things in particular: Launching a war against a country that had not attacked us, and approving the use of cruel and inhumane interrogation techniques.

And that's why the two most essential lies -- among the many -- in his new memoir are that he had a legitimate reason to invade Iraq, and that he had a legitimate reason to torture detainees.

Neither is remotely true. But Bush must figure that if he keeps making the case for himself -- particularly if it goes largely unrebutted by the traditional media, as it has thus far -- then perhaps he can blunt history's verdict.

[SmokingGun]

The west is culturally and ethically superior. And ultimately, that will be it's downfall. We're too damn nice and giving to the rest of the world, practically giving out citizenship in cereal boxes and taxing the locals to pay for the migrants. We expect that they will return the sentiment. They haven't, and they won't. Ever.

Our culture is so superior that it will fail? WTF?!?!?!?!

The very qualities that made western culture superior, ie altruism, treating 'outsiders' as equals, a welfare blanket for the poor etc are the very things that are causing the downward spiral the west has been following for the past decade.

Why? Because the people and countries/cultures that do not share these qualities are taking advantage of the west (especially Europe) and bleeding it dry, while they and their counties continue to follow the protectionist policies they always have.

We continue to give: welfare; sovereignty so we don't look racist (esp in the EU); special treatment, promotion and funding for multiculturalism and minority groups; countless billions spent on housing and feeding immigrants; living space; clean air; countless billions of tax dollars spent on foreign aid to name but a few, while they continue to ask for more and demand we change (to our disadvantage) to suit their wishes. Ie opening borders, amnesty for illegals, quotas to get successful people discriminated against and replaced by people who are less qualified, the introduction of Sharia banking, then other elements of Sharia law etc. Doing these things makes a country weaker, dumber and less cohesive.

[MasterOfMeatPuppets]

The west is culturally and ethically superior. And ultimately, that will be it's downfall. We're too damn nice and giving to the rest of the world, practically giving out citizenship in cereal boxes and taxing the locals to pay for the migrants. We expect that they will return the sentiment. They haven't, and they won't. Ever.

Our culture is so superior that it will fail? WTF?!?!?!?!

The very qualities that made western culture superior, ie altruism, treating 'outsiders' as equals, a welfare blanket for the poor etc are the very things that are causing the downward spiral the west has been following for the past decade.

Why? Because the people and countries/cultures that do not share these qualities are taking advantage of the west (especially Europe) and bleeding it dry, while they and their counties continue to follow the protectionist policies they always have.

We continue to give: welfare; sovereignty so we don't look racist (esp in the EU); special treatment, promotion and funding for multiculturalism and minority groups; countless billions spent on housing and feeding immigrants; living space; clean air; countless billions of tax dollars spent on foreign aid to name but a few, while they continue to ask for more and demand we change (to our disadvantage) to suit their wishes. Ie opening borders, amnesty for illegals, quotas to get successful people discriminated against and replaced by people who are less qualified, the introduction of Sharia banking, then other elements of Sharia law etc. Doing these things makes a country weaker, dumber and less cohesive.

The qualities which make make us 'superior' make us weak and dumb? Wouldn't that make us the inferior culture?

[SmokingGun]

The west is culturally and ethically superior. And ultimately, that will be it's downfall. We're too damn nice and giving to the rest of the world, practically giving out citizenship in cereal boxes and taxing the locals to pay for the migrants. We expect that they will return the sentiment. They haven't, and they won't. Ever.

The very qualities that made western culture superior, ie altruism, treating 'outsiders' as equals, a welfare blanket for the poor etc are the very things that are causing the downward spiral the west has been following for the past decade.

Why? Because the people and countries/cultures that do not share these qualities are taking advantage of the west (especially Europe) and bleeding it dry, while they and their counties continue to follow the protectionist policies they always have.

We continue to give: welfare; sovereignty so we don't look racist (esp in the EU); special treatment, promotion and funding for multiculturalism and minority groups; countless billions spent on housing and feeding immigrants; living space; clean air; countless billions of tax dollars spent on foreign aid to name but a few, while they continue to ask for more and demand we change (to our disadvantage) to suit their wishes. Ie opening borders, amnesty for illegals, quotas to get successful people discriminated against and replaced by people who are less qualified, the introduction of Sharia banking, then other elements of Sharia law etc. Doing these things makes a country weaker, dumber and less cohesive.

The qualities which make make us 'superior' make us weak and dumb? Wouldn't that make us the inferior culture?

I said:

The west is culturally and ethically superior. And ultimately, that will be it's downfall.

Being culturally and ethically/morally superior does not make a country stronger, as you can see in the case of the western world. The leeching inferior cultures, which due to our egalitarian nature we put on the same level as ourselves, pull us down.

It's like an intellectually and morally superior group of students feeling sorry for the retards, and putting them in the same class as themselves to try and help the retards. Time and money will be spent on the retards, and the smart students' progress will be impeded. Morally, the intellectual students are doing something good and virtuous, even though it will hurt them in the long run. The intelligent students are still intelligent, but they are gradually getting dumber due to less time and money spent on their education. But they willingly sacrifice their own gains to try and help the people who are not so fortunate. Exactly the same as the western world does, except in their case the inferior cultures are inferior not by birth, but because they haven't gotten their shit together and choose to live like it's the 1500's. Or because they can't stop fighting other countries/tribes/sects/groups long enough to get some work done on improving their lives.

A country being ethically, morally and culturally superior does not mean they prioritize the survival of their culture. In fact, often the opposite is true, and due to their good nature, they feel guilty about the success they and their forefathers worked and fought so hard for. They see the retarded cultures as they wallow in their own filth, feel sorry for them and want to help them. Said retards then bite the hand that feeds.

[cantstopthemusic]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/2 ... 86219.html

The Two Most Essential, Abhorrent, Intolerable Lies Of George W. Bush's Memoir

WASHINGTON -- These days, when we think of George W. Bush, we think mostly of what a horrible mess he made of the economy. But his even more tragic legacy is the loss of our moral authority, and the transformation of the United States of America from global champion of human rights into an outlaw nation.

History is likely to judge Bush most harshly for two things in particular: Launching a war against a country that had not attacked us, and approving the use of cruel and inhumane interrogation techniques.

And that's why the two most essential lies -- among the many -- in his new memoir are that he had a legitimate reason to invade Iraq, and that he had a legitimate reason to torture detainees.

Neither is remotely true. But Bush must figure that if he keeps making the case for himself -- particularly if it goes largely unrebutted by the traditional media, as it has thus far -- then perhaps he can blunt history's verdict.

Yeah, I guess nothing at all was gained from KSM spilling his guts, especially.

[MurrayFiend]

"Vince Neil, skating? I gotta check that shit out!"

[MasterOfMeatPuppets]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/2 ... 86219.html

The Two Most Essential, Abhorrent, Intolerable Lies Of George W. Bush's Memoir

WASHINGTON -- These days, when we think of George W. Bush, we think mostly of what a horrible mess he made of the economy. But his even more tragic legacy is the loss of our moral authority, and the transformation of the United States of America from global champion of human rights into an outlaw nation.

History is likely to judge Bush most harshly for two things in particular: Launching a war against a country that had not attacked us, and approving the use of cruel and inhumane interrogation techniques.

And that's why the two most essential lies -- among the many -- in his new memoir are that he had a legitimate reason to invade Iraq, and that he had a legitimate reason to torture detainees.

Neither is remotely true. But Bush must figure that if he keeps making the case for himself -- particularly if it goes largely unrebutted by the traditional media, as it has thus far -- then perhaps he can blunt history's verdict.

Yeah, I guess nothing at all was gained from KSM spilling his guts, especially.

And then there was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, who the CIA asphyxiated 183 times after Bush so enthusiastically approved his waterboarding. Bush writes:

He disclosed plans to attack American targets with anthrax and directed us to three people involved in the al Qaeda biological weapons program. .He provided information that led to the capture of Hambali, the chief of al Qaeda's most dangerous affiliate in Southeast Asia and the architect of the Bali terrorist attacks that killed 202 people. He provided further details that led agents to Hambali's brother, who had been grooming operatives to carry out another attack inside the United States, possibly a West Coast version of 9/11 in which terrorist flew a hijacked plane into the Library Tower in Los Angeles.

There seems to be little doubt that KSM provided intelligence of some value (along with a number of false confessions) -- although he might have done likewise (minus the false confessions) in the hands of a skilled interrogator using traditional methods.

But despite the lengths that the Bush White House, intelligence officials and various torture apologists have gone to over the past several years to help Bush make his case, there remains not the tiniest shred of evidence to support his assertion that KSM's torture -- or any other -- actually saved a single life.

As far as we know, none of the alleged plots that were allegedly disrupted was anything more than a fantasy. There is no evidence they presented an actual danger. There is not a single saved life they can point to. If they could, they would have.

Nothing that we wouldn't have gotten without whoring out our values and ethics.